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Drumbum · #1 01-29-2009, 02:52 PM

Another reason to be afraid of clowns? I studied Gacy way back and even today I'm left scratching my head. He just didn't fit the serial killer mold. A fairly successful businessman, husband and Father. A big Pal to his friends and the recipient of the Jaycees "Man of the Year" award. What happened to Gacy? Was it abuse or something more sinister?

POE-33 · #2 01-29-2009, 09:06 PM

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Another reason to be afraid of clowns? I studied Gacy way back and even today I'm left scratching my head. He just didn't fit the serial killer mold. A fairly successful businessman, husband and Father. A big Pal to his friends and the recipient of the Jaycees "Man of the Year" award. What happened to Gacy? Was it abuse or something more sinister?

There have been quite a few serial killers who were married with children and a number who were successful self-employed businessmen.

I have seen several documentaries about Gacy on Crime TV and the ID channel. Gacy's was a closet homosexual. Gacy's father was a brutish man who bullied and ridiculed him.

Gacy was defiant to the end and contemptuous of his victims.
I don't know if it's true, but one program that I saw said that Gacy's last words were: "You can all all kiss my *****".

grneyes · #3 01-29-2009, 10:27 PM

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Another reason to be afraid of clowns? I studied Gacy way back and even today I'm left scratching my head. He just didn't fit the serial killer mold. A fairly successful businessman, husband and Father. A big Pal to his friends and the recipient of the Jaycees "Man of the Year" award. What happened to Gacy? Was it abuse or something more sinister?

I think he fit it perfectly. He was the last one they suspected because he was successful, friendly, etc.... What better cover to have?

Drumbum · #4 01-29-2009, 11:00 PM

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I think he fit it perfectly. He was the last one they suspected because he was successful, friendly, etc.... What better cover to have?

Most serial killers are masters of deception and Gacy was no different in this respect. It's a facade of normalcy presented to society. When people closest discover the truth, it's always shock. "He was such a nice man."

Karin · #5 01-29-2009, 11:16 PM

What kills me about Gacy is that he fooled everyone for so many years...even his wife had no clue of his crimes. He was a deacon in his church, an active member of his community and even received and award and got his picture taken with Barbara Bush ( i think it was her, or one of the first ladies). What a true chameleon he was...he was so good at hiding his double life that I consider him to be in a class by himself...the sickest class, ofcourse...

Super Volcano · #6 01-30-2009, 04:32 AM

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What kills me about Gacy is that he fooled everyone for so many years...even his wife had no clue of his crimes. He was a deacon in his church, an active member of his community and even received and award and got his picture taken with Barbara Bush ( i think it was her, or one of the first ladies). What a true chameleon he was...he was so good at hiding his double life that I consider him to be in a class by himself...the sickest class, ofcourse...

I know I said this on the R.R thread, but I wanted to get your take on this Drummy. Have you seen that picture of Gacy dressed as a clown smiling really big, with his horrid teeth? Ok, now remember the movie "It" by Stephen King?" The clown on that movie looked almost exactly like Gacy did in that photo!!! There was a question brought up (I think by Sarasidle) that that is where S.K could have gotten the idea for the clown look for the movie? Just a thought....I HATED clowns ever since I saw "It."

Drumbum · #7 01-30-2009, 03:20 PM

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I know I said this on the R.R thread, but I wanted to get your take on this Drummy. Have you seen that picture of Gacy dressed as a clown smiling really big, with his horrid teeth? Ok, now remember the movie "It" by Stephen King?" The clown on that movie looked almost exactly like Gacy did in that photo!!! There was a question brought up (I think by Sarasidle) that that is where S.K could have gotten the idea for the clown look for the movie? Just a thought....I HATED clowns ever since I saw "It."

Gacy used to dress up as a clown to entertain kids at birthday parties. He and Pennywise did look alike in their clown costumes. Harmless on the outside, brutal on the inside.

Super Volcano · #8 01-30-2009, 11:23 PM

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Gacy used to dress up as a clown to entertain kids at birthday parties. He and Pennywise did look alike in their clown costumes. Harmless on the outside, brutal on the inside.

Ha, that is right, Pennywise. I totally forgot about that scary evil clown's name in "It." Yeah, I couldn't believe that he even left one of his (gives me the heebie jeebies just saying it) rape victims after torturing him, and leaving him to wake up in a public spot. That guy was lucky not to end up underneath the floorboards of Gacy's home. I sure hope they burned that hell hole down after they of course searched everything. Even having something rebuilt over that area would still be freaky.

SaraSidle · #9 01-31-2009, 07:54 PM

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Gacy used to dress up as a clown to entertain kids at birthday parties. He and Pennywise did look alike in their clown costumes. Harmless on the outside, brutal on the inside.

okay so who was first drummy I am thinking Gacy was first. It would be interesting to know if that is where SK got his idea? sara right SV?

