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A crime dashes the hopes of the most expectant
Sometimes a crime strikes you because of it's insanity (or inanity).
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/...9&provider=top
This article was posted in the local paper (The Courier) on Sunday; the information is (obviously) evolving:
Russellville police apprehended a Pope Cpounty man after four victims were shot Saturday evening north of Dover, Pope County authorities and Russellville police said.
Lt. Aaron DuVall, a criminal investigator with the Pope County Sheriff's Department, said just after 7:30 p.m. Saturday, the conditions of the victims - which he confirmed included at least two males and at least one female - were unknown. All were transported to Saint Mary's Regional Medical Center, he said.
DuVall confirmed a suspect in the shooting was in police custody, and said the man - who was also transported to Saint Mary's after Russellville police apprehended him in the parking lot of the Burger King restaurant on North Arkansas Avenue - was injured, but declined to specify the type or severity of the man's injuries.
Witnesses present at the scene at the Low Water Bridge area off Rushing Road - where locals frequently swim in warm weather - indicated the suspect, whose name is not being released by authorities at the time, may have recently returned from a military deployment to Iraq, and also indicated the shooting may have followed a wedding several said took place near the water prior to the incident.
A white sport-utility vehicle was partially submerged in water at the scene, although it was not immediately clear how the vehicle came to be in the middle of the creek.
The suspect's arrest came after Pope County 911 Emergency Communications issued a "be on the lookout" (BOLO) warning for a man considered armed and dangerous reportedly driving a 12-ton Cherolet pickup truck later identified as a red Silverado.
Authorities - including Deputy Pope County Coroner Doug Hottinger and Russellville Police Department (RPD) Officer Michael Paterak - began pursuit of the suspect vehicle after it was observed headed souuth on State Highway 7l RPD Public Information Officer Joshua McMillian confirmed, adding the vehicle was seen traveling at speeds of up to 100 mph before stopping in the Burger King parking lot. It was not immediately clear whether the suspect received the injuries for which he was transported to the hospital during or prior to the arrest.
DuVall, who indicated he was present at the emergency room at Saint Mary's when contacted Saturday night, said little other information was available.
We're at the very beginning stages of the investigation, so we're mainly just trying to piece together witnesses," DuVall said.
This comment was posted on 5/25 at the KTHV website:
SisterOfTheBride wrote:
Wow! Do you have this story all messed up! The shooter was not known to the bride and groom. No one with the wedding party knew him. Evidently his girlfriend's dog got into a fight with the bride and groom's dog. He got his gun out to shoot the dog of the newly married couple, and when they tried to stop him, he shot them. He also shot one wedding guest, and the forth victim was his girlfriend who was trying to stop him from shooting! After he finished his shooting spree, he tried to escape by driving across the low water bridge. His vehicle drowned out in the water, so he ran off and stole "a farm truck". It was this farm truck which he was driving when he was arrested.
I know these things because I am the bride's sister and have just spent last night and today at the hospital with her and her husband. They are both in ICU.
Crime Library, please pray for the recovery and health of this couple so that they can go forward with their dreams for the future.
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05-26-2008, 07:32 PM
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SisterOfTheBride recently posted this message at the KTHV website:
SisterOfTheBride wrote:
The bride had surgery to remove bone fragments from her brain since she was shot, at close range, in the forehead. We are hopeful that she will recover completely, though will be left with a considerable scar. The groom was shot twice, once in the jaw and once in the neck. The doctors are still trying to determine when his first surgery will be, but he is expected to eventually recover. The third victim was shot in the chest and is also still in the hospital, but is expected to recover. The forth victim was not part of the wedding party and was not known to the people at the wedding. She was with the shooter and received her wound while attempting to stop him from shooting. It is my understanding that she was shot in either the arm or hand.
Thanks to those who have offered kind words.
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05-27-2008, 06:00 PM
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
Heredity is what sets the parents of a teenager wondering about each other. Laurence J. Peter
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05-27-2008, 08:51 PM
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ON Nancy Grace tonight.
