Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[joekuhl79]

Originally Posted by minga

Of course they do. But even with phone cards etc. pay as you go, pay per phone....what's the point of constantly changing? That doesn't make sense. Do you possibly believe Casey is telling the truth or something?

You weren't being snide were you? I'm thinking not, and that I am just irritable.

No no... What I meant was, if she ran up one bill, she could have easily went out and gotten a prepay for as little as $25...plus for that kind of money, phones get disposable...no biggie if it gets 'lost' or 'stolen'...

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by lighthousedazy

You are probably right. I have also heard that the higher the IQ, the easier it is to be hypnotized, but I would think that Casey is just average, if that. jmo

I never thought of that One2Snoop and Lighthousedazy. with her mental status none of tht may do any good just like a lie decector test. there goes my dream of hypnotism or truth serum IMO

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

I never thought of that One2Snoop and Lighthousedazy. with her mental status none of tht may do any good just like a lie decector test. there goes my dream of hypnotism or truth serum IMO

I know what you mean by pay for phone Joe. It is a possiblitly and that is why i hope all the phone records of her family and friends are checked. IMO

[Karin]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

I know what you mean by pay for phone Joe. It is a possiblitly and that is why i hope all the phone records of her family and friends are checked. IMO

Hi Sara, Why would they have not already gotten all the phone records? This is the most frustrating case I've seen in a long time. Wonder if they will ever get Casey and Cindy to talk?

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by 4u2

Hey guys, check this out
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2...aylees-father/

First time I am hearing about this Caylee does show a resemblence to him.

4U2 I have thought that all along because of the pictures but I heard they did not know each other long enough. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Karin

Hi Sara, Why would they have not already gotten all the phone records? This is the most frustrating case I've seen in a long time. Wonder if they will ever get Casey and Cindy to talk?

Karin I think the phone records were helpful in conjunciton with the lie detectors tests given to Casey's 3 friends. I am sure if they thought the phone records of her friends would help they would look at them also. what really frustrates me is we still do not know when she actually went missing. 9th,15th.16th

[4u2]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

4U2 I have thought that all along because of the pictures but I heard they did not know each other long enough. IMO

Really, I never heard of this guy JP, never saw his picture. But Sarasidle, even a 10 min. span of the day could be long enough, no? ..lol

[4u2]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Karin I think the phone records were helpful in conjunciton with the lie detectors tests given to Casey's 3 friends. I am sure if they thought the phone records of her friends would help they would look at them also. what really frustrates me is we still do not know when she actually went missing. 9th,15th.16th

I don't think they mentioned her boyfriend, Tony. Unless I missed it, they didn't include his name when they talked about lie detector tests. Wonder why?

Also, I'm sure she couldn't have been missing on the 9th, because there are photo's of Caylee with her great grandfather on the 15th. LE went to nursing home to confirm that Cindy and Caylee were there on Father's Day, 15th. Also, neighbors said they heard the Anthony's fighting and that is when Casey took Caylee and left.

The dingbat can't even lie straight. Casey has to be the dumbest person on earth. Any time her mouth is open - it's lying and lying and doesn't make a bit of sense.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by 4u2

Really, I never heard of this guy JP, never saw his picture. But Sarasidle, even a 10 min. span of the day could be long enough, no? ..lol

I cannot argue that but I was talking in years..........LOL

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by 4u2

I don't think they mentioned her boyfriend, Tony. Unless I missed it, they didn't include his name when they talked about lie detector tests. Wonder why?

Also, I'm sure she couldn't have been missing on the 9th, because there are photo's of Caylee with her great grandfather on the 15th. LE went to nursing home to confirm that Cindy and Caylee were there on Father's Day, 15th. Also, neighbors said they heard the Anthony's fighting and that is when Casey took Caylee and left.

The dingbat can't even lie straight. Casey has to be the dumbest person on earth. Any time her mouth is open - it's lying and lying and doesn't make a bit of sense.

