10 Questions About the Case

[Zingo]

Hi, I'm new here. I have been fascinated with this case, but I am not much into downloading legal documents and video. All of my knowledge of the case comes from watching NG/GVS, etc. (and perusing message boards like this one).

So, I have some lingering questions that maybe some of you web detectives can answer from your research:

1. Was George telling the truth about seeing KC on the 16th at 12:50? (Any evidence that this was a lie?)

2. Where did KC go everyday that she was supposedly at work?

3. Where was Caylee during the day?

4. Where was Caylee at night?

5. Where did George and Cindy think KC was going on the 16th? (conflicting stories here?)

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative).

7. Why do you think the state is going for pre-meditated murder?

8. How did KC come up with Zenaida Fernando Gonzales?

9. Why couldn't the meter reader lead the detective to Caylee's remains in August if he saw them?

10. When does the state think Caylee actually died? (when do you think?

[One2Snoop]

I'll try to answer best I can....

1. No evidence that I'm aware of that it was a lie.

2. I've read that she hung out at Lee's place during the day - besides that not sure.

3.

4. Casey, Cindy and the car?

5. I didn't know there was a conflict in their statements. I'd have to go back and re read it.

6. Not sure how it weaves into the story other than KC was trying to lie her way out of not being home - really not sure though.

7. Duct tape/heart on the tape - they must have more we haven't seen.

8. Speculation is she saw her at Sawgrass apartments. Also there's a Zenaida who lives in the neighborhood and a Gonzales - really not sure about that either.

9. He called 3 times/3days in a row. I did hear him make a statement about wanting to remain anonymous - but I guess that didn't work out. I don't recall why he didn't wait or if he ever gave a response to that question.

10. I think June 16th. The state -

LOL well I guess I wasn't much help - welcome to CL.

[Zingo]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I'll try to answer best I can....

1. No evidence that I'm aware of that it was a lie.

2. I've read that she hung out at Lee's place during the day - besides that not sure.

3.

4. Casey, Cindy and the car?

5. I didn't know there was a conflict in their statements. I'd have to go back and re read it.

6. Not sure how it weaves into the story other than KC was trying to lie her way out of not being home - really not sure though.

7. Duct tape/heart on the tape - they must have more we haven't seen.

8. Speculation is she saw her at Sawgrass apartments. Also there's a Zenaida who lives in the neighborhood and a Gonzales - really not sure about that either.

9. He called 3 times/3days in a row. I did hear him make a statement about wanting to remain anonymous - but I guess that didn't work out. I don't recall why he didn't wait or if he ever gave a response to that question.

10. I think June 16th. The state -

LOL well I guess I wasn't much help - welcome to CL.

Thanks ... I guess we're all pretty much in the dark -- until the made-for-TV movie comes out. LOL

[John Cauthen]

Where did Casey go everyday that she was supposedly at work? Where was Casey at night?

Those are the best questions of all. Most of Casey’s Internet activity was to Orlando escort services. That was reported by a graphic on Nancy Grace, but no one talked about it. It seems Casey was working as a party girl or escort in the Orlando area. Neither of her parents had very good jobs. Her father was a security guard, and he had $50,000 in gambling debts. Casey seemed to be working for escort services and giving her parents the money. That’s how her mother and father could make it financially.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

Where did Casey go everyday that she was supposedly at work? Where was Casey at night?

Those are the best questions of all. Most of Casey’s Internet activity was to Orlando escort services. That was reported by a graphic on Nancy Grace, but no one talked about it. It seems Casey was working as a party girl or escort in the Orlando area. Neither of her parents had very good jobs. Her father was a security guard, and he had $50,000 in gambling debts. Casey seemed to be working for escort services and giving her parents the money. That’s how her mother and father could make it financially.

Are you stating this as fact or is it your opinion? We've not heard or seen any evidence indicating what you've proposed. Surely with as much digging as the media has done in this case there would've been a leak of some sort indicating such activity. JMO

Welcome to CL.

[Zingo]

I see Casey as too lazy and unmotivated to be a professional escort. Those high-end call girls are all business (from what I hear ... LOL). I can't see Casey doing anything other than mooching off her family, friends, boyfriends and pretending to be an "event planner."

I don't think she is nearly sophisticated enough to have a secret life as a call girl. She just likes to party, and finds other people to foot the bill.

Oh, and with Leonard's bombshell tonight, we now know that Casey left on the 15th, and Caylee was never seen again. (That's question #1) ... Yes, I know LP is full of himself, but his theory makes so much sense.