Karin · #10 01-31-2009, 08:47 PM

I was reading www.stephenking.com
message boards and read where he did not use John Wayne Gacy as his inspiration for Pennywise. But, their resemblence is uncanny, and IMO I don't think Stephen King would admit it anyway!

SaraSidle · #11 01-31-2009, 10:21 PM

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I was reading www.stephenking.com
message boards and read where he did not use John Wayne Gacy as his inspiration for Pennywise. But, their resemblence is uncanny, and IMO I don't think Stephen King would admit it anyway!

LOL or we could give him the benefit of the doubt and he did it in his subconcious. well................ IMO sara

Karin · #12 01-31-2009, 10:25 PM

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LOL or we could give him the benefit of the doubt and he did it in his subconcious. well................ IMO sara

Yeah Sara, I think SK does alot of his best work in his subconcious mind...thus the inspiration for his macabre stories...

Super Volcano · #13 01-31-2009, 10:34 PM

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Yeah Sara, I think SK does alot of his best work in his subconcious mind...thus the inspiration for his macabre stories...

HAHAHA I have a story about Stephen King actually. Back in 1993, I served a mission for the L.D.S church in the New England mission, and one of the areas I was at was Bangor Maine, which is where he lives. I have never met the guy, but have seen his house. (big mansion). Anyways, some elders that were in the mission decided to go try to share the gospel with him. This is their story as they told us: "we went and knocked on his door, and after a minute or two, the giant door creaked open, and his face appeared out of the darkness, and he said "so, what religion are you from?" they said "well Mr. King, we are the missionaries for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!" S.K, said, "well, we have our own little religion here, he he he..." and he shut the door. Needless to say, the elders were totally freaked out. Funny story they tell anyone who is a fan of S.K.

grneyes · #14 02-01-2009, 12:07 PM

I totally love SK's books. Have been reading them since Carrie first came out. As for clowns, I don't see how anyone could like them. They creep me right out.

SaraSidle · #15 02-01-2009, 10:05 PM

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HAHAHA I have a story about Stephen King actually. Back in 1993, I served a mission for the L.D.S church in the New England mission, and one of the areas I was at was Bangor Maine, which is where he lives. I have never met the guy, but have seen his house. (big mansion). Anyways, some elders that were in the mission decided to go try to share the gospel with him. This is their story as they told us: "we went and knocked on his door, and after a minute or two, the giant door creaked open, and his face appeared out of the darkness, and he said "so, what religion are you from?" they said "well Mr. King, we are the missionaries for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints!" S.K, said, "well, we have our own little religion here, he he he..." and he shut the door. Needless to say, the elders were totally freaked out. Funny story they tell anyone who is a fan of S.K.

Hey Karin I do believe it may be in his subconcious as you say. I would not be a bit surprised. Super Volcano I just love your story and I am so not surprised by his answer or action at all. He is such a talented person. I love so many of his books.tv shows and movies that if you introduced me to him I would be speechless and that is not what I am like at all. I love to talk and mingle. thanks a ton for the story. sara

SaraSidle · #16 02-01-2009, 10:09 PM

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I totally love SK's books. Have been reading them since Carrie first came out. As for clowns, I don't see how anyone could like them. They creep me right out.

ge ita ita ita sara

Super Volcano · #17 02-02-2009, 03:46 AM

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Hey Karin I do believe it may be in his subconcious as you say. I would not be a bit surprised. Super Volcano I just love your story and I am so not surprised by his answer or action at all. He is such a talented person. I love so many of his books.tv shows and movies that if you introduced me to him I would be speechless and that is not what I am like at all. I love to talk and mingle. thanks a ton for the story. sara

Haha yeah. I chuckle to myself when I think of that story. S.K probably likes to have fun with people or fans that stop by to "see him." The community absolutely adores him, because he donates a lot of money to the city, and his celebrity brings tourist and vacationers. He is too freaky for me. The only book of his that I ever read was the Green Mile. The movie was good, but the book was better. "It" gave me nightmares, and that other one with Kathy Bates freaked me out. Seeing her as "Molly Brown" in Titanic gave me a different feeling about her because she played the part SO well in S.K's film. I will always think of her in that character, "I'm your #1 fan." I still can't get over the resemblance of "Pennywise" to J.W.G.

Karin · #18 02-02-2009, 06:50 PM

SV that is funny about what SK said, I am sure he does have his own religion and the town probably does too...I just know he was thinking of Gacy when he created Pennywise. As SK said in Pet Semetary, Hey Ho, Let's Go....

