Theory

[DesertChildAZ]

My boyfriend and I were discussing this case and agree on one theory.

Most of us agree that there is no Zenaida. So, who was watching Caylee when Cindy was not watching her? Nobody has come forward. Why?

I think this is because nobody was watching Caylee. I suspect that Casey was using chloroform to knock out Caylee for extended periods of time while she socialized. Perhaps even putting her in the trunk so that nobody would see her knocked out in the car and question her leaving her child in the car.

Chloroform = Zenaida

I think, perhaps, that on the final occassion, she gave Caylee too much chloroform and Caylee simply never woke up. This is the "accident" that everyone refers to when they say the Casey would never intentionally harm Caylee but that she must have had some kind of "accident". I think it was on the first day when she backed her car into the family's garage, that she was trying to remove Caylee from the car without anyone seeing her. She backed in and asked to borrow a shovel with the intention of burying her but couldn't do it and came back later, backed in again, to do it again.

In the end, she could not tolerate the smell of the car anymore and ditched it as Ascot. I'm still stumped by the fact that Tony didn't find it odd that she left her car there and went without a car for a couple weeks when all that was wrong with it is that it was out of gas? Odd.

[One2Snoop]

I think your theory is pretty close to what happened and I agree the whole car thing is bizarre. It's unfortunate Casey is the only one who can answer all the questions for LE, her family and the captive audience (us) since this story first broke.

Welcome to CL Desert.

[DigitalDreamKat]

If there is no Zenaida, then what does this mean in Chuck's story at the Library?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...anthony/9.html

I'm confused!

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by DigitalDreamKat

If there is no Zenaida, then what does this mean in Chuck's story at the Library?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...anthony/9.html

I'm confused!

Well there is a real Zenaida just not a real one in Casey's world. Casey named Zenaida Gonzalez as the babysitter and this is the only Zenaida found that can be connected to the Sawgrass Apartments. As ZG said, she doesn't know Casey or Caylee and was never a babysitter.

[DigitalDreamKat]

Aha! Thanks. That's what I thought. So there is a real Zenaida, just not as Caylee's babysitter.

[DesertChildAZ]

Was it ever confirmed that the real Zenaida they found (who claims no knowledge of Casey or Caylee) was the same Zenaida Gonzalez who toured the apartments and left a guest card? I always thought it odd and too coincidental that a person with an unusual name such as ZG toured the apts during the same week as Caylee is presumed to have been killed. Is it possible that Casey disguised herself and toured the apts so there would be some record of a ZG at the Sawood Apts?

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

Was it ever confirmed that the real Zenaida they found (who claims no knowledge of Casey or Caylee) was the same Zenaida Gonzalez who toured the apartments and left a guest card? I always thought it odd and too coincidental that a person with an unusual name such as ZG toured the apts during the same week as Caylee is presumed to have been killed. Is it possible that Casey disguised herself and toured the apts so there would be some record of a ZG at the Sawood Apts?

It's the same ZG. Thats how LE (law enforcement) was able to trace ZG thru the info card she filled out when she viewed the Sawgrass apartment.

[DesertChildAZ]

Hmmmm..wow! I mean, what are the odds!?

Thanks for the welcome!!!!

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

My boyfriend and I were discussing this case and agree on one theory.

Most of us agree that there is no Zenaida. So, who was watching Caylee when Cindy was not watching her? Nobody has come forward. Why?

I think this is because nobody was watching Caylee. I suspect that Casey was using chloroform to knock out Caylee for extended periods of time while she socialized. Perhaps even putting her in the trunk so that nobody would see her knocked out in the car and question her leaving her child in the car.

Chloroform = Zenaida

I think, perhaps, that on the final occassion, she gave Caylee too much chloroform and Caylee simply never woke up. This is the "accident" that everyone refers to when they say the Casey would never intentionally harm Caylee but that she must have had some kind of "accident". I think it was on the first day when she backed her car into the family's garage, that she was trying to remove Caylee from the car without anyone seeing her. She backed in and asked to borrow a shovel with the intention of burying her but couldn't do it and came back later, backed in again, to do it again.

In the end, she could not tolerate the smell of the car anymore and ditched it as Ascot. I'm still stumped by the fact that Tony didn't find it odd that she left her car there and went without a car for a couple weeks when all that was wrong with it is that it was out of gas? Odd.

