Scott Peterson -- The Murderer

[Otter]

I've never felt compelled to start a thread here, even when we weren't allowed. That being said, the title of this subforum has always bothered me.

"The Murder of Laci Peterson"

Where's Connner?

I understand that FH20 was between the proverbial rock and a hard place in naming this place. But since all of our work, debate, arguments and thoughts will soon be disappearing I just wanted to put it out that DRISP murdered his family in cold blood. And this family included a little one never born.

I've enjoyed getting to know many of you although I wish it could've been under better circumstances. What a horrible thing to "one-upping" each other over for the sake of winning.

He'll be in a cage until he dies. His parents are in their own cage.

And may the people that know and love Laci and Conner one day find peace -- even a tenuous one -- that they know that total strangers love them because of Laci's light.

What a gift to leave.

[Wearing A Halo]

Originally Posted by Otter

I've never felt compelled to start a thread here, even when we weren't allowed. That being said, the title of this subforum has always bothered me.

"The Murder of Laci Peterson"

Where's Connner?

I understand that FH20 was between the proverbial rock and a hard place in naming this place. But since all of our work, debate, arguments and thoughts will soon be disappearing I just wanted to put it out that DRISP murdered his family in cold blood. And this family included a little one never born.

I've enjoyed getting to know many of you although I wish it could've been under better circumstances. What a horrible thing to "one-upping" each other over for the sake of winning.

He'll be in a cage until he dies. His parents are in their own cage.

And may the people that know and love Laci and Conner one day find peace -- even a tenuous one -- that they know that total strangers love them because of Laci's light.

What a gift to leave.

ITA withy Otter!

It was 5 years ago today that DRISP "lost his wife" and his unborn son never existed since he "didn't want any children."

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by Otter

I've never felt compelled to start a thread here, even when we weren't allowed. That being said, the title of this subforum has always bothered me.

"The Murder of Laci Peterson"

Where's Connner?

I understand that FH20 was between the proverbial rock and a hard place in naming this place. But since all of our work, debate, arguments and thoughts will soon be disappearing I just wanted to put it out that DRISP murdered his family in cold blood. And this family included a little one never born.

I've enjoyed getting to know many of you although I wish it could've been under better circumstances. What a horrible thing to "one-upping" each other over for the sake of winning.

He'll be in a cage until he dies. His parents are in their own cage.

And may the people that know and love Laci and Conner one day find peace -- even a tenuous one -- that they know that total strangers love them because of Laci's light.

What a gift to leave.

You're right, of course. Thanks for the lovely sentiment.

I don't post as often as some, but I am frequently browsing around. Most of the posters here are compassionate, caring individuals that I would like in my "real world". I hope your post doesn't mean you won't be joining us at 320sycamore.com. I am so greatful that we will still have a place to gather and share opinions.

[TopGunner]

Originally Posted by Otter

I've never felt compelled to start a thread here, even when we weren't allowed. That being said, the title of this subforum has always bothered me.

"The Murder of Laci Peterson"

Where's Connner?

I understand that FH20 was between the proverbial rock and a hard place in naming this place. But since all of our work, debate, arguments and thoughts will soon be disappearing I just wanted to put it out that DRISP murdered his family in cold blood. And this family included a little one never born.

I've enjoyed getting to know many of you although I wish it could've been under better circumstances. What a horrible thing to "one-upping" each other over for the sake of winning.

He'll be in a cage until he dies. His parents are in their own cage.

And may the people that know and love Laci and Conner one day find peace -- even a tenuous one -- that they know that total strangers love them because of Laci's light.

What a gift to leave.

Otter, this is such a beautiful post. I agree with everything you said, just the way that you said it.

I have asked myself more than once, do I still come around because of my interest in this case, or because of the *friends* I've grown to care about here. A bit of both I suppose.

I will be at 320Sycamore because I can't let go, LOL...but also because time is flying by and I want a front row seat when the appeal process starts. I hope to see you there Otter.

[Buckethead]

Originally Posted by Otter

I've never felt compelled to start a thread here, even when we weren't allowed. That being said, the title of this subforum has always bothered me.

"The Murder of Laci Peterson"

Where's Connner?

I understand that FH20 was between the proverbial rock and a hard place in naming this place. But since all of our work, debate, arguments and thoughts will soon be disappearing I just wanted to put it out that DRISP murdered his family in cold blood. And this family included a little one never born.

I've enjoyed getting to know many of you although I wish it could've been under better circumstances. What a horrible thing to "one-upping" each other over for the sake of winning.

