Caylee Anthony Case Discussion Only

[Mojave]

Here's a link: http://www.local6.com/news/16906125/detail.html

I'm not sure if we're allowed to post the text from links but: This two year-old girl has been missing for over a month but her mother has just now reported it (at the urging of her parents).

Apparently, the mother is also a known pathalogical liar who has come up with a string of stories about where her daughter is. All of her stories have turned out to be false. When asked why she waited so long to report this, she claimed that she wanted to run her own investigation.

This poor little girl. I wonder what the chances are that she could still be alive.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Mojave

Here's a link: http://www.local6.com/news/16906125/detail.html

I'm not sure if we're allowed to post the text from links but: This two year-old girl has been missing for over a month but her mother has just now reported it (at the urging of her parents).

Apparently, the mother is also a known pathalogical liar who has come up with a string of stories about where her daughter is. All of her stories have turned out to be false. When asked why she waited so long to report this, she claimed that she wanted to run her own investigation.

This poor little girl. I wonder what the chances are that she could still be alive.

I wish Mom was forced to tell the truth in some way. I am very worrked about the girl. IMO

[Mojave]

I should edit this. Casey is apparently the name of the mother. The missing girl is Caylee.

[One2Snoop]

Mojave you'll have to ask admin Deepwater to change it.

What a bizarre story - I'm with you Sara I wish they could somehow make her tell where Caylee is.

[SaraSidle]

Well I would love to know what mom is hiding.
Where is her daughter?
Is her daughter alive?
Is mom keeping daughter from Grandma?
Where is daughters father?
And his family?
Why did mom leave her car abandoned?
Why did she borrow neighbors shovel?
IMO

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Well I would love to know what mom is hiding.
Where is her daughter?
Is her daughter alive?
Is mom keeping daughter from Grandma?
Where is daughters father?
And his family?
Why did mom leave her car abandoned?
Why did she borrow neighbors shovel?
IMO

I also do not think Grandmas is being very honest. IMO

[SaraSidle]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/22/....ap/index.html

well now they think Mom did it so they made her bail more than she can afford. Found Caylee's hair in her trunk of her abandoned car and the car smells like decomposition. IMO

[Karin]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Well I would love to know what mom is hiding.
Where is her daughter?
Is her daughter alive?
Is mom keeping daughter from Grandma?
Where is daughters father?
And his family?
Why did mom leave her car abandoned?
Why did she borrow neighbors shovel?
IMO

This mother is acting so strange. She is definitely hiding something. I can't imagine what is going on, but I am afraid of what we are going to find out. What a precious little girl! I hope this has a good ending.....

[Livia]

I too am extremely concerned about this little girl. She is such an innocent little thing--just look at that lovely little face, it makes me sick to think that something bad could have happened to her!

I admit I'm not privy to all the facts of the case (I guess none of us are!), but it does seem very, very suspicious to me. How could a mother not report her child missing for so long? Also people who know the mom have called her a "pathological liar". No, that doesn't make a person a child abuser, much less a killer--then again, it hardly makes them "mother of the year", either! It also makes searching for this little girl that much harder, when even the mom won't cooperate with the authorities!

I admit I'm kind of leery of the grandmother, too. I saw her on Greta van Susteren's show the other night, and she seemed very unwilling to answer direct questions. She said it's because she's so exhausted and overwhelmed, etc, and while that might be true, it still seemed kind of odd to me. Nancy Grace seemed to feel that the grandmother was pretty evasive when she was a guest on her show, too. I know none of this proves anything, but still....

And that business about the shovel, added to the cadaver dog's alerting to the trunk of the abandoned car (WHY was it abandoned?!), and finding hairs in the trunk that seem consistent with Caylee's...it all just makes me very, very uneasy. The grandmother even suggested that the dog might have been reacting to an old pizza stored in the trunk!!! Nancy Grace (I think it was Grace) asked an expert about that, and they said no, cadaver dogs are trained to alert only to the scent of human decomposition, not to spoiled food or anything else. So much for that "theory", I guess!

