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04-17-2009, 10:30 AM
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Tori Stafford 8 yr girl missing 9 days from Woodstock, On, Canada
Here are some links on the case to catch up for those interested...this little girl is still missing 9 days in....
http://www.torontosun.com/news/colum...05276-sun.html
http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/617984
Video of her:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0a6oUxsEpE
The cops didn't do amber alert because they say their was no car. They have only started calling it an abduction today, day nine, and they even say such things on tv such as
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...sing-girl.html
As someone who lives here...they have said things like this since then too (LE) and the general feeling from everyone here right now is that this is ridiculous as the girls parents are both saying she is missing, and the girl is only 8 years old. You can't go anywhere willingly without a parent at 8 years old. But I feel it's one of two things going on. 1. The LE know more then they are saying, and possibly the parents are involved. 2. The LE really don't know whats going on and the public and media feeling that they kinda messed this up already is right.
What do you guys think?
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04-17-2009, 03:21 PM
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Great to see other people are thinking about this girl.
What amazed me, living so close, was that I still didn't see her face pushed much on the news even for the first couple days. It should have been EVERYWHERE on every station etc within hours! She is 8 years old!
I myself am very frustrated with this as right now it seems they have done things so slowly and backwards from what seems to be the norm in the states. If two biological parents are sitting there crying and saying the girl is gone, 8 years old, it's an abduction. PERIOD. Even if it DOES have something to do with the parents or their signifigant others. I am baffled as to why on day nine it's now "abduction"
I do feel something wacky is going on here. Something is being left out, or missed.
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04-20-2009, 09:37 AM
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A weekend of intensified searching has failed to turn up any new leads concerning the abduction of eight-year-old Victoria Stafford.
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...-stafford.html
Everyone involved has really dropped the ball in my opinion. Little Tori, still missing, and it wasn't until just a few days ago they were telling people it was abduction.
Poor Tori. One can only hope if they get some real information they will act a bit faster. I am hoping they are just keeping information from the public and planning on some real action soon, but everyday that goes by it seems like that's not the case. A search in a pond over a WEEK later doesn't seem like much to me, especially considering it's been over a week, and they claim they were searching there for no special reason other then it's close to where she was last seen.
Seems like their time might be better spent getting the parents on TV, with their daughters name and photo being shown every single day.
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04-20-2009, 12:24 PM
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http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/sto...-stafford.html
Everyone involved has really dropped the ball in my opinion. Little Tori, still missing, and it wasn't until just a few days ago they were telling people it was abduction.
Poor Tori. One can only hope if they get some real information they will act a bit faster. I am hoping they are just keeping information from the public and planning on some real action soon, but everyday that goes by it seems like that's not the case. A search in a pond over a WEEK later doesn't seem like much to me, especially considering it's been over a week, and they claim they were searching there for no special reason other then it's close to where she was last seen.
Seems like their time might be better spent getting the parents on TV, with their daughters name and photo being shown every single day.
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Its like the Dark Ages. I don't understand it. Parents searching for their child, and LE isn't doing it right, imo. So sad! At this point, she could have been DRIVEN to EL SALVADOR or something...
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04-21-2009, 08:25 AM
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pond searched for Tori Stafford
WOODSTOCK, Ont. – For the second time since 8-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford disappeared 11 days ago, Southside Park Pond has been searched.
The shallow body of water is less than half a kilometre from where Tori was last seen, caught on video walking hand in hand from school with an unidentified woman.
Rodney Stafford said yesterday that in the hours after his daughter was reported missing, he wandered down to the pond and searched along its banks with a flashlight.
"I kept saying to the people I was with, `I'm out here looking for my daughter, but this is the point in time I don't want to find her,'" Stafford said.
The search for Tori was bolstered yesterday by members of the Ontario Provincial Police's underwater search and recovery unit, who started their work at the same pond that drew Rodney Stafford.
"If she's here – if the missing person is here – we'll find her," said team leader Const. John Edwards.
Police said they have received no specific information that led them to the pond, and they are still holding out hope that Tori is alive.
"This was an area that was targeted because of proximity to the school (where Tori was last seen)," said Edwards.
While three officers in a pontoon boat criss-crossed the pond, scanning underwater with sonar, residents crowded benches at the edge. Nearby, picnickers sat on blankets under an unseasonably warm sun.
By mid-afternoon, the underwater search unit had packed up and moved on to another nearby pond.
