What do you all think about Cindy and George?

[wind149]

I think they need to dig themselves out of the huge hole of denial they have put themselves in. It is like some people will think whatever gets you through the day, but when this child's body is recovered, they are going to lose it big time and I just wish they would be honest with themselves, I know it must be hard to wrap your mind around the fact that your daughter has murdered your granddaughter, but it is looking like that is a reality and I think about some of the comments they have made, like Cindy for instance. SHE is the one to call 911 and report that her daughter's car smells like there was a dead body in it, and then when LE conducts tests on the vehicle, decomp is found in the trunk, also hairs that belong to Caylee show signs of decomp and an air sample shows the same as well, and what does Cindy say to the press? " somebody must have put a body in Casey's car AFTER it was impounded" Talk about denial? I am disgusted with both of them, still trying to run the hype that "hot leads are coming in daily" but yet, if they are so credible, why has LE not acted on any of them? Because this will be a recovery mission, no one has the child, "Zany" never existed, no ransom, no nothing and I want to slap both of them, it is pathetic at best. And listening to them yesterday on the Today show, they are so focused on finding the child alive, that they have tunnel vision and no matter what people say to them, they are refusing to accpet the truth.

EQUUSEARCH is coming back on the 8th and I feel they will recover the body and what are these people gonna do then? And they got pissed at Tim Miller who has bent over backwards and has spent $40,000 in donations (PS, I made one) to try to find the body and he is a guy who does not give up and they are mad at him because they expect him to find Caylee alive and he can't promise that, nobody can at this point. I just feel they are setting themselves up, that they are so pumped to find the baby, that they gonna be in total anguish when the body is found. Just now on NG. Cindy is still running the pizza spin and George is running the dead squirrel spin, and I know that hope is all they have at this point, and Leonard Padilla who at first, thought Caylee was still alive and that is why he bailed her out, boy do they hate him now, truth hurts, and he is brutally honest, he is in the business of dealing with all kinds of people, he has heard every bull**** story out there, and he says that Casey is one of the coldest people he has ever met, and he too wishes that Cindy and George would face reality because he thinks they are in for the shock wave that is going to hit them. I think George deep down, being a cop, knows the truth and I see a divorce on the horizon when the body is found, Cindy will still be in Casey's corner, and George will not be, just conjecture on my part, but I want all of you guy's imput on this, I am sure I am not alone with my feelings.

[One2Snoop]

I agree wind - they're in major denial. Its almost as if they've dug their heels in and are going to prove everyone else wrong come hell or high water. JMO

[CindyB]

Short and Sweet......I think the whole family was always half nuts. Now, with all that's happened, I think they've gone completely nuts!!

[mu8shark]

I moved this post as it fits in more on this thread Hope you all don't find that irritating. LOL. This stupid theory about how someone else put a body in the trunk is just idiotic. If I hear that blurb where CIndy says there was no smell until the car was towed , I will barf. Her daughter's text messages to Amy about the smell in the car when Casey was driving it will totally wreck that theory. Remember, the two dead squirrels story she texted and then she said I got rid of the smell. That was not after the car was towed obviously and Cindy knows this. I guess the nice way of saying it , is they are in denial. I think they are lying and misleading people on purpose. First I get to hear George say Casey was a good daughter, Really, stealing from grandparents and her parents and trying to unload her daughter on her mother all the time and lying all the time. Cindy supposedly told someone Casey was a freeloader who could not support her daughter and a sociopath. She also said she used men for money, I am paraphrasing but she told Tony he better have money. Then, we get to here that those photos are before Caylee went missing. Another obvious lie. The photos were date stamped and the photographer said they were after. I can barely tolerate this family. Maybe I should be more empathic but uggh. Too frustrating . Also if they want Baez to get the trunk evidence thrown out, they are not interested in the truth or what really happened to Caylee, they just want Casey off the hook. I hope this does not offend people who are sympathetic to them but in my heart , to me the Anthonys are all about one thing, saving Casey now that Caylee is dead.

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

I moved this post as it fits in more on this thread Hope you all don't find that irritating. LOL. This stupid theory about how someone else put a body in the trunk is just idiotic. If I hear that blurb where CIndy says there was no smell until the car was towed , I will barf. Her daughter's text messages to Amy about the smell in the car when Casey was driving it will totally wreck that theory. Remember, the two dead squirrels story she texted and then she said I got rid of the smell. That was not after the car was towed obviously and Cindy knows this. I guess the nice way of saying it , is they are in denial. I think they are lying and misleading people on purpose. First I get to hear George say Casey was a good daughter, Really, stealing from grandparents and her parents and trying to unload her daughter on her mother all the time and lying all the time. Cindy supposedly told someone Casey was a freeloader who could not support her daughter and a sociopath. She also said she used men for money, I am paraphrasing but she told Tony he better have money. Then, we get to here that those photos are before Caylee went missing. Another obvious lie. The photos were date stamped and the photographer said they were after. I can barely tolerate this family. Maybe I should be more empathic but uggh. Too frustrating . Also if they want Baez to get the trunk evidence thrown out, they are not interested in the truth or what really happened to Caylee, they just want Casey off the hook. I hope this does not offend people who are sympathetic to them but in my heart , to me the Anthonys are all about one thing, saving Casey now that Caylee is dead.

