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f0revery0urs · #1 07-19-2008, 03:57 PM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBcjII3QAE

This woman was insane. The movie "Monster" was very good at showing her life, and was actually pretty accurate for a movie. She died October 9, 2002 after killing 7 known victims.

She tried to justify her killings by saying she was raped and was protecting herself.

Crazy much?!

Mojave · #2 07-19-2008, 08:53 PM

Wow. She was really crazy right up until the end.

One2Snoop · #3 07-19-2008, 09:02 PM

Here's a story that was written for Crime Library ...

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...wuornos/1.html

AILEEN WUORNOS: KILLER WHO PREYED ON TRUCK DRIVERS
By Marlee Macleod

The Myth and the Reality
Some of what you've heard about Aileen Wuornos is true.

Yes, she killed seven men in Florida. Yes, she was a prostitute. She gave a shocking, detailed confession at the behest of her lesbian ex-lover, and during her trial she was legally adopted by a well-meaning woman who claimed to receive her instruction from God. She had memorable profane outbursts in more than one courtroom, and she was executed Oct. 9, 2002, the recipient of six death sentences, more than anyone else residing on Death Row. All these things are true.

f0revery0urs · #4 07-20-2008, 12:00 AM

She was crazy til the end. She went from saying that it wasnt her to saying she was raped and they deserved it. Be real.

Karin · #5 07-20-2008, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by f0revery0urs

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFBcjII3QAE

This woman was insane. The movie "Monster" was very good at showing her life, and was actually pretty accurate for a movie. She died October 9, 2002 after killing 7 known victims.

She tried to justify her killings by saying she was raped and was protecting herself.

Crazy much?!

She really was crazy! That interview was priceless. She was delusional and I think should be the poster child for insanity!

I have read where she had a very horrible childhood, beyond what most kids could handle. Not sure what other ingredients shaped her destiny but she was fighting an uphill battle from a young age........

f0revery0urs · #6 07-20-2008, 11:38 AM

She went through a lot growing up and was bound to become insane. Honestly, she is the most interesting serial killer I've ever looked into. Anyone see Monster??

Drumbum · #7 07-20-2008, 05:31 PM

I saw an interview just before she was executed and she finally came clean about what we already knew. She did because she wanted to and much of what she said was an outright lie.

Karin · #8 07-20-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Drumbum

I saw an interview just before she was executed and she finally came clean about what we already knew. She did because she wanted to and much of what she said was an outright lie.

Hi Drumbum.......I just watched that youtube interview and it was so sad. She didn't seem quite as angry as she did in some of her other interviews. I certainly hope she was at least serious about trying to make amends with God, before she died. There is something about her that seems very tragic to me, unlike other serial killers. Don't have a grasp on it yet.

Drumbum · #9 07-21-2008, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Karin

Hi Drumbum.......I just watched that youtube interview and it was so sad. She didn't seem quite as angry as she did in some of her other interviews. I certainly hope she was at least serious about trying to make amends with God, before she died. There is something about her that seems very tragic to me, unlike other serial killers. Don't have a grasp on it yet.

Hiyas, K. Yes, her story is tragic, she never had a chance. Unfortunately, there's too many in this world like her.

Karin · #10 07-23-2008, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Drumbum

Hiyas, K. Yes, her story is tragic, she never had a chance. Unfortunately, there's too many in this world like her.

Yes there is, but most of us don't feel like killing others to get what we think we need. Aileen almost seems like a victim of circumstance. I think she was so desperate that killing to get money seemed ok. I do think she was driven to insanity by her constant rejection in life.....but ultimately she was sick.

rph3664 · #11 07-23-2008, 01:15 AM

I do not believe she should have been executed; LWOP was a more appropriate sentence for her, IMHO.

"Monster" was simply a dramatization and took some liberties with dates and so forth. "Aileen: Portrait of a Serial Killer" is an actual documentary and is much, much better although "Monster" is good and Charlize Theron deserved that Academy Award.

Her friend Dawn goes into a spiel about how there were no gay people when she was growing up - that homosexuality is, in her opinion, an invention of the past 10 or 20 years.

f0revery0urs · #12 07-23-2008, 05:28 PM

Its crazy that she blames the cops by saying they knew that she was killing since the first murder. After watching all the youtube videos of her talking and her biography, you cant help but to feel a little sorry for her, even though she killed people.
and rph3664 ill have to check out that documentary. thanks.