According to police officials, the OPP expects the intensified search to carry through the next week.
Meanwhile, the local Oxford Community Police restarted their door-to-door canvass in the working-class neighbourhood.
"We're not going out questioning these people. We're just letting them talk to us as a community," said Sgt. Wayne Czepanski.
The first door-to-door search ended last Monday. Czepanski said the Easter long weekend meant many residents weren't home when officers came knocking.
"They are trying to hit the people they've missed," said Czepanski. "Surprisingly enough, you do come across the odd person who's not aware of (the abduction)."
Odd, since Woodstock is wallpapered in reminders of Tori. Nearly every storefront carries a poster of her. Reminders to pray for Tori and her family are posted at churches.
As the afternoon began to fade, about four dozen residents gathered behind College Avenue Secondary School. It was that high school's security cameras that caught the last image of Tori.
They planned to walk the school track for several hours to call attention to the case. Rodney Stafford, flanked by relatives, was one of the first to arrive. He said he has not been sleeping, and he looked it.
"Everybody's starting to crack," Stafford said. "It's starting to get really frustrating. For myself, I'm starting to get really upset because I know there's somebody out there who's not saying something."
It was only on Friday, nine days after Tori vanished, that police changed the investigation status from "missing person" to "abduction."
There have been rumblings about why that took so long. But Stafford declined to throw blame at the police: "Whether they say `missing' or `abduction,' it's the same thing to me. She's not in my arms."
Stafford's former wife and Tori's mother, Tara McDonald, wasn't at the start of the walk. McDonald's family said she is "exhausted."
They are planning their own event, a motorcycle rally on May 2 called "Tori's Ride Home."
Tori's aunt, Linda "Pepper" Jacklin, said, "It's a lot of days (away), but we're hoping that this is a celebration for Tori's return."
She paused: "If Tori's not home, it's obviously going to be to bring her home."
http://www.thestar.com/News/Ontario/article/620827
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04-21-2009, 08:29 AM
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04-21-2009, 10:19 AM
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Searchers are expected back at the Oxford County landfill today.
Police remained tightlipped about what they were looking for, but a spokesperson suggested they weren't looking for a body.
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04-22-2009, 07:27 PM
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WOODSTOCK, Ont. — The family of Victoria Stafford says they have suspicions about the identity of a woman portrayed in a composite sketch released by police.
Victoria, known as Tori, has been missing since April 8 and was seen on surveillance video with a woman in a white puffy coat.
Police in Woodstock, Ont., released a sketch of the woman late Tuesday, and the family of Tori's father says they have their own beliefs about who it may be.
Tori's aunt, Rebecca Stafford, says the family has some thoughts which they have shared with police but added they weren't prepared to elaborate.
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04-29-2009, 04:01 PM
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I don't even know what to say about this case. It's just so insane that this little girl is still missing when you pile it on top of other stuff starting to happen....
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According to Ms. McDonald, the benefactor had a child who was abducted "and there was a ransom that was asked for and they were told by police not to give it, so they didn't and their child ended up dead, and they don't want me to go through that." The benefactor didn't give her any details of the abduction, Ms. McDonald said, but "they had a little baggie of hair the same colour as my daughter's and that broke my heart and obviously, it was somebody genuine. I felt that. Like they weren't just making things up or trying to get into the news because they made it very clear that they wanted to remain anonymous."
The news of the alleged benefactor and the mysterious sum of money was announced by Ms. McDonald three days ago, but detailed first only to Cynthia Mulligan, a CITY-TV reporter.
The 30-year-old mother addressed some of her remarks to Ms. Mulligan yesterday, saying, "I know that people are speculating and thinking that we're crazy because, like I told you, you came in to discuss it with me, people are going to think that we're nuts, people are going to think we're absolutely crazy, and we woke up the next day and all looked at each other and thought, like, 'Did that really happen?' "
According to Ms. McDonald, a limo driver parked on a side street, sneaked through her neighbour's backyard out of sight of the waiting throng of reporters and arrived at her back door last Thursday, telling her there was someone who wanted to meet her.
Ms. McDonald didn't ask who it was, but asked for time to discuss it with her boyfriend, James Goris, her brother John and her best friend Sarah. Two hours later, the driver phoned back and two hours after that, the limo picked them up and took them to the hotel, stopping on the way at Tim Hortons.
Ms. McDonald explained that "obviously, I wasn't just going to jump in a limo with a stranger and just go somewhere," yet once at the hotel, she effectively did just that - leaving her boyfriend, brother and best friend in the lobby and going upstairs alone with the limo driver.