I know what you mean. And she keeps digging herself deeper. the one thing I remember is the psych experts say listen to her lies cause there is always some truth to them. Well I am trying..........imo

[BentNotBroken]

Hi guys, I have a question that may sound dumb, but its been bugging me. When LE discovered there was no "nanny" at the apartment that casey apparently dropped off caylee, what excuse did she have for "this" lie? I mean, surely the landlord could prove who tennanted the apartment, and if there was no Zenaida Gonzalez that ever lived there, hth can she explain that? Or did she? Its one part of this sad puzzle that keeps niggling at me. I apologize if its been explained before, but I might have missed it.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by BentNotBroken

Hi guys, I have a question that may sound dumb, but its been bugging me. When LE discovered there was no "nanny" at the apartment that casey apparently dropped off caylee, what excuse did she have for "this" lie? I mean, surely the landlord could prove who tennanted the apartment, and if there was no Zenaida Gonzalez that ever lived there, hth can she explain that? Or did she? Its one part of this sad puzzle that keeps niggling at me. I apologize if its been explained before, but I might have missed it.

Funnily enough she never gave an explanation at all because she continued to insist that Zenaida existed and that she had been led to beleive and thought that was Zenaidas address, as she had dropped Caylee there before. When she realised that noone lived in the apartment she did backtrack a little saying that she never entered the apartment, just dropped Caylee off on the stairs. The cops tried to call her on this as well by saying that they had seen the camera footage for that night and there was no sign of her or Caylee being on the steps that night. Casey just ignored this and continued to say she was telling the truth. It looks like the cops may have been trying to bluff her though because they never pushed the point either.

[BentNotBroken]

Hi Sharlock, another aussie *waves*
yeah its weird the lies, who would just drop off their child on the stairs and never go in the apartment? Hello? You dont go inside your nannys home? But, I did go thru some stuff, and that would be one of the first charges against her, (the obstruction of justice and negligence of a child) that she was first bailed out from (I think), so when it goes to trial, she will face that lie and the others, (am i right?). Its just got so confusing cos shes been nabbed with all these fraud charges on top of the original one. Bloody circus really. I did read that the theft/fraud charges alone will carry a seventy year term, but is this on top of the original charges of hindering police and child endangerment? It really does your head in trying to work it all out. The thing that gets me, is a childs life is in jeopardy (sadly I think a childs remains are going to be beyond any forensic justice), but they are playing it out like a game. Just put her in main stream jail and then see if she talks. They are protecting the *****.

[BentNotBroken]

I wonder where the trial will be held. They will keep it in USA, this case is on par with scott peterson, and they didnt move that trial very far. Do they ever send trials overseas?

[Woostock]

So where was Caylee while Casey supposedly went to work every day? What was Casey doing? I guess we will have to wait to see what LE comes up with...
... I just hope that LE has all their ducks in order so there will be some justice. This case is one for the books..and to be truthful I hate the idea that the sociopath is not confined to a prison cell.
At this point in time I can't imagine a body will be found. Casey had a month head start which could mean the body might never be found. I have wondered if someone else was involved....or can shed light on something Casey might have said....that could really help LE.

[BentNotBroken]

Woostock, I did read somewhere that another person may be involved. Due to the amount of phone calls made by or recieved by casey at the time caylee went missing. I cant recall where I read that now, might have been nancy grace, or a blog. I read so much, and it does in your head doesnt it. One person I (IMOO) that may be involved is old george the dad. All the obvious reasons, an ex homicide LE, he shyed away from the home when cindy called him when she made the first 911 calls (he tried to send Lee to sort it out). He would know how to dispose the body, and then told casey to do a runner and not report caylee missing. The estrangement from that family to me seems to be between cindy and casey. Maybe george is closer to casey than cindy was. Maybe the online rumours of the hair dna being akin, maybe george was caylees dad. Its sick to say that, but its all very probable. I wonder what the deal is with the hair dna sample from the car boot. Theres just so much LE have reported to the public, then you think WTH. Then they let her go. Its weird alright. Poor little Caylee, I just hope she is found and the truth comes out.

[Woostock]

Frankly I would not be surprised if any of the immediate family knows more than they are letting on.. And that may be exactly why they have hired an atty.
I am trying to stay positive that there will be justice for little Caylee; unfortunately for her she was born to a really screwed up mother and I use that word only in a biological context.