No disrespect intended, but I have to ask if you have children?

[SaraSidle]

Gatordog I know you do not want to hear this but the mind and heart are always going to be black and white.
1&2 First of all I cannot fathom was is going in in the parent's minds at this time. the confusion and shock and acceptance must be so very strong. I do actually believe they were trying to help her instead of enable her. Cindy went to a therpist so we know she was seeking help. Casey was not mentally ill and it would have been quite the battle for Cindy to take Custody but she tried. She realized Casey had problems but I still do not know how deep she thinks those problems were.
3 I know there have been plenty of times that family members have turned someone in for one reason or another and it is very very hard to do. I had to move out of an apt I was staying at with my unemployed brother. Lease was up. After weeks of talking I just told him I would call LE if he did not leave. He left to stay with friends and I have felt guilty about it every since.
whew. did not mean to be so winded.......IMO sara

My response to Gatordog on George and Cindy.......IMO sara

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by wind149

<snip> I think George deep down, being a cop, knows the truth and I see a divorce on the horizon when the body is found, Cindy will still be in Casey's corner, and George will not be, just conjecture on my part, but I want all of you guy's imput on this, I am sure I am not alone with my feelings.

I agree with you. I doubt the marriage will survive this.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by deputydi

No disrespect intended, but I have to ask if you have children?

No I do not. But I can't imagine my brother lying for my nephews if he thought they killed his grandchild. I sort of gather your point is it is natural for them to want to save the daughter now that the granddaughter is dead and maybe some parents would. I just find it telling that it is not about disproving the forensics but getting them thrown out altogether which to me and this is just my opinion means they do not want to know the truth. It is just frustrating to see some of the stuff that is in those documents regarding what Cindy and George suspected and then see this little charade. Also, don't worry I did not take it as disrespect.

[NMurphy02]

make people mad with what I think of these people. I understand this must be a difficult time. But the stuff that Cindy said about Casey BEFORE all of this and what she is saying now is the complete opposite. I'm sure there is a lot of guilt associated with their actions, but if they truly loved their granddaughter like they say they do, they would face reality and help law enforcement and quit playing the blame game. They ALL need therapy and have for a long time. And I agree that their marriage is not going to survive this. Which is a shame for Cindy. George seems semi-normal and would probably be a great comfort to her. But she's so busy blaming everybody for what's going on, I'm sure she'll blame George too. Honestly I couldn't watch Nancy Grace last night because Cindy makes me want to scream.

And no I don't have children but I have family. And this has nothing to do with why I fell the way I do. Having children may have made me feel differently but I know people who have children who think they are nuts. Reality Bites.

[Brainstorm]

Originally Posted by NMurphy02

make people mad with what I think of these people. I understand this must be a difficult time. But the stuff that Cindy said about Casey BEFORE all of this and what she is saying now is the complete opposite. I'm sure there is a lot of guilt associated with their actions, but if they truly loved their granddaughter like they say they do, they would face reality and help law enforcement and quit playing the blame game. They ALL need therapy and have for a long time. And I agree that their marriage is not going to survive this. Which is a shame for Cindy. George seems semi-normal and would probably be a great comfort to her. But she's so busy blaming everybody for what's going on, I'm sure she'll blame George too. Honestly I couldn't watch Nancy Grace last night because Cindy makes me want to scream.

And no I don't have children but I have family. And this has nothing to do with why I fell the way I do. Having children may have made me feel differently but I know people who have children who think they are nuts. Reality Bites.

I agree. I think Cindy and Casey have been at war for years.Things get bad, then Cindy just lets it go,Casey has her way and on and on.
This time,when she called 911 is DIFFERENT. The whole world has heard that call and theres NO WAY we will let this go. There is a child involved here,NOT JUST CINDY and CASEY.
I dam sure aint buying Cindys' sh!+ and NOTHING she can say will change my mind.
Casey,UNLESS she tells where the child is, I dont want to see her disgusting mug anymore. She needs to rot,right where she's at,imo.
THEN, if she does tell, she still needs to ROT.

[wind149]

Wow! I am glad that we are all on the same page, I figured we were and I don't have children either, but I have god-kids who I love as if they were mine, but if any of them ever did this, I would not lie for them. I would not cover up anything, I would have to face that they murdered their own child, I would still love them though, as hard as it would be and I would have to accept that they would face life in prison or the DP and it would break my heart. What Cindy and George did is enable and they still are, I barf too every time I hear Cindy say that Caylee is still alive and they have "hot leads" well, as I said before, if they are so hot how come they ain't on a plane to wherever? If I thought my child might be in Russia, I would find a way there if I had to crawl.

