Othellean Syndrome

[Big Ben]

I often wonder, was Shakespeare keenly aware of a delicate issue of race, and racial politique, during the 16th and early 17th century England to know the impact that a fictional account of a victorious Black general, and his alleged fatal, yet fanatical infatuation with a White woman would have on that general population.

Further, would his contemporaries of today's America intentionally promulgate a similiar tale, knowing the proclivity of the masses to become enveloped, again, in fascination and debate of a purely fabricated saga, namely "The Trial of the Century" as a result of a similiar racial politique.

In other words is racial politique the common denominator in both eras, then and now?

[socaldiva]

I don't think race has anything to do with it

[tv]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

I often wonder, was Shakespeare keenly aware of a delicate issue of race, and racial politique, during the 16th and early 17th century England to know the impact that a fictional account of a victorious Black general, and his alleged fatal, yet fanatical infatuation with a White woman would have on that general population.

Further, would his contemporaries of today's America intentionally promulgate a similiar tale, knowing the proclivity of the masses to become enveloped, again, in fascination and debate of a purely fabricated saga, namely "The Trial of the Century" as a result of a similiar racial politique.

In other words is racial politique the common denominator in both eras, then and now?

The answer to that is no. You can't make OJ Simpson out to be the tragic hero of a Shakespearian-style drama. He's simply a thug with money.

Race was only made an issue in the criminal trial because that was the only way to defend OJ Simpson with any hope of success. Celebrity and class issues were much more relevant to the murders and subsequent trial.

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by socaldiva

I don't think race has anything to do with it

Why this great fascination with everything Simpson? A star well past his shining glory. How did he deserve 12 months of hour by hour coverage?
Spector didn't! McVeigh didn't! Blake didn't! Shatner didn't! Even Osama didn't. Only O.J., and that is a fascinating observation to people around the world, a society preoccupied with one man.

It's almost like OJ gives America that needed boost to get back in the fight when facing a losing battle. "If we can't win here, pull out OJ. If we can't win there, pull out OJ."


I think that our shyness prevents us from examining the reality that it is this subliminal fascination with race that has brought us to this point.

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

You can't make OJ Simpson out to be the tragic hero of a Shakespearian-style drama.

I wasn't trying to.

The tragedy,to me,appears to be a predetermined belief that America is manipulable given an embarrassingly simplistic theory that a Black man will become blindly enraged at the thought of losing a White woman. That with no further regard, would kill her, the mother of his children and then throw the incriminating glove into his own back yard and his blood splattered socks onto his pristine bedroom rug.

Something is wrong with that picture.

[tv]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

I wasn't trying to.

The tragedy,to me,appears to be a predetermined belief that America is manipulable given an embarrassingly simplistic theory that a Black man will become blindly enraged at the thought of losing a White woman. That with no further regard, would kill her, the mother of his children and then throw the incriminating glove into his own back yard and his blood splattered socks onto his pristine bedroom rug.

Something is wrong with that picture.

The only time I even think about OJ Simpson being black is when someone like you mentions it. This case is about a man, who happens to be a celebrity, becoming enraged enough to kill his ex-wife and her friend while his children slept close by.

Believe it or not, white people don't get up every morning thinking of how they can frame an innocent black person for a crime they didn't commit. OJ Simpson isn't the only person, black or white, to gain attention in this way.

OJ Simpson was once a beloved athlete and celebrity. We felt we knew him personally due to his charismatic personality and his appearances in movies and commericials. McVeigh was a reviled person, Spector is weird, Osama is an evil terrorist. OJ Simpson was one of us, a beloved and talented icon at one time in this country. I'm sorry to tell you that I have no subliminal fascination with race. I believe you are the one that is fixated on race.

Shatner? As in William Shatner? Am I missing something?

[tv]

Originally Posted by socaldiva

I don't think race has anything to do with it

It doesn't. It's just another attempt at blaming others for the misfortune that OJ Simpson has brought to his own life and the lives of so many around him.

Wasn't a race thread removed from this board some time before I joined? If that's the case I think I'll shut up now.