[John Cauthen]

If the press knows Casey was a high-end call girl and was giving her money to her parents, that would make Casey look good. The press doesn't pass along anything that would make her look good.

I came up with this theory on my own because Nancy Grace did a graphic that showed Casey had many visits to Orlando escort sites. And I believe it because her parents didn't have good enough jobs to support the normal way they were living in a regular neighborhood.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

If the press knows Casey was a high-end call girl and was giving her money to her parents, that would make Casey look good. The press doesn't pass along anything that would make her look good.

I came up with this theory on my own because Nancy Grace did a graphic that showed Casey had many visits to Orlando escort sites. And I believe it because her parents didn't have good enough jobs to support the normal way they were living in a regular neighborhood.

Casey may have been toying with the idea of doing that. However, there were about 40 of those on the search in areas that were out of state. Are we to believe that she worked at all 40 and was just pulling in the dough, yet still stealing from Amy, her parents and grandparents and mooching off everybody. Not to be nasty but if that is your theory it does not really make sense that she would be stealing so often if she was rolling in the dough so much that she was supporting her parents. She was doing too much stealing to be supporting her parents. Also I agree it is not in her personality to have any job, legal or illegal and i totally disagree that the press would know this and keep it a secret because it makes her look good. Does the name Amy Fischer ring a bell? She slept with a few guys as an amateur prostitute. When they found out about one guy, just one guy, the media had it all over the place. It would be such a great sensational angle to this story, media wise if they could find out about it, they would run with it.. I have seen nothing to support this.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by Zingo

Hi, I'm new here. I have been fascinated with this case, but I am not much into downloading legal documents and video. All of my knowledge of the case comes from watching NG/GVS, etc. (and perusing message boards like this one).

So, I have some lingering questions that maybe some of you web detectives can answer from your research:

1. Was George telling the truth about seeing KC on the 16th at 12:50? (Any evidence that this was a lie?) mu8shark I see no evidence that this was a lie as there was no reason for it and phone records put her back in her parents house a few hours later

2. Where did KC go everyday that she was supposedly at work? mu8shark good question

3. Where was Caylee during the day? mu8shark unknown

4. Where was Caylee at night?mu8shark

5. Where did George and Cindy think KC was going on the 16th? (conflicting stories here?) mu8shark Neither knew she was supposedly working and I don't think either really knew. I do not recall any conflicting stories.

6. What's the deal with Zanny the Nanny being in an accident in Jacksonville, according to KC? (I know it's a lie, but I'm not sure how this story plays into KC's narrative). mu8shark I think she told her Dad that when she was looking for an excuse to be out of town supposedly for so long. She told George this on the 24th of June and Cindy was retelling it in an interview to police even knowing that Casey supposedly disappeared on the 16th with Zanny and both were never seen again.

7. Why do you think the state is going for pre-meditated murder? mu8shark I think the duct tape did it and the fact that she looked up chloroform monthis in advance and then there were massive quantities found in the trunk.

8. How did KC come up with Zenaida Fernando Gonzales?mu8shark I think she saw her card at Sawgrass that day that Zenaida was looking for an apartment and she even saw what car she got into . That is just my opinion.

9. Why couldn't the meter reader lead the detective to Caylee's remains in August if he saw them?mu8shark He saw a suspicous bag , he never claims in any of the 911 calls that he saw a body or bones or anything like that until Dec 11. Also he reports the bag was white and grey in Aug and the bones were actually found in a black bag with a yellow tie. It is my opinion, the meter reader did not even have the right bag until Dec 11.

10. When does the state think Caylee actually died? (when do you think?

mu8shark The state claims she died on the 16th and I agree. They put her in her parents house from about 2-4pm roughly and Caylee was not with her that night when she went to Tonys nor on film when they went to Blockbuster. She also made a flurry of calls from on or around her parents house after 3 11 pm that day to her Mom and Dad .

[John Cauthen]

Originally Posted by javahog

Yeah, if she were floating the family, why steal her own money back?

If we can establish she was working as a paid party girl; then, the fact that she suddenly ran out of money after Caylee disappeared would say a lot. It would say her employers suddenly cut off her funding when she was searching for Caylee.

Her mother said the famous photo we see of her partying after Caylee disappeared was done as a promotion for a club. Casey was paid for that photo.

Casey is being quiet about everything.