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05-27-2008, 09:16 PM
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Thanks for the heads up, Sara. 
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05-27-2008, 10:22 PM
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Thanks for the heads up, Sara. |
Well he looks pretty bad. I think it is a miracle the married couple is alive after all that. Very dangerous wounds. IMO
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05-28-2008, 03:47 AM
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That's absolutly horrible and i agree with you Sarah. People have to learn to keep there cool and these random shooting's have to stop
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05-28-2008, 10:40 AM
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Transcript of the segment about the wedding shooting:
GRACE: Man.
When we come back, it should have been the most beautiful and sacred day of their lives, their wedding day, just before sunset. But bullets tear through the crowd. The bride shot between the eyes, the groom in the mouth and the neck. Miracle they lived.
Tonight, the investigation.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(NEWSBREAK)
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A wedding, usually one of the happiest days in a couple`s life. But on this day, the bride and groom ended up shot and clinging to life.
Reports say suspect Patrick Duvall apparently got into an argument with the bride and the groom about a dog. Moments later, police say Duvall shot the newlyweds. But the wedding guests didn`t let the suspect escape. They followed the gunman, who was driving a stolen vehicle, to a fast food restaurant, where Duvall was apprehended by authorities.
Police questioning over 30 witnesses, trying to piece together how a bride and groom ended up shot at their own wedding.
(END VIDEOTAPE)
GRACE: In a beautiful and idyllic setting, just at twilight, just before nightfall, the sun setting, bullets tear through a wedding ceremony. The bride shot between the eyes. The groom shot in mouth and the neck. Bottom line, miracle, they lived.
Tonight, the investigation. Out to Mary Kincy Benefield, with the Russellville Courier, what happened?
MARY KINCY BENEFIELD, NEWS EDITOR, RUSSELLVILLE COURIER: Well, we don`t know a lot right now. The police are being sort of closed mouthed about the details. We do know that at some point after the vows were spoken, apparently someone involved with the wedding got into an argument with Mr. Duvall and he retrieved a handgun and shot four people.
He then somehow got his car stuck in the middle of the creek. It was white utility vehicle that was still at the scene, when I was on scene a couple hours later. Then apparently fled that vehicle, stole another vehicle from a nearby passenger and drove about 10 miles into neighboring Russellville where he was captured by police. He actually surrendered.
GRACE: Incredible.
Eben Brown with Metronetworks, what more can you tell us?
EBEN BROWN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, we know so far that this man was a stranger to the bride and groom, that they didn`t know who he was. He wasn`t someone that they had any type of history with whatsoever. But he is the man that shot them.
GRACE: To Mike Brooks -- weigh in, Mike.
BROOKS: Nancy, this is just a bizarre case. Here they are, out in the middle of a park, having their wedding. And you`ve got this ne`er-do- well, I mean, you know, I don`t even want to talk any second more about him. You know, he comes up there with a weapon and opens fire over some little argument that he had.
You know, if you go back and I think they go back, and look, he`s probably going to have some -- some past records on his own, probably a weapons charge in his past.
GRACE: This is incredible to me that bullets can tear through your wedding ceremony.
I want to go out to Dr. Michael Bell, Palm Beach County chief medical examiner. How is it -- the bride was shot between the eyes. Why is it she is going to recover? That seems incredible to me.
DR. MICHAEL BELL, PALM BEACH CO. CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER: Chances are the bullet path went through the frontal lobes, probably not to the back of her brain but perhaps upwards, and thus spared her, you know, a much worse consequence.
GRACE: I want to go back out to the lawyers, Ray Giudice, Anne Bremner.
To you, Ray Giudice, what is he looking at?
GIUDICE: Well, Nancy, on the aggravated assault -- charges, he`s look at 20 years times four. Four separate counts. You got an auto theft charge. Looks like everyone is going survive. Hopefully that will be the case and won`t be upgraded to any type of a homicide charge.
GRACE: What about it, Anne Bremner?
BREMNER: Well, I agree with the fact, the question is will he be diagnosed for demonizing in this case. I mean he may well have some true issues.