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Police seize Tori Stafford mom's computer
WOODSTOCK -- Police seized and are holding the computer of the mother of missing eight-year-old Victoria (Tori) Stafford, she confirmed yesterday, but her ex-husband's family seems to have kept theirs.
But neither the seizure nor police surveillance of her house bothers her, said Tara McDonald, who focused not on the stories swirling around her, but on getting Tori home.
"My computer was seized . . . My mom's computer has been seized, any computer the kids have had access to has been seized."
Police told her they took the computers to see if anyone had sent strange messages to Tori or her brother Daryn, 10, either through e-mail or children's websites such as Webkinz and Build-a-Bear, she said.
"That's what they were looking into -- anything that didn't make sense," she said.
Asked if any of his family members had their computers taken, Tori's father and McDonald's ex-husband, Rodney Stafford, said, "No, not that I know of."
As the pair spoke, an officer with Oxford Community police videotaped their comments, as he has for weeks.
McDonald said the daily police presence, including the stream of police cars that drive through her neighbourhood and park on the street, doesn't bother her.
"I don't really think about it. I just come and go in my regular routine and I don't pay attention."
Tori was last seen April 8 leaving Oliver Stephens elementary school on Fyfe Ave., where she's in Grade 3. She was seen on videotape, shot from a surveillance camera at a nearby high school, walking north up Fyfe with an unknown woman.
Her parents expressed surprise yesterday at how their little girl, known for being "pokey," made it off the school grounds so fast with a stranger no one noticed.
The videotape from the high school shows Tori and the unidentified woman walking north on Fyfe at 3:32 p.m., about two minutes after the girl left school.
"That seems very strange," McDonald said. When they lived two doors from the school, her daughter didn't get home until about 3:45 p.m. she said. "She's pokey. She takes her time putting her coat on. She talks to all her friends. I found it very, very odd that at 3:32 she was fully dressed, had her bag and was up the hill."
Stafford said he can't believe parents, bus drivers, classmates and others watched Tori leave with a perfect stranger without noticing something amiss.
"Somebody has had to see something. Now, I'd just like somebody to start talking and we can bring out daughter home."
For the first time since she began holding daily news conferences, McDonald missed one Tuesday.
Yesterday, she gave short answers weighed with exhaustion.
"Up until 10 minutes ago, I wasn't planning on coming out here today. I'm drained," she said.
With Mother's Day looming, McDonald said she's becoming frustrated. This will be the first Mother's Day spent without both her children, she said. "I would really hope to have my child home for Mother's Day," she said
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05-13-2009, 07:11 PM
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Very crazy. Just poof...gone without a trace.
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This is a bit contradictory:
But neither the seizure nor police surveillance of her house bothers her, said Tara McDonald, who focused not on the stories swirling around her, but on getting Tori home.
Just days ago, in her daily pc, she was complaining about what people said, or what people wrote in message boards or on social website pages. To the extent that she wanted the boards shut down.
She holds her daily pc's, and while she may tell about Tori's new years resolution, or show her latest school pic, it seems the pc's are more about TARA than about TORI.
Sure hope Tori comes home, soon. And it would be wonderful if she came home alive.
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05-20-2009, 09:34 AM
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/can...jlTSdw29Pgu4fg
The reporter JUST said she was taken for sexual reasons, the people were known to her parents, two arrested, no body or little girl yet.
Poor POOR Tori...let's remember....the cops said this "wasn't an abduction" until DAY NINE.
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05-20-2009, 09:51 AM
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Police believe Victoria was abducted for "sexual purposes," Sgambati told CTV's Canada AM in an interview from Woodstock.
Investigators are now looking for the child's body near Guelph, Ont., with the help of the female suspect, she said.
"This was an opportunistic crime, described to me by sources as a worst-case scenario," she said. "Police are looking for Tori's body as we speak outside of this jurisdiction."
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Although the suspects know Victoria's parents, police don't believe they knew who their daughter was at the time she was kidnapped, Sgambati said.
Sources tell CTV News that the suspects may have known Victoria's mother by coincidence, through the drug OxyContin but that drugs did not play a role in this case.
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http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...20?hub=Toronto
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05-20-2009, 10:44 AM
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Yeah, it "wasn't an abduction" until day 9. Took over a month to look at family computers?! What a bunch of morons! Poor baby! To not only be taken, but have no one looking for you with zeal, its unbelievable! I hope heads roll in that jurisdiction. The residents should be rioting in the streets.  Accessories after the fact, imo.