Casey was always so secretive about her job even to close friends before anything happened, I think she was laundering her money in her parent's bank account, which would have meant she was not stealing. She may have been taking out her own money.

It all hinges on whether or not she was being paid as a party girl, which would not be as lucrative as a high-end call girl.

If she was being paid by some Orlando area entertainment company; then, why did a $4000 check she gave her mother bounce and she ran out of money when she started looking for Caylee? Why would that matter enough to her employer to cut off funding and maybe stop payment on a check during the 30 days she was looking for Caylee?

Who was her employer? Or, was she really as irresponsible a person as they all say?

Unlike Amy Fischer, it makes Casey look worse if she was not a hooker.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

If we can establish she was working as a paid party girl; then, the fact that she suddenly ran out of money after Caylee disappeared would say a lot. It would say her employers suddenly cut off her funding when she was searching for Caylee.

Her mother said the famous photo we see of her partying after Caylee disappeared was done as a promotion for a club. Casey was paid for that photo.

Casey is being quiet about everything.

Casey was always so secretive about her job even to close friends before anything happened, I think she was laundering her money in her parent's bank account, which would have meant she was not stealing. She may have been taking out her own money.

It all hinges on whether or not she was being paid as a party girl, which would not be as lucrative as a high-end call girl.

If she was being paid by some Orlando area entertainment company; then, why did a $4000 check she gave her mother bounce and she ran out of money when she started looking for Caylee? Why would that matter enough to her employer to cut off funding and maybe stop payment on a check during the 30 days she was looking for Caylee?

Who was her employer? Or, was she really as irresponsible a person as they all say?

Unlike Amy Fischer, it makes Casey look worse if she was not a hooker.

I've never heard this before. Do you have a link that shows this info about the $4,000?

Casey hasn't worked since early 2006 - verified by Orange County Law Enforcement.

[John Cauthen]

No, I just heard that a $4000 check she gave to Cindy bounced. I think Cindy said it.

"Casey hasn't worked since early 2006 - verified by Orange County Law Enforcement."

That would only cover legal businesses. Casey was super secretive, even with her friends. She's super secretive even today when the fact that she may have worked in an illegal business could help her case.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

If we can establish she was working as a paid party girl; then, the fact that she suddenly ran out of money after Caylee disappeared would say a lot. It would say her employers suddenly cut off her funding when she was searching for Caylee.

Her mother said the famous photo we see of her partying after Caylee disappeared was done as a promotion for a club. Casey was paid for that photo.

Casey is being quiet about everything.

Casey was always so secretive about her job even to close friends before anything happened, I think she was laundering her money in her parent's bank account, which would have meant she was not stealing. She may have been taking out her own money.

It all hinges on whether or not she was being paid as a party girl, which would not be as lucrative as a high-end call girl.

If she was being paid by some Orlando area entertainment company; then, why did a $4000 check she gave her mother bounce and she ran out of money when she started looking for Caylee? Why would that matter enough to her employer to cut off funding and maybe stop payment on a check during the 30 days she was looking for Caylee?

Who was her employer? Or, was she really as irresponsible a person as they all say?

Unlike Amy Fischer, it makes Casey look worse if she was not a hooker.

Okay John you will probably get tired of me on here but first of all she was not paid for those photos. The photographer and the club owner said she was never employed by them, ever. ! Cindy then changed the story to say Casey was posing for a liquior company and got paid but again the photographer who took the photo said Casey was a girl at the club period. Also the 4,000 you are talking about was not a check that bounced. According to Georges interview she gave Cindy and George a deposit slip for 4,000 showing she had deposited that in their account supposedly to pay back money she stole. Here is the big kicker LE looked at their bank records and George admitted that he was amazed she had made the deposit slip look so realistic but the bank records show she did not put any money in their account, not even one dollar, much less four grand. LE ask George how he thinks she doctored it and he talks about her being good on the computer. But LE and the Anthonys both know the deposit slip turned out to be bogus. It is clearly in Georges interviews. She was not looking for Caylee, she went to Target and shopped with Amys stolen money, she stole a Pennys card from her mother and she cooked and cleaned for Tony. She went to clubs every Friday night, At what point was she looking for her daughter??? Unless she was checking the various establishment bathrooms for Zenaida and Caylee. Not one friend recalls her ever even asking one single question anywhere when they were clubbing asking any Zanny nor Caylee. The people she supposedly told that Caylee had been kidnapped, one did not exist , the other has no idea what she is referring to. How can you explain that Cindy paid for everything? Doctors visits, toys, food, and George paid some utility bills. Why would her mother be dogging her for not making a dime and contributing to the household if she was pulling in big escort bucks You know the media is pretty saavy and looooves hooker stories. If anyone is a hooker the media would not cover up for them. I think frankly this is somewhat naive. . You know the tabloids would love this escort/hooker angle. I have to admit I did wonder if she was doing this and thus the searches. I also considered that she did not know the father of Caylee because it was a client, however, once I realized that all of the evidence pointed to her being a lazy, stealing , shiftless, sociopath who leeched off of everybody else, I discounted it. Also if she was working for one escort service why would she be looking at all of those escort services. At the most she would be looking at a few not all those listed on the searches. As I said some were out of state. Are we to believe she was jetting all around to escort services around the country? Casey was not secretive about her job, she simply lied and said she was an event planner at Universal. It may be your theory but there was no 4.000 check nor was she paid to pose for those photos. Now if you choose to believe Casey and think everyone else is lying that is one thing, but this smacks of a wild conspiracy theory , don't ya think?