[Nickclone]

To think this isn't about race is assanine! The trial had nothing to do with it, OJ was all over the news before the trial or even his arrest. He was painted a villain by the media and whites ate it all up. The police also did everything in their power to make him guilty instead of finding the guilty party...did they even have any other suspects?

I don't think he was framed for the murders, I honestly believe OJ and the police had nothing to do with the deaths. However, I do think that the LAPD went out of their way to make Simpson guilty.

[weezer]

Originally Posted by Nickclone

To think this isn't about race is assanine! The trial had nothing to do with it, OJ was all over the news before the trial or even his arrest. He was painted a villain by the media and whites ate it all up. The police also did everything in their power to make him guilty instead of finding the guilty party...did they even have any other suspects?

I don't think he was framed for the murders, I honestly believe OJ and the police had nothing to do with the deaths. However, I do think that the LAPD went out of their way to make Simpson guilty.

oh my --

[Bailey Boys]

Originally Posted by Nickclone

To think this isn't about race is assanine! The trial had nothing to do with it, OJ was all over the news before the trial or even his arrest. He was painted a villain by the media and whites ate it all up. The police also did everything in their power to make him guilty instead of finding the guilty party...did they even have any other suspects?

I don't think he was framed for the murders, I honestly believe OJ and the police had nothing to do with the deaths. However, I do think that the LAPD went out of their way to make Simpson guilty.

Wow! Don't think I'm in Kanasa no more..

[martin II]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

The answer to that is no. You can't make OJ Simpson out to be the tragic hero of a Shakespearian-style drama. He's simply a thug with money.

Race was only made an issue in the criminal trial because that was the only way to defend OJ Simpson with any hope of success. Celebrity and class issues were much more relevant to the murders and subsequent trial.

tv
i believe race became a issue for the Armerican public before Furhman and the tapes.The tapes just added to the issue of race for some.

I point again to the cnn polls BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED which showed about 85% of whites believed he was guilty.
This belief came from someplace other than trial testimony/evidence.
Why was this?

PS. The Phil Spector case was just as horrible of death for that woman as the nicole's murder. Wonder why that case did not receive the 24/7 coverage that oj's case did by the media? Now His jury seems to be deadlocked and there may be a mistrial. Wonder why the media has decided from the beginning that this case did not warrant the same coverage as oj?

There must be a reason. right?

martin II

[martin II]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

It doesn't. It's just another attempt at blaming others for the misfortune that OJ Simpson has brought to his own life and the lives of so many around him.

Wasn't a race thread removed from this board some time before I joined? If that's the case I think I'll shut up now.

tv
there was a thread called something like "RACE IN THE CJS" it was set up because race was discussed on other threads. It stayed up for some time but some posters complained about it and the moderator deleted it for some reason. It seems that some decided that race was not a problem in the cjs.

imo

martin II

[martin II]

TV

Here is a comment on the issue.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ews/dyson.html

Many white people believed: "Look, we're going to show you that we are trusting, and we have reached a high plateau in race relations. We're going to treat O.J. like we treat any other white person in America. If he's guilty, we're going to send him to jail; if he's innocent, we'll let him go." So he was the ideal person to bring out these contrasting viewpoints, but it all broke down.

Broke down how?

Well, it broke down because O.J. refused to follow suit, and black America refused to follow the script, and white America then saw that all bets were off.

O.J. refused to follow through because he claimed his blackness again in a way that was troubling to many white Americans: "Wait a minute, O.J. You haven't talked about blackness in our circles for years, indeed for decades. You've never made us feel uncomfortable about the issue of race. All of a sudden now you're claiming your allegiance to black people. You're identifying publicly with black people."

Black people themselves had to squeeze and squirm. They had to re-inscribe O.J. into the black narrative. They had to baptize him again into the community; they had to accept him. Black people are typically, if you're willing to say you're sorry, always [willing to welcome you back] with open arms: "Come on back home, Michael Jackson. Come on back home, Kobe Bryant. Come on back home, O.J. Simpson."

