To Kim and Fred Goldman

[abbra]

Dear Kim and Fred,
Always remember " what goes around comes around," and Simpson finally got his. It wasn't the death penalty that he should have gotten but no less I hope he rots in prison. And Fred! I was thinking the same thing about the glove they had Simpson try on.

[William Anthony]

Dear Ms. Kimberly Goldman and Mr. Fred Goldman,

I will not be so presumptuous as some here to think that I may call you by your first name nor will I be so insensitive to think that Simpson's armed robbery conviction should replace the grief you have over the loss of you brother and son, nor will I be so callous as to suggest that I understand your feelings but I do hope that God will intervene in your life and provide you with a peace that will make the remainder of your life as happy as possible. If that peace is seeing
Simpson in the penitentiary, then I hope that ends the suffering you are both undoubtedly enduring.

[utl768]

dear goldmans,

if ur true goal is to see simpson rot in jail id suggest you stop talking as the more u bring up the karma and payback stuff the more fuel you add to the fire that this trial was nothing more then payback for the 95 criminal trial oj was acquitted of

[tv]

Originally Posted by utl768

dear goldmans,

if ur true goal is to see simpson rot in jail id suggest you stop talking as the more u bring up the karma and payback stuff the more fuel you add to the fire that this trial was nothing more then payback for the 95 criminal trial oj was acquitted of

As much as it pains me to say so I don't totally disagree with this statement.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by Joseph Bell

And you might want to use your brain before you post. This message board is also for victims of crime. Or don't they matter to you?

Well Joe,

What you don't know? Of what crime were Ms. Kimberly and Mr. Fred Goldman victims? They were plaintiffs in a tort action, a civil wrong. I think you should think before throwing out insults. In anticipation of what may be your response, if you are able to think about it, the state brings criminal charges to protect society as a whole. That does not make society as a whole victims of crime. It is to protect their interest, or in other words a preventive measure so that they will not become victims of those who have demonstrated the ability to break the law.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Well Joe,

What you don't know? Of what crime were Ms. Kimberly and Mr. Fred Goldman victims? They were plaintiffs in a tort action, a civil wrong. I think you should think before throwing out insults. In anticipation of what may be your response, if you are able to think about it, the state brings criminal charges to protect society as a whole. That does not make society as a whole victims of crime. It is to protect their interest, or in other words a preventive measure so that they will not become victims of those who have demonstrated the ability to break the law.

William

you comments above are a bit too complicated for empty head to understand.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by Joseph Bell

Simpson is in prison where he should be. Show the Goldman and Brown families some respect. Or is respect for them something you don't understand?

Well Joe,

What you don't know. To say that Simpson is in prison for an armed robbery and other crimes committed in Nevada does not show any respect to the Goldmans for the loss of thier family member. The payment of the civil award was to make them whole or to compensate them for the loss of their family member. You equate something to something that Mr. Goldman has not. He has openly admitted that Simpson's incarceration does not end the issue. He has also said that the only happiness he can find is in the fact that his efforts to get Simpson to pay the damages might have contributed to the crime. I think that you should respect what he has said or doesn't that mean anything to you.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by utl768

dear goldmans,

if ur true goal is to see simpson rot in jail id suggest you stop talking as the more u bring up the karma and payback stuff the more fuel you add to the fire that this trial was nothing more then payback for the 95 criminal trial oj was acquitted of

What ever reasoning skills fred may have, goes out the window when a tv camera is in sight. However he is just saying what many think and that is finally oj got his just rewards for the not guilty verdict.imo

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by martin II

William

you comments above are a bit too complicated for empty head to understand.

I have tried to share with him some of the things I have learned through education but he seems unwilling to listen and responds with more insults. I am so unfamiliar with Australian culture but I hope he is not the norm. I once had the opportunity to meet an Aborigine but did not realize the person was an
Aborigine because of my ignorance and the light skin color. I did find them to be very nice and cordial.

[tv]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Well Joe,

What you don't know? Of what crime were Ms. Kimberly and Mr. Fred Goldman victims? They were plaintiffs in a tort action, a civil wrong. I think you should think before throwing out insults. In anticipation of what may be your response, if you are able to think about it, the state brings criminal charges to protect society as a whole. That does not make society as a whole victims of crime. It is to protect their interest, or in other words a preventive measure so that they will not become victims of those who have demonstrated the ability to break the law.

The Goldmans are considered crime victims because their family member was murdered.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

The Goldmans are considered crime victims because their family member was murdered.

Not true. They filed a tort action for wrongful death. That's what they were allowed to file. You and others may consider them victims of crime (the poster's original statement). However, that is not the case. There is not doubt that they suffered because of the crime. Unfortunately, they are not recognized as victims of the crime.