I agree she died from chloroform but not as an accident. She was looking up how to break a neck, death by inhalation and shovels in March plus how to make chloroform. I think she killed her on purpose and chloroform was an easy, not too messy way to do it. But I don't at all agree it was an accident. She was also looking up missing childrens sites in March. Premeditated in my opinion.

[browneyes106]

I agree with DesertChild that is sort of amazing odds or weird that Casey said that ZG lived at the Sawgrass apartments and there was a ZG who filled out a guest card and application there. But I read somewhere that Casey had a friend who lived or lives in the Sawgrass apartments and that the police thought Casey found or saw the guest card at the complex. One theory I sort of have is that maybe Casey was sort of stalking the real ZG or another ZG for awhile. In the police interviews family and former friends have said that for about a year Casey kept mentioning "Zany" as being her nanny. I remember reading somewhere online that in one of the tv interviews Jesse Grund's dad said that Casey mentioned Zany a year ago. In the police interviews Lee refered ZG as Zenita. George mentioned a few times in interviews that Caylee never responded to questions about Zany. I kind of base my theory on the fact that people have said Casey has mentioned Zenaida/Zany for a year before Casey's disappearance. I think Casey used public records or something to find a ZG. I have wondered the same things as the OP about what Casey did with Caylee during the day since she had no job and the nanny didn't exist. I agree the chloroform theory might be true. There were a lot of times Casey lied to her parents and said she had to work events at night at Universal. Maybe she stayed at home during the day sometimes with Caylee then she left at night to party while George and Cindy thought she was working.

[DesertChildAZ]

Well, I can't respond in regards to the "break a neck" search (for all we know, this search could be directed with Cindy in mind) , but the "death by inhalation" search could have merely been her efforts to find out how much she could give to Caylee without killing her. In other words: How much is too much??

I've read alot of case documents on this but don't recall searches of missing children sites or shovels in March. Maybe I overlooked a group of documents on www.docstoc.com?

[One2Snoop]

I've read alot of case documents on this but don't recall searches of missing children sites or shovels in March. Maybe I overlooked a group of documents on www.docstoc.com?

Computer Evidence Shows Casey Searched For Missing Child Websites
Friday, September 26, 2008 – updated: 10:31 pm EDT September 28, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News dug through hundreds of files on Casey Anthony's personal computer Friday and found she had been looking at missing children websites long before Caylee disappeared.

Computer Forensics Report (PDFs)
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Investigators released images found on Casey Anthony's computer they called "graphics of interest" in the case of her missing toddler. An anti-death penalty image, showing a little girl that even looks a bit like Caylee, has a caption that reads: "Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?" (Read computer forensics report)

A quote from rapper Tupac reads: "You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks or even months over-analyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what could've, would've happened. Or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the [expletive] on."

Both images appeared on Casey's computer just days before she was arrested for lying to investigators. Images included something Casey had tattooed after Caylee disappeared, photos of Casey draped in a flag at an "Anything But Clothes" party and Internet conversations she had with men suggesting Caylee interfered with Casey's sex life.

Digging through Casey's Internet history, Eyewitness News discovered evidence she was surfing missing children web sites months before Caylee disappeared. She visited one more than a year ago. Ironically, now Caylee's picture takes center stage on that same site.

There were also Internet conversations detailing Casey Anthony's drug use. In one, Casey said she "can hit up my friend Annie for some Xanax" and promised "we'd be a good time."

The computer records also revealed that, starting in June, Casey's computer was used to search for Zenaida Gonzalez, the mystery nanny. The question now is whether she was trying to get background information on the woman, who she would later accuse of being the person who took Caylee.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

Computer Evidence Shows Casey Searched For Missing Child Websites
Friday, September 26, 2008 – updated: 10:31 pm EDT September 28, 2008

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Eyewitness News dug through hundreds of files on Casey Anthony's personal computer Friday and found she had been looking at missing children websites long before Caylee disappeared.

Computer Forensics Report (PDFs)
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Investigators released images found on Casey Anthony's computer they called "graphics of interest" in the case of her missing toddler. An anti-death penalty image, showing a little girl that even looks a bit like Caylee, has a caption that reads: "Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?" (Read computer forensics report)

A quote from rapper Tupac reads: "You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks or even months over-analyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what could've, would've happened. Or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the [expletive] on."

Both images appeared on Casey's computer just days before she was arrested for lying to investigators. Images included something Casey had tattooed after Caylee disappeared, photos of Casey draped in a flag at an "Anything But Clothes" party and Internet conversations she had with men suggesting Caylee interfered with Casey's sex life.