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05-20-2009, 10:55 AM
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Honestly I don't even know what to say. I live very close by so it's really been nothing but frustration for me.
I posted this here originally because back then (when she first went missing) I was already OUTRAGED by the lack luster way the police where dealing with this investigation.
Living less then a half hour away, after 3 or 4 days we still really didn't see her photo much, then with the police saying things like "it's not an abduction" and:
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I hope this person is really feeling the weight of their statements now. Yeah, Tori willingly walked away to be sexually abused? Even NOT knowing what we know today, no EIGHT YEAR OLD GIRL willing CAN walk away with someone who is NOT there parent. It's called ABDUCTION!!!
Honestly I am so pissed off with the police and system right now I don't even know what more to say.
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05-20-2009, 10:55 AM
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I agree java-do we think we are immune to these crimes. How many times does it have to happen to change protocol? 
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Its like what happened with Madeline McCann-America is NOT the only place with crazed perverts! Everybody everywhere needs to be on alert and assume the worst, or they'll never get abducted kids back alive. You'd think after that Homolka thing they would be assuming the worst...but I guess that just got mentally filed by LE as an aberration
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Honestly I don't even know what to say. I live very close by so it's really been nothing but frustration for me.
I posted this here originally because back then (when she first went missing) I was already OUTRAGED by the lack luster way the police where dealing with this investigation.
Living less then a half hour away, after 3 or 4 days we still really didn't see her photo much, then with the police saying things like "it's not an abduction" and:
I hope this person is really feeling the weight of their statements now. Yeah, Tori willingly walked away to be sexually abused? Even NOT knowing what we know today, no EIGHT YEAR OLD GIRL willing CAN walk away with someone who is NOT there parent. It's called ABDUCTION!!!
Honestly I am so pissed off with the police and system right now I don't even know what more to say.
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Tell me where to write an angry letter and I will do so. A mayor or who? I don't know who is in charge of local police in Canada. The last thing people should worry about with child abduction is if the police will do anything!
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05-20-2009, 11:02 AM
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I will also try to get information for writing about this totally disgusting injustice. You guys are right, ANOTHER embarrassment for Canada's law enforcement.
How is it SOOOO hard to L E A R N ?
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05-20-2009, 11:27 AM
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Tori should become the Amber of Canada.
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05-20-2009, 01:51 PM
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All I have heard so far is that they know she was murdered, looking for body in the Rockwood area and that they will have press con. at 3 although I can't imagine what more there is too say.
We were told there was no abduction, and that eight year old Tori was simply a "missing" child. We were told Amber Alert can't be used since no car description was available. (Even though there was a video of the actual PERSON who took her!) We were told "we have her walking away willingly" by a LE spokesperson. We were told the parents were drug abusers, and were given lie detector tests, which they passed. Then we are told she is murdered and abused. EXACTLY what the public was worried about.
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Not the ending we were all praying for. RIP Tori.
So, the perp has to cover his face, so his image won't be caught on camera. So he wept @ his hearing. What's the matter, big boy? You can dish it out, but you can't take it?? Should have tho't about the consequences before you took Tori. Especially if you were known to Tori, you knew from the outset that you would be murdering her, cuz otherwise, she would be able to identify you. You had to know that when you were planning on taking her. Unless you are so dumb that you don't have any synapses functioning.
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Honestly I don't even know what to say. I live very close by so it's really been nothing but frustration for me.
I posted this here originally because back then (when she first went missing) I was already OUTRAGED by the lack luster way the police where dealing with this investigation.
Living less then a half hour away, after 3 or 4 days we still really didn't see her photo much, then with the police saying things like "it's not an abduction" and:
I hope this person is really feeling the weight of their statements now. Yeah, Tori willingly walked away to be sexually abused? Even NOT knowing what we know today, no EIGHT YEAR OLD GIRL willing CAN walk away with someone who is NOT there parent. It's called ABDUCTION!!!
Honestly I am so pissed off with the police and system right now I don't even know what more to say.