[tv]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Not true. They filed a tort action for wrongful death. That's what they were allowed to file. You and others may consider them victims of crime (the poster's original statement). However, that is not the case. There is not doubt that they suffered because of the crime. Unfortunately, they are not recognized as victims of the crime.

Society accepts victim's families as crime victims also. I didn't say it was a legal concept.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

Society accepts victim's families as crime victims also. I didn't say it was a legal concept.

I did not hear the original poster state that society accepted them as victims of crime but I did hear a definitive statement that they were.

[tv]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

I did not hear the original poster state that society accepted them as victims of crime but I did hear a definitive statement that they were.

I speak for myself about who I consider to be crime victims.

[weezer]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

I speak for myself about who I consider to be crime victims.

both trials were about the deaths of two human beings and both trials had the same defendant on trial and both trials involved the same families.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

both trials were about the deaths of two human beings and both trials had the same defendant on trial and both trials involved the same families.

One trial was criminal and one civil.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

I speak for myself about who I consider to be crime victims.

Oh, I see, you were not attempting to defend what you don't know when you reposted my response to him.

[tv]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Oh, I see, you were not attempting to defend what you don't know when you reposted my response to him.

Families of murdered people are considered to be crime victims. That's a fact.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

Families of murdered people are considered to be crime victims. That's a fact.

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

[tv]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

Don't know.

[weezer]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

do you believe that all victims of violent crimes get money?

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

Don't know.

Me either.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

do you believe that all victims of violent crimes get money?

I believe that those who qualify with the conditions of the Victims of Violent Crimes Act do.

[abbra]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Dear Ms. Kimberly Goldman and Mr. Fred Goldman,

I will not be so presumptuous as some here to think that I may call you by your first name nor will I be so insensitive to think that Simpson's armed robbery conviction should replace the grief you have over the loss of you brother and son, nor will I be so callous as to suggest that I understand your feelings but I do hope that God will intervene in your life and provide you with a peace that will make the remainder of your life as happy as possible. If that peace is seeing
Simpson in the penitentiary, then I hope that ends the suffering you are both undoubtedly enduring.

Dear William, The pain from loss of a loved one never goes away. My 20 year old only daughter, my only child was killed by a drunk driver and left in a ditch to die next to her best friend who was also killed on impact of the car hitting her. My daughters friend was buried on her what was to be wedding day/birthday and my daugther was buried the day after.
The killer got off after only a year in jail for " good behavior." He is now back on my city streets, not even the slightest bit remorseful.
The district attorney and the drunks lawyer plea bargained my daughters life so the drunk only got charge with one sentence of vehicular manslaughter.
I call the Goldmans Kim and Fred for a reason not in disrespect.
The Goldmans and I belong to the same club of grieving families whose bond stands firm, a bond which no other person can understand or feel unless you are in our position. A tragic loss of loved ones rips out pieces of our hearts, leaves us angry, numb or hurting with a void in our lives that can never be filled. Our lives are completely changed from the moment we receive that phone call that any parent or family member dreads.
Fred, Kim and I are victims of violence so horrid that even the passing of time cannot heal us. Whether its a song we hear, a place we are familiar with or anything that reminds us of our departed loved one, it always brings us back to thoughts of those we love.
So I say to you and others and to Kim and Fred... even though this OJ sentence comes late it is not payment for the crime of MURDER OJ committed against the lives of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, Fred Goldmans only son.
It however serves its purpose for the moment because it gets the self centered murderer off the streets and behind bars where he should have been placed a long time ago.
It however is not the appropriate sentence for the Crime of Murder OJ commited against Ron and Nicole so it will always be in both families minds that this murderer got off because justice didn't get served at the murder trial.
This alone cannot bring peace to either family, victims of this heinous murder crime of Ron and Nicole, at the hands of Simpson.
This is only an appeasement.

[abbra]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Not true. They filed a tort action for wrongful death. That's what they were allowed to file. You and others may consider them victims of crime (the poster's original statement). However, that is not the case. There is not doubt that they suffered because of the crime. Unfortunately, they are not recognized as victims of the crime.

What state do you live in. I am a victim of crime! The Goldmans and Browns are Victims of crime. I beg to differ with your statement. I spoke to my nephew who is an attorney, my cousins who are attorneys ( one a DA) and brother who is an attorney who works on Capital Hill and they all refute your statement.

[abbra]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Did they get any money for victims of violent crimes other than what was awarded them in the civil suit?