[BentNotBroken]

sadly, we may never know the truth. Going back to scott peterson, even tho he is on death row, we still really dont know what happened to laci, not really. Oh yeah, we know he killed her, but all those thousands of questions have never been answered. Casey is on par with him. And, like him, shes just as smug and cold. The thing with scott peterson, they found his wife and sons bodies. I reckon Casey got rid of caylee so good, she is confident no body will ever be found. Thats why she is so carefree and oblivious, cos she thinks without a body showing up, she will be safe. All her dumb lies, she sprouts off, then damage control lawyer comes in, and they retract statements (including Lee). Without a body tho, she "thinks" she is home free. Her lies can be interpretted in court by her defense as a cover up ecause she "had to lie, cos it was to save her daughters life. She made up all these stories, cos she was scared whoever had caylee would kill her" that will be the defense, also the protesters are fuelling this defense arguement. i wish they would stop it. Its not helping Caylee, in fact, it is helping caseys defense. Its all the defense they have. Back to my point tho, her lies will always be there. In her head, she believes these lies, and she will go to her grave and still these lies will never be solved. just like scott petersons lies. Just like James Miller (truro murderer) even on his deathbed, he couldnt come clean with his lies.

[Brainstorm]

Originally Posted by BentNotBroken

Hi Sharlock, another aussie *waves*
yeah its weird the lies, who would just drop off their child on the stairs and never go in the apartment? Hello? You dont go inside your nannys home? But, I did go thru some stuff, and that would be one of the first charges against her, (the obstruction of justice and negligence of a child) that she was first bailed out from (I think), so when it goes to trial, she will face that lie and the others, (am i right?). Its just got so confusing cos shes been nabbed with all these fraud charges on top of the original one. Bloody circus really. I did read that the theft/fraud charges alone will carry a seventy year term, but is this on top of the original charges of hindering police and child endangerment? It really does your head in trying to work it all out. The thing that gets me, is a childs life is in jeopardy (sadly I think a childs remains are going to be beyond any forensic justice), but they are playing it out like a game. Just put her in main stream jail and then see if she talks. They are protecting the *****.

I thought it ODD that Cindy had never talked to,met,picked up,dropped off Cayle,from there,the NANNYs.
Also,strange, how she didnt know anything about the woman.Casey had told her,only, the nanny. Not her name,phone #, address, etc.etc.(LIKE NORMAL PROPLE)

[Woostock]

That's exactly right and I posted that same thought before. Any grandparent would ask for a phone number and if they were really diligent perhaps would want to meet the baby sitter, see where they lived, etc. But at the least they would obtain a phone number in case of an emergency.They were so involved with Caylee's life yet they didn't know where she spent her days......The bottom line is they had no idea where Casey and Caylee were when they left the house or they are lying just like their daughter. When all this goes to court it will be interesting when Cindy gets on the stand and she is asked about this. What a bunch of losers that family is. Caylee deserved better, poor baby.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by BentNotBroken

I wonder where the trial will be held. They will keep it in USA, this case is on par with scott peterson, and they didnt move that trial very far. Do they ever send trials overseas?

I have never heard of that Bent. this is so well known It will be hard to find a place and jury that has not heard of anything. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Thanks again so much Odette and One2Snoopy for the links and photos. They are very helpful.

[Brainstorm]

I lit a candle,just now and ask that God open their eyes and hearts,let them tell the truth and put an end to this madness and evil.IMOO

[SaraSidle]

Thank you Brainstorm. I wil do the same.....

[sharlock]

