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The Ring - Who has the ring?
Court order bars O.J. Simpson from selling ring
As O.J. Simpson sits in jail in Nevada, his Pro Football Hall of Fame ring has become the object of a custody battle in California, where a judge ordered Friday that a memorabilia dealer hand it over.
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Following a hearing that lasted no more than five minutes, Superior Court Judge Gerald Rosenberg ordered that Beardsley, 46, appear in his courtroom Nov. 19 and produce the ring. He also ordered Simpson, who is in jail in Las Vegas awaiting sentencing, to not make any effort to dispose of the ring.
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10-25-2008, 05:53 PM
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9/13/07: Crimes committed.
9/16/07: Simpson arrested on Sunday.
9/19/07: Beardsley arrested and taken into custody.
9/19/07: Simpson’s released Wednesday on $125K bail.
9/19/07: From People Magazine, http://www.people.com/people/article...057680,00.html
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10-25-2008, 09:16 PM
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I found this interesting and have been trying to read up on it. I think it makes sense for Beardsley to have the ring. I could never understand why he changed his story so quickly. He calls 911 to report a robbery and then a few days later he just wants it to "go away." Something made him change his tune and I think a ring worth $50,000 would be reason enough for a sleazy guy like him. Novemeber 19 should be an interesting day in court.
What do you think about Yale Gallanter possibly being involved?
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10-25-2008, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by tvdinner
I found this interesting and have been trying to read up on it. I think it makes sense for Beardsley to have the ring. I could never understand why he changed his story so quickly. He calls 911 to report a robbery and then a few days later he just wants it to "go away." Something made him change his tune and I think a ring worth $50,000 would be reason enough for a sleazy guy like him. Novemeber 19 should be an interesting day in court.
What do you think about Yale Gallanter possibly being involved?
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I believe that orenthal's late night call from jail where he talked to arnelle and told her to get 'it' from his dresser drawer and that if 'it' wasn't there to ask christy because she would know where 'it' is/could be and in the same call he told her he'd talked to beardsley and if/when beardsley changed his story, half of the charges against orenthal would go away. orenthal also told arnelle that he had told beardsley that arnelle would get in contact with him.
I think there is something very strange about that call -- something I can't quite put my finger on. . .
some folks believe that yale could be in lots of trouble over the whole business dealings between him and orenthal. . .
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10-25-2008, 09:27 PM
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I believe that orenthal's late night call from jail where he talked to arnelle and told her to get 'it' from his dresser drawer and that if 'it' wasn't there to ask christy because she would know where 'it' is/could be and in the same call he told her he'd talked to beardsley and if/when beardsley changed his story, half of the charges against orenthal would go away. orenthal also told arnelle that he had told beardsley that arnelle would get in contact with him.
I think there is something very strange about that call -- something I can't quite put my finger on. . .
some folks believe that yale could be in lots of trouble over the whole business dealings between him and orenthal. . .
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This is really an interesting twist in the story. As usual, Arnelle is in it up to her eyeballs.
Was this done before it was known there were audio tapes of the crime?
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10-25-2008, 09:42 PM
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This is really an interesting twist in the story. As usual, Arnelle is in it up to her eyeballs.
Was this done before it was known there were audio tapes of the crime?
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popular belief is that the conversations between orenthal and beardsley happened before he was arrested but the phone call between orenthal and arnelle happened while he was in jail (phone call recorded). He's been in jail enough to know that the calls are recorded so I was surprised he would give her that message -- he had to have known he was in deep doo to risk it.
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10-25-2008, 10:01 PM
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popular belief is that the conversations between orenthal and beardsley happened before he was arrested but the phone call between orenthal and arnelle happened while he was in jail (phone call recorded). He's been in jail enough to know that the calls are recorded so I was surprised he would give her that message -- he had to have known he was in deep doo to risk it.
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I guess he decided his goose was cooked unless he could get Beardsley to change his story so he took the chance. He knew his cohort Arnelle wouldn't let him down. I think Christie should have to testify about what she knows about the ring also.
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10-25-2008, 10:22 PM
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I guess he decided his goose was cooked unless he could get Beardsley to change his story so he took the chance. He knew his cohort Arnelle wouldn't let him down. I think Christie should have to testify about what she knows about the ring also.