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I've never heard this before. Do you have a link that shows this info about the $4,000?

[[b]Casey hasn't worked since early 2006 - verified by Orange County Law Enforcement.

And LE certainly has enough connections in vice to ascertain if Casey was doing this , even if it is illegal. Casey is not smart enough to pull this off and have the media never stumble upon it and for LE not to find out. They have scrutinized every facet of her life so that is a good point. LE would know if she was employed especially in vice.

[mu8shark]

Also I was rereading a summary of one of Georges interviews and there was a point where Casey said she was working for the Sports Authority and she was robbed at gunpoint of 4,000 dollars. Turns out she was not working for the Sports Authority nor was she robbed. George and LE checked this out as well.

[lighthousedazy]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

And LE certainly has enough connections in vice to ascertain if Casey was doing this , even if it is illegal. Casey is not smart enough to pull this off and have the media never stumble upon it and for LE not to find out. They have scrutinized every facet of her life so that is a good point. LE would know if she was employed especially in vice.

I definately agree with you. As much as I detest the escort business, those girls have to be intelligent and have a lot of business sense, and LE would have no problem finding out this info in a NY minute. As far as caysee floating Cindy, registered nurses make about 25 to 50+ dollars an hour. If I was an employed registered nurse, I would not need to be floated, especially in the south, where the COL is less than say up north. jmo

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

Also I was rereading a summary of one of Georges interviews and there was a point where Casey said she was working for the Sports Authority and she was robbed at gunpoint of 4,000 dollars. Turns out she was not working for the Sports Authority nor was she robbed. George and LE checked this out as well.

Ahhh I do remember this now that you mention it.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by lighthousedazy

I definately agree with you. As much as I detest the escort business, those girls have to be intelligent and have a lot of business sense, and LE would have no problem finding out this info in a NY minute. As far as caysee floating Cindy, registered nurses make about 25 to 50+ dollars an hour. If I was an employed registered nurse, I would not need to be floated, especially in the south, where the COL is less than say up north. jmo

I agree LHD.

Do any of you remember in one of the video's Cindy told Casey she didn't have to work and she could stay home and take care of Caylee?

[mu8shark]

Since it is kind of frowned upon to post other message boards posters posts I will just post the url where someone else refers to this fake deposit slip from one of the interviews. I knew I remembered that although I have to be honest I am now wondering if the amount was 4,000 or 1400.oo but will check that. Anyways other poster read this as well. http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2...te-7-november/., About halfway through post talking about fake deposit slip

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I agree LHD.

Do any of you remember in one of the video's Cindy told Casey she didn't have to work and she could stay home and take care of Caylee?

Yes I remember that and as much as you all know I dislike Cindy I do not suspect her or George of just pimping their 22 year old daughter out so she can float them money. I would not go that far. LOL. And you all know how I feel about Cindy! Besides everybody said they argued about Casey non contribution to the household, the extended family talks about it email, the neighbors mention it in the arguement they heard, George refers to it. And allegedly Cindy told the counselor about it.