Padilla brought up something that has me wondering. I guess they have set up another fund to help find Caylee and he is wondering if they are not doing this under false pretenses, instead of going to a search fund if the money won't be going for lawyer bills and such, and since I am long past thinking George must have been a Barney Fife, he certainly is not acting like any cop I know, and Cindy is getting on my last nerve, I would not put it past them and has anyone here got a straight answer as to who is paying Baez??? He bills at $450 an hour and these people are far from rich, in fact they are probably half way to destitute and is Cindy still working? They are gonna really lose it when they find the body and I have faith they will, Casey ain't that smart. And did you all barf when they were on the Today show and when asked why they have not called or visited her, Cindy comes out with, "She wants us to focus on Caylee" What a pile of horse ****! The real reason is everything is recorded and they know what a bad light she cast on the first jailhouse conversations, I can't get the "all they want to talk about is Caylee, all they care about is Caylee, what a waste calling them' and then the "oh yeah, that's all I care about too" out of my head and those words are gonna send her to the death house.

And let's not forget about the mantra from Cindy. "She is a good mother" Yeah, so good she palmed that kid off on anyone, she did not want the kid from the get go and I think she resented Cindy for forcing her to keep Caylee ,clearly there are issues between them and another thing I feel they have a good case of the guilts going on too. I feel for them to a point, when Caylee's body is found, they are gonna go off the deep end and I think now would be a good time to start accepting the fact that their daughter murdered her with chloroform, I mean she was on on-line trying to find a "recipe" for it and if that ain't premeditated, I don't know what is, and this case is only gonna get worse before it gets better.

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

No I do not. But I can't imagine my brother lying for my nephews if he thought they killed his grandchild. I sort of gather your point is it is natural for them to want to save the daughter now that the granddaughter is dead and maybe some parents would. I just find it telling that it is not about disproving the forensics but getting them thrown out altogether which to me and this is just my opinion means they do not want to know the truth. It is just frustrating to see some of the stuff that is in those documents regarding what Cindy and George suspected and then see this little charade. Also, don't worry I did not take it as disrespect.

Imagine having a child who has lied her entire life. She never got into real trouble with the law but she was definitely a "wild child" and partied too much, slept around, couldn't hold a job and you wondered if she would ever grow up. Frustrating? You bet. Aggravating? Absolutely. You keep telling yourself "some day she will see that life is not one long party", she will mature and finally become a responsible adult. She finds herself pregnant and you think "there is no love like a mother's love and this child will force her to take on some responsibility".

Once the baby is born they are still living with you and you grow very attached to this child. (I loved my children, but when my first grandchild was born I thought my heart would burst. It's an emotion unlike any other.)

Now jump ahead in your imagination. One day you and your daughter have a horrible, hurtful fight. You tell her that it is time she move out from the comfort zone and start taking care of her responsibilities. She leaves with her child and, when you don't hear from her for a period of time, you assume this is her cooling off period. Eventually one of you will cave and maybe you can resume the relationship and, it might even be a better one. When you are the one to cave, the world as you knew it implodes.

Your daughter has now crossed a line. She has stolen from practically everyone who cared about her. You find her abandoned care and it smells like a "dead body". You panic. The first call to 911 is from the heart. Then people start accusing your daughter of having murdered her child.

Don't you think when reality sets in it would be too much for any parent to accept? I can't imagine a hotter hell. I believe they know what happened to Caylee but to survive, there is no way they can say the words publicly. I don't know what George and Cindy are saying to each other, but I believe they are saying "the public be damned". This is the biggest heartache they may ever have to face. I can't blame them.

[Brainstorm]

Isnt Cindy a nurse? OMG, I hope she has taken a LOA. I cant imagine her judgement being any good,right now.
imo

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by beemeup

I totally get what u are saying deputydi-I would agree with you 100% if the Anthony's had conducted themselves differently. I cant even begin to imagine what they are going thru. I would have had sympathy for them had they been out searching themselves,had they kept there convoluted claims,denials etc. to themselves. One thing i hear Cindy do alot of is lie to cover for her daughter. I know people show grief and anxiety in many diff. ways. However there are pattern's of norm and what society generally accepts. This family just is so far off the charts it's mind boggling. They can believe whatever they want but they just had to be out there ramming it down our throats expecting us to buy it. It is very sad they have no visible family or friend support. When and if they have a crash and burn-oh lordy

I agree that they have behaved pretty badly, but what exactly do you expect them to do or say? IMO they have to believe Casey is innocent. For them, there is no alternative.

I don't like how they are acting either but I'm trying to imagine walking in their shoes. They anger and frustrate me when they say things like the rotting smell is old pizza and refuse to even consider the possibility that Caylee is dead. Do you really expect them to go on a show like NG and admit that there is a possibility that their daughter murdered her own child? I doubt ANY parent could do that regardless of what you may think you would do.

[lighthousedazy]

I mostly agree with you mu8shark and wind. I have known people that have lost children and grandchildren and accept the fact that they are deceased, but even in the Tara Grinstead case, her mom accepted that she is most likely and probably dead. Tara's body or remains haven't been found after 3 years. I really cannot understand G & C, although I cannot imagine being in their shoes. Watching NG tonight I changed the channel after 15 or 20 minutes. The defense team and "Doc" Kobilinski said there is still a possibility that the DNA results that the FBI released today might not be Caylees. Argh!!! just my opinion.

