Morgan Dana Harrington VTech student missing

[SaraSidle]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/virginia-te...ry?id=8872201#

Morgan Dana Harrington missing after Concert.

[SaraSidle]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/cri...oed.vanish.cnn

Video from CNN

[SuzDuJour]

Hi Sara,

I can only think of two things that would take a girl out of the concert she was waiting 6 months to see -to meet a guy or to buy drugs. Because the battery was taken out of her cell phone, I'm going to guess that the person who took it out had maybe called her and was trying to erase that call?

It's really odd that one of her friends didn't go to the restroom with her and that they didn't report her missing when she didn't return or answer her phone.

Also, isn't this the area where a couple, 2 college kids, were shot recently as well?

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by SuzDuJour

Hi Sara,

I can only think of two things that would take a girl out of the concert she was waiting 6 months to see -to meet a guy or to buy drugs. Because the battery was taken out of her cell phone, I'm going to guess that the person who took it out had maybe called her and was trying to erase that call?

It's really odd that one of her friends didn't go to the restroom with her and that they didn't report her missing when she didn't return or answer her phone.

Also, isn't this the area where a couple, 2 college kids, were shot recently as well?

hey Suz.......wrapped up in the Somer case in my mind. And I am thinking another guy Killed about 32 students. I will check

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2693354.shtml

[SuzDuJour]

Yes, VA Tech - Morgan is a student at VA Tech. - the concert in Charlottesville was about 2 hours away.

This was in August

Two Virginia Tech students were found shot to death at a forest campground that is a popular campus hangout, and police have "several persons of interest" but haven't yet identified a suspect or revealed a motive. The bodies of David Lee Metzler, 19, of Lynchburg and Heidi Lynn Childs, 18, of Forest were discovered early Thursday by a passerby at Jefferson National Forest, Montgomery County Sheriff's Lt. Brian Wright said. Both had been shot. Wright said Metzler's body was found inside a car in the parking area of the Caldwell Fields campground, and Childs was found outside the car. The campground is about 15 miles from Virginia Tech's campus in Blacksburg. Authorities have “several persons of interest” but have yet to name a suspect, according to the Lynchburg News & Advance. Police believe the most recent crime may be random, according to the Norfolk Crime Examiner. "We are going to step up our patrols in that area even though we think it was a random act of brutal violence," the Examiner quoted Montgomery County Sheriff Tommy Whitt as saying.

The latest killings are hitting a campus still reeling from the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history and the gruesome beheading of a student earlier this year. Metzler was a sophomore industrial and systems engineering major, and Childs was a sophomore biochemistry major. Childs' father is a Virginia state trooper, according to the Examiner.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by SuzDuJour

Yes, VA Tech - Morgan is a student at VA Tech. - the concert in Charlottesville was about 2 hours away.

This was in August

Two Virginia Tech students were found shot to death at a forest campground that is a popular campus hangout, and police have "several persons of interest" but haven't yet identified a suspect or revealed a motive. The bodies of David Lee Metzler, 19, of Lynchburg and Heidi Lynn Childs, 18, of Forest were discovered early Thursday by a passerby at Jefferson National Forest, Montgomery County Sheriff's Lt. Brian Wright said. Both had been shot. Wright said Metzler's body was found inside a car in the parking area of the Caldwell Fields campground, and Childs was found outside the car. The campground is about 15 miles from Virginia Tech's campus in Blacksburg. Authorities have “several persons of interest” but have yet to name a suspect, according to the Lynchburg News & Advance. Police believe the most recent crime may be random, according to the Norfolk Crime Examiner. "We are going to step up our patrols in that area even though we think it was a random act of brutal violence," the Examiner quoted Montgomery County Sheriff Tommy Whitt as saying.

The latest killings are hitting a campus still reeling from the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history and the gruesome beheading of a student earlier this year. Metzler was a sophomore industrial and systems engineering major, and Childs was a sophomore biochemistry major. Childs' father is a Virginia state trooper, according to the Examiner.

duh. It is coming back to me now thank you. Do you think that it is related?