I am just so scared for this little girl. I hope and pray I am wrong, but I am so afraid that something terrible has happened to her. I just hope I'm wrong!!

For beautiful little Caylee:

[alisa31235]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/07/22/....ap/index.html

well now they think Mom did it so they made her bail more than she can afford. Found Caylee's hair in her trunk of her abandoned car and the car smells like decomposition. IMO

i bet the family did not know of the evidence the prosecuter had about the dogs,hair and what appeared to be blood in the car imo

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by alisa31235

i bet the family did not know of the evidence the prosecuter had about the dogs,hair and what appeared to be blood in the car imo

I am quite sure if she is a POI that maybe she abandoned that car for that reason..IMO

[m2kfl]

As of now Casey has not bailed out. The parents need to raise $50,000 in order to purchase the $500,000 bond. The family finances are tight so it will take everything they have to pull this off.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by m2kfl

As of now Casey has not bailed out. The parents need to raise $50,000 in order to purchase the $500,000 bond. The family finances are tight so it will take everything they have to pull this off.

MURT

and there may not be enough for her defense when there is a trial. IMO

[m2kfl]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

and there may not be enough for her defense when there is a trial. IMO

If Casey is tried for the current charges, the bail would not increase.

If she is tried for a capitol offence (murder) bail would be unlikely.

MURT

[m2kfl]

The florida prosecuter now says that Caylee may have been murdered. This is a more direct accusation against Casey.

Casey is still in custody. OCSO is still investigating with the possability that Caylee is still alive.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by m2kfl

The florida prosecuter now says that Caylee may have been murdered. This is a more direct accusation against Casey.

Casey is still in custody. OCSO is still investigating with the possability that Caylee is still alive.

MURT

Well either way for whatever charges she could end up with a pro bono lawyer who wants the publicity. IMO

[penguinlady]

So sad, reminds me of poor Trenton. From the mom that "lies" to an alleged sighting at the airport.

Poor Caylee

K!

(I have been away a long time)

[Notknowingall]

It pains me to think that the only way this is going to get solved is that LE gets "lucky" and finds the forensics to prove that Caylee was murdered. I doubt they will get anything worthwhile from Casey on this and the family seems to be about as evasive as she is.

Sad to say that unless some evidence is found soon she may walk relatively soon. Anyone know what the maximum is for the neglect charge? They may get her with lying to LE as well but not sure what time (if any) is associated with that. At worst i woul dthink she would only do a couple of years based on what evidence is there so far. IMO

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Notknowingall

It pains me to think that the only way this is going to get solved is that LE gets "lucky" and finds the forensics to prove that Caylee was murdered. I doubt they will get anything worthwhile from Casey on this and the family seems to be about as evasive as she is.

Sad to say that unless some evidence is found soon she may walk relatively soon. Anyone know what the maximum is for the neglect charge? They may get her with lying to LE as well but not sure what time (if any) is associated with that. At worst i woul dthink she would only do a couple of years based on what evidence is there so far. IMO

I totally agree Not. It is very sad and scarey. IMO

[m2kfl]

As of this moment Casey is still in custody. It is highly unlikely that the parents will be able to make bail. They do not have enough collateral.

In order to procure the bond, they will need $50.k cash. This would be from taking out a loan against the house. There would be no equity left to put toward the bond.

The benifits that Cindy would get from her employer would be nowhere near the $450,000 in liquid assets they would have to provide to the bondsman as collateral.

No bondsman gives a bond without having some kind of collateral.
If Casey were to skip out on the bond, the bondsman has to pay the court the $500k.

If that happined the bondsman not only would have to try and recover his loss, but probably have to hire a bounty hunter to track her down.
Bounty hunters are not cheap.

I doubt that Casey is going anywhere anytime soon unless her lawyer can get the bond reduced which will still take time.