[Zingo]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

Okay John you will probably get tired of me on here but first of all she was not paid for those photos. The photographer and the club owner said she was never employed by them, ever. ! Cindy then changed the story to say Casey was posing for a liquior company and got paid but again the photographer who took the photo said Casey was a girl at the club period. Also the 4,000 you are talking about was not a check that bounced. According to Georges interview she gave Cindy and George a deposit slip for 4,000 showing she had deposited that in their account supposedly to pay back money she stole. Here is the big kicker LE looked at their bank records and George admitted that he was amazed she had made the deposit slip look so realistic but the bank records show she did not put any money in their account, not even one dollar, much less four grand. LE ask George how he thinks she doctored it and he talks about her being good on the computer. But LE and the Anthonys both know the deposit slip turned out to be bogus. It is clearly in Georges interviews. She was not looking for Caylee, she went to Target and shopped with Amys stolen money, she stole a Pennys card from her mother and she cooked and cleaned for Tony. She went to clubs every Friday night, At what point was she looking for her daughter??? Unless she was checking the various establishment bathrooms for Zenaida and Caylee. Not one friend recalls her ever even asking one single question anywhere when they were clubbing asking any Zanny nor Caylee. The people she supposedly told that Caylee had been kidnapped, one did not exist , the other has no idea what she is referring to. How can you explain that Cindy paid for everything? Doctors visits, toys, food, and George paid some utility bills. Why would her mother be dogging her for not making a dime and contributing to the household if she was pulling in big escort bucks You know the media is pretty saavy and looooves hooker stories. If anyone is a hooker the media would not cover up for them. I think frankly this is somewhat naive. . You know the tabloids would love this escort/hooker angle. I have to admit I did wonder if she was doing this and thus the searches. I also considered that she did not know the father of Caylee because it was a client, however, once I realized that all of the evidence pointed to her being a lazy, stealing , shiftless, sociopath who leeched off of everybody else, I discounted it. Also if she was working for one escort service why would she be looking at all of those escort services. At the most she would be looking at a few not all those listed on the searches. As I said some were out of state. Are we to believe she was jetting all around to escort services around the country? Casey was not secretive about her job, she simply lied and said she was an event planner at Universal. It may be your theory but there was no 4.000 check nor was she paid to pose for those photos. Now if you choose to believe Casey and think everyone else is lying that is one thing, but this smacks of a wild conspiracy theory , don't ya think?

Bravo! Excellent response MU.

Casey definitely was having a lot of sex -- but not ambitious enough to get paid for it, IMHO.

Back to the date of death. I still have a hard time reconciling that George saw Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th. It makes SO much more sense that Casey stormed out with Caylee the night of the big family fight (we know this only because the neighbors heard it, right - no one from the family admits it?)

Casey is volatile. She needs a "trigger" ... The threat of having Cindy take Caylee away was the trigger, and she decided to get rid of Caylee for good. (I still don't understand how at midnight she could have had the foresight to bring duct tape with her when she stormed out.

It's possible that she just decided that night to commit the murder, but waited until the next day. She is that ruthless. I definitely believe that.

[mu8shark]

Here is the NG transcript of Nov 7 where the bogus slip is mentioned in George's interview. It was taken straight from his interview that they played on air. ANTHONY: Right. Because when she started coming clean with the money she was taking, and this and that coming up, yes, she balled. I mean she literally balled. She didn`t -- because we just kept on catching her in stuff.

I`ll tell you one thing, I don`t know how one time she made a $4400 or $4,000 deposit into my wife`s account. We still don`t know how she did it. It looked very real, you know, the carbon copy type of thing, and it looked real. End quote and interview snippet

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

Here is the NG transcript of Nov 7 where the bogus slip is mentioned in George's interview. It was taken straight from his interview that they played on air. ANTHONY: Right. Because when she started coming clean with the money she was taking, and this and that coming up, yes, she balled. I mean she literally balled. She didn`t -- because we just kept on catching her in stuff.

I`ll tell you one thing, I don`t know how one time she made a $4400 or $4,000 deposit into my wife`s account. We still don`t know how she did it. It looked very real, you know, the carbon copy type of thing, and it looked real. End quote and interview snippet

Thanks - I just pm'd you the link LOL.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by Zingo

Bravo! Excellent response MU.

Casey definitely was having a lot of sex -- but not ambitious enough to get paid for it, IMHO.

Back to the date of death. I still have a hard time reconciling that George saw Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th. It makes SO much more sense that Casey stormed out with Caylee the night of the big family fight (we know this only because the neighbors heard it, right - no one from the family admits it?)

Casey is volatile. She needs a "trigger" ... The threat of having Cindy take Caylee away was the trigger, and she decided to get rid of Caylee for good. (I still don't understand how at midnight she could have had the foresight to bring duct tape with her when she stormed out.