[SuzDuJour]

I honestly couldn't say, but I'm very familiar with the area - my son lives in Roanoke, and it's a quiet, peaceful area in general. Hopefully, she's okay and if not, hopefully there will be some forensics that will give us answers.

[SuzDuJour]

I think she probably got a call on her cell phone that took her out of the arena and hopefully they'll be able to track it in some way. The only other thing I can think of is that someone accosted her as she left the restroom and forced her into the parking lot. But with so many people around, I can't imagine she wouldn't have been able to signal someone in some way.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by SuzDuJour

I think she probably got a call on her cell phone that took her out of the arena and hopefully they'll be able to track it in some way. The only other thing I can think of is that someone accosted her as she left the restroom and forced her into the parking lot. But with so many people around, I can't imagine she wouldn't have been able to signal someone in some way.

I was thinking maybe he implied he had a weapon with your second scenario.
I wonder if they can find anything on the cell phone without the battery. I am guessing they can with a new battery. I know it has been said she contacted her friends from outside to let them know where she was. I cannot remember what the link was though. IMO

[SuzDuJour]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

I know it has been said she contacted her friends from outside to let them know where she was. I cannot remember what the link was though. IMO

This was said on NG last night, too, Sara. Which makes me think she intentionally left the arena. Again, drugs or to meet a guy are the only reasons I can come up with!

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by SuzDuJour

This was said on NG last night, too, Sara. Which makes me think she intentionally left the arena. Again, drugs or to meet a guy are the only reasons I can come up with!

I keep thinking it is a guy she pre-arranged with. Like someone she met on the internet. Not sure if she wanted to miss the concert though.....

[Jadedblueeyes]

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11881412

Posted: Jan 26, 2010 10:09 AM EST
Updated: Jan 26, 2010 1:08 PM EST
Featured Videos
Body Found In Albemarle County

Anchorage FarmVirginia State Police confirm that a partially skeletonized body has been found on an Albemarle County farm and that forensic teams are on the scene. Police have blocked off access to Anchorage Farm off of Route 29 in southern Albemarle County.

State Police crime scene technicians arrived at Anchorage Farm and are searching for evidence using a grid mapping technique.

NBC29 has been told unofficially that the body appears to be that of a young woman with long blonde hair.

Albemarle County Commonwealth's Attorney Denise Lunsford has also arrived at the crime scene as has the lead Virginia State Police investigator in the Morgan Harrington case, Lt. Joe Rader.

Dan Harrington tells NBC29 he and his wife Gil are on their way to Albemarle County to identify the body found this morning and says it is likely their daughter Morgan, who went missing 101 days ago in Charlottesville

Count on us to bring you all the latest updates as they become available in this developing story.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Jadedblueeyes

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11881412

Posted: Jan 26, 2010 10:09 AM EST
Updated: Jan 26, 2010 1:08 PM EST
Featured Videos
Body Found In Albemarle County

Anchorage FarmVirginia State Police confirm that a partially skeletonized body has been found on an Albemarle County farm and that forensic teams are on the scene. Police have blocked off access to Anchorage Farm off of Route 29 in southern Albemarle County.

State Police crime scene technicians arrived at Anchorage Farm and are searching for evidence using a grid mapping technique.

NBC29 has been told unofficially that the body appears to be that of a young woman with long blonde hair.

Albemarle County Commonwealth's Attorney Denise Lunsford has also arrived at the crime scene as has the lead Virginia State Police investigator in the Morgan Harrington case, Lt. Joe Rader.

Dan Harrington tells NBC29 he and his wife Gil are on their way to Albemarle County to identify the body found this morning and says it is likely their daughter Morgan, who went missing 101 days ago in Charlottesville

Count on us to bring you all the latest updates as they become available in this developing story.

Thank you so much for the update.
So sad

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Jadedblueeyes

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11881412

Posted: Jan 26, 2010 10:09 AM EST
Updated: Jan 26, 2010 1:08 PM EST
Featured Videos
Body Found In Albemarle County

Anchorage FarmVirginia State Police confirm that a partially skeletonized body has been found on an Albemarle County farm and that forensic teams are on the scene. Police have blocked off access to Anchorage Farm off of Route 29 in southern Albemarle County.