He'll be in a cage until he dies. His parents are in their own cage.

And may the people that know and love Laci and Conner one day find peace -- even a tenuous one -- that they know that total strangers love them because of Laci's light.

What a gift to leave.

Excellent post Otter!

[Miss Bootsie]

Originally Posted by Otter

I've never felt compelled to start a thread here, even when we weren't allowed. That being said, the title of this subforum has always bothered me.

"The Murder of Laci Peterson"

Where's Connner?

I understand that FH20 was between the proverbial rock and a hard place in naming this place. But since all of our work, debate, arguments and thoughts will soon be disappearing I just wanted to put it out that DRISP murdered his family in cold blood. And this family included a little one never born.

I've enjoyed getting to know many of you although I wish it could've been under better circumstances. What a horrible thing to "one-upping" each other over for the sake of winning.

He'll be in a cage until he dies. His parents are in their own cage.

And may the people that know and love Laci and Conner one day find peace -- even a tenuous one -- that they know that total strangers love them because of Laci's light.

What a gift to leave.

Beautiful post Otter.

[Lili007]

Originally Posted by Otter

I've never felt compelled to start a thread here, even when we weren't allowed. That being said, the title of this subforum has always bothered me.

"The Murder of Laci Peterson"

Where's Connner?

I understand that FH20 was between the proverbial rock and a hard place in naming this place. But since all of our work, debate, arguments and thoughts will soon be disappearing I just wanted to put it out that DRISP murdered his family in cold blood. And this family included a little one never born.

I've enjoyed getting to know many of you although I wish it could've been under better circumstances. What a horrible thing to "one-upping" each other over for the sake of winning.

He'll be in a cage until he dies. His parents are in their own cage.

And may the people that know and love Laci and Conner one day find peace -- even a tenuous one -- that they know that total strangers love them because of Laci's light.

What a gift to leave.

Your post can't be repeated often enough.

I'm reminded of DRIP's comment about Conner's nursery... "this door stays closed until there's a little guy to put in there" (words to that effect, apologies if it's not exactly verbatim).

Then the pictures of Conner's nursery filled with chairs, furniture, his crib full of bags and scattered clothing, paraphenalia from top to bottom... A store-room, long before Conner was found dead along with his mother. Seems like Scott knew that there was never going to be "a little guy" in there, IMO.

I don't know why, but Laci and Conner's "case", and I loath to call it that, touched me so much from the beginning and it has never let go. I'm a total stranger to all concerned, but somehow I feel more than indignation and outrage and anger at what Scott did, it's more like a tug of the heart that you can't ignore.

Like I've said before in another post, there have been cases in Australia which almost make DRIP a choir boy, but... somehow, Laci's gets me every time. I think it may have a lot to do with the joy she seemed to take from life and the joy she gave in return, and the ultimate happiness she was expecting and was so horribly robbed of by her own "loving" husband, IMO. I was going to say 'beastly', but even beasts protect their young, so there's no comparison, IMO.


JMO

[Invrdv8]

I don't believe ALL beasts protect their young just like ALL humans don't protect theirs.

[Lili007]

So maybe not ALL beasts protect their young.

Your point?

[Lili007]

Just a thought on beasts and humans...

Beasts - as in animals, carnivore - kill to eat in order to physically survive and propagate the species.

On the other hand, humans who kill other humans mostly do it for emotional reasons; greed, rage, jealousy, love, anger, desperation, frustration, loss of perspective, mental disturbances of varying forms and degrees.

In other words, when a person kills another, it's generally not because their survival demands it, but because their ego does, IMO.

JMO

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Lili007

Just a thought on beasts and humans...

Beasts - as in animals, carnivore - kill to eat in order to physically survive and propagate the species.

On the other hand, humans who kill other humans mostly do it for emotional reasons; greed, rage, jealousy, love, anger, desperation, frustration, loss of perspective, mental disturbances of varying forms and degrees.

In other words, when a person kills another, it's generally not because their survival demands it, but because their ego does, IMO.

JMO

Very provocative theory, one that I will have to ponder. One word in your theory I absolutely agree with is ego, or more accurately, arrogance. For one to decide the death of another person is a viable option to end a relationship or situation, much less the best option, renders that person useless to society. IMO

[Lili007]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Very provocative theory, one that I will have to ponder. One word in your theory I absolutely agree with is ego, or more accurately, arrogance. For one to decide the death of another person is a viable option to end a relationship or situation, much less the best option, renders that person useless to society. IMO

That's what supposedly distinguishes us from animals - the ability to think logically and coherently, and act humanely. Let's face it - we also kill to eat: turkey, bacon, lamb, beef, chicken, etc... But that's permissible because that's food and it's part of life.

