Discussion Thread 2007 (Part 4)

[Riviera]

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[ArubaSteve]

IMO Beth did run the show. And as soon as she got the ear of Jossy the publicity seeker and teller of tales it got even worse. What do you mean "she doesn't speak the language"? They speak english.

[Luke Davis]

And finally, to complete the cable realness, Natalee Holloway's mother bounced out and declared, "When Rita came to Aruba, she had one mission—to seek justice!"

VOICE

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

And finally, to complete the cable realness, Natalee Holloway's mother bounced out and declared, "When Rita came to Aruba, she had one mission—to seek justice!"

VOICE

Some wordsmiths certainly know how to capture an vivid image with a minimum of words.

[ortiga]

OMG

Fasten your seatbeats and get out the dramamine!!

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #846 in Books

Down over 300 in just 1 day!!

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by ortiga

OMG

Fasten your seatbeats and get out the dramamine!!

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #846 in Books

Down over 300 in just 1 day!!

wait until Texas

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

wait until Texas

But maybe the appearances are the problem?

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by ortiga

OMG

Fasten your seatbeats and get out the dramamine!!

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #846 in Books

Down over 300 in just 1 day!!

For some, ginger works well to defeat extreme motion sickness

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #960 in Books

Better note the time as the book is dropping about 80 positions an hour: 5:25 pm Wed

Once when she was in Texas Beth auctioned off a "Call me Hootie" poster.

Maybe if she gives away hootie posters with the books?

IMO

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by ortiga

OMG around noon wed:
Amazon.com Sales Rank: #846 in Books

Originally Posted by ortiga

Amazon.com Sales Rank: #960 in Books

Better note the time as the book is dropping about 80 positions an hour: 5:25 pm Wed

7:30 pm same day: Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,023 in Books

[fairmaiden]

<*R>

Well Heyes .... Personally, I think it's noteworthy. Do you think people might be learning, by word of mouth, that the "TRUTH" of the kidnapping in Aruba .... is just NOT in that book !!?? As Aruba Steve said today, you would think the truth would be revealed, backed up by some FACTS.

JMO

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Well Heyes .... Personally, I think it's noteworthy. Do you think people might be learning, by word of mouth, that the "TRUTH" of the kidnapping in Aruba .... is just NOT in that book !!?? As Aruba Steve said today, you would think the truth would be revealed, backed up by some FACTS.

JMO

It is an eyeopener, FM. Dave's book is hovering around 14,000, I would be willing to bet that Beth's book is at the same level pretty soon now. So far I haven't seen that the word "kidnapping" is even addressed in the text. Kinda like in some places south of the border they say "salmon" on the can of fish in big letters, and then when you open the can it's ground up tuna.

IMO

[Riviera]

I suggest everyone stay on topic and stop with the personal insults.


Thank you
R

[Riviera]

Please send your personal grievances either through pm or the report a post option. They do not belong on the open forum. If the bickering/personal insults continue you will leave me no other option than to lock this thread. For how long? I will leave that up to Freshwater.

Thank you
R

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[ortiga]

Barnes and Noble sales rank..... Oct 10 Sales Rank: 2741
Barnesandnoble.com

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by ortiga

7:30 pm same day: Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,023 in Books

8:15 pm: amazon ranking Amazon.com Sales Rank: #1,085

How many ways to spell p l u m m e t ?

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Hi ortiga .... Since the book has only been out for a short time, it DOES seem to be plummeting in sales. I think it's predictable .... the people who have placed Beth on some kind of pedestal for this entire time, are going to rave about the book. Those who are looking for the TRUTH, are not so enamored by it.

Just My Opinion

I think we all got what we expected. I was hoping for more but nothing really caught my attention.

Beth could have put so much into the book, answered so many questions but she chose not to.

I would like to have learned more about the chaperones. Were they Natalee's teachers? Did they see her in the car with the island guys?

What about GVC? Was he grabbing Natalee on the dance floor? Did the MB guys get in a scuffle with him?

And GVC's friend Steve Croes? He still has me baffled. And so much more.

But no. We hear about a restaurant, going to the laundry and handing out prayer cards. I don't want to hear about Beth. I want to know about the kidnapping.

So, I'll wait and hope something comes out in the Kalpoe lawsuit.

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I think we all got what we expected. I was hoping for more but nothing really caught my attention.

Beth could have put so much into the book, answered so many questions but she chose not to.

I would like to have learned more about the chaperones. Were they Natalee's teachers? Did they see her in the car with the island guys?

What about GVC? Was he grabbing Natalee on the dance floor? Did the MB guys get in a scuffle with him?

And GVC's friend Steve Croes? He still has me baffled. And so much more.

But no. We hear about a restaurant, going to the laundry and handing out prayer cards. I don't want to hear about Beth. I want to know about the kidnapping.

So, I'll wait and hope something comes out in the Kalpoe lawsuit.