State Police crime scene technicians arrived at Anchorage Farm and are searching for evidence using a grid mapping technique.

NBC29 has been told unofficially that the body appears to be that of a young woman with long blonde hair.

Albemarle County Commonwealth's Attorney Denise Lunsford has also arrived at the crime scene as has the lead Virginia State Police investigator in the Morgan Harrington case, Lt. Joe Rader.

Dan Harrington tells NBC29 he and his wife Gil are on their way to Albemarle County to identify the body found this morning and says it is likely their daughter Morgan, who went missing 101 days ago in Charlottesville

Count on us to bring you all the latest updates as they become available in this developing story.

Probably going to be very difficult to find COD imo

[BeastofBears]

Its cold comfort, but I'm glad she was found.

[JLette]

its a sad day when a 4 year old sees a picture on the news and automatically says

"mommy, that girl is lost! why is all those people lost?"

he understands way too much i think, when i was little i never paid attention to the news when it was on, he really watches and takes it in, obviously this stuff happens way too often if even he sees it.

it IS a cold comfort but at least her parents will be able to bury her now and hopefully begin to heal

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Probably going to be very difficult to find COD imo

I imagine you are right Sara. Unless she was bludgeoned or shot. Somehow I don't believe she died there but was taken there after she was murdered. I believe the best evidence they could have had will be degraded due to the environment she was in. I am sure he took her and raped her before he killed her.

Maybe if he strangled her then her hyoid bone may show a fracture.

It is so sad to see all of these cases day in and day out.

My heart goes out to the Harrington family. I cannot fathom their pain tonight. It is so final now with all hope gone.

imo

[lorettalockhorn]

Police 'fairly certain' remains are student missing from Metallica concert

(CNN) -- Police tentatively identified remains found on a remote farm as the Virginia Tech student who disappeared in October during a Metallica concert.

Morgan Harrington, a 20-year-old education major, went to the concert at the University of Virginia's John Paul Jones Arena in Charlottesville, Virginia, on October 17. She was separated from her friends and was the subject of repeated searches.

Police said skeletal remains were found after 9:30 a.m. Tuesday by a farmer driving a tractor through a hay field on his 700-acre farm. The area has no public access point, police said.

The farm is about 10 miles from where the concert was being held.

The farm's owner, David Dass, told CNN affiliate WTVR that he was out looking for damage after wind and rain knocked down several trees in his yard over the past week. He told WTVR that the area is at least a mile and a half from a main roadway.

"I looked down and saw what looked like a human skull, and my first thought was that it was Morgan Harrington," Dass told WTVR, adding that he immediately called 911.

WTVR: State police 'confident' remains are Harrington

There was significant evidence leading police to believe that the remains are Harrington's, Virginia State Police Col. W. Steven Flaherty said, though he declined to specify what the evidence was.

Police said the area where the remains were found had not been searched during the early stages of the investigation into her disappearance.

The girl's parents, Dan and Gil Harrington, were in town to identify the remains, WTVR reported.

Dan Harrington, in tears, told WTVR that "this is a horrible day" for his family.

Gil Harrington expressed concerns Saturday that there was beginning to be complacency in the search, she wrote in a blog on the Web site set up to help find their daughter.

On Sunday, more than three months after Morgan went missing, Gil Harrington still clung to hope.

"Despite the length of time Morgan has been gone I remain hopeful," she wrote. "Part of me is waiting to be surprised. Waiting for God to pull the rabbit out of the hat and bring Morgan home.

"I remember that the light always returns, it cannot help but return. Will the light of my life return soon? I cannot imagine that all the water of Morgan's potential is to run down the drain and be wasted. Can it really play out like that?"

Now, it appears, the Harringtons finally have their answer. Police say they have now switched their focus to finding out how Morgan Harrington ended up in the remote farm and who put her there.

During the concert, Harrington left her friends to use the restroom, police said. When she did not return, they called her cell phone at 8:48 p.m. She told them she was outside the arena and could not get back in because of its policy, Geller said, but told them not to worry about her and that she would find a ride home.