Killing your own is not. Unless in self-defence, that's just plain murder dictated by some strong emotion, whatever it may be. Ego is what feeds it, arrogance is what makes killers believe they're entitled and that they're going to get away with it...

JMO

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Lili007

That's what supposedly distinguishes us from animals - the ability to think logically and coherently, and act humanely. Let's face it - we also kill to eat: turkey, bacon, lamb, beef, chicken, etc... But that's permissible because that's food and it's part of life.

Killing your own is not. Unless in self-defence, that's just plain murder dictated by some strong emotion, whatever it may be. Ego is what feeds it, arrogance is what makes killers believe they're entitled and that they're going to get away with it...

JMO

Well, since we are collectively displaying, as a society, behaviors much more befitting the animal kingdom than the human one, what are law abiding honorable people willing to do to ensure that like animals sometimes do, the humans don't evolve into an example of survival of the fittest. Because it's gotten to the point that those who respect humanity have less to say about it than those who do not. IMO

By the way Lili, you're views are kinda cool!

[Lili007]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Well, since we are collectively displaying, as a society, behaviors much more befitting the animal kingdom than the human one, what are law abiding honorable people willing to do to ensure that like animals sometimes do, the humans don't evolve into an example of survival of the fittest. Because it's gotten to the point that those who respect humanity have less to say about it than those who do not. IMO

By the way Lili, you're views are kinda cool!

Thanks frydaddy. I don't advocate the DP, by the way. I think that's just another, legal, way to kill someone. I will be the first to say that some of the murderers deserve nothing more, but I just don't like the idea of it. That probably makes me a moral coward.

About the evolvement of human kind... sometimes it's survival of the meanest, but - thankfully! - never for long. Because I believe we have an innate sense of right and wrong and, though some deviate from it, the great majority don't. Nature vs. nurture - there's a lot to say for both.

But most people are caring, decent, honest and compassionate. What distinguishes the aberrants is atavistic behaviour. The preservation of self at all costs, whether right or wrong. Maybe some people just don't evolve beyond that, or, much more likely IMO, they somehow revert to it in the face of perceived threat, loss of control and therefore loss of their identity, as they see it.

'Nuff of that.

JMO

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Lili007

Thanks frydaddy. I don't advocate the DP, by the way. I think that's just another, legal, way to kill someone. I will be the first to say that some of the murderers deserve nothing more, but I just don't like the idea of it. That probably makes me a moral coward.

About the evolvement of human kind... sometimes it's survival of the meanest, but - thankfully! - never for long. Because I believe we have an innate sense of right and wrong and, though some deviate from it, the great majority don't. Nature vs. nurture - there's a lot to say for both.

But most people are caring, decent, honest and compassionate. What distinguishes the aberrants is atavistic behaviour. The preservation of self at all costs, whether right or wrong. Maybe some people just don't evolve beyond that, or, much more likely IMO, they somehow revert to it in the face of perceived threat, loss of control and therefore loss of their identity, as they see it.

'Nuff of that.

JMO

In truth, even though I am definity pro-capital punishment, I've never considered those who oppose it to be moral cowards. I've actually considered them in a more complimentary fashion and possibly even questioning my own values by wondering if I should be more compassionate as many seem to be. On my less sensitive days, I may consider anti-DP folks as "soft", but would never go so far as judging their character on the issue.

Once, I read a comment that the DP is government sanctioned murder. I responded and asked if taxation was government sactioned theft. I wish I had saved some of the responses from the thinkers in the room, because while many were profound, I don't know that any were absolute. Anyway, take care Lili!

[Lili007]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

In truth, even though I am definity pro-capital punishment, I've never considered those who oppose it to be moral cowards. I've actually considered them in a more complimentary fashion and possibly even questioning my own values by wondering if I should be more compassionate as many seem to be. On my less sensitive days, I may consider anti-DP folks as "soft", but would never go so far as judging their character on the issue.

Once, I read a comment that the DP is government sanctioned murder. I responded and asked if taxation was government sactioned theft. I wish I had saved some of the responses from the thinkers in the room, because while many were profound, I don't know that any were absolute. Anyway, take care Lili!

LOL!!! I love your comment about taxation!!! I'm sorry I missed that thread. I'd have agreed with you. Happy holidays, frydaddy!