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the conversation tells you the depth of his ignorance -- he thought if beardsley dropped the charges, he'd get out of it.
you can hear his sister, christie and arnelle on the tapes from before the robbery and orenthal said yale had advised him against going after the stuff.
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10-25-2008, 10:44 PM
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the conversation tells you the depth of his ignorance -- he thought if beardsley dropped the charges, he'd get out of it.
you can hear his sister, christie and arnelle on the tapes from before the robbery and orenthal said yale had advised him against going after the stuff.
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If Yale had already advised him not to go after the stuff then he knew it was wrong. He acts like he can't believe he was charged with anything. IMO, he should be thanking God every day that he got out of a double murder charge. Instead, he carries on in the the same arrogant way he always has. He's ignorant about many things including trusting a guy who has already called 911 on him. Then old Beardsley just couldn't keep his mouth shut. This story just gets better and better!
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10-25-2008, 10:56 PM
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If Yale had already advised him not to go after the stuff then he knew it was wrong. He acts like he can't believe he was charged with anything. IMO, he should be thanking God every day that he got out of a double murder charge. Instead, he carries on in the the same arrogant way he always has. He's ignorant about many things including trusting a guy who has already called 911 on him. Then old Beardsley just couldn't keep his mouth shut. This story just gets better and better!
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did you hear the part on the tape where beardsley/fromong(?) talked about yale running interference on contact before the robbery? then someone else talks about giving yale money but orenthal said he never got it.
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10-25-2008, 11:01 PM
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did you hear the part on the tape where beardsley/fromong(?) talked about yale running interference on contact before the robbery? then someone else talks about giving yale money but orenthal said he never got it.
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No, I didn't hear that part. Do you still have the link?
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10-25-2008, 11:19 PM
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No, I didn't hear that part. Do you still have the link?
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this is the link to all of the tapes and documents -- I don't remember which one the conversation is on but it's either just before or just after the robbery takes place and it's just riccio, beardsley and fromong in the room. it's the same conversation where fromong makes the statements about helping orenthal with the offshore accounts, etc.
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...n/Simpson.html
some of the first tapes are by the pool and phones conversations before the robbery -- including the mcclinton tape.
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10-25-2008, 11:25 PM
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this is the link to all of the tapes and documents -- I don't remember which one the conversation is on but it's either just before or just after the robbery takes place and it's just riccio, beardsley and fromong in the room. it's the same conversation where fromong makes the statements about helping orenthal with the offshore accounts, etc.
http://www.clarkcountycourts.us/medi...n/Simpson.html
some of the first tapes are by the pool and phones conversations before the robbery -- including the mcclinton tape. |
Thanks, weezer. I'm going to do some listening.
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10-25-2008, 11:28 PM
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Thanks, weezer. I'm going to do some listening.
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LOL --- it's transcripts. . . .but lots of reading required. I started with the first tape but you'll know which one I'm talking about about when you see it. If I can figure it out before then, I'll let you know.
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10-25-2008, 11:46 PM
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LOL --- it's transcripts. . . .but lots of reading required. I started with the first tape but you'll know which one I'm talking about about when you see it. If I can figure it out before then, I'll let you know.
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LOL, yes I figured that out when I got there. It will be a lot of reading. I read some of this before then I lost the link...it's interesting so far. It's very telling when they say they have to decide what their story is going to be.
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10-26-2008, 02:43 PM
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from the mcclinton tape -- wonder what 'it' he gave to his lawyer and did he give 'it' to his lawyer:
Simpson: ___ gets you walkin' in ___ walked in and walked out we are carrying boxes.
McClinton: Yeah, just like that. But you know what they know is he gonna come in where is boxes. What'd ya do with the ___,
Simpson: I gave it to my lawyer say ______. I said youu all can have all of this, I just didn't want them to have it.
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Simpson: And I knew, to be honest with you. I knew now the Goldman's would get it and sell it and so I, I told these guys do whatever you wanna do with it.
McClinton: Take it and have a good time with it.