There are restrooms inside the arena, Geller said, and police do not know how or why Harrington got outside. Witnesses who saw her outside the arena said she did not appear to be with anyone, Geller said.

About 9:30 p.m. that night, witnesses reported seeing a person matching Harrington's description walking on a nearby bridge, Geller said. No further sightings were reported.

Harrington's purse, with her identification and cell phone inside, was found the following day in an overflow parking lot near the arena, Geller said. A friend had driven Harrington's car to the concert, she said, and was still in possession of the car keys when they got separated.

Harrington was reported missing the day after the concert, when she did not show up at her parents' home to study for a math exam with her father.

Working with police and the Texas-based Laura Recovery Center, the Harringtons organized community searches, saying they would not give up hope that their daughter would be found.

A $150,000 reward has been offered for information leading to Harrington's whereabouts, Geller said. Of that, Metallica contributed $50,000.

The couple was joined at a news conference after her disappearance by Ed Smart, whose daughter Elizabeth was abducted in 2002. She returned home nine months later, after police say they found her in the custody of Brian David Mitchell and his wife, Wanda Barzee.

Harrington said he reached out to Smart last week to seek advice on how to go through the disappearance of a child.

Harrington was wearing a black Pantera T-shirt, a black miniskirt, black tights and black boots when last seen.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/26/...ngton.remains/

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Jadedblueeyes

I imagine you are right Sara. Unless she was bludgeoned or shot. Somehow I don't believe she died there but was taken there after she was murdered. I believe the best evidence they could have had will be degraded due to the environment she was in. I am sure he took her and raped her before he killed her.

Maybe if he strangled her then her hyoid bone may show a fracture.

It is so sad to see all of these cases day in and day out.

My heart goes out to the Harrington family. I cannot fathom their pain tonight. It is so final now with all hope gone.

imo

I totally agree with you. I so keep hoping some will be found alive but it is so unusual. Women and children are being abused, murdered and dumped.
I have no concept of how the Harringtons or any families feel..IMO

[POE-33]

I feel sad for the family.

I figured all along that she was abducted and murdered.

If my memory is correct, LE found her purse and cell phone in the parking lot of the Arena. That leads me to believe that all of the reports of sightings were mistaken identity. In a college town like Charlottesville, their are a thousand young women with long blonde hair, wearing dark clothes, walking around.

I think that either she had prearranged to meet sombody there or somebody lured her out of the building. She was probably forced or lured into an auto and then taken somewhere and raped and murdered.

It's odd that her body was found so far away from the road.
However, when the ground was dry, somebody could have driven a 4-wheel drive vehicle across the pasture.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by POE-33

I feel sad for the family.

I figured all along that she was abducted and murdered.

If my memory is correct, LE found her purse and cell phone in the parking lot of the Arena. That leads me to believe that all of the reports of sightings were mistaken identity. In a college town like Charlottesville, their are a thousand young women with long blonde hair, wearing dark clothes, walking around.

I think that either she had prearranged to meet sombody there or somebody lured her out of the building. She was probably forced or lured into an auto and then taken somewhere and raped and murdered.

It's odd that her body was found so far away from the road.
However, when the ground was dry, somebody could have driven a 4-wheel drive vehicle across the pasture.

You know POE I was thinking the same thing. I wonder what the weather was that night. Prob happened that night. Either that or connection to farm owner but definitely someone who knew the area..........IMO

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by POE-33

I feel sad for the family.

I figured all along that she was abducted and murdered.

If my memory is correct, LE found her purse and cell phone in the parking lot of the Arena. That leads me to believe that all of the reports of sightings were mistaken identity. In a college town like Charlottesville, their are a thousand young women with long blonde hair, wearing dark clothes, walking around.

I think that either she had prearranged to meet somebody there or somebody lured her out of the building. She was probably forced or lured into an auto and then taken somewhere and raped and murdered.

It's odd that her body was found so far away from the road.
However, when the ground was dry, somebody could have driven a 4-wheel drive vehicle across the pasture.

The landowner did mention that barbed wire fencing was around the place where she was found and could only be accessed with a 4x4, tractor or a SUV.