GRACE: Oh, here it comes.
(CROSSTALK)
GRACE: Just like, if it didn`t fit, you must acquit. Now it`s diagnosed or demonized. Got a question for you, did you make that up?
BREMNER: No comment. I`ll take credit for it, if you like it.
GRACE: OK, so Anne, when you say diagnosed or demonized, explain, translate for me.
BREMNER: What I`m basically saying, Nancy, in more simpler terms is that either we`re looking at -- some kind of mental defense, because this is so bizarre, or, in fact, he`s really a horrible person and went out and did kind of one of those horrible acts, killing -- trying to kill a bride and groom at their wedding ceremony of all things.
This is a classic case of one or the other.
GRACE: To Tracy Dennis, psychology professor, it`s audacious and I think Anne Bremner is actually correct that there`s got to be some type of mental defense. I mean, the guests at the wedding chased him down. That is how cops finally get him. They chased him down, seeing that he is getting away. They get in their vehicles and they chased the guy from the wedding as the bride and groom are rushed to the emergency room.
The audacity of this shooting, what does it mean?
DENNIS: Well, it does -- a diagnosis I think might be warranted. It doesn`t excuse this behavior and it shouldn`t in a legal context. But he is showing signs of anti-social personality disorder, and that includes a clear lack of empathy for other`s feelings, lawlessness, disregard for laws, impulsivity.
GRACE: Of course that will not rise to a mental defect. It could be a defense in some jurisdictions.
Out to the lines, Ty in Washington. Hi, Ty.
TY, WASHINGTON RESIDENT: Hi.
GRACE: What`s your question, dear?
TY: I was wondering if it`s possible that the shooter knew anybody at the wedding.
GRACE: Excellent question. Back to Mary Kincy Benefield with the Russellville Courier, any connection at all to anyone?
BENEFIELD: Apparently not. I was told by several witnesses at the scene that he may have had some interaction with them. Of course, we would presume that from the altercation. But from what we`re being told by police sources, they did not know one another.
GRACE: To Eben Brown, investigative reporter -- Eben, I understand they got into a verbal argument over their dogs, one of them being a pit bull?
BROWN: It`s a little shaky, Nancy. Somebody insulted the other person`s dog and then somehow this turned into a shooting. And it`s still really up in the air. But this began over words about the opinion of someone else`s dog.
GRACE: To Mike Brooks, I`ve seen homicides over something as small as a $10 debt. So I`m not surprised that they had a fight over their dogs. What`s he doing carrying around a 9 millimeter weapon?
BROOKS: Exactly. Well, you know, it`s Arkansas, so a lot of people carry guns in their cars in Arkansas like they do here in Georgia.
GRACE: A lot of people carry guns in their cars all over the country, Mike.
BROOKS: Exactly. But I`m saying, you know, a little argument like that escalates, this guy has got some issues, needless to say.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
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05-28-2008, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lorettalockhorn
SisterOfTheBride recently posted this message at the KTHV website:
SisterOfTheBride wrote:
The bride had surgery to remove bone fragments from her brain since she was shot, at close range, in the forehead. We are hopeful that she will recover completely, though will be left with a considerable scar. The groom was shot twice, once in the jaw and once in the neck. The doctors are still trying to determine when his first surgery will be, but he is expected to eventually recover. The third victim was shot in the chest and is also still in the hospital, but is expected to recover. The forth victim was not part of the wedding party and was not known to the people at the wedding. She was with the shooter and received her wound while attempting to stop him from shooting. It is my understanding that she was shot in either the arm or hand.
Thanks to those who have offered kind words.
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SisterOfTheBride posted that the shooter's girlfriend was shot in the arm or hand, but today's Courier reports that she is the victim who was shot in the chest. She has been moved out of ICU according to the article. It's also reported that how Duvall received his injuries is being investigated. (The Courier hasn't posted online yet.)