In NY they receive monies besides getting the settlements from civil suits.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by abbra

Dear William, The pain from loss of a loved one never goes away. My 20 year old only daughter, my only child was killed by a drunk driver and left in a ditch to die next to her best friend who was also killed on impact of the car hitting her. My daughters friend was buried on her what was to be wedding day/birthday and my daugther was buried the day after.
The killer got off after only a year in jail for " good behavior." He is now back on my city streets, not even the slightest bit remorseful.
The district attorney and the drunks lawyer plea bargained my daughters life so the drunk only got charge with one sentence of vehicular manslaughter.
I call the Goldmans Kim and Fred for a reason not in disrespect.
The Goldmans and I belong to the same club of grieving families whose bond stands firm, a bond which no other person can understand or feel unless you are in our position. A tragic loss of loved ones rips out pieces of our hearts, leaves us angry, numb or hurting with a void in our lives that can never be filled. Our lives are completely changed from the moment we receive that phone call that any parent or family member dreads.
Fred, Kim and I are victims of violence so horrid that even the passing of time cannot heal us. Whether its a song we hear, a place we are familiar with or anything that reminds us of our departed loved one, it always brings us back to thoughts of those we love.
So I say to you and others and to Kim and Fred... even though this OJ sentence comes late it is not payment for the crime of MURDER OJ committed against the lives of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, Fred Goldmans only son.
It however serves its purpose for the moment because it gets the self centered murderer off the streets and behind bars where he should have been placed a long time ago.
It however is not the appropriate sentence for the Crime of Murder OJ commited against Ron and Nicole so it will always be in both families minds that this murderer got off because justice didn't get served at the murder trial.
This alone cannot bring peace to either family, victims of this heinous murder crime of Ron and Nicole, at the hands of Simpson.
This is only an appeasement.

Let me begin by saying that I am deeply sorry for your loss. I too have lost a family member due to an act of violence. My cousin, who was in the prime of his life, was killed by a bullet. The bullet came from the riffle of the father of the husband of a woman my cousin was seeing. It came out that the woman was going with her husband's father as well. My cousin left behind his wife and two small children. However, I do believe that God can grant people peace that will enable them to live on despite their loss, if they have the faith to believe that. I understand why you referred to them by their first name. However, I was raised differently. I may feel and understand a portion of your grief and you may feel and understand a portion of mine but without knowing the closeness of those we lost we can never fully appreciate the emotions that we go through. The reason that I refer to them as Ms. and Mr. has to do with respect. I just hope that they will allow God to bring them peace and the same are my wishes for you.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by abbra

What state do you live in. I am a victim of crime! The Goldmans and Browns are Victims of crime. I beg to differ with your statement. I spoke to my nephew who is an attorney, my cousins who are attorneys ( one a DA) and brother who is an attorney who works on Capital Hill and they all refute your statement.

You are quite correct to ask what state I live in as who is considered a victim of crime and is eligible to receive compensation due to that recognition depends on the state. I think your cousins may have been answering in a general sense and I do not know whether this was enacted retroactively but it seems that family members were not recognized in California until this year.

http://64.233.169.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=4&gl=us

[martin II]

abba

A close friend of mine in Seattle Washington was in his car with his wife, one daughter and his only son(all young kids) on their way to the movies.AT the corner from their house a Drunk driving a pickup truck and speeding crashed into them. Killed his wife and his son.Injured his young daughter and broke both of his legs one arm ,some ribs and a collar bone.

We spoke daily when he was in the hospital for about a month.The drunk had a trial and got a year or two. When i finally asked my friend what he was going to do about the drunk, his response was his daughter needed a mother
and he now needed a wife. That he was concentrating of completing that task and forget the drunk as there would be no benefit for him in a long fight or allowing the drunk to be in his future life.
He married a friend of his wife, had two girls, both recently received their PHDs and he has never mentioned the drunk again. He was a professor at a Seatle college until his recent retirement.. He lives a very happy and stress free life and he has a lovely family.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by abbra

What state do you live in. I am a victim of crime! The Goldmans and Browns are Victims of crime. I beg to differ with your statement. I spoke to my nephew who is an attorney, my cousins who are attorneys ( one a DA) and brother who is an attorney who works on Capital Hill and they all refute your statement.

I don't know if you read my posts on me being anal retentive but its true. I do not want to argue and truly understand you and in all honesty my post was meant for what you don't know, Joe. However, never wanting to be in any way wrong in my response to him, I did some more research and this is what I found.

http://www.aardvarc.org/victim/states/cavic.shtml#comp

"To be eligible for compensation, a person must be a victim of a qualifying crime involving physical injury, threat of physical injury or death. For certain crimes, emotional injury alone is all that needs to be shown. Certain family members or other loved ones who suffer an economic loss resulting from an injury to, or death of, a victim of a crime may also be eligible for compensation."