I disagree that Cindy and George knew anything about Caylee being missing or that George helped Casey dispose of the body. It just doesn't add up at all with their actions. If you read the statements made by George and Cindy to the police, in those 400 documents that were released, it is very apparent that George especially was as helpful to LE as he could be. He let them have access to anything they wanted without a subpoeana and when they wanted to search the backyard it was George who told them that the pavers had been layed recently and that there was a patch of the soil in the yard that was disturbed.
I don't like the way the family seem to have gone into denial anymore than everyone else but the fact is that when these grandparents found their grandchild was missing their actions and dealings with the police were above reproach. I don't know how I would handle a situation like this if I were them but I don't think they can be judged to harshly for wanting to beleive against the odds that their daughter did not kill their grandchild. Cindy repeatedly has said when the police can show her that Caylee is dead she will stop looking and stop hoping but until then she can't. Not to mention that Casey is a skilled manipulator and she knows how to act to have her parents beleive her. There are a lot of bloggers that have found unusual info and links regarding a Zenaida Gonzales and Romeo etc. I will post these theories later. I personally don't think they will pan out but if they give some bloggers the idea that Casey might be innocent then I can understand how the family would jump on that as a real possibility. It is certainly more palatable then the alternative.
I totally agree that the protestors have been getting out of control and it doesn't help anyone least of all poor Caylee.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by BentNotBroken

Hi Sharlock, another aussie *waves*
yeah its weird the lies, who would just drop off their child on the stairs and never go in the apartment? Hello? You dont go inside your nannys home? But, I did go thru some stuff, and that would be one of the first charges against her, (the obstruction of justice and negligence of a child) that she was first bailed out from (I think), so when it goes to trial, she will face that lie and the others, (am i right?).

Hey Mate! Nice to see another Aussie round here!
Casey is expected to defend her actions in this part as being the actions of a frightened mum who didn't know better lol! More like a selfish person who doesn't deserve to be called mum! It has been also speculated though that Casey might be preparing a reduced responsibility argument depending on how much evidence turns up against her. Who knows though, not me!

Its just got so confusing cos shes been nabbed with all these fraud charges on top of the original one. Bloody circus really. I did read that the theft/fraud charges alone will carry a seventy year term, but is this on top of the original charges of hindering police and child endangerment? It really does your head in trying to work it all out.

You are right there. This would be Casey's first conviction on fraud charges so the reality is that she would be looking at 3 years tops and perhaps a good behaviour bond. 10years maximum for each count isn't even close to what she would really get and the judge can't give her a harsher sentence than normal to account for her treatment of her daughter because it is a seperate matter entirely.
You probably know this but Casey has tried to excuse these thefts by saying that she would lie cheat and steal to help her daughter. Makes you want to gaff doesn't it. I mean she stole the money from her grandpa's assisted living fund before Caylee even went missing. She is a real piece of work.

The thing that gets me, is a childs life is in jeopardy (sadly I think a childs remains are going to be beyond any forensic justice), but they are playing it out like a game. Just put her in main stream jail and then see if she talks. They are protecting the *****.

Unfortunately I agree with you. I don't think Caylee is alive and that beautiful child deserves a proper burial not an ink tattoo on her selfish mothers arm and an unmarked grave!

[joekuhl79]

Originally Posted by BentNotBroken

Woostock, I did read somewhere that another person may be involved. Due to the amount of phone calls made by or recieved by casey at the time caylee went missing. I cant recall where I read that now, might have been nancy grace, or a blog.

This is Padillas theory - and it makes sense, but I think he doesn't 'know' anything, just hypothesis.

Originally Posted by BentNotBroken

The estrangement from that family to me seems to be between cindy and casey. Maybe george is closer to casey than cindy was.

The estrangement is due to Cindy confronting Casey about stealing from the grandparents - based on the counselors recommendations. I don't think that George was that close to Casey...

[Gatordog]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Ruzzty and Gatordog, Is there a place in Orlando that sells clothes with shamrocks on it like shirts or caps? Resturant? University? I am starting to think it means something. IMO

Hi Sara,

Two places come to mind. There is the United Kingdom Pavilion located in Epcot, Walt Disney World and the other is a big pub not too far from Casey's haunts. On Fairbanks Avenue or Aloma Avenue (same street, changes names) in Winter Park there is the Fiddler's Green Pub. It's about 25 minutes from her house. Also, International Drive has a very large population of European tourists and lots of discount shops. The best bet though would be Fiddler's Green.

[deacon]

Originally Posted by joekuhl79

This is Padillas theory - and it makes sense, but I think he doesn't 'know' anything, just hypothesis.





The estrangement is due to Cindy confronting Casey about stealing from the grandparents - based on the counselors recommendations. I don't think that George was that close to Casey...