Digging through Casey's Internet history, Eyewitness News discovered evidence she was surfing missing children web sites months before Caylee disappeared. She visited one more than a year ago. Ironically, now Caylee's picture takes center stage on that same site.

There were also Internet conversations detailing Casey Anthony's drug use. In one, Casey said she "can hit up my friend Annie for some Xanax" and promised "we'd be a good time."

The computer records also revealed that, starting in June, Casey's computer was used to search for Zenaida Gonzalez, the mystery nanny. The question now is whether she was trying to get background information on the woman, who she would later accuse of being the person who took Caylee.

I don't know if you all remember this but I did a search on Zenaida Gonzalez and was able to find ages of the woman named this, plus areas associated with them and potential relatives names. So to think Casey could do this, to me is totally believable. Also thanks for finding the info on the shovel and missing childrens sites.I knew it was prior to Caylee missing,but you are great at locating stuff! And I believe the words inhalation and the fact she looked up death and missing childrens sites indicates to me she was looking for a good story to tell about her missing child. She sure did not do a good job of finding a believable story. But to me it is too coincidental she looked up all this and joila two months after this she has a 'missing ' child with a trunk full of chloroform and she is texting about how Mommy duties cramps her style. I see premeditation and motive. And actually even if they do not charge her with premeditated murder , she will be charged with felony murder because of the chloroform and they carry the same stiff penalties. Also on the neck breaking I don't think it was for an adult. Casey weighed roughly 100 to 110 pounds and for her to break an adults neck , I think is a long shot, especially if it was a man involved.

[One2Snoop]

ooops forgot to put the link for the article...

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567178/detail.html

[MysteryRenee]

Originally Posted by DigitalDreamKat

If there is no Zenaida, then what does this mean in Chuck's story at the Library?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...anthony/9.html

I'm confused!

This article states how there is no Zenaida. It is talking about how the person Casey points to doesn't exist.

[Peachallie]

I think, perhaps, that on the final occassion, she gave Caylee too much chloroform and Caylee simply never woke up. This is the "accident" that everyone refers to when they say the Casey would never intentionally harm Caylee but that she must have had some kind of "accident". I think it was on the first day when she backed her car into the family's garage, that she was trying to remove Caylee from the car without anyone seeing her.
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That is my impression at this point also. And though Casey Anthony isn't the studious type, she probably understood breaking the neck of a two year old doesn't require expertise or research.

[Karin]

Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

My boyfriend and I were discussing this case and agree on one theory.

Most of us agree that there is no Zenaida. So, who was watching Caylee when Cindy was not watching her? Nobody has come forward. Why?

I think this is because nobody was watching Caylee. I suspect that Casey was using chloroform to knock out Caylee for extended periods of time while she socialized. Perhaps even putting her in the trunk so that nobody would see her knocked out in the car and question her leaving her child in the car.

Chloroform = Zenaida

I think, perhaps, that on the final occassion, she gave Caylee too much chloroform and Caylee simply never woke up. This is the "accident" that everyone refers to when they say the Casey would never intentionally harm Caylee but that she must have had some kind of "accident". I think it was on the first day when she backed her car into the family's garage, that she was trying to remove Caylee from the car without anyone seeing her. She backed in and asked to borrow a shovel with the intention of burying her but couldn't do it and came back later, backed in again, to do it again.

In the end, she could not tolerate the smell of the car anymore and ditched it as Ascot. I'm still stumped by the fact that Tony didn't find it odd that she left her car there and went without a car for a couple weeks when all that was wrong with it is that it was out of gas? Odd.

Excellent post...I had thought about that too, but you made it sound so accurate...hope they can prove it!

[lighthousedazy]

I just do not think Caylee's death was an accident. If it was, I still think the liar would have called 911. I am not a chemist, but I do not consider chloroform to be an accidental overdose. It is a poison, illegal, no longer an anestethic, etc. With her internet searches for death, neck breaking, chloroform, I believe she intended to kill this child to get her out of her hair so she could be free to party, etc. If she wanted the baby to sleep, she could have given her some benadryl (OTC), something with codeine, somewhat available, or paragoric, (I don't know if that is available but it was around in the 70's), or phenergan, prescribed for nausea, (knocks me out), etc. jmo. Rest in peace, Beautiful little Caylee

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by Peachallie

I think, perhaps, that on the final occassion, she gave Caylee too much chloroform and Caylee simply never woke up. This is the "accident" that everyone refers to when they say the Casey would never intentionally harm Caylee but that she must have had some kind of "accident". I think it was on the first day when she backed her car into the family's garage, that she was trying to remove Caylee from the car without anyone seeing her.
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That is my impression at this point also. And though Casey Anthony isn't the studious type, she probably understood breaking the neck of a two year old doesn't require expertise or research.