[mu8shark]

Originally Posted by lighthousedazy

I mostly agree with you mu8shark and wind. I have known people that have lost children and grandchildren and accept the fact that they are deceased, but even in the Tara Grinstead case, her mom accepted that she is most likely and probably dead. Tara's body or remains haven't been found after 3 years. I really cannot understand G & C, although I cannot imagine being in their shoes. Watching NG tonight I changed the channel after 15 or 20 minutes. The defense team and "Doc" Kobilinski said there is still a possibility that the DNA results that the FBI released today might not be Caylees. Argh!!! just my opinion.

That dna has to be Caylees, the mitrochrondial dna was either Caylee's or Caseys and the band on the hair showed decomp so what does that tell you? Casey is not dead. It could be mitronchrondial dna from other people but a jury has to ask themselves, what other person with that dna had a chance to be dead in her trunk? Then link that up with all the looking up chloroform and what do you know the presence of chloroform and all these people smelling a dead body and the lies. The defense is just spinning. They have a solid case, don't care what Kobe is now spouting. he is absurd.

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by beemeup

I hear ya and respect your opine greatly. My bone of contention i guess with Cindy and George is their daughter has been excused for almost everything. That irks me as i cant stand enabling parents and i am just being honest about that. I could probably get past that because they have lived a dynamic i no nothing of. My heart just hurts because where is Caylee in all this. Not one of that family did a darn thing to look for her and if they honestly believed she was alive i get that. I may not but i could respect that if they were spending their energy looking. I know George drove around in some truck with Caylee's pics/info whatever but my gawd they never even left the state. I would do that for my cat and i dont even have one. MOO

I don't know a whole lot about the family dynamics before all this happened, but I imagine Casey has been more or less a problem child most of her life. You don't start stealing and telling outrageous lies all of a sudden IMO. When caught in a lie, Cindy probably did what most parents do -- time-out, grounding, etc. In this instance, it just wasn't enough and her bad behavior escalated. I look at Casey as someone who felt entitled to whatever it is she wants and never considered the consequences. When Casey started stealing money from family members and friends, it was probably the last straw for them.

I still believe that Caylee died accidentally because of her mother's criminal choices. I think she was put in that car with the chloroform and died simply because her mother was in love with someone who didn't want a child. I don't think she intended for Caylee to die. In fact, I think she may have tried this before when she couldn't find a babysitter. The timing of those computer searches should shed some light on that.

I won't bore you with the details of my indirect experience with a problem teen, but my nephew (many years ago) was on a very destructive path and deep into drugs. My brother and sister-in-law were pulling their hair out and didn't know where to turn. They tried all the punishments they could think of to straighten him out and nothing worked. He was in his early teens and was stealing from them to support his drug habit. After years of worry and frustration, they joined a Tough Love group and finally kicked him out of the house. My S-I-L said it was the hardest thing she had ever done. It took a number of years and sometimes during those years, they didn't even know where he was. Turns out that most of the time he lived on the streets. He is now in his 30's and has a great relationship with his parents and is a responsible, productive member of society. He recognizes now that it was the best thing they could have done for him and knows they did it out of love.

I don't know if Casey's younger years were as turbulent as my nephew's, but that may have been what her parents were trying to accomplish when they kicked her out. It came a little too late, but I think at this point they had had enough. I think having watched my brother and his wife go through their heartache is why I seem to have so much sympathy for C & G. Can you even imagine a more painful admission than what the Anthony's will have to eventually face?

As much as I disliked the Petersons, I felt sorry for them also and tried to understand their attitude and statements about their narcissistic son also.

[wind149]

Besides Susan Smith and Pam Smart we have him and he gambled on the fact that Laci's body would never be found, but he too, was not that smart. Even if a body is weighed down, sooner or later the body gases wil expand and bring the body to the surface and I gotta think he was going crazy in his pea brain when she surfaced and he is a POS, and don't you agree CA is just like him? She sits in her cell, reading, getting things from the commisssary, and according to NG, people who feel sorry for her, can't be too many out there have put money in her commissary account and what morons these people must be. Ya ever notice the majority, the vast majority of folks will loathe somebody like her, and one or two complete idiots actually feel for these mutts, like even Couey had a few of these morons feeling sorry for him, and several of them were on the Court TV forum and I was so disgusted, they actually felt he was just a misunderstood creature and I wanted him to die very painfully and they thought, we, that wanted him to get his, were blood thirsty vigilantes, and I refused to be baited by them, one of these broads actually felt so bad she was planning on visiting him to see (GAG PUKE HURL) how she could help him, this is not a normal person, anyone who can feel sorry for a babyraping scumbag POS has got to be as sick as he is!!!