IIRC those calls were to a lot of different people, friends and family. That really wouldn't really point to any one other person being involved. I really think casey is the only one involved in this.

[Gatordog]

It just doesn't seem to get any better for the family. This doesn't surprise me. - Attorney General is investigating for fraud in the donations to find Caylee.

Gator

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,7454090.story

[deacon]

Originally Posted by Gatordog

It just doesn't seem to get any better for the family. This doesn't surprise me. - Attorney General is investigating for fraud in the donations to find Caylee.

Gator

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,7454090.story

The best "donation" that they could give is opening their mouths.

[TOEJAM]

Originally Posted by Gatordog

Hi Sara,

Two places come to mind. There is the United Kingdom Pavilion located in Epcot, Walt Disney World and the other is a big pub not too far from Casey's haunts. On Fairbanks Avenue or Aloma Avenue (same street, changes names) in Winter Park there is the Fiddler's Green Pub. It's about 25 minutes from her house. Also, International Drive has a very large population of European tourists and lots of discount shops. The best bet though would be Fiddler's Green.

what is the signifigance of the shamrock clothes? have i missed something here?

is there any word on wether Casey will be rearrested on the new fraud charges?

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Gatordog

Hi Sara,

Two places come to mind. There is the United Kingdom Pavilion located in Epcot, Walt Disney World and the other is a big pub not too far from Casey's haunts. On Fairbanks Avenue or Aloma Avenue (same street, changes names) in Winter Park there is the Fiddler's Green Pub. It's about 25 minutes from her house. Also, International Drive has a very large population of European tourists and lots of discount shops. The best bet though would be Fiddler's Green.

Thanks Gatordog. thanks very much. sara

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by TOEJAM

what is the signifigance of the shamrock clothes? have i missed something here?

is there any word on wether Casey will be rearrested on the new fraud charges?

Well TOEJAM at this point I have seen Caylee with pictures of shamrocks on her clothes. Casey with a hat with shamrocks on it and I think it is a possiblilty that TES found a hat. I am wondering if there is a connection and if someone did spend time with Casey and help her with Caylee and lost his/her hat. IMO

[Gatordog]

A dog found a human child's foot in Russelville, Alabama.

It is approximately 11 hours to Russelville from Orlando. Round trip - it could cover the 24 hours that Casey had her cell phone turned off. I hate to think about it but it's possible. It is a straight drive on I75.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/....ap/index.html

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by Gatordog

A dog found a human child's foot in Russelville, Alabama.

It is approximately 11 hours to Russelville from Orlando. Round trip - it could cover the 24 hours that Casey had her cell phone turned off. I hate to think about it but it's possible. It is a straight drive on I75.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/22/....ap/index.html

I was just reading that story (it was posted here on another thread)- sounds like the foot would be "to new" as they said it hadn't decomposed that much. Caylee's been gone for 3 months now. Don't know though, anythings possible.

[One2Snoop]

Protesters Want Anthony Family to Admit Caylee's Dead
Monday, September 22, 2008

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426061,00.html

[One2Snoop]

I don't think the little girl looks like Caylee at all. Besides Casey was in Orlando spending someone elses money when this supposed sighting took place....

Couple Says Photo Shows Caylee; FBI Dismisses It
FBI Says This Is Just One Of Many Such Tips

POSTED: 4:01 pm EDT September 22, 2008
UPDATED: 5:25 pm EDT September 22, 2008

http://www.wesh.com/news/17531153/detail.html

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by beemeup

You hate to hear of any such finding however thats just the way it is today. It did get me thinking about Padilla's theory. Maybe she did have help disposing of poor Caylee and it required a road trip. I did not catch if he said there was some cell phone activity or none (on Nancy Grace) on the twentysomething dates. Sorry i dont want to quote the dates. I shall see if i can go back and find the clip of that interview with N.G. He said it quietly and did not catch if he said some cell phone activity or none. it would make sense she was pre-occupied some how since she was such a cell phone addict.

I also read that it was either a child or young adult per physicians in another article. IMO

[Brainstorm]

It must be storming at the As house. The webcam is blurred,bad.