MURT

[m2kfl]

The lawyer has stated that there will be no appeal of the bail amount if the Anthony's are able to obtain it at it's current level.

There is now a recording that is going out by a computer generated autodialer made by the grandfather that was made through The Never Lose Hope Foundation.

There is a lot of bickering going on between law enforcement, the lawyer and the family.

Law enforcement is asking the public to call THEM and not the family.

The reason for this is that the airplane tip went to the family who revealed the tip on the air before law enforcement heard of it.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by m2kfl

The lawyer has stated that there will be no appeal of the bail amount if the Anthony's are able to obtain it at it's current level.

There is now a recording that is going out by a computer generated autodialer made by the grandfather that was made through The Never Lose Hope Foundation.

There is a lot of bickering going on between law enforcement, the lawyer and the family.

Law enforcement is asking the public to call THEM and not the family.

The reason for this is that the airplane tip went to the family who revealed the tip on the air before law enforcement heard of it.

MURT

I wondered about that tip. Good for LE. They will argue with Casey and she will argue. what a mess imo

[CVT6702]

Its my opinion from my Psychic Information that Caylee has been killed by someone.
I meditated on this and a little brown haired girl with bangs came in to me from the Spirit World holding the hand of a Guide who looked like a Grandfather who no doubt is with her in the Spirit World.

[m2kfl]

Acording to noon news reports, it has been reported that the Anthony's had a concrete slab poured in their back yard over the july 4th holiday.

I did not hear if Law enforcement will conduct a new search.
Casey is still in custody. Law enforcement has a sketch artist working with the witness who claims to have seen a girl resembling Calyee boarding a flight to Atlanta.

MURT

[m2kfl]

Well, this figgures with the local coverage:

Apparently the concrete slab thing is a rumor.

OCSO states that there is no new concrete slab.

I guess we will have to see where this goes.

MURT

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by m2kfl

Well, this figgures with the local coverage:

Apparently the concrete slab thing is a rumor.

OCSO states that there is no new concrete slab.

I guess we will have to see where this goes.

MURT

Well of course Most of the case is lies and rumors. Wonderful!!!IMO

[Karin]

Originally Posted by m2kfl

Acording to noon news reports, it has been reported that the Anthony's had a concrete slab poured in their back yard over the july 4th holiday.

I did not hear if Law enforcement will conduct a new search.
Casey is still in custody. Law enforcement has a sketch artist working with the witness who claims to have seen a girl resembling Calyee boarding a flight to Atlanta.

MURT

That sorta implies that maybe the grandparents could have been in on the cover up of a murder.....I'm sure that if there was a new concrete slab that the police will eventually have to tear it apart. This case is so depressing.

I live in Atlanta and while I was out at the mall today I found myself looking for Caylee. How crazy is that?

[SaraSidle]

Karin I think it is wonderful you were looking for Caylee. I would have done the same thing. Did you see Nancy Grace tonight? THey played the 911 tape Cindy and Casey made. Then Cindy calls back to say they found the car Casey was drivng and it smelled like a dead body. I saw her in another interview on TV on a Nancy Grace show saying the reason why the cadaver dogs went to the car was because there had been a pizza in the truck for many days. what a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

[Karin]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Karin I think it is wonderful you were looking for Caylee. I would have done the same thing. Did you see Nancy Grace tonight? THey played the 911 tape Cindy and Casey made. Then Cindy calls back to say they found the car Casey was drivng and it smelled like a dead body. I saw her in another interview on TV on a Nancy Grace show saying the reason why the cadaver dogs went to the car was because there had been a pizza in the truck for many days. what a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMO

I did hear the 911 tape on Greta Van Susterns show just a while ago and it was very distrubing. I also heard Dr. Boden, the forensic pathologist say that cadaver dogs don't confuse the smell of pizza with the smell of death. He said that even humans who have smelled decaying bodies, never forget that smell. This is very disturbing! That makes me think that there was something going on in that car that is unmistakeable. I just pray that everyones suspisions are wrong and that little Caylee will be found alive.