So already CA has "groupies" SICKENING! They think more of her than they do Caylee, putting money in her account is only helping her not Caylee!!!! And with the new evidence that proves beyond a doubt that Caylee is dead, C&G have better start bracing themselves and I don't know about you guys, but that forensic guy that is helping the defense, Kobolinsky, what a tool!! You can't get a straight answer out of him even when another forensic guy is challenging him, NG is getting disgusted with him, last night, a knowledgable forensic scientist was on NG, Jane was filling in, he made perfect sense to me, the hair is definately from a dead body, the decomp is human and the DNA shows only two people it could have come from, and one of them is surely dead and who is that? Koby tries running some spin about how it could also be from somebody else and the other guy was like huh? Well I think ole Koby there is geting paid well by somebody, notice how quick he joined the defense team? I think he is an idiot, and I would ask for a second opinion and IMO somebody far more removed from the case and that other guy was saying the truth, DNA does not lie. I think he might be feeding false hope to C&G, like the hair MIGHT NOT be Caylee's? Well he can run all the spin he wants, but people are gonna refute him when it comes to the trial. I have a gut feeling that her body will be found near the house, Padilla said something that CA was telling half-truths, and she has said that more than once, or it could be near the airport, either way, EQUUSEARCH is gonna find her, I have confidence in Tim Miller and of course C&G are mad at him, because they don't want to face the truth that is staring them right in the face and it is gonna be so hard for them, but as days go by, I have less and less concerns about their feelings, they made their daughter the way she is, and now they gonna have to live with the fact that she murdered her own daughter and now would be a good time to start facing that.

[NMurphy02]

Originally Posted by wind149

Besides Susan Smith and Pam Smart we have him and he gambled on the fact that Laci's body would never be found, but he too, was not that smart. Even if a body is weighed down, sooner or later the body gases wil expand and bring the body to the surface and I gotta think he was going crazy in his pea brain when she surfaced and he is a POS, and don't you agree CA is just like him? She sits in her cell, reading, getting things from the commisssary, and according to NG, people who feel sorry for her, can't be too many out there have put money in her commissary account and what morons these people must be. Ya ever notice the majority, the vast majority of folks will loathe somebody like her, and one or two complete idiots actually feel for these mutts, like even Couey had a few of these morons feeling sorry for him, and several of them were on the Court TV forum and I was so disgusted, they actually felt he was just a misunderstood creature and I wanted him to die very painfully and they thought, we, that wanted him to get his, were blood thirsty vigilantes, and I refused to be baited by them, one of these broads actually felt so bad she was planning on visiting him to see (GAG PUKE HURL) how she could help him, this is not a normal person, anyone who can feel sorry for a babyraping scumbag POS has got to be as sick as he is!!!

So already CA has "groupies" SICKENING! They think more of her than they do Caylee, putting money in her account is only helping her not Caylee!!!! And with the new evidence that proves beyond a doubt that Caylee is dead, C&G have better start bracing themselves and I don't know about you guys, but that forensic guy that is helping the defense, Kobolinsky, what a tool!! You can't get a straight answer out of him even when another forensic guy is challenging him, NG is getting disgusted with him, last night, a knowledgable forensic scientist was on NG, Jane was filling in, he made perfect sense to me, the hair is definately from a dead body, the decomp is human and the DNA shows only two people it could have come from, and one of them is surely dead and who is that? Koby tries running some spin about how it could also be from somebody else and the other guy was like huh? Well I think ole Koby there is geting paid well by somebody, notice how quick he joined the defense team? I think he is an idiot, and I would ask for a second opinion and IMO somebody far more removed from the case and that other guy was saying the truth, DNA does not lie. I think he might be feeding false hope to C&G, like the hair MIGHT NOT be Caylee's? Well he can run all the spin he wants, but people are gonna refute him when it comes to the trial. I have a gut feeling that her body will be found near the house, Padilla said something that CA was telling half-truths, and she has said that more than once, or it could be near the airport, either way, EQUUSEARCH is gonna find her, I have confidence in Tim Miller and of course C&G are mad at him, because they don't want to face the truth that is staring them right in the face and it is gonna be so hard for them, but as days go by, I have less and less concerns about their feelings, they made their daughter the way she is, and now they gonna have to live with the fact that she murdered her own daughter and now would be a good time to start facing that.

ITA with this. I've been sick of Kobi for a while. And I'm definately sick of C&G.

[Brainstorm]

Originally Posted by mu8shark

That dna has to be Caylees, the mitrochrondial dna was either Caylee's or Caseys and the band on the hair showed decomp so what does that tell you? Casey is not dead. It could be mitronchrondial dna from other people but a jury has to ask themselves, what other person with that dna had a chance to be dead in her trunk? Then link that up with all the looking up chloroform and what do you know the presence of chloroform and all these people smelling a dead body and the lies. The defense is just spinning. They have a solid case, don't care what Kobe is now spouting. he is absurd.

Kobe will say anything for the right amount of $ and publicity.They should do a side by side chart of his contasting statements,imo.

Originally Posted by NMurphy02

ITA with this. I've been sick of Kobi for a while. And I'm definately sick of C&G.

He's making a fool of himself,imo. He can't un-say what he's already said.I really can't imagine trying to justify any thing she did.AND for the almighty dollar!!!!
God help them.