It's possible that she just decided that night to commit the murder, but waited until the next day. She is that ruthless. I definitely believe that.

Here is my thinking if she stormed out that night in a huff she stewed and stewed and got madder and madder overnight. She settled into a determined and calculated rage. I don't think she stormed out and remembered to take take the wtp blanket, the stickers, the horsey and garbage bags and tape and then took her elsewhere. I think she played it cool, came back at some point, left in her little fake "Going to work ploy, waited for George to leave and came back into the house with a very alive Caylee and killed her and rounded up the blanket, the tape, the bag, the sticker, etc, etc. I just don't think when you run out in a huff that night you remember to take all that stuff. Not one friend says she stayed with them on the night of the 15th, no boyfriends, no hotel check in, not Lee, nothing and I can't imagine Casey spending the night in her car. Someone would have come forward to contradict this story and say"Yeah Casey stayed with me that night. George is wrong. " Nobody did and her friends have been pretty forthcoming. Just my thinking.

[John Cauthen]

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

John the point is you say that Casey had wild explanations. Yes she did. Read the interviews with George and Cindy and the emails from the family. If you really look at the people who know her and the LE documents with interviews with her friends you will see a pattern, Casey lied and lied and lied about everything, She told wild stories. That is what she did. It is not that our stories are unbelievable, hers were. I am telling you LE would know if she had a job, legal or illegal and the vice departments could send out all kinds of feelers on whether she was this escort sevice whiz. You hit the nail on the head with two of your statements one, she was just having irresponsibile fun while living with her parents and yes most of us believe she is the horrible person we believe who killed that child. You can believe your theory of course, but there is zero evidence to point to it. I'm just saying..... LE has released probably a thousand pages of documents that show that they did a very thorough investigation, I don't think they would have missed this scenario of her being the true bread winner or being employed by the mafia. ! Sometimes things are just what they seem.

[applesandorange]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

Casey wasn't working. Period. End of story. She stole from family and freinds to get what she wanted. George and Cindy live the life style because of having credit cards. I know lots of people who live beyond their means with credit cards. My mom always said we could have had a bigger better house but she wanted to have money to actually do things. Just because they have a nice house and vehicles means they have money. JMO

[lighthousedazy]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

Ok John, I have a 22 year old. He is brilliant bookwise, but not so much street wise. Come back down to earth. Even the mafia is not in to baby killing. caysee was into having fun and all for the pleasure of herself only. jmo

[Zingo]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

If most of what you just said is true, then Casey is the no-good person who would kill her daughter just like they say she did.

But look at the believability of your stories: Casey was so computer savvy she forged a deposit slip to steal money from her parents. George said she was robbed at gunpoint of $4000 when working at Sports Authority. Those are wild explanations!

I believe George was possibly being kept in the dark about Casey's real work, if Casey worked in the sex business, so George may not have known where the money was coming from, and didn't want to know, hence the wild explanations because his beautiful daughter couldn't be a...

An easy question is, where was Cindy working and how much was she making? That information isn't available to us.

If she was making $40,000 a year and George was making $15,000 as a security guard, then they could have gotten by, maybe. But George had a $50,000 debt from gambling, so that would make it even harder for three people and a child to get by in a comfortable middle class way with three cars and a house on $55,000 to $65,000 a year.

Was Casey just picking up guys and having irresponsible fun while living with her parents?

If a girl is having that much fun, it's not much of a stretch to conclude she would take the bother to get paid for it. And if she wasn't getting paid for it, she really is an utterly worthless person, and her parents who are saints can work magic with their budget, and Casey really can forge perfectly believable deposit slips!

And if LE agrees that is the most likely scenario, and the clubs absolutely deny she worked for them, then I have to wonder who the heck were these people she worked for? They could be bigger than the Mafia.

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

Nurses make decent money ... ... Between Cindy and George, they lived a middle class life. I'm sure they had a lot of debt, judging on all the stuff they had in their house, and their backyard, and vehicles.

I wouldn't put it past Casey to be involved in something shady. But whatever she was doing, she wasn't good enough at it to be self-sufficient.

