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Old 06-16-2008, 01:02 PM
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Susan Atkins has requested to be released from prison on 'compassionate release' as she has less tha

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I think she gets all the mercy she deserves after what she did to her victims. NONE IMO
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She didn't show any "compassion" for the victims, now did she?
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At this stage, it's no longer about revenge. She's eligible for parole, so she can be released. I'm sure the prison system would like to save the money of treating a terminally ill patient. Although my first thought upon reading that was 'Nope leave her where is she is' but as Dostoyevsky said, 'the degree of civilization of a society can be measured by the treatment of its prisoners.' I do hope the victims families have a significant say in the decision though.
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At this stage, it's no longer about revenge. She's eligible for parole, so she can be released. I'm sure the prison system would like to save the money of treating a terminally ill patient. Although my first thought upon reading that was 'Nope leave her where is she is' but as Dostoyevsky said, 'the degree of civilization of a society can be measured by the treatment of its prisoners.' I do hope the victims families have a significant say in the decision though.
I would possibly agree except she is involved with multiple murders IMO
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There should be no mercy shown. Those people died in such agony. She was also involved in another murder if I'm not mistaken...
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Her victims were not given the opportunity to die peacefully while surrouned by their families. Actually, I would be all for her being released under these circumstances were it not for the fact that none of the Manson 'family members' are cooperating with law enforcement in regards to the additional bodies that are suspected to be buried out in Death Valley. Even while she's dying, Susan Atkins isn't showing any compassion for the families of those people.
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IMO she should have died by lethal injection back in the 70s.
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She needs to stay right where she is. It's too bad the whole clan didn't get gassed.
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It's funny how murderers always ask for mercy when they show none to those they kill. They dismiss them without second thought. We should dismiss the killers without mercy or a second thought.
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"Suspected." There is no proof that she was involved with any other murder. And actually, she has been very cooperative and an idol prisoner. Not that this excuses what she did, just trying to set the facts straight.
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IMO she should have died by lethal injection back in the 70s.
Well, put it this way, She (and the others) was sentenced to death, but that was commuted. She got life, and, as far as I am concerned, for that she should have to give up her freedom. All of the Manson gang is going to die, eventually; she is no different from any one else. Why shouldn't she die behind bars?
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To me she can't have compassionate release as she rejected Sharon Tates plea for compassion.
All the Mansons clan blamed drugs for the murder. Or they say they were indoctrinated by Manson.
They were not run of the mill murders...they were torturers.
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By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -
A follower of Charles Manson who stabbed pregnant actress Sharon Tate to death nearly 40 years ago but is dying of brain cancer in a California prison was denied compassionate release Tuesday.

The California Board of Parole released its unanimous decision on the release of Susan Atkins hours after a 90-minute hearing, during which it heard impassioned pleas from both sides.

"Obviously, it was too hot of a potato for them to handle," said one of Atkins' attorney, Eric P. Lampel. "Of course we're disappointed. There's no basis for denying this." ( Say What?)

Lampel filed a motion July 10 with Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge David Wesley asking for his client's release no matter what the parole board recommended. No hearing has been set, Lampel said after the hearing.

"We're going to be able to make the case in court. We'll take it to the next step," he said after being informed of the board's decision by The Associated Press.

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If Susan Atkins had genuine remorse she wouldn't even contemplate compassionate leave.
We are not talking about one stabbing - one murder. She tortured people.

I think its wonderful if there is genuine remorse here. However, none of them deserve compassion.
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"Suspected." There is no proof that she was involved with any other murder. And actually, she has been very cooperative and an idol prisoner. Not that this excuses what she did, just trying to set the facts straight.
yes, she was: She participated in the Hinman murder and pled GUILTY.

Cooperative? she changed her story when her sentence went from death to life. she enjoyed the trial, enjoyed talking about the carnage until she realized she just 'might' be able to get out with the new sentence.

Sharon Tate's father, his letter read at one of the parole hearings...also a 2002 I believe video interview with Diane Sawyer.

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"Thirty one years ago I sat in a courtroom with a jury and watched with others. I saw a young woman who giggled, snickered and shouted out insults," Tate's father wrote. "Even while testifying about my daughter's last breath, she laughed."