And then white America said: "Well, wait a minute. We had granted you honorary status, which means you have to play by our rules. You have to accept the reality that race doesn't exist. But now you're saying it exists. You have to accept the reality that race no longer is hugely significant, and it no longer rules America. But now you're saying it does. Well, if you say it does, then we're going to go back to our ways as well." All bets were off with O.J.'s acquittal.

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by tvdinner

The only time I even think about OJ Simpson being black is when someone like you mentions it.

TV, that's a good line, but very difficult to believe given the psychic images promulgated of Black males today in the media, albeit many don't help their own cause by doing something stupid to place themselves in the bullseye. I can't put my finger on one Black male celebrity immediately that has not become the preoccupation of the media for some act of negativity. I would think that the flood of negativity would have a subliminal effect on most people as to their predetermined disposition regarding Black males.

It appears that the media writers can't avoid the titillation of being voyeurs on Black male celebrities' activities. I admit, I am curious as to the imbalance. With all of the dysfunctional White folk in America, with an 8:1 ratio over Blacks, you mean to tell me that no one is worthy of excoriation by the media on a regular basis.

Shatner? As in William Shatner? Am I missing something?

TV, I mentioned Shatner because there was never any question raised as to other possible causes of his wife's death. What was offered, in the midst of Shatner's tears, was unquestionably accepted. Its my personal bias but he has always appeared to me to be an unusual character since his weight and nose ballooned over his post Star Trek years. I wouldn't be surprised if alcohol has played a significant role in his life, as it was lleged to have been in the life of his deceased wife.

Your argument that subliminal messaging doesn't impact you in the Simpson matter is also unbelievable. A great many people in this country could not give you the name of the guy who bombed the OKLA City Federal Bldg. And most couldn't tell you the name of his co-defendant who received the same sentence as the now deceased perpetrator received. But let the TV display a White Bronco cruising along! And guess what!

[Kate Sachel]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

I wasn't trying to.

The tragedy,to me,appears to be a predetermined belief that America is manipulable given an embarrassingly simplistic theory that a Black man will become blindly enraged at the thought of losing a White woman. That with no further regard, would kill her, the mother of his children and then throw the incriminating glove into his own back yard and his blood splattered socks onto his pristine bedroom rug.

Something is wrong with that picture.

The reality is that women lose their lives everyday in America as a result of men who become blindly enraged at the thought of losing them.

What I find embarassing is the fact that so many people routinely ignore that fact.

Kate

[weezer]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

TV, that's a good line, but very difficult to believe given the psychic images promulgated of Black males today in the media, albeit many don't help their own cause by doing something stupid to place themselves in the bullseye. I can't put my finger on one Black male celebrity immediately that has not become the preoccupation of the media for some act of negativity. I would think that the flood of negativity would have a subliminal effect on most people as to their predetermined disposition regarding Black males.

It appears that the media writers can't avoid the titillation of being voyeurs on Black male celebrities' activities. I admit, I am curious as to the imbalance. With all of the dysfunctional White folk in America, with an 8:1 ratio over Blacks, you mean to tell me that no one is worthy of excoriation by the media on a regular basis.



TV, I mentioned Shatner because there was never any question raised as to other possible causes of his wife's death. What was offered, in the midst of Shatner's tears, was unquestionably accepted. Its my personal bias but he has always appeared to me to be an unusual character since his weight and nose ballooned over his post Star Trek years. I wouldn't be surprised if alcohol has played a significant role in his life, as it was lleged to have been in the life of his deceased wife.

Your argument that subliminal messaging doesn't impact you in the Simpson matter is also unbelievable. A great many people in this country could not give you the name of the guy who bombed the OKLA City Federal Bldg. And most couldn't tell you the name of his co-defendant who received the same sentence as the now deceased perpetrator received. But let the TV display a White Bronco cruising along! And guess what!

Dude -- you need to back away from the keyboard!

[Kate Sachel]

Originally Posted by Nickclone

To think this isn't about race is assanine! The trial had nothing to do with it, OJ was all over the news before the trial or even his arrest. He was painted a villain by the media and whites ate it all up. The police also did everything in their power to make him guilty instead of finding the guilty party...did they even have any other suspects?