Karin · #13 07-24-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rph3664

I do not believe she should have been executed; LWOP was a more appropriate sentence for her, IMHO.

"Monster" was simply a dramatization and took some liberties with dates and so forth. "Aileen: Portrait of a Serial Killer" is an actual documentary and is much, much better although "Monster" is good and Charlize Theron deserved that Academy Award.

Her friend Dawn goes into a spiel about how there were no gay people when she was growing up - that homosexuality is, in her opinion, an invention of the past 10 or 20 years.

I agree. She should have been studied by psychologists who specialize in the characteristics that contribute to serial killers. Like Dr. Stone from Investigative Discovery channel. He rates these types of crimes based on several types of criteria. Aileen was literally developed into a serial killer and I would like to know what Dr. Stone would have said about her.

Wasn't the actor in, "Portrait of a Serial Killer" that blonde girl from the 1980's sitcom, "Designing Women"? Can't think of her name right now, but it was very well done! OH YEA..........Jean Smart!

m2kfl · #14 07-27-2008, 12:03 AM

This was an unusual high profile case here. The material for both features came from the case and interviews with her before she was executed. Some of the actual locations were used in "The Monster.

As a truck driver and local resident, I have been to the truck stop in question (it is now gone) and to this day travel the same roads she did and in the same general area throughout the Central Florida area.

Since that time the CFL area seems to get an unusual number of high profile cases that garner the Nation's attention. The most recent missing child case is on the national news almost every night.

MURT

Karin · #15 08-01-2008, 08:49 PM

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't come back to this particular site again. What an insult to smart women! Is there anyway to report this crap?

Drumbum · #16 08-01-2008, 11:08 PM

Looks like someone's got the wrong forum or the spammers have found us. Run for your net lives!

grneyes · #17 08-01-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Karin

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't come back to this particular site again. What an insult to smart women! Is there anyway to report this crap?

It's been reported by several people but the Moderator evidently has not checked in yet. Maybe away for the weekend?

Its just me · #18 08-02-2008, 02:37 PM

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It's been reported by several people but the Moderator evidently has not checked in yet. Maybe away for the weekend?

Bumping to get beyond this sick soul posting the porn.

WarmNCozy · #19 08-11-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Karin

Yes there is, but most of us don't feel like killing others to get what we think we need. Aileen almost seems like a victim of circumstance. I think she was so desperate that killing to get money seemed ok. I do think she was driven to insanity by her constant rejection in life.....but ultimately she was sick.

I totally agree with you and Drum. I almost feel sorry for her because of what was done to her by her own family to make her into the killer she became.

JConnolly · #20 09-08-2008, 12:36 PM

What I don't understand is why she was excuted so SOON after her conviction. There are men (and women) that have been on death row for over 20 years. While I agree that she got the punishment she deserved, I just don't understand why SHE got the needle (or whatever method was used) so quickly while others' who have committed and been convicted of horrid crimes continue to LIVE. It's time to put to death Scott Peterson and so many others that received the death penalty. If it can be said that it's due to the appeals process, I guess that makes sense, and perhaps there were no appeals for Aileen? If she pled guilty, why was there even a trial? Isn't an appeal *generally* automatic on all convictions?

I'm just wondering... if anyone has an answer, thanks!

JC

WarmNCozy · #21 09-08-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JConnolly

What I don't understand is why she was excuted so SOON after her conviction. There are men (and women) that have been on death row for over 20 years. While I agree that she got the punishment she deserved, I just don't understand why SHE got the needle (or whatever method was used) so quickly while others' who have committed and been convicted of horrid crimes continue to LIVE. It's time to put to death Scott Peterson and so many others that received the death penalty. If it can be said that it's due to the appeals process, I guess that makes sense, and perhaps there were no appeals for Aileen? If she pled guilty, why was there even a trial? Isn't an appeal *generally* automatic on all convictions?

I'm just wondering... if anyone has an answer, thanks!