[SaraSidle]

I do too Karin and if by the Grace of God she is alive I hope she is not given back to this family. In my mind I do not think they are stable enough. Dr. Baden is right. I used to work in a morgue and every day I had to go in there the smell would permeate my clothes and everything. I kept my uniforms at work to be cleaned and went directly home to shower. Even now when I walk past a morgue in another hospital I can smell it before I know what it is. Very strong distinct disgusting smell. IMO

[INGASON14]

Originally Posted by Notknowingall

It pains me to think that the only way this is going to get solved is that LE gets "lucky" and finds the forensics to prove that Caylee was murdered. I doubt they will get anything worthwhile from Casey on this and the family seems to be about as evasive as she is.

Sad to say that unless some evidence is found soon she may walk relatively soon. Anyone know what the maximum is for the neglect charge? They may get her with lying to LE as well but not sure what time (if any) is associated with that. At worst i woul dthink she would only do a couple of years based on what evidence is there so far. IMO

There was a case here where I live that the foster parents got 25 years for child neglect for starving a 10 year old girl. She only weighed about 40 pounds when she was finally rescued. She is with another family and thriving.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by INGASON14

There was a case here where I live that the foster parents got 25 years for child neglect for starving a 10 year old girl. She only weighed about 40 pounds when she was finally rescued. She is with another family and thriving.

That is great that she is striving Inga. Sometimes I hope this is just a big ploy played by Casey to keep Caylee from Cindy. I can see from the tv shows that she can be a little controlling I think and Casey is rebelling.
she stole Cindy's car
she left Cindy for a month and did not tell her where
she stole Cindy's credit cards and went on a shopping spree. IMO

[m2kfl]

I have just come from the Anthony residence where a press conference was held this evening. Starting at 10:00 p.m. eastern, the local press will start airing the contents. As best as I remember this was what was said by Casey's brother who conducted the press conference:

1: Casey got the impression that the parents and family were against her due to the press coverage. She has been watching tv in jail and has seen the coverage regarding Caylee and her refusal to reveal where she is or her status.

2: Casey's brother stated that Casey maintains that Caylee is in the custody of a "nanny" and that she feels that Caylee is alive and well.

3: At noon tomorrow the famiy will meet with a bailbondsman to negotiate a lower up front fee as well as collateral requirements that should make it easier to get Casey out of custody if they are able to come to an agreement.

4: I maintain a photobucket site. As soon as I am able to upload the photos I took while I was there, I will post the link. Photos will include The Amscot where the car was dropped off, the press conference, photos of the residence and photos of Cindy, George and her son just after the conference ended.

MURT

[m2kfl]

My Photobucket account is now up and running. Excuse the bad photos as I uploaded them in a hurry.


http://s138.photobucket.com/albums/q...NTHONY%20CASE/


This is a sample photo. This was Cindy and her son walking into their house after I spoke to them.



MURT

[SaraSidle]

Murt thank you so much for the pictures!!!!!

[kathmandu]

A child is missing and the mother and Grandmother appear to be suffering from an inability to tell anything with clarity or accuracy. As a matter of fact, the judge who set bail for Casey said that Casey and the truth are "strangers." The same can be said for Grandma Cindy and the truth, imo.

It appears as though the Grandmother, Cindy Anthony,has told numerous versions of stories, appearing to mislead investigators in this case. The various stories contradict each other and something is definitely off with grandma. She appears controlling and rude.

If she really wanted to help find Caylee, she'd come off her high horse and realize she is no better than her lying daughter, who happens to be sitting in jail with $500,000 bond.