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That is soooo wrong. If she was 18 or 28, LE can say she walked willingly (altho, in that case, there may be a gun we cannot see.) An 8 y/o, even if she is seen walking away WILLINGLY, if her parents did not authorize her going w/someone else, it is an abduction. What about the so many other little kids who probably walked WILLINGLY w/their abductor, because they are young and vulerable, and someone said--"I'm taking you over to the care home to see grandpa--your mom is waiting there." Or, "I've got a puppy in my car over there, your momma said if you like it, I can give it to you, let's go see it."
I remember watching an investigative report where even kids who HAVE been warned and warned about dangers, still did things like, open the door to a stranger when the parents weren't home. Go to a car to look @ a puppy, etc. And some of the kids were 10 or 12, even. So, Tori walking WILLINGLY has nothing to do with whether or not it's an abduction. What does make it an abduction is that the person she was walking with had no right to be there. You would think LE would be smart enough to discern the difference.
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Saying in the press con. right now that they have no located a body. Basically refusing to answer any and all questions but they have said no body and they are continuing to look for the body.
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Saying in the press con. right now that they have no located a body. Basically refusing to answer any and all questions but they have said no body and they are continuing to look for the body.

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Won't look for her alive, can't find her dead. Brainiacs.
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Saying in the press con. right now that they have no located a body. Basically refusing to answer any and all questions but they have said no body and they are continuing to look for the body.

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I learned SO much reading up on the Homolka fiasco...basically about gag orders in Canada not being restricted to the lawyers, witnesses, etc in a case, but extending to the PRESS! One reporter got prosecuted for finally breaking the silence and warning people about a serial killer/rapist in their midst. I was totally shocked. I admit, the Florida sunshine law may go too far one way, but gagging the press goes too far the other way....
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Well still no body but they are now looking in Fergus.
I was JUST in Fergus last weekend, and I will say this, unless this murderer is giving VERY detailed directions, it might be all day or more until they find this poor girls body. Fergus is FULL of farm land, forests around that, valleys, hills, long grasses growing now...etc. Not mention the Grand River, and a million other tiny streams and creeks.
On the news today they are saying they will be upgrading the charge on the female perp to murder. Before it was just accs. to murder.
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beem i saw your post on the caylee thread about this woman's facebook and everything else you had to say, do you happen to have any links, i am getting more and more interested in this as it progresses but cant seem to find current info
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Still no Tori.
But some more information on the murderers.
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On her Facebook profile, McClintic appears to show a fascination for violence -- including a stated desire to join the infamous Crips gang.
The results of several personal quizzes posted on the profile suggest similar leanings:
"What drug are you?" (the answer was methamphetamine)
"How evil are you" (pretty much evil)
"What kind of guy would you fall for?" (the bad boy)
"What crime are you?" (murder)
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On his MySpace page, Rafferty describes himself as a "hopeless romantic" who is into music and martial arts.
"I'm full of romance and love and I wear my heart on my sleeve. I am a hopeless romantic... But can also stand my ground," he states on the profile.
According to an ex-girlfriend, Rafferty was an emotional man who seemed to obsess over his relationships.
"He wasn't stable," said Alexis, who declined to give her last name.
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05-22-2009, 08:32 AM
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This article MAKES ME SICK.
The Mothers descriptions of being told by police "we know it's you" and "you are my prime suspect"
I am really really upset. I can't understand how this can happen in Canada. I am feeling upset, confused, and total rage at the police right now. I have always respected and been thankful for the police. But every year that goes by I watch them waste more and more time on silly things like Pit Bull laws, busting someone for smoking a joint, etc etc all the while letting MURDER and RAPE happen while they interrogate someone innocent...all because they figured "Hey she's a junkie, she did it or knows who did"
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Tori Stafford's mother is speaking out about the way police treated her after her daughter disappeared.
Tara McDonald lashed out at police and those charged in the death of her eight-year old little girl as she told the London Free Press "my daughter's not coming home. I want the killers dead".
McDonald said she and her boyfriend were targeted by investigators for 42 days.
"Three times I was interviewed by police [...] they said 'we know it's you' [...] with one telling her 'you are my prime suspect,'" she explained.
McDonald added she can barely bring herself to think about the final hours of her "beautiful little princess" and has refused to make funeral arrangements until she sees her daughter's body.
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http://www.680news.com/news/headline...22_075213_6928
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05-22-2009, 02:32 PM
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You know it's crazy because normally when parents are on TV with kids missing and they seem to be angry they are being interviewed etc, I usually always side with the cops in my head. Thinking things like "this is normal" "gotta go through this first" "they start at home" etc.