I think it is someone from around the area she was found. I think they took her to a place they knew she wouldn't be found for awhile.

imo

[Sherlock]

Originally Posted by BeastofBears

Its cold comfort, but I'm glad she was found.

So true....closure...peace at least the family knows she is safe now. I always say the not knowing would be worse I think.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Sherlock

So true....closure...peace at least the family knows she is safe now. I always say the not knowing would be worse I think.

I truly believe that closure is the best no matter what. All part of the grieving process. IMO

[Sherlock]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

I truly believe that closure is the best no matter what. All part of the grieving process. IMO

I always felt badly, if infact it was portrayed correctly in The Changling, that the mother never really knew what happened to her boy and carried that doubt with her for her entire life. It would be a mixture of hope, fear, and unsettling curiosity...but no peace.

[POE-33]

Originally Posted by Jadedblueeyes

The landowner did mention that barbed wire fencing was around the place where she was found and could only be accessed with a 4x4, tractor or a SUV.

I think it is someone from around the area she was found. I think they took her to a place they knew she wouldn't be found for awhile.

imo

This is really puzzling.
I live in Virginia and I've driven thru that area many times.
Rte. 29 is a four lane highway that runs North/South from Northern Virginia all the way to Atlanta, Ga.

Somebody who didn't live in the area and was looking for a side road to dump a body would easily spot Anchorage Farm Road. However, if it was somebody who wasn't from the area, they wouldn't go to all the trouble to drive by the farmer's house and across a field. They would just drag the body about 50 ft. off the road and keep going. Anchorage Farm Road is a dead-end road that only runs up to the farmer's house.

If, the killer isn't from the Charlottesville area, this crime may never be solved.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by POE-33

This is really puzzling.
I live in Virginia and I've driven thru that area many times.
Rte. 29 is a four lane highway that runs North/South from Northern Virginia all the way to Atlanta, Ga.

Somebody who didn't live in the area and was looking for a side road to dump a body would easily spot Anchorage Farm Road. However, if it was somebody who wasn't from the area, they wouldn't go to all the trouble to drive by the farmer's house and across a field. They would just drag the body about 50 ft. off the road and keep going. Anchorage Farm Road is a dead-end road that only runs up to the farmer's house.

If, the killer isn't from the Charlottesville area, this crime may never be solved.

But it could be also. You are giving the poi (whoever it is) a lot of credit.
Maybe someone who knows the homeowner in some way? Maybe her friends picked her up on the way home? what was the weather there that night?

[POE-33]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

But it could be also. You are giving the poi (whoever it is) a lot of credit.
Maybe someone who knows the homeowner in some way? Maybe her friends picked her up on the way home? what was the weather there that night?

I don't remember what the weather was that day.
If my memory is correct, it was a sunny mild week. I don't recall the news reports mentioning anything about rain.
I think the concert was in October.
October is usually mild in Virginia. Temps are usually in the 55 - 70 range.
We get a few rainy days in Oct. but rarely a heavy soaking rain.
The ground probably wasn't soft.

I agree with you that it looks like the perp was familiar with farm.
Someone who wasn't familiar with the farm wouldn't know whether the farmer was home or not. That leads me to think that the body wasn't dumped there the same night that she disappeared. If the farmer was home at night, he would hear a vehicle driving by his house. Also, a stranger to the area might be reluctant to drive thru a strange field in the dark.
The killer wouldn't necessarily be a friend of the farmer. He could be somebody who once lived nearby or who worked for a construction company that did a job nearby.

My guess is the killer dumped her body there several days or maybe even weeks after she was abducted.

What really has me curious is why did Morgan leave the building.

[SaraSidle]

that one is easy. she was probably somewhat inebriated and went outside to smoke not realizing she could not get back in even if she was stamped or had a stub. and/or she ran into someone else she knows and smoked with them. they were happy to give her a ride so she told her friends not to worry.
or friends found her and something happened.............I think it happened that night and she was dumped that night and either it was far enough for the homeowner not to hear or someone knew the homeowner would not be home........