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10-26-2008, 09:15 PM
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from the mcclinton tape -- wonder what 'it' he gave to his lawyer and did he give 'it' to his lawyer:
Simpson: ___ gets you walkin' in ___ walked in and walked out we are carrying boxes.
McClinton: Yeah, just like that. But you know what they know is he gonna come in where is boxes. What'd ya do with the ___,
Simpson: I gave it to my lawyer say ______. I said youu all can have all of this, I just didn't want them to have it.
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Simpson: And I knew, to be honest with you. I knew now the Goldman's would get it and sell it and so I, I told these guys do whatever you wanna do with it.
McClinton: Take it and have a good time with it.
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Hmm, not sure what the 'it' is but he sure didn't want Fred Goldman to have 'it' to help pay off his legitimate legal obligation to him. It's not enough that he killed his son -- he now does whatever he can to thwart the collection of his debt.
Whatever 'it' is McClinton seems to think you can fun with it.
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10-27-2008, 08:00 AM
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Hmm, not sure what the 'it' is but he sure didn't want Fred Goldman to have 'it' to help pay off his legitimate legal obligation to him. It's not enough that he killed his son -- he now does whatever he can to thwart the collection of his debt.
Whatever 'it' is McClinton seems to think you can fun with it.
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This raises a couple of questions for me:
1. Was yale in vegas? and, if not, who was the lawyer orenthal gave 'it' to?
2. and if he meant he gave the stuff they took from the room to the 'guys', doesn't that negate his argument that he was only retrieving his personal belongings?
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10-27-2008, 09:41 AM
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This raises a couple of questions for me:
1. Was yale in vegas? and, if not, who was the lawyer orenthal gave 'it' to?
2. and if he meant he gave the stuff they took from the room to the 'guys', doesn't that negate his argument that he was only retrieving his personal belongings?
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Good questions. Why would Yale be in Vegas and why would he give his personal belongings that he claims were stolen from him to anyone else? IMO, there is way more to this whole thing than has come to light yet.
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10-27-2008, 11:23 AM
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The above posts/ideas sound like good material for Marvel Comics or some other comic book publication. 
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10-27-2008, 12:32 PM
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Good questions. Why would Yale be in Vegas and why would he give his personal belongings that he claims were stolen from him to anyone else? IMO, there is way more to this whole thing than has come to light yet.
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maybe it wasn't -- I remember reading that orenthal said his lawyer advised him against doing the robbery
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10-27-2008, 12:59 PM
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maybe it wasn't -- I remember reading that orenthal said his lawyer advised him against doing the robbery
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Possibly these were lawyers that Yale directed Simpson to after the robbery before he was in Vegas. There are still a lot of IFs in this story and we all know Old Man IF died stiff. 
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wonder if christie, arnelle, and orenthal's sister were interviewed by LE? they all show up on the tape in varying degrees of culpability.
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10-27-2008, 02:59 PM
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wonder if christie, arnelle, and orenthal's sister were interviewed by LE? they all show up on the tape in varying degrees of culpability.
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If not, they should have been. They're probably all three in with Simpson up to their eyeballs. Is that the same sister that did the phony collapsing act in the courtroom when the verdicts were read?
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I don't know what will happen on the 19th but it should prove interesting. I believe the ring was given to beardsley to shut him up. What I'm trying to figure out now is when and by whom.
I do wonder if the statements from tapes open up the opportunity for the civil courts to pull up those disclosure statements signed by orenthal, his family and friends that they didn't have any of the stuff and didn't know where any of the stuff was. Some of those folks might be in trouble with the courts for lying? 
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10-29-2008, 09:53 AM
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I don't know what will happen on the 19th but it should prove interesting. I believe the ring was given to beardsley to shut him up. What I'm trying to figure out now is when and by whom.
I do wonder if the statements from tapes open up the opportunity for the civil courts to pull up those disclosure statements signed by orenthal, his family and friends that they didn't have any of the stuff and didn't know where any of the stuff was. Some of those folks might be in trouble with the courts for lying? |
I think the ring went to Beardsley to shut him up also. Nothing else makes any sense. He turned on a dime in his attitude about what happened. Mike Gilbert admitted on Dr. Phil that he lied and I'm sure he's not the only one -- he must might be the only one that has admitted it so far.