The following is from Nancy Grace:
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MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST:
Tell you what, Nancy. She has -- she has she`s given a number of stories to both you, to "Headline Prime" news, to all different people. You know, it doesn`t add up. Her daughter`s not being truthful. You know, the other day, when I was on "Prime News," she was talking about another person that knows where she is. You know, she`s making up so many stories.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../24/ng.01.html

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Also, I'm not sure if others have heard this or not, but I read in a newspaper article today that the grandmother said Casey and the child, Caylee, lived with her in her home. Where was the nanny employed?
And if they did live in Grandma Cindy's home, why is nobody asking GRANDMA why she didn't notice stolen credit cards for a month? Why didn't she notice her car was stolen for a month?
The following is also from Nancy Grace:

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snipped from same link:

Stunning 911 call released where the grandmother tells police Caylee`s mom stole both money and a car and tells police that the car now smells like a dead body.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html

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Also, did anyone catch the part where Casey was conducting her own investigation to find her daughter, for a MONTH?

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From 911 tapes released:
CYNTHIA ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/24/ng.01.html

GRACE: Well, you know, repeatedly -- out to you, Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Repeatedly, Casey`s mother, the grandmother, keeps telling me that there was nothing wrong, that she was in touch with her daughter throughout those five months (SIC), that she was just out bonding with her daughter. But that night 911 call reveals a completely different story.
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And consider THIS ----> IF Grandma really did speak to Casey during the month Caylee was missing, this means Casey was out in Grandma's car with Grandma's money looking for Caylee? But Grandma pretends not to have known Caylee was missing? Ok. Just like she pretended not to know her car and credit cards were gone? Ok. She's an idiot for thinking anybody is going to buy this crock of bull.

And as if things weren't weird enough, miraculously, Grandma just happens to do her own investigating and happens to find her own stolen car with a dead body smell in it? (unless I misunderstood something?)

Oh, Grandma, what big LIES you tell!
(The better to CONTROL you with, my dear!)

IMO, somebody should squeeze Granny 'till she coughs up the truth!
Maybe Casey is afraid of her own mother? Maybe the person threatening Casey is none other than mommy dearest?

This mother/daughter tag-team (Cindy/Casey) obviously have a disrespect for the law and for Caylee by impeding this investigation.

Here's more confusing info given to 911 operator regarding the car that was stolen. Was it Casey's car or Grandma Cindy's car? Take a look at this from the 911 call:

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911 OPERATOR: OK, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, my mom did.

911 OPERATOR: OK. So is it a vehicle stolen, too?

CASEY ANTHONY: No, this was my vehicle.

911 OPERATOR: What vehicle was stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: It`s a `98 Pontiac Sunfire.

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What kind of double talk is this? Operator asks if a vehicle is stolen too and Casey says NO. Then operator asks what vehicle was stolen, and she tells her! This girl has serious problems.

And is Caylee's daddy really dead?

Grandma Cindy was evasive when asked about the child's father, saying she had never met him, never spoken to him, then saying he was dead?
I'm hard pressed to believe anything she says at this point, but I wonder if Casey even knows who her baby daddy is?



I pray they find baby Caylee alive, but by all appearances, this one is not going to turn out very well unfortunately. I could be wrong, but I just don't feel this child is still alive.

[m2kfl]

The car is registered to the mother. Casey has been allowed to have it as her own. From what I gathered, the mother used the auto theft allagation as well as the $700.00 theft as a basis for having her arrested.

While the actions of Cindy have been highly questionable, it is needed to be remembered that it was CINDY who brought Caylee to the attention of authoritys. I beleive, for now, that Cindy was unaware that Caylee was missing even though she had been trying to get Casey to let her speak to or see Caylee. After 30 days of trying to deal with Casey, Cindy had enough and decided getting Casey into custody was the best way to get her to tell where Caylee was or what happined to her.

After Casey's arrest, Lee probably intervened stating that if he had been able to get Casey alone and calmed down, that he might have been able to get her to reveal what Caylee's status was.

He seems to be right. I believe that if Lee is allowed to be alone with Casey, he might find out what we all want to know...Where is Caylee?