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

that one is easy. she was probably somewhat inebriated and went outside to smoke not realizing she could not get back in even if she was stamped or had a stub. and/or she ran into someone else she knows and smoked with them. they were happy to give her a ride so she told her friends not to worry.
or friends found her and something happened.............I think it happened that night and she was dumped that night and either it was far enough for the homeowner not to hear or someone knew the homeowner would not be home........

I think so too Sara.

I think she was taken..then raped, murdered and dumped all in a few hours from when she went missing.

I think whomever this was came onto the farm at night. Vehicles today run very quietly. People are sleeping.

We have a very large farm right across the road from us. I have never been on the farm but am very familiar with it and would know how to access it if I desired to do so.

imo

[POE-33]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

that one is easy. she was probably somewhat inebriated and went outside to smoke not realizing she could not get back in even if she was stamped or had a stub. and/or she ran into someone else she knows and smoked with them. they were happy to give her a ride so she told her friends not to worry.
or friends found her and something happened.............I think it happened that night and she was dumped that night and either it was far enough for the homeowner not to hear or someone knew the homeowner would not be home........

I had forgotten many of the details of the initial news reports.
I checked the Charlottesville Daily Progress website.
The date of the concert was October 17.

According to the article, Morgan had been drinking that night.
I don't remember hearing that before, but that explains her actions.
You might be right that she went outside to smoke.
I think that she was abducted at the arena because why else would she leave her purse and cell phone in the arena parking lot. Even drinking, she wouldn't throw her purse away and remove the batteries from her cell phone.

I might be wrong, but I still don't think that her body was dumped the same night that she was abducted. Just a hunch, but the way that Nancy Grace described the layout of the farm and where the body was found, it doesn't sound like a place that somebody would just drive up to, dump a body and drive away in the middle of the night.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by POE-33

I had forgotten many of the details of the initial news reports.
I checked the Charlottesville Daily Progress website.
The date of the concert was October 17.

According to the article, Morgan had been drinking that night.
I don't remember hearing that before, but that explains her actions.
You might be right that she went outside to smoke.
I think that she was abducted at the arena because why else would she leave her purse and cell phone in the arena parking lot. Even drinking, she wouldn't throw her purse away and remove the batteries from her cell phone.

I might be wrong, but I still don't think that her body was dumped the same night that she was abducted. Just a hunch, but the way that Nancy Grace described the layout of the farm and where the body was found, it doesn't sound like a place that somebody would just drive up to, dump a body and drive away in the middle of the night.

BBM that is why I think she was dumped that night. As Jadedblueeyes suggested above after she was abducted and the poi(s) were through it would have been dark and late at night. perfect dump time. but you may be right. I really do not know. just feelings and opinions. IMO
I just put myself in her shoes when I went to concerts and had been drinking
and smoking. I was always able to get right back in times have changed.
I agree that the purse and phone being found points to being taken against her will but I am confused about the battery. it takes a little time to get the battery out. At least in my phone. I wonder if they will find the battery near her remains........IMO sara

[POE-33]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

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BBM that is why I think she was dumped that night. As Jadedblueeyes suggested above after she was abducted and the poi(s) were through it would have been dark and late at night. perfect dump time. but you may be right. I really do not know. just feelings and opinions. IMO
I just put myself in her shoes when I went to concerts and had been drinking
and smoking. I was always able to get right back in times have changed.
I agree that the purse and phone being found points to being taken against her will but I am confused about the battery. it takes a little time to get the battery out. At least in my phone. I wonder if they will find the battery near her remains........IMO sara

I doubt if they will find the cell phone battery.
That really has me puzzled.
The theory is that the perp removed the battery so that the phone couldn't be traced, but if the phone was left in the parking lot, why would he care if it was traced. If her cell phone battery was weak, she might have removed it herself.

We can't completely rule out the possibilty that Morgan had arranged to meet someone at the arena beforehand. I'm sure that LE has checked her computer to see who she was communicating with. However, there are other ways to contact people rather than thru the internet. That's a little farfetched, but you can't rule it out.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by POE-33

I doubt if they will find the cell phone battery.
That really has me puzzled.
The theory is that the perp removed the battery so that the phone couldn't be traced, but if the phone was left in the parking lot, why would he care if it was traced. If her cell phone battery was weak, she might have removed it herself.