I don't think he was framed for the murders, I honestly believe OJ and the police had nothing to do with the deaths. However, I do think that the LAPD went out of their way to make Simpson guilty.

I suppose if anyone else's blood had been found at the scene they may have had other suspects. I suppose if someone other than Simpson had threatened her days prior to her death they may have had other suspects. I suppose if someone other than Simpson had beaten her previously they may have had other suspects.

If you don't believe that he was framed, then you believe that his blood was on Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, then you believe his blood was all over the crime scene, then you believe Ron and Nicole's blood was in his Bronco, then you believe that Nicole's blood was on his socks in his bedroom, then you believe that the "murder glove" was on his property, etc. And if you believe all of that then how can you tell me that you find OJ innocent?

Kate

[tv]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

Dude -- you need to back away from the keyboard!

Yes, he needs to back away very slowly! He's managed to drag William Shatner into this. Amazing.

[tv]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

Dude -- you need to back away from the keyboard!

He needs to back away very slowly. I don't know how he's made this leap from OJ Simpson to William Shatner. It's scary. I think it's all about taking the attention off of Simpson's guilt with nonsense.

[tv]

Originally Posted by Kate Sachel

I suppose if anyone else's blood had been found at the scene they may have had other suspects. I suppose if someone other than Simpson had threatened her days prior to her death they may have had other suspects. I suppose if someone other than Simpson had beaten her previously they may have had other suspects.

If you don't believe that he was framed, then you believe that his blood was on Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, then you believe his blood was all over the crime scene, then you believe Ron and Nicole's blood was in his Bronco, then you believe that Nicole's blood was on his socks in his bedroom, then you believe that the "murder glove" was on his property, etc. And if you believe all of that then how can you tell me that you find OJ innocent?

Kate

I'm really interested in Nicklone's answer. I don't see how you can have it both ways.

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by Kate Sachel

The reality is that women lose their lives everyday in America as a result of men who become blindly enraged at the thought of losing them.

What I find embarassing is the fact that so many people routinely ignore that fact.

Kate

You are absolutely right, Kate, except that in this case, strangely, there is so much contradictory evidence that was surrepticiously concealed from the jury and now you, the general public. That's the problem that I have with this case versus other similiar cases for which you speak. This case seems to have been intentionally manipulated to create the resulting outcome, i.e. this prolonged debate.

[Kate Sachel]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

You are absolutely right, Kate, except that in this case, strangely, there is so much contradictory evidence that was surrepticiously concealed from the jury and now you, the general public. That's the problem that I have with this case versus other similiar cases for which you speak. This case seems to have been intentionally manipulated to create the resulting outcome, i.e. this prolonged debate.

The resulting outcome is from, I believe, individuals who have a tendency to overlook the actual simplicity to purposely turn it into a forum of racial hatred.

Kate

[Heyes]

Originally Posted by Kate Sachel

The resulting outcome is from, I believe, individuals who have a tendency to overlook the actual simplicity to purposely turn it into a forum of racial hatred.

Kate

Yup I'm with TVdinner, He's just a thug with money!
AND....... Why do these posters assume that all of us that believe this thug needs to be locked up are white? Dude needs a reality check!

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by Kate Sachel

The resulting outcome is from, I believe, individuals who have a tendency to overlook the actual simplicity to purposely turn it into a forum of racial hatred.

Kate

If the issue of suppressed and concealed evidence were not involved, I don't think that you would have the perception of racial animus as your apparent sense of paranoia appears to suggest. The fact that you have concluded, with very sketchy evidence, that racial hatred is a motive here, appears to strongly affirm your limitation to comprehend what has possibly been orchestrated intentionally to bring you to such conclusions relative to this OJ matter.

My thread was entitled "Othellean Syndrome" and I believe, not unlike Dominic Dunne, in his Vanity Fair article, that this whole affair has the appearance of a Shakespearean fictional plot. That is, however, about as much as we do mutually agree upon, but nevertheless, it is a start.