Luke .... You absolutely summed it all up. We have constantly heard about all the proof she claims to have .... about what she has to say that will "shock the world".

Her Foundation is dedicated to telling "Natalee's Story", when none of it has ever been proven .... not to mention her constant accusations of three people of crimes so terrible, again without proof.

JMO

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I think we all got what we expected. I was hoping for more but nothing really caught my attention.

Beth could have put so much into the book, answered so many questions but she chose not to.

I would like to have learned more about the chaperones. Were they Natalee's teachers? Did they see her in the car with the island guys?

What about GVC? Was he grabbing Natalee on the dance floor? Did the MB guys get in a scuffle with him?

And GVC's friend Steve Croes? He still has me baffled. And so much more.

But no. We hear about a restaurant, going to the laundry and handing out prayer cards. I don't want to hear about Beth. I want to know about the kidnapping.

So, I'll wait and hope something comes out in the Kalpoe lawsuit.

Not to be insulting or disrespectful, but I don't understand how anyone who has followed this case from the beginning could have expected anything more from Beth's book than what it presented.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Grandad

Not to be insulting or disrespectful, but I don't understand how anyone who has followed this case from the beginning could have expected anything more from Beth's book than what it presented.

HOPE springs eternal.

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

HOPE springs eternal.

But I believe hope and expectation are two different things.

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Grandad

Not to be insulting or disrespectful, but I don't understand how anyone who has followed this case from the beginning could have expected anything more from Beth's book than what it presented.

Grandad .... I have to tell you, I was actually WONDERING about the book, especially when I saw the subtitle on the front cover . I thought maybe she DID have something that was going to be news to us all .... something solid .... something FACTUAL about the "Kidnapping". It didn't take me long to find out that the TRUTH of the "kidnapping" was never divulged in the book .... from what I understand, it's just an elaboration of what we've heard for over 2 years.

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Eurydice

Remember, it was HUGE.

Yes, I DO remember that Eury .... It's my opinion that this "news" was Deepak's interview with Skeeters, where, according to Beth, he admitted they all raped Natalee. Of course, we all know where THAT stands now.

JMO

[No Nic]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Yes, I DO remember that Eury .... It's my opinion that this "news" was Deepak's interview with Skeeters, where, according to Beth, he admitted they all raped Natalee. Of course, we all know where THAT stands now.

JMO

How does it "stand", FM?

Has there been a resolution in the lawsuit?

Has a judge ruled in Deepaks favor?

Or was it a jury trial?

Please enlighten me as to what "we all know".

TIA

[HiLife]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Yes, I DO remember that Eury .... It's my opinion that this "news" was Deepak's interview with Skeeters, where, according to Beth, he admitted they all raped Natalee. Of course, we all know where THAT stands now.

JMO

Where does THAT stand? What is it "we all know?"

jmo

[HiLife]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

<snip>

It didn't take me long to find out that the TRUTH of the "kidnapping" was never divulged in the book .... from what I understand, it's just an elaboration of what we've heard for over 2 years.

JMO

Yes, what we have heard for over 2 years is that ALE and the Aruban Prosecutor's office suspect Joran and the Kalpoes of kidnap, rape and murder.

JMO

[No Nic]

Originally Posted by HiLife

Where does THAT stand? What is it "we all know?"

jmo

GMTA

imo

[HiLife]

Originally Posted by No Nic

GMTA

imo

I'm honored!

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by HiLife

Yes, what we have heard for over 2 years is that ALE and the Aruban Prosecutor's office suspect Joran and the Kalpoes of kidnap, rape and murder.

JMO

Along with how many others? Six? Seven?

[HiLife]

Originally Posted by Grandad

Along with how many others? Six? Seven?

J2K were/are the primary suspects.

jmo

[No Nic]

Originally Posted by HiLife

J2K were/are the primary suspects.

jmo

"All roads lead back to JK2" ~Quote from Aruba~

[HiLife]

Originally Posted by No Nic

"All roads lead back to JK2" ~Quote from Aruba~

Pithy, yet true.

Nite, NN!

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by HiLife

J2K were/are the primary suspects.

jmo

I don't believe ALE or the Aruban prosecutor ever referred to J2K as "primary" suspects. If you have a link to an official statement from either designating them "primary suspects", I'd really appreciate your posting it.

[No Nic]

Originally Posted by Grandad

I don't believe ALE or the Aruban prosecutor ever referred to J2K as "primary" suspects. If you have a link to an official statement from either designating them "primary suspects", I'd really appreciate your posting it.