[deputydi]

I always have respected Kobilinsky's input because he seemed to be unbiased and based his opinions on science and common sense. Until now, that is. I simply don't understand why he is now emulating the Geragos high road. If he had stuck to the scientific evidence and applied his usual common sense, it wouldn't matter to me whether he was a hired gun for the defense. His spin on the hair evidence is laughable. I heard him admit the banding shows it came from a dead body and he also admitted the MtDNA shows the likely donor was either Caylee, Casey, Cindy or Lee. He, then went on to say there are other possible sources in the general population. Come on now -- common sense tells you that the likelihood of that strand of hair coming from a complete stranger who just happened to be dead in the trunk of that particular car may be "possible" but the chance of this is so remote that I personally can't even consider it.

Kobi has lost all credibility with me too.

[Brainstorm]

Originally Posted by deputydi

I always have respected Kobilinsky's input because he seemed to be unbiased and based his opinions on science and common sense. Until now, that is. I simply don't understand why he is now emulating the Geragos high road. If he had stuck to the scientific evidence and applied his usual common sense, it wouldn't matter to me whether he was a hired gun for the defense. His spin on the hair evidence is laughable. I heard him admit the banding shows it came from a dead body and he also admitted the MtDNA shows the likely donor was either Caylee, Casey, Cindy or Lee. He, then went on to say there are other possible sources in the general population. Come on now -- common sense tells you that the likelihood of that strand of hair coming from a complete stranger who just happened to be dead in the trunk of that particular car may be "possible" but the chance of this is so remote that I personally can't even consider it.

Kobi has lost all credibility with me too.

Well said & ITA!!!!

[NMurphy02]

George and Cindy talk I want to scream. They are the biggest fools put on the planet earth.

I think the only way they are going to come to grips with reality is when Caylee's body is found. I'm sure even then it will someone else's fault but at least I won't have to listen to their odd theories & their coded messages. You know the ones where you have to wear a tin foil hat to understand?

[Brainstorm]

Ive had to remember LP saying George is saying something quite different off camera, to his friend.That he's tired of living with all these lies,IIRC.
Im wondering how DARE he/they continue to get in front of the cameras. Youre right about this. Fools.

and it will probably come back and bite them is the ass. Im counting on it.
imo

[wind149]

Did you hear the crap now coming out of Cindy's mouth today??? She totally believes NOW that Caylee is being "moved around"????? And if all these so called hot leads would be worth checking out how come Orange County ain't leaping?? Because it is pure D CRAP, the child has been dead now for 20 weeks, when her body is recovered, they might be able to tell how long ago she died, bones tell the truth, insect activity sometimes is a clue gross as that sounds, but maggots go through stages till they turn into flies, and if there are any of the egg cases found with the body, they might be able to pin point the time frame as to when they were laid on the body. I have faith that they will find her, my money is on the woody area by the airport or possibly near the home. Now I could care less how C&G feel, they are getting just ridiculous, I know people hold out hope, but in time, they start to realize that their loved one is dead and most folks then, just pray that someday, they can recover the remains and have a proper burial, at least then, they can go to the grave, they can talk to their loved one.

I have had to do this with friends of mine that have died, or in my best friend's case, he died in 2002 of liver cancer, we had him cremated which was his wish, and we scattered his ashes on the river where we all spent a lot of time boating and fishing and every time we went out on the boat, we would pour a Bud in the water for Honer and I would light a cigarette as we smoked the same kind, this is what he would have wanted, we had a place to go to remember him and all the good times we had. We knew he was going to die, we accepted it and when the time came, it made it easier on all of us that loved him dearly. Today, my friend's brother-in-law died from kidney failure, here again, we knew it was going to happen and he too, will be cremated, they had been living in AZ, and Ginger will be bringing back his ashes here.

When Caylee is recovered, it will be so much harder on these idiots, instead of blathering away about these hot leads and the absolute ridiculous notion that she is being moved around, they should be trying to get the truth out of their nasty ass daughter, what they should do is get angry with her, refuse to pay Baez so she ends up with a court appointed legal aid, basically let her have it, and instead they are just spinning BULLCRAP! No one in LE is taking this seriously, and this is why they are getting so pissed off, they expect everyone involved in this case to believe that Casey is as innocent as a lamb ,that Caylee was taken by somebody who does not want to give her back and unless they are living in an underground bunker, where nobody sees anything, everybody in this country KNOWS what that child looks like, her sweet face and image is embedded in everybody's mind in this country and even abroad, surely, if this kid was alive, somebody would have seen her. So I could give a crap less at this point for any of them, the whole family is one big lie!!!