We can't completely rule out the possibilty that Morgan had arranged to meet someone at the arena beforehand. I'm sure that LE has checked her computer to see who she was communicating with. However, there are other ways to contact people rather than thru the internet. That's a little farfetched, but you can't rule it out.

Yeah Poe the battery thing is very confusing. big time.

I agree it could have been set up. She might have wanted to meet someone there and I also think she wanted to see the concert and was not let back in with or without person she was meeting.

IMO

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by POE-33

I doubt if they will find the cell phone battery.
That really has me puzzled.
The theory is that the perp removed the battery so that the phone couldn't be traced, but if the phone was left in the parking lot, why would he care if it was traced. If her cell phone battery was weak, she might have removed it herself.

We can't completely rule out the possibility that Morgan had arranged to meet someone at the arena beforehand. I'm sure that LE has checked her computer to see who she was communicating with. However, there are other ways to contact people rather than thru the internet. That's a little farfetched, but you can't rule it out.

I feel that he may have yanked the phone out of her hand and took the battery out so the phone couldn't receive calls. Even without the battery in if someone called her number looking for her would those calls go to voice mail and once LE put the battery back in the phone could they retrieve any messages?

imo

[SaraSidle]

Jaded I could be totally wrong but if LE put in any battery could'nt they still find her communications on the cell phone? I was wondering if she did not leave the phone there for LE? Or if the poi's thought that she could be located by the cell phone gps/antennas. sara

[JLette]

really they don't even need a battery.
they could contact the service provider, get her security code and access her voicemail from any landline or wireless phone simply by calling her number and pressing # i am pretty sure. every cell phone i have ever had has worked that way

[POE-33]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Yeah Poe the battery thing is very confusing. big time.

I agree it could have been set up. She might have wanted to meet someone there and I also think she wanted to see the concert and was not let back in with or without person she was meeting.

IMO

I originally thought that she might have prearranged to meet somebody there, but now I've concluded that it was a stranger abduction.
Originally, I rejected the idea that she would hitchhike or ask a stranger for a ride, but in light of the fact that she was drinking and her other odd behavior, I think that's probably what happened.

A thought popped into my head this afternoon.
Concerts like that often hire private security guards to supplement the regular police and campus police. We all know that serial killers and rapists are often Cop Wannabes. Private security companies often don't do thorough background checks. The type of security guards who work these types of events are generally just parking lot attendants. They don't carry a gun or have arrest power. They probably don't require police clearance.

Morgan could have approached a security guard in the parking lot and he offered to give her a ride. The perp might have been posing as a security guard. If I was in charge of the investigation, I would check into every security guard there and question people about anybody who was dressed like a Police officer.

The problem is that unless the perp left DNA on the body or clothes, LE might never be able to solve the case. There were thousands of people at the concert that night and any one of them might have been the killer.
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[SaraSidle]

Possible POE usually they have uniforms though and someone should have noticed them leaving early. or his co workers may have found he left early.

but you could be right. I am still leaning toward stranger abduction but it would also not surprise me if she was planning to meet someone there. If she did meet someone there it would make sense that she told her friends to take her car if she though someone was driving her.

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Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Possible POE usually they have uniforms though and someone should have noticed them leaving early. or his co workers may have found he left early.

but you could be right. I am still leaning toward stranger abduction but it would also not surprise me if she was planning to meet someone there. If she did meet someone there it would make sense that she told her friends to take her car if she though someone was driving her.

It's possible that the perp was prowling thru the area posing as a Police officer. There have been a number of cases of Cop Wannabes who dress in police type uniforms with fake badges. Then again, the perp might have just noticed that she seemed to be lost and offered her a ride.

It's very possible that the perp might have randomly turned into Anchorage Farm Rd. and saw that nobody was at home and drove into the field. The fact that Morgan was fully clothed and her neckless was still on seems to support that the killer raped and murdered her where she was found.

It's also possible that there is another way to access the field where the body was found without driving past the farmer's house. The farm is 745 Acres. That's a large area and there could be an old road that leads from an adjoining property and hasn't been used in years and overgrown with weeds. That would mean that the perp was familiar with the farm.