Originally Posted by lighthousedazy

I just do not think Caylee's death was an accident. If it was, I still think the liar would have called 911. I am not a chemist, but I do not consider chloroform to be an accidental overdose. It is a poison, illegal, no longer an anestethic, etc. With her internet searches for death, neck breaking, chloroform, I believe she intended to kill this child to get her out of her hair so she could be free to party, etc. If she wanted the baby to sleep, she could have given her some benadryl (OTC), something with codeine, somewhat available, or paragoric, (I don't know if that is available but it was around in the 70's), or phenergan, prescribed for nausea, (knocks me out), etc. jmo. Rest in peace, Beautiful little Caylee

I absolutely totally agree with you this was not an accidental overdose and Casey intended to kill her precious child. Even if Casey chose to use the other drugs you listed just to knock Caylee out for awhile - it would still be considered a form of homicide/child negligance if Caylee had died from those drugs because of the forethought put into it. Sorry I don't know all the legal mumbo jumbo - I'm sure those of you who have a better handle on the legal logistics can help me clairfy what I'm trying to say.

JMO.

Good night all. Way past my bedtime and Santa will be here soon! Heeeheee!

[Anton Chigurh]

On Nancy Grace last week, Caylee's father or Casey's ex-finance, said Casey was jealous of Caylee, and a psychiatrist on Nancy Grace several weeks ago also talked about Casey having controlling issues explaining why she being such a liar. Why didn't Casey give Caylee away to her parents or someone who would take good care of her instead? Only Casey knows but she wouldn't reveal her reasons to anyone. IIRC, Casey's parents had to work as they couldn't take care of Caylee all times, but with Casey's lying to her parents about working at Universal Studio sounds like she doesn't want her parents to know about her busy "socialized" world. I am unsure if they already knew before. So with searching about neck-breaking & chloroform, not reporting Caylee being missing until one month later to anyone, I believe these sums up pretty much to murder, not accident. At first, I thought Casey might have accidentally left Caylee in car during hot weather then got rid of the body, but almost all parents or anyone would call 911 or try to get help if they found their children dead because they weren't prepared, so it was obviously premeditated. I am unsure or unclear why Casey is jealous of Caylee, I guess it probably because Caylee was getting a lot of attentions from relatives. I suspected Casey grew up spoiled by her parents. They still are standing by her thoroughly believing she is innocent which I am sure Casey took that for grant. Casey's characteristic has so much parallels to Scott Peterson's, IMO.

[eatcupcakes]

Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

My boyfriend and I were discussing this case and agree on one theory.

Most of us agree that there is no Zenaida. So, who was watching Caylee when Cindy was not watching her? Nobody has come forward. Why?

I think this is because nobody was watching Caylee. I suspect that Casey was using chloroform to knock out Caylee for extended periods of time while she socialized. Perhaps even putting her in the trunk so that nobody would see her knocked out in the car and question her leaving her child in the car.

Chloroform = Zenaida

I think, perhaps, that on the final occassion, she gave Caylee too much chloroform and Caylee simply never woke up. This is the "accident" that everyone refers to when they say the Casey would never intentionally harm Caylee but that she must have had some kind of "accident". I think it was on the first day when she backed her car into the family's garage, that she was trying to remove Caylee from the car without anyone seeing her. She backed in and asked to borrow a shovel with the intention of burying her but couldn't do it and came back later, backed in again, to do it again.

In the end, she could not tolerate the smell of the car anymore and ditched it as Ascot. I'm still stumped by the fact that Tony didn't find it odd that she left her car there and went without a car for a couple weeks when all that was wrong with it is that it was out of gas? Odd.

I think your theory is correct except I believe she was giving Caylee Zanax. For which Zanie is the nick name for the drug. Maybe she could not get it anymore because it is a controlled substance so she change to Chloroform and killed Caylee accidently. However I would be totally shocked if she ever admits this. Like Laci Peterson we will never know for sure how she died.