But with even simple phone in callers to the big daily news show here screaming DO SOMETHING even before the first ten days were up, it shows this was more then the police simply "starting at home" and "standard procedure"
I really still believe the same thing I did at the beginning, and that's one of two things. 1. I am really living in a society where like a book, you are taken by your cover first, content second. 2. There is still something we aren't hearing.
Nothing else explains their total lack of action in the early days. It seemed they just kept "hanging around" the parents.
Case and point? Apparently in the last two weeks, school children in Fergus were sent home with letters and warned that two suspicious things/attempted abductions had taken place, and to be on the lookout for a dark car. A dark car like the dark car in one of the Tori videos.
I JUST HEARD THIS NOW?!?!?!?
I am citizen of this country, and I deserve to have the police ACT like we have a child molester and killer in our midst, instead of acting like two druggies lost their kid to a dope debt for 6 weeks until someone else is caught.
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children attending schools in the Fergus area were sent home with a note warning their parents to be on the lookout for a dark-coloured vehicle, following the two attempted abductions.
There was a similar car in an enhanced surveillance video released by Ontario Provincial Police several weeks ago
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Heck in the town closest to us I didn't see one missing child single flyer up for her and didn't see one until we went to a town almost 2 hours from us. The cops really dropped the ball from the start of this.  (We are probably an hour or hour and a half from where they have been searching for the body.)
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Out here in California, the land of freaks and nuts, our LE has a lot of experience with this, I know...but these cops in this town...un-freaking-believable! If there's just a 1% chance in a cops mind that the child was stranger abducted, how can you leave her just swinging in the wind like that? How long was she alive? WHAT IF THEY COULD HAVE SAVED HER?!
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05-22-2009, 06:32 PM
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Out here in California, the land of freaks and nuts, our LE has a lot of experience with this, I know...but these cops in this town...un-freaking-believable! If there's just a 1% chance in a cops mind that the child was stranger abducted, how can you leave her just swinging in the wind like that? How long was she alive? WHAT IF THEY COULD HAVE SAVED HER?!
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I know it has been reported (I assume info from LE) that she was mostly likely killed that first day. But, what time? 11:59? That would mean about 7 hours they could have been searching for her. Well, not 7 for LE, cuz family searched first, before reporting. But, still--and wonder where they got THERE info? From TLM? Or, are they just saying that, without any details that would actually support that? Cuz, I'm here to add my 2 cents that they did not handle this well @ all. Are they saying this to put themselves in a better light? Doesn't work for me. A better light would have been for them to start a search immediately, putting out an alert. They don't have to issue it as an Amber Alert, but, for Pete's sake get the word out!!! And, even if she was dead shortly after the abduction, to have found her, dead or alive in the first day or so would put them in a better light.
I guess I am reading the "she probably was dead on that first day" as to mean, it wouldn't have mattered if they had searched right away, they would not have found her alive. But, it DOES matter--it would have saved her parents and family and friends and the community so much in emotional upheaval. It would have saved having to put out so many resources in the ensuing weeks. They might have very well had the perps off the street within a couple of days, instead of them being free to be able to take another little child.
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I know it has been reported (I assume info from LE) that she was mostly likely killed that first day. But, what time? 11:59? That would mean about 7 hours they could have been searching for her. Well, not 7 for LE, cuz family searched first, before reporting. But, still--and wonder where they got THERE info? From TLM? Or, are they just saying that, without any details that would actually support that? Cuz, I'm here to add my 2 cents that they did not handle this well @ all. Are they saying this to put themselves in a better light? Doesn't work for me. A better light would have been for them to start a search immediately, putting out an alert. They don't have to issue it as an Amber Alert, but, for Pete's sake get the word out!!! And, even if she was dead shortly after the abduction, to have found her, dead or alive in the first day or so would put them in a better light.
I guess I am reading the "she probably was dead on that first day" as to mean, it wouldn't have mattered if they had searched right away, they would not have found her alive. But, it DOES matter--it would have saved her parents and family and friends and the community so much in emotional upheaval. It would have saved having to put out so many resources in the ensuing weeks. They might have very well had the perps off the street within a couple of days, instead of them being free to be able to take another little child.
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And how about not calling the Mounties in? Clearly, they assumed it was Mom, so why bring the feds in, they just needed to pressure Mom to get the info they needed. IMO, these cops were total losers. I would not feel safe in this town. Heck, I wouldn't pay taxes in this town until I got a good accounting of this! Citizens are not getting their money's worth...
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