JC

I'm wonder too! But since I'm not a Florida lawyer, I don't have a clue

JConnolly · #22 09-08-2008, 02:26 PM

Thanks for the reply! I'm glad I'm not the only one who wonders! I was kind of afraid to post my question to be honest... I was sure someone would come along and make me feel stupid LOL.

JC

Karin · #23 09-08-2008, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JConnolly

What I don't understand is why she was excuted so SOON after her conviction. There are men (and women) that have been on death row for over 20 years. While I agree that she got the punishment she deserved, I just don't understand why SHE got the needle (or whatever method was used) so quickly while others' who have committed and been convicted of horrid crimes continue to LIVE. It's time to put to death Scott Peterson and so many others that received the death penalty. If it can be said that it's due to the appeals process, I guess that makes sense, and perhaps there were no appeals for Aileen? If she pled guilty, why was there even a trial? Isn't an appeal *generally* automatic on all convictions?

I'm just wondering... if anyone has an answer, thanks!

JC

Hi JC, Florida has one of the most aggressive appellate courts for death penalty cases and does what most other states should do and that is to kill em good! Eileen refused some of her appeals and said she was ready to die. Think she later changed her mind but they had already filled the needles...Appeals are automatic on all death penalty cases...She was a whacked one!

rph3664 · #24 09-08-2008, 07:14 PM

I believe she was insane and should not have been executed. And it was about 10 years from conviction to execution; it's not like it happened the next month or anything like that.

Karin · #25 09-08-2008, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rph3664

I believe she was insane and should not have been executed. And it was about 10 years from conviction to execution; it's not like it happened the next month or anything like that.

I sorta feel that way too...something about her might could have been saved. I think life was unusually cruel for her, but then again she was a cold killer...can't come to terms on this one!

Drumbum · #26 09-09-2008, 02:32 AM

She had a plethora of problems and could have been hospitalized. She'd want to die one week and the next, no way. But many go through that I imagine. Being executed is bad enough, but the wait is even worse.

Jules100 · #27 09-09-2008, 06:43 AM

I think that the first murder of Richard Mallory set something off in her and then she could not control what she did- she was paranoid, thinking that they were going to hurt her and saw only one way out- killing
I don't believe that she thought the way that 'normal people' do
I also think that Tyria Moore new a whole lot more than she let on and could not believe that she never had charged brought against her - talk about making a deal with the devil !

JConnolly · #28 09-09-2008, 10:51 AM

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After her first death sentence Wuornos often said she wanted "it all to be over". In 2001 she announced that she would not issue any further appeals against her death sentence. She petitioned the Florida Supreme Court for the right to fire her legal counsel and stop all appeals, saying "I killed those men, robbed them as cold as ice. And I'd do it again, too. There's no chance in keeping me alive or anything, because I'd kill again. I have hate crawling through my system.... I am so sick of hearing this 'she's crazy' stuff. I've been evaluated so many times. I'm competent, sane, and I'm trying to tell the truth. I'm one who seriously hates human life and would kill again."

Read story here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Carol_Wuornos

Sounds to me like she was ready to accept her demise. Sad all the way around. But she got what she deserved in the end. JMO of course.

JC

Karin · #29 09-10-2008, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Bell

I've read her life story. I know about the abusive background. I know about the adulthood that didn't work out. I know about the prostitution. I know about the lesbian lover.

But I still don't really get why she murdered. She changed her story how many times? Self defence, hatred of men, money, scared for her life, kicks, pyscho?

She killed multiple times. She deserved what she got. Women serial murderers are very scarce. What drove this one?

Good day JB, nice to see you lurking about..I'm afraid that she killed because she wanted money to pay her bills..had to take care of her girlfriend! Wacked up prioriities, huh?

Karin · #30 09-10-2008, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Bell

Karin nice to 'see' you too. Is that really all there was to it? Money? Wouldn't be the 1st or the last. But if that's all there was why the to do about her? Why did so many people try to save her? Why did her girlfriend turn against her? I think I'm right about that. Money, I suppose.

Still Karin. Seems to me there's got to be just more than money driving this one. I'm sure that money was probably a huge contributing factor. But still.

JB, Love to stay and chat with you about all the freaking reasons Aileen was wacked out, but I'm off to work...see ya soon

Jules100 · #31 09-11-2008, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WarmNCozy

I totally agree with you and Drum. I almost feel sorry for her because of what was done to her by her own family to make her into the killer she became.