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I went to brush something off my cheek and it was the floor. Raymond Chandler
It's easy to quit smoking. I've done it hundreds of times. Mark Twain
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
Heredity is what sets the parents of a teenager wondering about each other. Laurence J. Peter
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05-28-2008, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lorettalockhorn
SisterOfTheBride posted that the shooter's girlfriend was shot in the arm or hand, but today's Courier reports that she is the victim who was shot in the chest. She has been moved out of ICU according to the article. It's also reported that how Duvall received his injuries is being investigated. (The Courier hasn't posted online yet.)
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I also wondered about the injuries on him loretta. I reminded myself that he was chased by a member of the wedding group and the police. Got stuck with one car and stole another so there is no telling how he was injured. IMO
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05-28-2008, 12:49 PM
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That's absolutly horrible and i agree with you Sarah. People have to learn to keep there cool and these random shooting's have to stop
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I feel it is more than that Serial but I could just be blowing smoke. I live in the state that has the worst unemployment at this time. Businesses are closing down all around me. I have lost my job. Houses all over are being foreclosed and gas is over 4.00 a gallon not to mention the price of food has become outrageous. I truly believe the rise in crime (especially murder and attemted murder) has a great deal to do with the economy. I mean a lot of these perps may be unstable but the push of no money makes for a lot of stress and maybe pushing people over the edge. I think the very worst part is the murder/suicide of families. I have never seen it like this in my life. Anyway I am off my soapbox now. I hope you have a good day. IMO
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
Heredity is what sets the parents of a teenager wondering about each other. Laurence J. Peter
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05-28-2008, 04:50 PM
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It's easy to quit smoking. I've done it hundreds of times. Mark Twain
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
Heredity is what sets the parents of a teenager wondering about each other. Laurence J. Peter
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05-28-2008, 11:40 PM
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I went to brush something off my cheek and it was the floor. Raymond Chandler
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
Heredity is what sets the parents of a teenager wondering about each other. Laurence J. Peter
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05-28-2008, 11:54 PM
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I think he should be made to pay for plastic surgery for bride and groom. He is so lucky he did not kill anyone he has no idea. IMO
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05-29-2008, 12:05 AM
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I think he should be made to pay for plastic surgery for bride and groom. He is so lucky he did not kill anyone he has no idea. IMO
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They should file a civil suit for restitution.
Dover Times article:
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
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05-29-2008, 01:11 AM
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Loretta did you read the article below the one about the wedding in this link?
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05-29-2008, 01:16 AM
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I noticed an article about a drug dog and Duvall's candidacy for sheriff, but I hate reading online and figured they will be in the Atkins Chronicle when it comes in the mail tomorrow. What'd I miss? 
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
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05-29-2008, 01:21 AM
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I noticed an article about a drug dog and Duvall's candidacy for sheriff, but I hate reading online and figured they will be in the Atkins Chronicle when it comes in the mail tomorrow. What'd I miss? |
I just thought it was interesting that the suspect and sheriff have the same last name. that is all. maybe I am getting tired
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05-29-2008, 01:30 AM
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The suspect is Duvall and the sheriff's investigator is Du Vall. No kin that anyone is claiming. 
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A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Winston Churchill
And I would add that the truth and Ms. Anthony are strangers. The Honorable Stan Strickland
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The suspect is Duvall and the sheriff's investigator is Du Vall. No kin that anyone is claiming. |
You are right. I am sorry. I need sleep. Have a good night.