I think by the wording that California would not consider the Goldmans as victims as what I placed in bold is followed by, " a victim of a crime".

[FDInLaw]

Martin,

Bless your friend, he has shown a great deal of courage. A loss like that is difficult to recover from and it is encouraging to hear of his ability to move on. It gives hope.

The grief associated with wrongful death is excruciating, each individual has to come to terms with it the best they can. IMO, it does not look the same for everyone.

~ FD

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by FDInLaw

Martin,

Bless your friend, he has shown a great deal of courage. A loss like that is difficult to recover from and it is encouraging to hear of his ability to move on. It gives hope.

The grief associated with wrongful death is excruciating, each individual has to come to terms with it the best they can. IMO, it does not look the same for everyone.

~ FD

I think you are right and we must pray for all of them.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by FDInLaw

Martin,

Bless your friend, he has shown a great deal of courage. A loss like that is difficult to recover from and it is encouraging to hear of his ability to move on. It gives hope.

The grief associated with wrongful death is excruciating, each individual has to come to terms with it the best they can. IMO, it does not look the same for everyone.

~ FD

FInLaw
I failed to menttion that my friend is chinese and Budist so he sees things maby from a diferent perspective than some.I have learned a lot from him.
More insight into his character.
He has written a large number of books and he reads a lot.So when he retired he had many book in his library. He said he had made a observations that when people came to his house the number of books seemed to intimidate them and he did not like it. He preferred to be judged not by his books but by who he was.
So he gave all of the books away.

[FDInLaw]

Originally Posted by martin II

FInLaw
I failed to menttion that my friend is chinese and Budist so he sees things maby from a diferent perspective than some.I have learned a lot from him.
More insight into his character.
He has written a large number of books and he reads a lot.So when he retired he had many book in his library. He said he had made a observations that when people came to his house the number of books seemed to intimidate them and he did not like it. He preferred to be judged not by his books but by who he was.
So he gave all of the books away.

Spiritual beliefs do make a world of difference IMO.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by FDInLaw

Spiritual beliefs do make a world of difference IMO.

I agree a world of differance in how people see things.

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by Joseph Bell

What a true and honest post. This board is for the discussion of crime and criminals. It is also for those who have been victimised by crime and their families to have their say. I find it bewildering, to say the least, that a man who has been found guilty of crime and sentenced to jail, to continue to be defended. Continually defended, against reason.

Beyond logic.

Well Joe,

What you don't know-I think I have figured it out what you know. The name of the site is Crime Library Message Boards and it is a place to discuss crimes. You do know that. I have posted a link and the statements, showing that you were wrong, imho, as usual, about the Goldmans being "victim of Crime" but that has not stopped you. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you respond with that Australian education thing trying to twist what you originally said. In any event, the word is victimized. No one is defending Simpson that I have seen on the armed robbery charge but it is beyond logic to claim they are because they question whether or not his 14th amendment rights were violated. Perhaps, it is that Australian education thing again.

[Mac]

After reading through the posts.....the one thing we have to realize is that Simpson is a thug....nothing more. The only difference is that he used to be able to run with a football.

[weezer]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Well Joe,

What you don't know-I think I have figured it out what you know. The name of the site is Crime Library Message Boards and it is a place to discuss crimes. You do know that. I have posted a link and the statements, showing that you were wrong, imho, as usual, about the Goldmans being "victim of Crime" but that has not stopped you. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you respond with that Australian education thing trying to twist what you originally said. In any event, the word is victimized. No one is defending Simpson that I have seen on the armed robbery charge but it is beyond logic to claim they are because they question whether or not his 14th amendment rights were violated. Perhaps, it is that Australian education thing again.

why don't you afford other people the same courtesy you demand for yourself? the right to post their opinions -- and misspellings/misstatements -- your harrassment of Joseph Bell has become very tiresome and reflects badly on you.

[FDInLaw]

Originally Posted by Mac

After reading through the posts.....the one thing we have to realize is that Simpson is a thug....nothing more. The only difference is that he used to be able to run with a football.

Funny post. . . I like it!

He is the worst kind of thug. . . the smirky sort that thinks he can get away with anything. Well, he was wrong this time!

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

why don't you afford other people the same courtesy you demand for yourself? the right to post their opinions -- and misspellings/misstatements -- your harrassment of Joseph Bell has become very tiresome and reflects badly on you.

If you are feeling slighted, I have some for you and, if you do not want to read them, as they make you tired, then stop.