[applesandorange]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

John the point is you say that Casey had wild explanations. Yes she did. Read the interviews with George and Cindy and the emails from the family. If you really look at the people who know her and the LE documents with interviews with her friends you will see a pattern, Casey lied and lied and lied about everything, She told wild stories. That is what she did. It is not that our stories are unbelievable, hers were. I am telling you LE would know if she had a job, legal or illegal and the vice departments could send out all kinds of feelers on whether she was this escort sevice whiz. You hit the nail on the head with two of your statements one, she was just having irresponsibile fun while living with her parents and yes most of us believe she is the horrible person we believe who killed that child. You can believe your theory of course, but there is zero evidence to point to it. I'm just saying..... LE has released probably a thousand pages of documents that show that they did a very thorough investigation, I don't think they would have missed this scenario of her being the true bread winner or being employed by the mafia. ! Sometimes things are just what they seem.

Good to have you back MU. I missed you while you were gone.

ITA with your entire post. IF Casey had a job we'd all know about it. AND IF she had a job she would have had to have a REAL nanny. Which we KNOW she didn't.

[One2Snoop]

Now the rational question is, who was Casey working for? Where was the family money coming from?

The rational answer to that is, CINDY WAS WORKING and WAS THE BREAD WINNER.
CASEY PLAYED STAY AT HOME MOM BECAUSE CINDY TOLD HER SHE COULD!

CASEY STOLE MONEY FROM HER PARENTS, HER BROTHER, HER BROTHERS BEST FRIEND, HER GRANDPARENTS AND HER FRIENDS.

CINDY TOOK OUT OVER $25,000 FROM HER 401K TO PAY BACK DEBTS because of CASEY.

THATS IT!

[mu8shark]

Thanks A and O , I missed everybody on here as well. !!

[One2Snoop]

They could be bigger than the Mafia.

OMG! I think you might be on to something! Not!
Seriously thats just about the most ridiculous scenario I've read yet.

I can't take it anymore. Goodnight all!

[One2Snoop]

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[One2Snoop]

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[John Cauthen]

Originally Posted by lighthousedazy

Even the mafia is not in to baby killing.

There are people who are into child exploitation; who are worse than the Mafia, and those people would take and kill a little girl.

All her lawyers have to do is prove Casey was connected with those kinds of people, and there, they have established reasonable doubt.

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CINDY WAS WORKING and WAS THE BREAD WINNER.
CASEY PLAYED STAY AT HOME MOM BECAUSE CINDY TOLD HER SHE COULD!
CASEY STOLE MONEY FROM HER PARENTS, HER BROTHER, HER BROTHERS BEST FRIEND, HER GRANDPARENTS AND HER FRIENDS.
CINDY TOOK OUT OVER $25,000 FROM HER 401K TO PAY BACK DEBTS because of CASEY.
THATS IT!"
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All of that may be physically and financially impossible without monetary contributions from Casey. Cindy may not have been satisfied that her contributions were enough. Casey may not have been working very hard, but she could have been working for sleazy people, putting the money in her mother's account. The entire truth may have been hidden from George, who couldn't take it.

A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to the fact that she might have been connected with people who also exploit children. We don't know that yet, and no one is talking. Casey admits she is hiding the truth.

Maybe they think they can spring that story cold at trial, which they can't. If it's true, they need to start now, and prove she was working for such people, who cut off her funds when she was looking for Caylee, so that Casey begged, borrowed, and stole money at one point.

Remember this happened around DisneyWorld, which has to be the epicenter of people who like to exploit children.

And that angle makes this story even bigger and more dramatic.

[lighthousedazy]

I respect your opinion JC, but I think the people that exploit children are only in it for themselves and work alone, (not mafia). jmo

[applesandorange]

Originally Posted by John Cauthen

There are people who are into child exploitation; who are worse than the Mafia, and those people would take and kill a little girl.

All her lawyers have to do is prove Casey was connected with those kinds of people, and there, they have established reasonable doubt.

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CINDY WAS WORKING and WAS THE BREAD WINNER.
CASEY PLAYED STAY AT HOME MOM BECAUSE CINDY TOLD HER SHE COULD!
CASEY STOLE MONEY FROM HER PARENTS, HER BROTHER, HER BROTHERS BEST FRIEND, HER GRANDPARENTS AND HER FRIENDS.
CINDY TOOK OUT OVER $25,000 FROM HER 401K TO PAY BACK DEBTS because of CASEY.
THATS IT!"
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All of that may be physically and financially impossible without monetary contributions from Casey. Cindy may not have been satisfied that her contributions were enough. Casey may not have been working very hard, but she could have been working for sleazy people, putting the money in her mother's account. The entire truth may have been hidden from George, who couldn't take it.

A great deal of circumstantial evidence points to the fact that she might have been connected with people who also exploit children. We don't know that yet, and no one is talking. Casey admits she is hiding the truth.