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Atkins' doctors and officials at the women's prison in Corona made the request in March because of her deteriorating health. She also has had her left leg amputated and is paralyzed on her right side, her husband, James Whitehouse, told the California Board of Parole Hearings.

Whitehouse, also acting as one of Atkins' attorneys, had argued that his wife was so debilitated that she could not even sit up in bed. He told the parole board there was no longer a reason to keep her incarcerated.

"She literally can't snap her fingers," he said. "She can put sentences together three or four times a day, but that's the extent of it."

He said doctors have given her three months to live. Atkins, in a hospital near the Southern California prison where she was housed for nearly 40 years, did not attend Tuesday's hearing.

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According to this article she already out of Prison she in a hospital near the prison. It's costing us tax payers and being a Ca. tax payer I say stay right where you are.
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"Suspected." There is no proof that she was involved with any other murder. And actually, she has been very cooperative and an idol prisoner. Not that this excuses what she did, just trying to set the facts straight.
She was involved in the torture and murder of Gary Hinman. It's here. http://www.mansonfamilytoday.info/at...transcript.htm

She should have been executed. It appears that a higher power is taking care of that right now, piece by piece.

I watched her interview with Diane Sawyer. It's interesting that she dismisses her crimes by citing they occurred 30 years ago. When one reaches a certain age, one realizes that 30 years ago is just a blink. The time element has nothing to do with the evil inside this woman.

She must serve her sentence. I think she has a lot of nerve requesting compassion.
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Susan Atkins was denied a compassionate release from her prison sentence today and I hope the court system in California stands behind that decision.

I read it has cost taxpayers in the neighborhood of 150k since March for her medical care, I guess they went that route to try to get her released and save some money, save some money and let killers that showed no compassion to their victims enjoy the last few months of their life????

She is right where she deserves to be and she needs to take her last breath behind bars.
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I think life should mean life. I very rarely agree with parole.

To me parole defeats the purpose.
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I read the transcript. It's amazing how, so many years later, it is still not completely her fault. She'll say she's sorry and that she feels bad for the victims but then it's "It wasn't really me. I tried to stop it!" or "Manson had such a hold on me."

I always want to just once hear a criminal say "Yes. I am the one who did this. I am taking full responsibility."
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What this thread needs is 100 more posts all saying the same thing.
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LOL Ice I see that you are new here. Welcome. This is a thread where we are expressing our opinions be it agree or disagree with each other. Many times we disagree. A thread like this can be a good thing when most people are feeling the same way. We know each other and respect each others opinions for the most part. We still may get 100 or more posts with opinions.......or none. Hard to say............IMO
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I've actually been here for a few years, though only as a reader. Thank you for the welcome! Glad you get my humor.

Since I hate posts that veer off of the OP.

I say she deserves no mercy and her death will be far too peaceful.

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I've actually been here for a few years, though only as a reader. Thank you for the welcome! Glad you get my humor.

Since I hate posts that veer off of the OP.

I say she deserves no mercy and her death will be far too peaceful.

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I agree Ice. at first I did not agree until I remembered what she did then I did not have a problem with it. IMO
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I agree Ice. at first I did not agree until I remembered what she did then I did not have a problem with it. IMO
Apparently she gets to spend a lot of time with her family and is in the medical facility at the jail - she is being shown far more mercy than what was given to the victims
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Susan Atkins Dies

LOS ANGELES - Susan Atkins, a follower of cult leader Charles Manson whose remorseless witness stand confession to killing pregnant actress Sharon Tate in 1969 shocked the world, has died. She was 61 and had been suffering from brain cancer.

Atkins' death comes less than a month after a parole board turned down the terminally ill woman's last chance at freedom on Sept. 2. She was brought to the hearing on a gurney and slept through most of it.

California Department of Corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said that Atkins died late Thursday night. She had been diagnosed with brain cancer in 2008, had a leg amputated and was given only a few months to live.

She underwent brain surgery, and in her last months was paralyzed and had difficulty speaking. But she managed to speak briefly at the Sept. 2 hearing, reciting religious verse with the help of her husband, attorney James Whitehouse.

She had been transferred to a skilled nursing facility at the California Central Women's Facility at Chowchilla exactly one year before she died.

Tate, the 26-year-old actress who appeared in the movie "Valley of the Dolls" and was the wife of famed director Roman Polanski, was one of seven murdered in two Los Angeles homes during the Manson cult's bloody rampage in August 1969.