[eatcupcakes]

Originally Posted by DesertChildAZ

My boyfriend and I were discussing this case and agree on one theory.

Most of us agree that there is no Zenaida. So, who was watching Caylee when Cindy was not watching her? Nobody has come forward. Why?

I think this is because nobody was watching Caylee. I suspect that Casey was using chloroform to knock out Caylee for extended periods of time while she socialized. Perhaps even putting her in the trunk so that nobody would see her knocked out in the car and question her leaving her child in the car.

Chloroform = Zenaida

I think, perhaps, that on the final occassion, she gave Caylee too much chloroform and Caylee simply never woke up. This is the "accident" that everyone refers to when they say the Casey would never intentionally harm Caylee but that she must have had some kind of "accident". I think it was on the first day when she backed her car into the family's garage, that she was trying to remove Caylee from the car without anyone seeing her. She backed in and asked to borrow a shovel with the intention of burying her but couldn't do it and came back later, backed in again, to do it again.

In the end, she could not tolerate the smell of the car anymore and ditched it as Ascot. I'm still stumped by the fact that Tony didn't find it odd that she left her car there and went without a car for a couple weeks when all that was wrong with it is that it was out of gas? Odd.

I think your theory is correct except I believe she was giving Caylee Zanax. For which Zanie is the nick name for the drug. Maybe she could not get it anymore because it is a controlled substance so she change to Chloroform and killed Caylee accidently. However I would be totally shocked if she ever admits this. Like Laci Peterson we will never know for sure how she died.

[Eagle1]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

I agree she died from chloroform but not as an accident. She was looking up how to break a neck, death by inhalation and shovels in March plus how to make chloroform. I think she killed her on purpose and chloroform was an easy, not too messy way to do it. But I don't at all agree it was an accident. She was also looking up missing childrens sites in March. Premeditated in my opinion.

12-31-08

Have to agree. And last night on "Issues" and/or Nancy Grace, the question came up again, why were so many people interested in the site where the bones were found, not only the meter reader but also a videographer and p.i., and friend Amy. Just because they hung out in those woods when they were in school isn't a logical reason to think the body would be there, don't you all agree? Wouldn't that be almost a "calling card"?

Did Casey get drunk and talk to others besides possibly Lee?

Also why do they not show a picture of the TREE, that someone had tried to cut and put a (white?) board over, and the bag underneath? Was someone trying to make it look like Satanism was involved? (You don't suppose Casey and friends are Satanists? Not trying to start any such rumor of course.) Actually they haven't showed the public any details under that little blue tent.

And if Lee is in trouble for Obstructing, (or that attorney just wants some attention or knows something privileged? ) shouldn't Cindy also be, for washing those pants found in Casey's car?

Originally Posted by Eagle1

12-31-08

Have to agree. And last night on "Issues" and/or Nancy Grace, the question came up again, why were so many people interested in the site where the bones were found, not only the meter reader but also a videographer and p.i., and friend Amy. Just because they hung out in those woods when they were in school isn't a logical reason to think the body would be there, don't you all agree? Wouldn't that be almost a "calling card"?

Did Casey get drunk and talk to others besides possibly Lee?

Also why do they not show a picture of the TREE, that someone had tried to cut and put a (white?) board over, and the bag underneath? Was someone trying to make it look like Satanism was involved? (You don't suppose Casey and friends are Satanists? Not trying to start any such rumor of course.) Actually they haven't showed the public any details under that little blue tent.

And if Lee is in trouble for Obstructing, (or that attorney just wants some attention or knows something privileged? ) shouldn't Cindy also be, for washing those pants found in Casey's car?

Also on that same "Issues", Leonard Padilla said "the meter reader on the 11th, 12th and 13th was about 600 yards off. The place where the kids used to congregate is not where they found the body."

So where was the video shot? Did the videographer and the PI make a video of where the kids hung out and buried their pets or was it taken where the body was found?

[Eagle1]

The video was in the wrong spot, and I think they've even taped over it, or part of it, but didn't they say the FBI has it now?

Did anyone see a Geraldo Rivera show, where I believe they said a woman known to the meter reader just drove by and her dog got sick? I meant to do a web search before coming here but forgot.

Wasn't the odor as strong in the car as it was going to get? Or wouldn't other passers by have noticed it also? Could it have been the chloroform or a poison that killed the rattlesnake and made the dog sick?
I don't know if it threw up or what. Think I heard it on "Issues" and my ears perked up.