I agree, there was constant rejection from early on in her life , she never stood a chance. I think that she should have received life without parole not the DP. I have both of the documentarys about her made by Nick Broomfield and right up until the end she was being used - she had that idiot lawyer and Arlene Pralle who adopted her. I couldn't help but feel sorry for her . I remember on one of the documentaries that her own mother said it would be better when she was executed- so sad

Nathalie · #32 10-04-2008, 06:38 PM

I have the same documentaries by Nick Broomfield. I think he even won an award for his work on Eileen. I agree that she never stood a chance in her sad life. It seems like everyone took advantage of her vulnerability and she eventually lost her mind. Sad story.

Karin · #33 10-04-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathalie

I have the same documentaries by Nick Broomfield. I think he even won an award for his work on Eileen. I agree that she never stood a chance in her sad life. It seems like everyone took advantage of her vulnerability and she eventually lost her mind. Sad story.

Hi Nathalie, a sad story indeed...I have always felt like she should not have been executed, but should have been hospitalized and studied....She represented the poster child for abuse and hard life...Think she became the victim who could not fight her way out. Ofcourse, she did lose it in the end and too many suffered her by her cold hands..

Drumbum · #34 10-04-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Karin

Hi Nathalie, a sad story indeed...I have always felt like she should not have been executed, but should have been hospitalized and studied....She represented the poster child for abuse and hard life...Think she became the victim who could not fight her way out. Ofcourse, she did lose it in the end and too many suffered her by her cold hands..

I agree.

Fish Face Frank · #35 10-05-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Karin

Hi JC, Florida has one of the most aggressive appellate courts for death penalty cases and does what most other states should do and that is to kill em good! Eileen refused some of her appeals and said she was ready to die. Think she later changed her mind but they had already filled the needles...Appeals are automatic on all death penalty cases...She was a whacked one!

That and she killed a cop. A big "NO NO" in the eyes of a judicial system.

RaVeN71806 · #36 11-25-2008, 10:47 AM

I agree also Aileen should of never been excuated she should of been sent to a phsyc hospital and treated there...this women was degraded, abused, and shut out by her family and girlfriend who in the end turned on her...Aileen wanted to be loved because her whole she dealt with being abused mentally, physically and sexually...she is pure poster child for child abuse..you need to truely look at the persons background too understand them..this women was in pain for many years..you honestly don't see that in many serial killers..but this is jmho...I truely felt bad for Aileen I cryed during her interview because you can see the pain in her...but like I said jmho

Parker · #37 03-04-2009, 02:25 AM

She sure had problems. No excuse for murder. There was no doubt of her guilt. Lots of people have horrible times as kids. But they don't become murderers because of it.

Seashell · #38 03-07-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker

She sure had problems. No excuse for murder. There was no doubt of her guilt. Lots of people have horrible times as kids. But they don't become murderers because of it.

She was a mentally sick woman who had been repeatedly raped and sexually abused even when she was a teenager.
Not everyone is the same nor is everyone capable of moving on in life after suffering that kind of abuse,her life was a horrible sad story.

Seashell · #39 03-07-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RaVeN71806

I agree also Aileen should of never been excuated she should of been sent to a phsyc hospital and treated there...this women was degraded, abused, and shut out by her family and girlfriend who in the end turned on her...Aileen wanted to be loved because her whole she dealt with being abused mentally, physically and sexually...she is pure poster child for child abuse..you need to truely look at the persons background too understand them..this women was in pain for many years..you honestly don't see that in many serial killers..but this is jmho...I truely felt bad for Aileen I cryed during her interview because you can see the pain in her...but like I said jmho

I totally agree with you and i am pleased to see that there are people like you in this world who show compassion for women like her.
Thank you.

Parker · #40 03-11-2009, 03:06 AM

I think it's very difficult to be 'general' in an area like this. We can only give our own opinion. Does gender play an issue in deciding whether or not a person is found guilty of murder? I guess it has in some cases. But maybe not as much now as before.

If Wournos had killed people who had abused her she probably wouldn't have been given the DP. Becuase she would have had, IMO, a strong case for provocation. But she killed randomly, men she hadn't known previously. And we only have her story as to what happened.