JMO

MURT

[kathmandu]

I think Cindy Anthony knows where Caylee is and what happened to her.
Here's why:

Cindy Anthony (Grandmother of missing toddler) claims her own daughter, Casey, 22yrs old, was missing for a month and she was looking for her, but she didn't report her missing. (Fact)

And as bizarre as it is, Casey Anthony claims her own daughter, Caylee, has been missing for a month and she has been looking for her, but she didn't report her missing either! (Fact)
Wow, talk about " like mother, like daughter!"

If Casey was truly missing to the point that Cindy Anthony was really out searching for her, she should have been reported within 24 hours of not being able to find her. But that didn't happen. Was Cindy really concerned about Casey for a month? Doesn't sound like it or a missing persons report would have been made.

And equally so, Casey wasn't really concerned about her daughter Caylee for a whole month because she didn't report her missing either!
Uncanny, isn't it?

Then, Cindy Anthony calls 911 on July 15 to report a stolen car, except the car was no longer stolen......because Cindy Anthony had already found it and had it towed. (Fact)

(Another bizarre twist is that ironically, Cindy Anthony was looking for her daughter and her "stolen car" for a month and found them both on the same day.)

Cindy Anthony calmly tells the 911 operator that she is reporting a stolen car and money and wants police to arrest her daughter for this. (Fact)

She NEVER SAYS THAT SHE WANTS CASEY ARRESTED BECAUSE CASEY WON'T TELL HER WHERE HER GRANDCHILD IS AND SHE IS WORRIED THAT CAYLEE IS IN DANGER. (Fact)

She does just happen to mention calmly that Caylee is not with her, but there is NO emphasis on Caylee's lack of presence at that time, nor does Cindy Anthony say anything about a dead body smell in the car she had already located and had towed. (Fact)

If she had already located it herself and had it towed, where was it towed? (a) to her home? OR (b) to a towing yard full of other cars?

If it was towed to her home, had she not already looked in the car or opened the car? It's understandable if she didn't open it, but it's important to know where the car went.

Here's why:

Cindy Anthony made her 2nd call to 911 about an hour later, crying, and claimed her daughter told her that she hadn't seen Caylee in a month. (31 days to be exact.)

This 2nd call to 911 was to report her missing grandchild. It's during this phone call that the repeats the information about finding the car that day, but this time, she adds some very interesting information.....

Quote from Cindy Anthony on July 15, 2008 to 911 Operator:

"There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony told the dispatcher. "I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."

So, she had ONE HOUR between the 1st 911 call and the 2nd 911 call.

At what point did she smell the dead body smell?

Was it when she found the car and had it towed earlier that day, or
was it between call #1 and call #2?

If there was a dead body smell in the car when she found it, it seems like she would have already pressed Casey to explain it and when Casey couldn't explain the smell and couldn't produce Caylee, it seems like THAT should have been the 1st and only 911 call!

There appears to be a lot more going on here than meets the eye.

I hate to see Casey released from jail, for her own safety.
I really think she would be safer to stay in jail under a very close suicide watch. We all are fearful for little Caylee, but I'm equally fearful that this mother will die before we get any answers out of anyone. In a similiar case, Trenton Duckett still has not been located and his mother died of suicide before giving any information on his whereabouts.

This mother needs to stay in jail.

Cindy Anthony said earlier this week that Casey knows who has Caylee but doesn't know where she is. So, she needs to tell investigators the truth, let them find Caylee and THEN she can be released, but she should be held until the baby is located.

In my honest opinion.

[kathmandu]

http://www.wftv.com/video/16989413/index.html

This is a link to a phone call made from Casey Anthony (in jail) to her mother's home. She speaks with her mom, her brother and then her friend.
It appears her reason for calling is to get her boyfriend's phone number from her brother. When questioned, she maintains she does not know where Caylee is, but still claims she was last seen with the woman she calls her nanny. It's interesting.

[SaraSidle]

I truly believe Cindy is not innocent in this by any means. imo