about chloroform

[JLette]

well, i dont know if this is still an issue with this case or not as i havent heard anything regarding chloroform in a while, but here it is.


my husband and i were sitting here talking about this case, which i do alot as it is something i cant get out of my mind ever since this started in July, but anyway, we were sitting here talking about it and he said "i wonder just how easy it IS to make chloroform.........." so we went to google and typed in How to make chloroform, and withing 10 minutes we had three different procedures on how to make it, it AMAZED me how easy it really is and the ingredients are VERY EASY to get access too, especially considering the anthony's have a pool and one of the main ingredients for one method was the shock powder for pools. just wanted to put that out there, and see if anyone has heard anything else about that issue?

if u don't or can't believe it i urge you to run the search yourself, it is disturbing how easy the internet makes crime nowadays

[One2Snoop]

Thanks for posting JLett. I believe we did have quite an extensive conversation about this when it first came up - the whole thing with Casey searching the internet on how to make Chloroform etc.... I believe there's something in the computer forensics on Casey's computer regarding this. I'll see if I can find the info for you..

[One2Snoop]

Discussion starts back on 9/04/08...

http://boards.library.trutv.com/show...rm#post9121709

[One2Snoop]

Nancy Grace....

NANCY GRACE

Chloroform Traces Said Found in Missing Toddler`s Mother`s Car

Aired September 3, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Police desperately searching for a beautiful little 3-year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing, little Caylee now not seen for 11 long weeks, last seen with her mother. So why didn`t Mommy call police?
Bombshell tonight. Traces of the powerful chemical solution chloroform discovered by the FBI in mom, Casey Anthony`s, trunk. This while sources confirm mom, Casey`s, computer reveals multiple visits to Web sites on chloroform. Now we learn even more criminal charges filed against mom, Casey, for cleaning out a so-called friend`s checking account. This as investigators go on the record, confirming there is forensic evidence of human decomposition in mom, Casey`s, car trunk. All indicators are it was 3-year-old little Caylee.

Tonight, more lies uncovered by mom, Casey, these lies regarding the car, the car that has suddenly become the centerpiece of the state`s investigation. And what does it mean that today local sheriffs put up thousands of dollars to continue to search through swamps, through forests and bodies of water for little Caylee? Is a Sacramento bounty hunter actually reposting a $500,000 bond to get mom, Casey, out from behind bars? Why? All this while little Caylee`s grandparents insist she is alive and likely in Texas, Puerto Rico or Mexico. Tonight, where is 3-year-old Caylee?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stunning developments tonight in the case of missing tot Caylee Anthony. Evidence reportedly shows traces of chloroform found in mother Casey Anthony`s car. Her computer, confiscated by police after her July arrest, shows someone was searching Web sites for information about chloroform.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cindy Anthony was on national TV saying that -- demanding an apology from the sheriff`s office.

CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: I want an apology from Kevin Feery.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It won`t happen. Won`t happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re doing our job. What we need is credible information, especially from her daughter. And that`s a message I`ll send back to her.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Also, a California bounty hunter says he will put up Casey Anthony`s bond for a second time if she says where little Caylee is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Regardless whether she`s alive or passed away, we need to find Caylee.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for a 3-year-old Florida girl, Caylee.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news tonight. A source close to the investigation says there is evidence of traces of chloroform in the car of Caylee Anthony`s mother. Police confiscated Casey Anthony`s computer after her July arrest and found visits to Web sites with information about chloroform.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

CINDY ANTHONY: There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car full of maggots and stunk so bad.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was an overpowering smell (INAUDIBLE)

CINDY ANTHONY: There was no odor in the car when it was towed down to the towing company. No odor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have forensic evidence that has been returned to us regarding the vehicle. Preliminary evidence indicates that there is decomposition in that vehicle from a human body.

CINDY ANTHONY: Maybe someone put a body in the car after it was towed to the tow yard.

GEORGE ANTHONY, GRANDFATHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Maybe my daughter ran over something.

CINDY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE)

If we continue to, you know, look at evidence that hasn`t been verified, you guys are going to put Caylee in a coffin because, eventually, something`s going to happen to her if we don`t find her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They found hair samples in the trunk of the car that are similar in length and color to that of Caylee.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The information that we`ve got back from the FBI lab indicating that -- you know, that she was in the trunk of that car and that she`s dead certainly is information we take very seriously.

GEORGE ANTHONY: The person who was in the back of my granddaughter`s (SIC) car is not my granddaughter!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to the search command center. Standing by, our producer Natisha Lance. Natisha, this is some of the worst news that has come down regarding the chloroform story that you have confirmed. Explain to me, chloroform?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes, Nancy. According to a source that I spoke to today, preliminary FBI lab results are saying that chloroform was found in the trunk of Casey Anthony`s car. And in addition to that, there was a history of searches on her computer that was confiscated by police that indicated that someone had been searching for chloroform.