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10-29-2008, 10:51 AM
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I think the ring went to Beardsley to shut him up also. Nothing else makes any sense. He turned on a dime in his attitude about what happened. Mike Gilbert admitted on Dr. Phil that he lied and I'm sure he's not the only one -- he must might be the only one that has admitted it so far.
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if you listen to fromong on the tapes, he lied for orenthal also. he lied about knowing where stuff was and he lied about the $$.
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10-29-2008, 11:00 AM
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if you listen to fromong on the tapes, he lied for orenthal also. he lied about knowing where stuff was and he lied about the $$.
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We see the type of people that OJ Simpson surrounds himself with. You know the old saying "if they'll do it with you they'll do it to you" really holds true in this case. IMO, Fromong didn't steal anything. Simpson was getting rid of stuff to keep it out of Fred Goldman's hands and lost track of some of it. He might even have gotten some sympathy if not for committing armed robbery.
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10-29-2008, 11:08 AM
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We see the type of people that OJ Simpson surrounds himself with. You know the old saying "if they'll do it with you they'll do it to you" really holds true in this case. IMO, Fromong didn't steal anything. Simpson was getting rid of stuff to keep it out of Fred Goldman's hands and lost track of some of it. He might even have gotten some sympathy if not for committing armed robbery.
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evidently orenthal stiffed gilbert for $$ then gilbert stiffed fromong for $$
looks like nobody wanted to part with cash but were using the 'stuff' like it was money.
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10-29-2008, 11:20 AM
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evidently orenthal stiffed gilbert for $$ then gilbert stiffed fromong for $$
looks like nobody wanted to part with cash but were using the 'stuff' like it was money.
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They're all shady characters and there's probably much more that we'll never know about. I still believe Simpson would have pushed it with LE if he really thought the 'stuff' was legally his.
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Wednesday, November 19
Soooo -- it is on the calendar for 8:30 A.M. (Pacific Time). Judge Rosenberg (?) said no cameras and I can't find anything on any of the normal sites other than 'we'll report as needed.' Anyone else interested can rely on (and keep checking) the home page of the Las Vegas Review-Journal for news and/or KTLA. I know I will. 
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Wednesday, November 19
Soooo -- it is on the calendar for 8:30 A.M. (Pacific Time). Judge Rosenberg (?) said no cameras and I can't find anything on any of the normal sites other than 'we'll report as needed.' Anyone else interested can rely on (and keep checking) the home page of the Las Vegas Review-Journal for news and/or KTLA. I know I will. |
Thanks, weezer. I'm going to check in with trutv too. Maybe they'll say something about it.
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So has anyone heard if Alfred Beardsley was able to make it to court today from his cell in CA where he's incarcerated on a parole violation? A conviction for stalking a woman, oh yeah, a real reputable guy. 
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So has anyone heard if Alfred Beardsley was able to make it to court today from his cell in CA where he's incarcerated on a parole violation? A conviction for stalking a woman, oh yeah, a real reputable guy. |
not a word -- dadgummit!
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not a word -- dadgummit!
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So, what happened? Was it continued? 
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So, what happened? Was it continued? |
I can't find a word about it. strange -- makes you wonder what else is going on --
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11-22-2008, 09:36 AM
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this is the only thing I've seen: "The 11/19/08 hearing was continued to December. I don't have a date, but that's why there's been "no news".
I'm trying to find something on the continuance but so far no luck.
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this is the only thing I've seen: "The 11/19/08 hearing was continued to December. I don't have a date, but that's why there's been "no news".
I'm trying to find something on the continuance but so far no luck.
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Thanks, weezer. 
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...psons-sen.html
"The mystery of O.J. Simpson's Hall of Fame ring
O.J. Simpson’s sentencing next Friday in Las Vegas will lock in the former NFL star’s location for years if not decades, but whereabouts of one of his treasured possession, his Hall of Fame ring, remains a mystery.
A judge in Santa Monica had set a hearing for last week on efforts to seize Simpson’s Canton bauble, but the proceeding was postponed because the star witness is behind bars. . . .
The hearing is set for one week later, Dec. 12."
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