SaraSidle · #19 02-02-2009, 07:52 PM

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Haha yeah. I chuckle to myself when I think of that story. S.K probably likes to have fun with people or fans that stop by to "see him." The community absolutely adores him, because he donates a lot of money to the city, and his celebrity brings tourist and vacationers. He is too freaky for me. The only book of his that I ever read was the Green Mile. The movie was good, but the book was better. "It" gave me nightmares, and that other one with Kathy Bates freaked me out. Seeing her as "Molly Brown" in Titanic gave me a different feeling about her because she played the part SO well in S.K's film. I will always think of her in that character, "I'm your #1 fan." I still can't get over the resemblance of "Pennywise" to J.W.G.

Oh SV. the green mile is absolutely the best book-movie. how many times can I cry. seriously I bet he is just as shy to meet the public as we are. I would bet you money. he is very shy in public and interviews. kind of cute but I would still faint if he was in the same room lol. Let's go visit him in maine? I love how he always puts an appearance in any of his films.

My dear S.V. you must read his books. forget he is horror and he does the best character buildup in all his books. they are so good many times you forget you are reading horror books. the 2 you should start with are "The Stand" and "It". then there is the "SHINING" and lots more. I learned more about people than horror. good books...........sara

Karin · #20 02-02-2009, 08:02 PM

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Oh SV. the green mile is absolutely the best book-movie. how many times can I cry. seriously I bet he is just as shy to meet the public as we are. I would bet you money. he is very shy in public and interviews. kind of cute but I would still faint if he was in the same room lol. Let's go visit him in maine? I love how he always puts an appearance in any of his films.

My dear S.V. you must read his books. forget he is horror and he does the best character buildup in all his books. they are so good many times you forget you are reading horror books. the 2 you should start with are "The Stand" and "It". then there is the "SHINING" and lots more. I learned more about people than horror. good books...........sara

When I read The Stand, it made me want to be a better person and made me feel like good always wins over evil...

SaraSidle · #21 02-02-2009, 09:00 PM

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When I read The Stand, it made me want to be a better person and made me feel like good always wins over evil...

yes that is why i love those books. Karin if I had all of them I would mail them to you but I have given all my books away. glad you read it though already for your sake. sara

grneyes · #22 02-02-2009, 09:09 PM

Have any of you read SK's Dark Tower series? Took me a few books to actually get into it but once I did, I enjoyed it.

Super Volcano · #23 02-03-2009, 12:16 AM

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Oh SV. the green mile is absolutely the best book-movie. how many times can I cry. seriously I bet he is just as shy to meet the public as we are. I would bet you money. he is very shy in public and interviews. kind of cute but I would still faint if he was in the same room lol. Let's go visit him in maine? I love how he always puts an appearance in any of his films.

My dear S.V. you must read his books. forget he is horror and he does the best character buildup in all his books. they are so good many times you forget you are reading horror books. the 2 you should start with are "The Stand" and "It". then there is the "SHINING" and lots more. I learned more about people than horror. good books...........sara

Tom Hanks and Michael Clark Duncan were SO perfect for their parts (the whole cast fit perfect) in the Green Mile. I had NO idea that S.K did apperances in his films??? I knew that M. Night Shymalan (sp?) does now and then, and thought he was among the few that did. YES YES YES, let's go visit Maine!!! I woiuld LOVE to go back and to see the people I grew to love there again!! (and to see S.K). I would shake his hand, but would stand back in the shadows taking pictures of you talking to him, etc. He is ok, but not one on my list of people to meet. I have one or two that are on my list that would give me a dead on heart attack to even be in the same room with-so I know what you mean!!! I have never seen the "Shining" or "The Stand." I know that Jack Nicholson became famous from that movie, and "redrum." I wished we lived close enough where we could get together some night with popcorn, and have a S.K movie night!!! I get too freaked out watching those kind of movies living alone. It is WAY more fun (and less freaky) with friends.

SaraSidle · #24 02-03-2009, 03:32 AM

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Tom Hanks and Michael Clark Duncan were SO perfect for their parts (the whole cast fit perfect) in the Green Mile. I had NO idea that S.K did apperances in his films??? I knew that M. Night Shymalan (sp?) does now and then, and thought he was among the few that did. YES YES YES, let's go visit Maine!!! I woiuld LOVE to go back and to see the people I grew to love there again!! (and to see S.K). I would shake his hand, but would stand back in the shadows taking pictures of you talking to him, etc. He is ok, but not one on my list of people to meet. I have one or two that are on my list that would give me a dead on heart attack to even be in the same room with-so I know what you mean!!! I have never seen the "Shining" or "The Stand." I know that Jack Nicholson became famous from that movie, and "redrum." I wished we lived close enough where we could get together some night with popcorn, and have a S.K movie night!!! I get too freaked out watching those kind of movies living alone. It is WAY more fun (and less freaky) with friends.