GRACE: Out to famed forensic scientist Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky. Koby (ph), explain to us, what is chloroform?

LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, chloroform is a compound. Chemically, it has three chlorine groups. Essentially, it is a great solvent. It`s been used for the purpose of anesthesia in the past. It`s a known carcinogen. And it has a lot of different uses, one of which is the isolation of DNA. Laboratories that do DNA analysis use chloroform...

GRACE: Koby! Koby! Isn`t it true that many, many years ago, chloroform was outlawed for consumer use in the U.S.?

KOBILINSKY: That`s correct. Absolutely correct.

GRACE: Where do you find it?

KOBILINSKY: You can find it in hospitals. You can find it in forensic labs. You can find it in private DNA laboratories. Industry still uses chloroform as a de-greasing agent, but it is not available to the average person.

GRACE: In fact, it was outlawed back in the `70s, banned in the U.S. for consumer use. It is a solvent.

KOBILINSKY: That`s correct. And it`s a carcinogen. It`s very hazardous. It`s very volatile. You can easily breathe it in, and if you get too much, not only will you get dizzy, fatigued, but you will fall asleep. And ultimately, if you continue to breathe it in, your heart will stop and you will die.

GRACE: Back to our producer, Natisha Lance, standing by at the search command center. Natisha, you`re telling me that this is a result of the FBI report on what was found in mom, Casey`s, trunk. Chloroform in her trunk?

LANCE: Yes. This is according to the preliminary results that have come out so far.

GRACE: OK. Dr. Kobilinsky, can you give me one innocent explanation why chloroform would be in someone`s trunk? And they said chloroform. They did not say a pool cleaner. They did not say a solvent. They said the ingredient chloroform had been found in mom, Casey`s, car trunk. Why?

KOBILINSKY: That`s a very tough question. There are instances where chloroform can form as a result of a combination of bleach and ethanol or other alcohols. It could be a very small amount. We need to know how much was found. And also, we need to know if it was simply a contaminant that was picked up on this test, a contaminant, meaning...

GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Let me see Kobilinsky! Are you telling me that you want to see if the FBI laboratory contaminated a sample from mom, Casey`s, car trunk with chloroform? Did I -- did I -- please hold onto your good reputation~!


continued...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../03/ng.01.html

[JLette]

thank you for that info, i have a hard time finding info on this case, everything gets mixed up and i end up reading the same things over and over LOL

we also read on one of these sites about making chloroform that if improperly stored the chemicals will begin a reaction that produces a type of poison gas that was used as a chemical weapon in WW2 which i thought was extremely interesting.

theory: casey possibly manufactured a form of chloroform and stored it incorrectly and ended up accidently poisoning little caylee, OR, she did not read up on it enough and possibly left the rag on her little face too long causing death.

theories in this case are too easy to speculate on of course since no one will ever really know what happened. sad sad SAD

[JLette]

i agree java, it even seems most likely that it WAS an accident, well, the childs death at least, she was obviously a bad mom and was probably doing something with this child that she shouldnt have been doing, ie drugging her to party, but i honestly and truly dont think she PURPOSELY killed her. granted the cover up shows that she knows it was wrong, i believe that she was more afraid of her mom finding out then any real consequences.

[JLette]

you could be right. i was just thinking if it was an accidental thing maybe she was already working the kidnapper story up in her mind and maybe wanted to make it look like the child was captive. she could have taped her up after she had died, after she had stored her little body in the trunk long enough to think up a nice elaborate story......

[JLette]

here is one article on chloroform that includes the information about poison gas.

HANKS FOR VISITING SCI-SPOT.COM'S CHLOROFORM SYNTHESIS. BEFORE CONTINUING, PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING.

CHLOROFORM IS A DANGEROUS CHEMICAL. WHILE THE SYNTHESIS MAY APPEAR SIMPLE, IT SHOULD ONLY BE CONDUCTED BY QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. THE DANGER OF INHALING CHLOROFORM IS VERY REAL, AND CHLOROFORM HAS FADED FROM WIDESPREAD USE FOR A REASON. NO CHLOROFORM SHOULD EVER BE INHALED, ACCIDENTALLY OR OTHERWISE. CHLOROFORM PRODUCED IN THIS MANNER IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS; IT CONTAINS BYPRODUCT SALTS, AS WELL AS ADDITIVES THAT MAY HAVE EXISTED IN THE REAGENT PRODUCTS. THIS MAKES FOR AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE CHEMICAL.

NEVER LEAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER OF CHLOROFORM. NEVER STORE CHLOROFORM IN A METAL OR PLASTIC BOTTLE. NEVER STORE CHLOROFORM FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. STORED CHLOROFORM WILL DECOMPOSE INTO PHOSGENE GAS, A CHEMICAL USED IN WWI AS A CHEMICAL WEAPON. NEVER ALLOW CHILDREN TO COME NEAR CHLOROFORM.