Maybe they think they can spring that story cold at trial, which they can't. If it's true, they need to start now, and prove she was working for such people, who cut off her funds when she was looking for Caylee, so that Casey begged, borrowed, and stole money at one point.

Remember this happened around DisneyWorld, which has to be the epicenter of people who like to exploit children.

And that angle makes this story even bigger and more dramatic.

Okay 1. What kind of reasonable doubt is there when all of the evidence is either in the car or linked back to the A's house? Even the dirt samples can be linked.

#2. LE has come out and said they know Casey was the only person involved in Caylee's murder.

#3 What the heck are you taling about a great deal of circumstancial evidence proves Casey was working for those kind of people? What circumstancial evidence points to that? All the circumstancial evidence IMO points to Casey killing Caylee out of spit towards her mom and because Caylee was a cramp on her lifestyle. It says she duct taped her mouth, put a heart sticker on it, chloroformed her, wrapped her in a blanket inside the house, placed her in a laundry bag then a trash bag, tried to bury her in the backyard, changed her mind, put her in the trunk, dumped her body in the woods. After that the pics and friends say she was partying and even got a tattoo that meand "beautiful life". Who the heck would party and get that tattoo if they were messed up with *those* kind of people and KNOW *those* kind of people have their child?

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by applesandorange

Okay 1. What kind of reasonable doubt is there when all of the evidence is either in the car or linked back to the A's house? Even the dirt samples can be linked.

#2. LE has come out and said they know Casey was the only person involved in Caylee's murder.

#3 What the heck are you taling about a great deal of circumstancial evidence proves Casey was working for those kind of people? What circumstancial evidence points to that? All the circumstancial evidence IMO points to Casey killing Caylee out of spit towards her mom and because Caylee was a cramp on her lifestyle. It says she duct taped her mouth, put a heart sticker on it, chloroformed her, wrapped her in a blanket inside the house, placed her in a laundry bag then a trash bag, tried to bury her in the backyard, changed her mind, put her in the trunk, dumped her body in the woods. After that the pics and friends say she was partying and even got a tattoo that meand "beautiful life". Who the heck would party and get that tattoo if they were messed up with *those* kind of people and KNOW *those* kind of people have their child?

I completely agree with you A and O. There is not a great deal of evidence that connects Casey to these types of people at all. In fact there is nothing, zilch, nada, butkus. John I would not find it hard to believe that alot of stuff was hidden from George but it would be impossible for LE to do an investigation with such depth and miss all of this. It would literally be impossible that they would not have a clue. You can't rewrite the evidence and make it something to fit your theory. First she was a prostitute or an escort and now that that theory has hit the dust, she is involved in some pedophile mafia type ring. You have to have some sort of evidence , links to documents, financial records, something. If they were to bring this theory up as reasonable doubt, I would be delighted because it is hogwash and any reasonable juror would see through it. Really now I think we are being flamed with wild defense theories.

[John Cauthen]

Jesse said he heard Caylee in the background during a phone conversation on June 24. The decomposition smell was first discovered on June 24. That means Caylee’s voice was heard over the phone while she was in a state of decomposition in the trunk.

One of those two things is not true. Due to tremendous pressure to stick with the official story, Jesse recanted that he heard Caylee over the phone. Okay, but if he purposefully lied about hearing Caylee, was he throwing Casey an alibi? That would have meant he knew about a murder. If he did, then he would probably become the state’s star witness who would now say he knew Casey murdered Caylee.

If he didn’t know exactly what day a murder happened, then he had no reason to lie about hearing Caylee on June 24. That was just an observation he told police.

That innocent observation makes the whole decomposition smell in the trunk look like a sophisticated setup to frame Casey. And remember, I say someone has already blocked payment on a $4000 check when she was trying for 30 days to get Caylee back.

The most normal way to get a realistic deposit slip but not have $4000 in the bank is to deposit a check in the bank, believing it’s good, then have someone block payment on it.

Someone blocked payment on a check and someone may have planted damning evidence in the trunk, but Jesse said he heard Caylee over the phone on June 24 and he had no reason to lie unless he knew about a murder. In that case he would be saying today that he knew about the murder.

Those kinds of inconsistencies pop up all over the place in this case.

As far as proving what Casey was doing, there is no need to speculate, just examine Cindy's bank and credit card records for unexplained money. And George would have been kept in the dark. We see he can't take the truth.

If my theory is wild, Cindy won't have any extra money that didn't come from nursing.