[Brainstorm]

and they all said, "AMEN"
imo

[browneyes106]

After reading the stuff that Cindy's brother has posted online I do think Cindy and George have always had a dysfunctional marriage and family life. Maybe George was content in his career in LE in Ohio but Cindy was envious of George's family who worked in the auto business but he was pushed into the business by Cindy. It was noted that George didn't get along with his dad and had an anger problem and he later pushed his dad through a window. I think George and Cindy moved to Florida to put their past failures behind them. I think it was mentioned that Cindy didn't start working as a nurse until they moved to Florida. George probably couldn't work in LE in Florida due to the incident with his dad and maybe people refused to vouch for him and he ended up working as a security officer in Orlando. I think the Anthony home life was never really happy. I feel that Casey should be held responsible for her actions but we really don't know what kind of enviroment she grew up in. Maybe she learned certain things from George or Cindy. I think Cindy and George were type of people to live above their means and often struggled financially. They had finacial troubles before they moved to Florida. Casey also wanted to give up Caylee for adoption but Cindy stopped the whole from happening. At the time Casey was over 19 and could have easily put Caylee up for adoption but I believe that somehow Cindy found a way or convinced Casey not to give Caylee up. Maybe at the time Casey had some good reasoning in her head and felt she wasn't the type of person to be a mother. But Cindy could have gotten upset at the thought of not knowing her grandchild and stopped any adoption process without really seeing Casey's side. George filed for divorce a few months after Caylee's birth and there were problems in the marriage to his gambling additction. Like I said before Casey should be the only held responsible for Caylee's death but I think George and Cindy haven't always a positive influence on their children.

[abbra]

This is my first post and I want to say as a mom of a child who was killed by a drunk driver I know first hand about being in shock and I really think Cindy Anthony is in a shock of sorts wanting to believe that little Caylee is alive, not giving up hope. I know my system switched into numb mode when I was told my daughter passed away and that was my coping mechanism. You don't feel anything and your in a twilight world where your going slow while everything around you is in fast mode.
Cindy is probably blocking out the pain of impending loss with denial which will be devastating to her if reality states otherwise, especially since Caylee is her beloved granddaughter who she took care of and adored.
The newly released tapes of George Anthony speaking with police verifies the trauma Cindy will go through if its true that little Caylee is found deceased. George asked police to tell him first if they find Caylee dead so that he could prepare his wife for the worst and tell her that Caylee was found dead. He said something to the effect that hearing Caylee was dead would " kill Cindy"
Then theres the denial that we have seen of the public side of Cindy and George who seem unwilling to believe that their daughter Casey would be so disturbed that she would kill her own daughter.
These actions are all part of grief and grieving.

As for Casey Anthony from my observations she is a cold calculating young woman with no fear who knows exactly what she's doing. As you see her lies are catching up with her . She can't hide behind her " supposed fake crocodile tears," anymore.

[Michele]

If I post what I think of George and Cindy, I'll be banned ..

[abbra]

Originally Posted by beemeup

Welcome to the board. So very sorry to hear of your daughter's death. That is so tragic. I cant imagine what you went thru. Only try to understand thru your words. Yes Casey is so many things that if i said them i'd be gondy from the boards too. Angry and disappointed they did not find Caylee. Angry at Casey cuz she sure knows what happened to that child body

Thankyou Beemeup, I am not sure what happened with the search but I am guessing little Caylee was not found yet!

[wind149]

Ah, Geez, I am at a point now where I don't know what I believe anymore, just more resentment and anger towards Casey and yeah, I am starting to really hate the parents too! As for Bro Lee,he has just shut right up, I think he knows deep down that Caylee is dead and is not going to be in the public eye. I just wish this ***** would just give it up, but she is not going to, unless the DA really hammers away at her, and the DP should never leave the table!

And lady, I am so sorry about your daughter, I lost my beautiful god daughter to a drunk POS loser who while being very drunk, was high on heroin and an illegal alien to boot! She and a friend were on spring break in FL and they were on a sidewalk going to the beach and he plowed into them at a high rate of speed and killed both of them. He tried to flee but other people grabbed him and pinned him down till the cops got there and then to add insult to injury, Daddy is a diplomat from Honduras, and his lawyer just wanted sonny boy to just be deported, no jail time at all and luckily, sometimes the law shines upon the victims and the scumbag got 40-life ,but like your daughter, my Rae Rae won't be the vet she wanted to be, she won't give her mom grandkids, and this just about killed my friend. She never got out of bed for months, just drank herself back to sleep, her husband, Rae's stepdad tried everything to bring her back and only when that scumbag went to jail did she finally join the living again. I took this very hard because I wasn't living in New England anymore so I could go see my friend ,she would not take calls most of the time either so it was a very sad time for everyone especially when Rae's father was also murdered by a POS in 1992 and none of us had really ever recovered from that yet, so my friend has seen more grief than most people could ever handle. Now she is better, she is back being herself for the most part, but for a woman who used to be so vibrant ,and all the crazy things we all did together, the light still is not back in her eyes and I don't guess that it will come back for awhile, if ever. So I feel your pain from here sister, I still see Rae dragging home yet another stray cat or dog going, "Mom this cat does not have a home and everyone needs a home" Or riding her cow Lady, or when she got older and wanted clothes, "Aunt Linda, that pink bathing suit would look awesome on me" And of course she knew I would buy it for her! When she lost her Dad she was only 5 and it hit her hard as she was also Daddy's girl, and she and her brother who was 8 had to endure a trial, they had to look at the ******* that murdered their Dad for absolutely no reason other than something he thought that "G" had and it took these poor kids a long time to come to grips and be able to talk about him because we all encouraged them to do so, even if they were pissed off that day, I would sit with Rae and Glen and just let them talk, cry, whatever it took and slowly, they bounced back and when they got a new stepdad he has always been there for them too. So I do know what damage drunk drivers do, they make selfish choices, and then whine and snivel in front of the judge and beg him or her to not send them to jail! Still all about them right to the end!!! The puke that killed Rae had the balls to try to victimize himself, like somebody forced him to down a bottle of booze, shoot heroin in his veins and then get into a Benz Daddy bought and careen into two beautiful girls who had everything to live for! He had the nerve to blame THIS COUNTRY on his habits, I was surprised to learn that he was here illegally, seeing as Daddy was some big shot, I am glad I was not in the courtroom because I don't think I could have held my temper during that whinefest!!! Thank God, the jury saw fit to find him guilty of two counts of murder and now by proxy, he is a guest of the Florida penal system for the next 40 years and if I am still alive by the time this puke comes up for parole, I will be in that room!!!