FOLLOW GOOD CHEMISTRY PROCEDURES AT ALL TIMES. WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES AND APPROPRIATE CLOTHING. IF YOU'RE EVER IN DOUBT, ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.

AGAIN, NEVER INHALE CHLOROFORM, ESPECIALLY CHLOROFORM PRODUCED IN THIS MANNER.

[JLette]

two links on how to make chloroform, check these out, you dont gotta be a chemist to make this crap

http://www.sci-spot.com/chemistry/chloroform.htm

http://www.ehow.com/how_4514985_make-chloroform.html

[sharlock]

I remember on NG after the lab results were released the doc said the chloroform reading was too high for it to have been made at home and that it would have had to have been pure chloroform. Assuming he was correct it seems more likely then that she stole it and the only place to do that can think of is either the car dealership where her dad worked or more likely the car dealership where her friends worked and she spent lunch at most days. They would have dif had it as they use it in car industry to degrease engines.

[Parker]

Originally Posted by sharlock

I remember on NG after the lab results were released the doc said the chloroform reading was too high for it to have been made at home and that it would have had to have been pure chloroform. Assuming he was correct it seems more likely then that she stole it and the only place to do that can think of is either the car dealership where her dad worked or more likely the car dealership where her friends worked and she spent lunch at most days. They would have dif had it as they use it in car industry to degrease engines.

And you are an expert in the use of chloroform because...?

[JLette]

Originally Posted by Parker

And you are an expert in the use of chloroform because...?

umm i don't think sharlock was representing themselves as an expert in the use of chloroform, just adding to the discussion is how i read it.

and sharlock, i must have missed that coming out, i honestly can't keep this case straight anymore, its turned into too much of a mess

could she have also stolen it from the place where her mom worked? they probably wouldn't have it there anymore, i don't think the medical industry has any use for chloroform anymore.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by Parker

And you are an expert in the use of chloroform because...?

I don't know what your beef is with Sharlock but this really was uncalled for Parker.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by Parker

And you are an expert in the use of chloroform because...?

And you are so aggressive because???
I am entitled to discuss this case Parker and if you don't like what I wrote then move on. I have never claimed to be an expert why ..are you?
Thankyou Jlette and One2snoop for standing up for me. I appreciate it.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I don't know what your beef is with Sharlock but this really was uncalled for Parker.

Just figured it out snoop, Hi JB welcome back!

[JLette]

Originally Posted by sharlock

And you are so aggressive because???
I am entitled to discuss this case Parker and if you don't like what I wrote then move on. I have never claimed to be an expert why ..are you?
Thankyou Jlette and One2snoop for standing up for me. I appreciate it.

back at ya sharlock....everyone has a right to their opinions and to discuss this case however they want to, but there is no reason for snarky comments by people who seem to just want to start up a argument.

i started this thread because i wanted to learn more about the chloroform aspect of this case and i value your answer as i hadn't heard that before so thank you for the answer, also i am still flabbergasted by the ease with which this volatile chemical COULD be made at home

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by JLette

back at ya sharlock....everyone has a right to their opinions and to discuss this case however they want to, but there is no reason for snarky comments by people who seem to just want to start up a argument.

i started this thread because i wanted to learn more about the chloroform aspect of this case and i value your answer as i hadn't heard that before so thank you for the answer, also i am still flabbergasted by the ease with which this volatile chemical COULD be made at home

Now that Sharlock has pointed out who Parker is, the comment makes sense to me now. Parker used to post here as Joseph Bell. JB has a difficult time getting along with others and chooses to harass people he has a difference of opinion with. Some people (like JB/Parker) need to get over themselves and move on, as in finding another message board where they get along with the other posters. JMO

Ok, I said that as nicely as I possibly could.

[JLette]

lol it all becomes clear now!

some people just have nothin better to do i guess

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by beemeup

Glad u clarified that Snoop-I thought you guy's meant Jose Baez aka Bozo. Whew my heart skipped a beat LOL. J i believe Caylee's death was intentional. I just go back to all the facts leading up to the murder and mainly due to the duct tape over her mouth. If u want someone to inhale a substance for a long period of time or a great amt. of it you need to cover their mouth. It would render them uncon. faster putting up less of a fight. MOO

if I knew Jose personally I'm not sure you'd associate with me LOL.

ITA, I also believe Caylee's death was intentional. JMO.

[JLette]

i agree also, i just hate to think of someone murdering their child on purpose, and whether or not the murder was intentional the cover up certainly was

[sharlock]

Exacty JLette, I have heard there will be another doc dump next week so hopefully we will have more pieces of the puzzle.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by javahog

One detail that tells me it was likely not an accident is that the duct tape was tight and in her hair. If you ever plan to take the tape off, you don't get it in the hair. Casey is lazy, she would not make more work for herself. I think that tape was forever tape.

And how do you explain her looking up neck breaking and the episode of One Tree Hill where the nanny kidnaps the baby way before the disappearance if it was an accident? I do not think it was an accident esp if that diary page turns out to be true.,