“Bringing in the prime suspect is basically the last thing we do," Dompig explains. "When we bring you in, we probably already know the story because we have observed. We have talked to all your friends. We have checked your phone line. We have done everything that is technically possible to know about your whereabouts.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...44_page3.shtml

Here is just one, spin it any way you want (prime/primary, lol), but Dompig is clearly speaking of JK2. I am confident there are more out there, but I am to tired tonight to search further.

imo

[Riviera]

Here's the deal folks. I've been getting non-stop reports from this forum. 1st it was the "Loving Natlie" thread - end result - Locked. Then it was the Discussion Thread Part 3 - end result - Locked. Now I'm getting reports about Discussion Thread Part 4 and you haven't even made it to the 2nd page yet? My advice is this --->

Step away from your keyboard or step away from this particular topic for a few days. Crime Library offers plenty of other topics/forums to post on - maybe a change would do you good?

My only other option is to start banning people - which forces you to take a vacation from posting here. I do not want to lock this thread because a few of you can't be civil - it's simply not fair to the others.

Thank you
R

[JustMyOpinion]

Originally Posted by Grandad

I don't believe ALE or the Aruban prosecutor ever referred to J2K as "primary" suspects. If you have a link to an official statement from either designating them "primary suspects", I'd really appreciate your posting it.

I think it's common sense to determine J2K are the primary suspects in this case.
They were the last three known persons to be seen with a living, Natalee Holloway.
They are proven, admitted liars who changed their story after being taken into custody.
Their versions don't match up, and they lack corroboration for their stories.
Joran and the Kalpoes' detentions were prolonged, and the Kalpoes were re-arrested, and they all three were held for periods of time on reasonable suspicion of involvement in alleged crimes of kidnap, rape & murder.
Joran's court bid to have himself officially cleared as a suspect was unsuccessful.
This Spring when Dutch investigators came to Aruba, they searched the van der Sloot property and visited the Kalpoe home.
And, Dompig told Dan Abrams all paths lead back to J2K.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by No Nic

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...44_page3.shtml

Here is just one, spin it any way you want (prime/primary, lol), but Dompig is clearly speaking of JK2. I am confident there are more out there, but I am to tired tonight to search further.

imo

Nice try, but that statement would make all suspects the primary suspect.

Dompig is not clearly referring to anyone.

If you have a few spare days, read everything ever written about the case and see if you can find one reference to any official statement by ALE or the prosecutor officially designating anyone as the "prime" or "primary" suspect.

[Grandad]

Originally Posted by JustMyOpinion

I think it's common sense to determine J2K are the primary suspects in this case.
They were the last three known persons to be seen with a living, Natalee Holloway.
They are proven, admitted liars who changed their story after being taken into custody.
Their versions don't match up, and they lack corroboration for their stories.
Joran and the Kalpoes' detentions were prolonged, and the Kalpoes were re-arrested, and they all three were held for periods of time on reasonable suspicion of involvement in alleged crimes of kidnap, rape & murder.
Joran's court bid to have himself officially cleared as a suspect was unsuccessful.
This Spring when Dutch investigators came to Aruba, they searched the van der Sloot property and visited the Kalpoe home.
And, Dompig told Dan Abrams all paths lead back to J2K.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/

J2K are suspects, just like the others.

Neither ALE nor the prosecutor have ever designated any "primary" suspects, and even if they had, until they are charged, it would mean nothing.

[Grandad]

Also from No Nic's link (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...4_page5.shtml).

"And there’s another stunning revelation from the authorities: Though they’re convinced Holloway is dead, they tell 48 Hours that they believe she was not murdered."

And, "We’re not talking about killers here."

Seems Dompig doesn't agree with the experts on this board.

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by HiLife

Yes, what we have heard for over 2 years is that ALE and the Aruban Prosecutor's office suspect Joran and the Kalpoes of kidnap, rape and murder.

JMO

The "crimes" are only suspected to have happened. And if the crimes did happen, the suspects are only suspected to have committed the suspected crimes.

[ortiga]

Originally Posted by JustMyOpinion

I think it's common sense to determine J2K are the primary suspects in this case.
They were the last three known persons to be seen with a living, Natalee Holloway.
They are proven, admitted liars who changed their story after being taken into custody.
Their versions don't match up, and they lack corroboration for their stories.
Joran and the Kalpoes' detentions were prolonged, and the Kalpoes were re-arrested, and they all three were held for periods of time on reasonable suspicion of involvement in alleged crimes of kidnap, rape & murder.
Joran's court bid to have himself officially cleared as a suspect was unsuccessful.
This Spring when Dutch investigators came to Aruba, they searched the van der Sloot property and visited the Kalpoe home.
And, Dompig told Dan Abrams all paths lead back to J2K.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9676188/page/2/

Common sense or no common sense, there was never an official, published, ranking coming from the prosecutors office or ALE as to a ranking of the suspects...primary, secondary, tertiary, etc.

Also, on Abrams, Dompig told Abrams that Twitty was mistaken about having a document that supposedly said that Joran took Natalee to his house and had sex with her. Abrams asked Twitty, paraphrased, if she wanted some time to compose herself. Point being, quotes from Dompig can be used to bolster any point of view in the case.

IMO