[crimelibrarian]

Originally I felt very sorry for George and Cindy Anthony, but now, I am not so sure - they need to pull their head out of the sand and quit making excuses for their daughter - the more info that comes out about this case, the more obvious it is that they are and have been for a long time, a truly dysfunctional family -

Also, when I learned that Cindy Anthony provided the officials with the wrong hairbrush for a DNA sample of Caylee - I lost all respect for her -

[sharlock]

Did anyone notice when George was tesifying he was taken by surprise with that passport question. He truly didn't know Casey had one!?

[Vanillaangel]

I think that the news is reporting the DA's office may prosecute them as well, is great great news!
Casey represents herself to be a sociopath, though not able to use insanity as a defense in this case. And her parents and brother prove that apple did not only grow far from the tree but they all fell/failed together, this precious baby girl.
Damn them all!

[Vanillaangel]

Well, the latest news is the Anthony's, through their new attorney Conway, are going to ask for full immunity in exchange for full cooperation with authorities. *Article*
This is one of those, let me get this straight, moments.
When authorities were asking for Caylee's grandparents cooperation to find their grand baby alive, (hopefully), they told conflicting stories, gave the wrong hairbrush for DNA testing, recanted their assertion there was the smell of a dead body in the back of Casey's car, when George Anthony knew that smell well enough being a retired homicide cop of 10 years. Refused to allow volunteers searching for the baby to hold a memorial service in her honor, insisted she was alive yet never went out searching for her themselves, etc.... etc.... etc....

Now that Caylee's body has most likely been found a little more than two blocks from their home, they're willing to cooperate fully, if the law promises not to prosecute them!

This precious little girl never had a chance. Born into what appears to be a cult of child murderers like these 4 worthless human beings who are selfish and self absorbed, even when their grand baby was discarded like trash by her mother and their daughter.

I hope the prosecutors office revises their decision and do pursue the death penalty in this case. And, in a perfect world, they'd prosecute Cindy and George Anthony as accessories after the fact, seeking life without parole.
They killed Caylee. They should pay with their lives for that.

[POE-33]

I heard on TV last night that George & Cindy are now claiming that the Nanny killed Caylee and dumped her body near their home.
That's beyond absurd.

Henry Lee, Koblinki, etc. say that they are working Pro Bono, but they are actually promoting themselves and enhancing their reputations.
Their job is to confuse the jury with technical jargon and double talk.
They are disgusting.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by POE-33

I heard on TV last night that George & Cindy are now claiming that the Nanny killed Caylee and dumped her body near their home.
That's beyond absurd.

Henry Lee, Koblinki, etc. say that they are working Pro Bono, but they are actually promoting themselves and enhancing their reputations.
Their job is to confuse the jury with technical jargon and double talk.
They are disgusting.

LOL What Nanny? They've yet to produce her but I believe she's already sitting in jail and sharing the same cell with Casey. IMO.

Welcome to CL POE.

[POE-33]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

LOL What Nanny? They've yet to produce her but I believe she's already sitting in jail and sharing the same cell with Casey. IMO.

Welcome to CL POE.

Thanks for the welcome, Snoop.

My theory is that when Cindy first made the 911 call, she was angry with Casey because Casey had stolen her car and ran up thousands of dollars on her credit card. She probably thought that Casey wouldn't tell her where Caylee was, out of spite and that Casey would have to tell the Police where Caylee was. Once the Police arrested Casey and the lawyer got involved, George & Cindy realized that Caylee was dead and have been in cover-up mode ever since. They have been running around pretending that they are searching for Caylee, in order to create a plausible defense for Casey.

[barbiedoll]

what i think about cindy and george anthony is that as a parent myself i can understand how they want to protect their child because they love her but as a person i feel that they do know more about the missing grandchild. i do not want to believe that they , the anthony's have anything to do with the missing caylee, but as the days go by and by the telephone visit with casey it's starting to look like they are hiding something and that casey is looking even more guilty

[POE-33]

If George and Cindy have nothing to hide, why are they seeking immunity in exchange for their cooperation?

I thought they claimed that they were cooperating all along.