ok before I can allow you to main you must read some more SK books so you know who you are dealing with. read about 5 more and we can go. you will love it there. and we can have movie night with popcorn while we stay there but you must know more and watch for him in his movies.......SK. IMO sara

Super Volcano · #25 02-03-2009, 03:39 AM

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ok before I can allow you to main you must read some more SK books so you know who you are dealing with. read about 5 more and we can go. you will love it there. and we can have movie night with popcorn while we stay there but you must know more and watch for him in his movies.......SK. IMO sara

The Shining, and the Stand (the one Karin mentioned) sound like ones I would probably see first. I heard too much freaky stuff about Pet Cemetery and probably won't see that one...but yea, the trip to Maine would be fun!!! I think I might be a little bit more star struck if I ever did meet S.K, than I admit to.........

I would have trouble breathing, and keeping my composure, if I ever met Michael Jordan, or Will Smith.

SaraSidle · #26 02-03-2009, 04:14 AM

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The Shining, and the Stand (the one Karin mentioned) sound like ones I would probably see first. I heard too much freaky stuff about Pet Cemetery and probably won't see that one...but yea, the trip to Maine would be fun!!! I think I might be a little bit more star struck if I ever did meet S.K, than I admit to.........

I would have trouble breathing, and keeping my composure, if I ever met Michael Jordan, or Will Smith.

I gave you those to read and I need to add CarrieSalems Lot IT. let me know when you are done with these and you cannot cheat with the movies or cliff notes girlfriend. Also try Dead Zone. You must thing outside the box before we go to Maine. you are a scientist so it will not be easy. sara

Super Volcano · #27 02-03-2009, 11:49 AM

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I gave you those to read and I need to add CarrieSalems Lot IT. let me know when you are done with these and you cannot cheat with the movies or cliff notes girlfriend. Also try Dead Zone. You must thing outside the box before we go to Maine. you are a scientist so it will not be easy. sara

Ok, got it!!! I have seen the movie "Carrie" a LONG time ago at some Halloween party. It was weird that John Travolta was in that!!! No the scientist stuff won't be the problem, the nightmares that come after will be the problem instead!!! I have a vivid imagination.

SaraSidle · #28 02-04-2009, 11:55 PM

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Ok, got it!!! I have seen the movie "Carrie" a LONG time ago at some Halloween party. It was weird that John Travolta was in that!!! No the scientist stuff won't be the problem, the nightmares that come after will be the problem instead!!! I have a vivid imagination.

LOL SV you are so funny. I do not want you to have nightmares please. working with dinosaurs can be nightmare enough. just enjoy! sara

Drumbum · #29 02-05-2009, 01:49 AM

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I gave you those to read and I need to add CarrieSalems Lot IT. let me know when you are done with these and you cannot cheat with the movies or cliff notes girlfriend. Also try Dead Zone. You must thing outside the box before we go to Maine. you are a scientist so it will not be easy. sara

Carrie almost never was coz he threw it out, but his wife rescued it. Good wifey, she is.

Super Volcano · #30 02-05-2009, 03:37 AM

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LOL SV you are so funny. I do not want you to have nightmares please. working with dinosaurs can be nightmare enough. just enjoy! sara

HAHA I love your replies to everything. You are just SO funny (and smart to boot

) It is the paranormal stuff that scares me...I know there are good spirits around us all of the time, it is the "other" ones that freak me out, and I try not to invite them in!!!! (if you know what I mean) Watching scary stuff with someone else to laugh at it with seems to not make it as spooky.....

SaraSidle · #31 02-05-2009, 10:13 PM

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HAHA I love your replies to everything. You are just SO funny (and smart to boot

) It is the paranormal stuff that scares me...I know there are good spirits around us all of the time, it is the "other" ones that freak me out, and I try not to invite them in!!!! (if you know what I mean) Watching scary stuff with someone else to laugh at it with seems to not make it as spooky.....

Well just so you know the "other ones" I ignore because they are helpless and just need to feel like they can scare you. Much like humans. And they no longer bother me. there is a movie about a haunted house with Liam Neeson in it and it really puts it in perspective. catch it if you can sweetie and you will become brave. you do not need to watch it alone though. sara

Super Volcano · #32 02-05-2009, 10:54 PM

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Well just so you know the "other ones" I ignore because they are helpless and just need to feel like they can scare you. Much like humans. And they no longer bother me. there is a movie about a haunted house with Liam Neeson in it and it really puts it in perspective. catch it if you can sweetie and you will become brave. you do not need to watch it alone though. sara

Are you talking about the new one with Liam Neeson called "Taken?" That looks really good, and scary!!! Thanks for your support, and advice, you are awesome.