Others followers remain in prison
Atkins was the first of the convicted killers to die. Manson and three others involved in the murders — Patricia Krenwinkel, Leslie Van Houten and Charles "Tex" Watson — remain imprisoned under life sentences. Thornton said that at the time of Atkins death she had been in prison longer than any woman currently incarcerated in California.

Atkins, who confessed from the witness stand during her trial, had apologized for her acts numerous times over the years. But 40 years after the murders, she learned that few had forgotten or forgiven what she and other members of the cult had done.

Debra Tate, the slain actress's younger sister, told the parole commissioners Sept. 2 that she "will pray for (Atkins') soul when she draws her last breath, but until then I think she should remain in this controlled situation." Debra Tate noted that she would have a 40-year-old nephew if her sister had lived.

Atkins' prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, had spoken out earlier in favor of release, saying the mercy requested was "minuscule" because Atkins was on her deathbed.

Atkins and her co-defendants were originally sentenced to death but their sentences were reduced to life in prison when capital punishment was briefly outlawed by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1970s.

During the sensational 10-month trial, Atkins, Manson and co-defendants Krenwinkel and Van Houten maintained their innocence. But once they were convicted, the so-called "Manson girls" confessed in graphic detail.

They tried to absolve Manson, the ex-convict who had gathered a "family" of dropouts and runaways to a ranch outside Los Angeles, where he cast himself as the Messiah and led them in an aberrant lifestyle fueled by drugs and communal sex.

Watson had a separate trial and was convicted.

One night in August 1969, Manson dispatched Atkins and others to a wealthy residential section of Los Angeles, telling them, as they recalled, to "do something witchy."

They went to the home of Tate and her husband. He was not home, but Tate, who was 8 1/2 months pregnant, and four others were killed. "Pigs" was scrawled on a door in blood.

The next night, a wealthy grocer and his wife were found stabbed to death in their home across town. "Helter Skelter" was written in blood on the refrigerator.

"I was stoned, man, stoned on acid," Atkins testified during the trial's penalty phase.

"I don't know how many times I stabbed (Tate) and I don't know why I stabbed her," she said. "She kept begging and pleading and begging and pleading and I got sick of listening to it, so I stabbed her."

She said she felt "no guilt for what I've done. It was right then and I still believe it was right." Asked how it could be right to kill, she replied in a dreamy voice, "How can it not be right when it's done with love?"

The matronly, gray-haired Atkins who appeared before a parole board in 2000 cut a far different figure than that of the cocky young defendant some 30 years earlier.

"I don't have to just make amends to the victims and families," she said softly. "I have to make amends to society. I sinned against God and everything this country stands for." She said she had found redemption in Christianity.

The last words she spoke in public at the September hearing were to say in unison with her husband: "My God is an amazing God."

She spent 37 years in the California Institution for Women at Frontera. When she fell ill, she was moved to a medical unit at the Central California Women's Facility in Chowchilla. She died there.

From runaway to cult member
Susan Denise Atkins was born May 7, 1948, in the Los Angeles suburb of San Gabriel. Her mother was stricken with cancer and died when she was 15. Her father, reportedly an alcoholic, sent her and her brother to live with relatives.

While still in her teens, she ran away to San Francisco where she wound up dancing in a topless bar and using drugs. She moved into a commune in the Haight Ashbury district and it was there that she met Manson.

He gave her a cult name, Sadie Mae Glutz, and, when she became pregnant by a "family" member, he helped deliver the baby boy, naming it Zezozoze Zadfrack. His whereabouts are unknown.

The Manson slayings remained unsolved for three months, until Atkins confessed to a cellmate following her arrest on an unrelated charge. Police found Manson and other cult members living in a ranch commune in Death Valley, outside Los Angeles.

Besides Tate, their other victims were celebrity hairdresser Jay Sebring, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, filmmaker Voityck Frykowski and Steven Parent, a friend of Tate's caretaker; and grocery owners Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. Atkins also was convicted with Manson of still another murder, of musician Gary Hinman, in July 1969.

Atkins married twice while in prison. Her first husband, Donald Lee Laisure, purported to be an eccentric Texas millionaire. They quickly divorced. Whitehouse, her second husband, is a Harvard Law School graduate and had recently served as one of her attorneys.

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