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05-29-2008, 02:02 AM
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Sweet dreams
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05-29-2008, 03:52 AM
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I feel it is more than that Serial but I could just be blowing smoke. I live in the state that has the worst unemployment at this time. Businesses are closing down all around me. I have lost my job. Houses all over are being foreclosed and gas is over 4.00 a gallon not to mention the price of food has become outrageous. I truly believe the rise in crime (especially murder and attemted murder) has a great deal to do with the economy. I mean a lot of these perps may be unstable but the push of no money makes for a lot of stress and maybe pushing people over the edge. I think the very worst part is the murder/suicide of families. I have never seen it like this in my life. Anyway I am off my soapbox now. I hope you have a good day. IMO
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I totally agree with you Sarah it has a great deal to do with the economy some people are pushed into doing criminal act's just so they can survive. For example stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family. I believe that is acceptable in the a specific situation IMO of course Sarah 
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I totally agree with you Sarah it has a great deal to do with the economy some people are pushed into doing criminal act's just so they can survive. For example stealing a loaf of bread to feed your starving family. I believe that is acceptable in the a specific situation IMO of course Sarah |
Well Serial I think with the economy and the war people are pushed to the brink. For most of them I guess it would not take much. However I still hold anyone sane should be held accountable for their actions. In the long run it means knowing the difference between right and wrong in my mind. IMO
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I think people have a responsibility to themselves and the rest of the world to recognize their own strengths and weaknesses and must maintain their own coping mechanisms. This guy fell short; regardless of what instigated this situation.
Today's Courier article:
http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=18606
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I think people have a responsibility to themselves and the rest of the world to recognize their own strengths and weaknesses and must maintain their own coping mechanisms. This guy fell short; regardless of what instigated this situation.
Today's Courier article:
http://couriernews.com/story.php?ID=18606 |
Now. . . I just heard that the shooter had been beat up BEFORE the shooting??? 
Guess I better get off my ars and start reading lol! 
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Now. . . I just heard that the shooter had been beat up BEFORE the shooting???
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Apparently the shooting was in retaliation for his having been assaulted. Or so his story goes. He doesn't deny the shooting, but offers no explanation for why he didn't just drive away.
What gets me is that he kept a loaded weapon in the car where he had transported his own children and then fired at random endangering his own children. Don't most species strive to protect their young?
Don't envy LE trying to sort out this cluster****.
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From The Courier link. . .
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Duvall remembered the encounter differently, however, Pope County Sheriff’s Investigator Stephen Pack indicated during testimony Wednesday.
Pack testified Duvall told him the violence erupted after his fiancee witnessed a couple engaged in a “lewd act” near the creek and confronted them. Pack said Duvall told him an ensuing argument between Duvall’s fiancee and two other women turned physical, at which time Duvall said he moved to intervene and was attacked by several males wielding both fists and rocks.
Duvall displayed several facial lacerations and contusions at the hearing, and was transported via Pope County EMS to Saint Mary’s Regional Medical Center following his surrender to police, but the manner in which he sustained the injuries was not directly addressed in court proceedings Wednesday.
Pack said Duvall indicated he feared for his life and admitted to shooting at the wedding party.
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Guess it's my turn to play devil's advocate. . . I don't know folks. . . if I were attacked by a mob down by the creek it would be a good thing that there is no gun stowed in my car. Scary situation on BOTH sides IMO.
Is anyone getting "Hatfield and McCoy" vibes from this whole thing or is it just me????
Glad no one lost their life.
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Apparently the shooting was in retaliation for his having been assaulted. Or so his story goes. He doesn't deny the shooting, but offers no explanation for why he didn't just drive away.
What gets me is that he kept a loaded weapon in the car where he had transported his own children and then fired at random endangering his own children. Don't most species strive to protect their young?
Don't envy LE trying to sort out this cluster****.
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Yeppers. . . he should have just drove away! Endangering his own kids!? 
My thoughts are with LE on this one. . .
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I know there were other kids from the wedding there also. I may have pulled out a gun (hopefully locked) if I was being beaten but would not shoot it. Just to scare people off. I think.........IMO
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05-29-2008, 06:40 PM
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Guess it's my turn to play devil's advocate. . . I don't know folks. . . if I were attacked by a mob down by the creek it would be a good thing that there is no gun stowed in my car. Scary situation on BOTH sides IMO.
Is anyone getting "Hatfield and McCoy" vibes from this whole thing or is it just me????
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But if the guy can make it to his car, he can escape. I cannot imagine that his defense will be that he was intending to protect his family since he fired at random.
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05-29-2008, 07:24 PM
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But if the guy can make it to his car, he can escape. I cannot imagine that his defense will be that he was intending to protect his family since he fired at random.
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I thought his girlfriend got the gun out of the car and took it to him. Poor LE. IMO
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05-29-2008, 07:39 PM
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According to the Dover Times article:
According to a witness who was not affiliated with either party...........Words were exchanged and a fight broke out between the woman and members of the wedding party. Duvall became involved and was taken to the ground and according to witnesses was hit in the face with a rock. Duvall got away and warned that he was going to get a gun. Duvall then retrieved a 9mm handgun from his vehicle and shot a warning into the air before opening fire on those who were approaching him.
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According to the Dover Times article:
According to a witness who was not affiliated with either party...........Words were exchanged and a fight broke out between the woman and members of the wedding party. Duvall became involved and was taken to the ground and according to witnesses was hit in the face with a rock. Duvall got away and warned that he was going to get a gun. Duvall then retrieved a 9mm handgun from his vehicle and shot a warning into the air before opening fire on those who were approaching him.
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Poor LE. I am sorry Loretta. I thought I read she got the gun when the story first came out. IMO
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But if the guy can make it to his car, he can escape. I cannot imagine that his defense will be that he was intending to protect his family since he fired at random.
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According to the Dover Times article:
According to a witness who was not affiliated with either party...........Words were exchanged and a fight broke out between the woman and members of the wedding party. Duvall became involved and was taken to the ground and according to witnesses was hit in the face with a rock. Duvall got away and warned that he was going to get a gun. Duvall then retrieved a 9mm handgun from his vehicle and shot a warning into the air before opening fire on those who were approaching him.
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It sounds like he only shot those that came at him????
Yes, he could have drove away. . . but who in their right mind would have left loved ones there???
Sad situation! *shaking head*
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It sounds like he only shot those that came at him????
Yes, he could have drove away. . . but who in their right mind would have left loved ones there???
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I think there were people in the water either behind the people he was shooting at, or between them. (There are probably as many stories as there are witnesses.)
The guy wasn't or isn't in his right mind to begin with. He should have left with or without his family rather than go for the gun to warn, scare and/or shoot anyone. And who drives around with a loaded weapon with kids in the car? And does he have a concealed handgun permit? Is he going to be charged with reckless endangerment? Assault with a deadly weapon? Attempted murder? Failure to protect? Littering?  (Why didn't the SO pick up those shell casings?)
Sure, both sides are at fault, but Duvall is the one who committed felonies and put so many lives at risk. No excuse.
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Well Serial I think with the economy and the war people are pushed to the brink. For most of them I guess it would not take much. However I still hold anyone sane should be held accountable for their actions. In the long run it means knowing the difference between right and wrong in my mind. IMO
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Yer that's true but i believe there is Justifiable circumstance's to commit "crime's. That's true when it come's to Murder,Rape Etc Sarah and i Agree with You.
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05-29-2008, 11:12 PM
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I know there were other kids from the wedding there also. I may have pulled out a gun (hopefully locked) if I was being beaten but would not shoot it. Just to scare people off. I think.........IMO
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Yer Excaclty But Some People Aren't that Calm.
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Yer Excaclty But Some People Aren't that Calm.
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You are probably right. It is so hard to say what happened because
everyone has a different story and I am sure it is not on video. As loretta said the LE will definitely have their hands full. IMO
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I feel it is more than that Serial but I could just be blowing smoke. I live in the state that has the worst unemployment at this time. Businesses are closing down all around me. I have lost my job. Houses all over are being foreclosed and gas is over 4.00 a gallon not to mention the price of food has become outrageous. I truly believe the rise in crime (especially murder and attemted murder) has a great deal to do with the economy. I mean a lot of these perps may be unstable but the push of no money makes for a lot of stress and maybe pushing people over the edge. I think the very worst part is the murder/suicide of families. I have never seen it like this in my life. Anyway I am off my soapbox now. I hope you have a good day. IMO
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What you are saying is very true. People are being pushed to do things that they might never do under normal circumstances. Stress is on an all time high. But i still dont think that justifies shooting a bunch of people.
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