I'm certainly not blinded by a perception that a Black man has been wrongly accused. Nor do I have any reservation about the fact that Black men, as well as White, are involved in domestic abuse. For me, it would be a simple matter of fact, if so much of the crucial evidence was not in conflict with itself. However, it so happens that it is, and that makes your leap to conclusions based upon non-related events ever more troubling when examining the psychological well being of basic logic in greater Americana, today.

[socaldiva]

Originally Posted by Kate Sachel

The resulting outcome is from, I believe, individuals who have a tendency to overlook the actual simplicity to purposely turn it into a forum of racial hatred.

Kate

I couldn't agree with you more

Hopefully this thread will sink down to the bottom soon & then disappear....

[WarmNCozy]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

I often wonder, was Shakespeare keenly aware of a delicate issue of race, and racial politique, during the 16th and early 17th century England to know the impact that a fictional account of a victorious Black general, and his alleged fatal, yet fanatical infatuation with a White woman would have on that general population.

Further, would his contemporaries of today's America intentionally promulgate a similiar tale, knowing the proclivity of the masses to become enveloped, again, in fascination and debate of a purely fabricated saga, namely "The Trial of the Century" as a result of a similiar racial politique.

In other words is racial politique the common denominator in both eras, then and now?

The plot in Shakespeare's play, Othello, does not resemble "The Trial of the Century" in my opinion. OJ and Nicole were finished with each other romantically. Othello's actions were predicated by the tormenting by his so called friend about her loyalty and virtue.

[WarmNCozy]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

Why this great fascination with everything Simpson? A star well past his shining glory. How did he deserve 12 months of hour by hour coverage?
Spector didn't! McVeigh didn't! Blake didn't! Shatner didn't! Even Osama didn't. Only O.J., and that is a fascinating observation to people around the world, a society preoccupied with one man.

It's almost like OJ gives America that needed boost to get back in the fight when facing a losing battle. "If we can't win here, pull out OJ. If we can't win there, pull out OJ."


I think that our shyness prevents us from examining the reality that it is this subliminal fascination with race that has brought us to this point.

Race? What has race to do with the fascination of OJ? Do you remember the OJ before all of this? First of all his rise from nothing to a super star on the football field, Hall of Fame, Heismann Trophy. Then the Hertz commercials, orange juice commercials, and playing a totally ridiculous character in the Naked Gun series! He always had a smile on his face before and after the trial. People liked him a lot! And a great many still do!

He must have gotten slammed in the head too many times on the football field to get involved in this latest fiasco!

[socaldiva]

Originally Posted by WarmNCozy

*snip*
People liked him a lot! And a great many still do!

Ted Bundy, Charles Manson & Scott Peterson got/get marriage proposals! but the vast majority despise them for the killers they are (Simpson included).

[WarmNCozy]

Originally Posted by socaldiva

Ted Bundy, Charles Manson & Scott Peterson got/get marriage proposals! but the vast majority despise them for the killers they are (Simpson included).

Simpson didn't kill anyone! Where do you get all that from?

[socaldiva]

Originally Posted by WarmNCozy

Simpson didn't kill anyone! Where do you get all that from?

I think it was the murder scene, where Orenthal left his blood, glove, hat & fibers

[WarmNCozy]

Originally Posted by socaldiva

I think it was the murder scene, where Orenthal left his blood, glove, hat & fibers

read http://www.wagnerandson.com

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by WarmNCozy

The plot in Shakespeare's play, Othello, does not resemble "The Trial of the Century" in my opinion. OJ and Nicole were finished with each other romantically. Othello's actions were predicated on the tormenting by his so called friend about her loyalty and virtue.

In other words, the fictional Moor's actions were predicated on the lies that were told, by Iago, taking advantage of his knowledge of the Moor's weakness, his fanatical infatuation with Desdemona, by implying that her fidelity towards Othello was no longer there.

It is a fact, that the argument that the (Iago) prosecution used, to befuddle the American public, was based upon an alleged fanatical infatuation on the part of Simpson with his wife Nicole, as the basis for the ferocity of this unbridled brutish and fatal attack.

The purveyors of deception knew the proclivity of the American insatiable appetite for voyeurism, as did Shakespeare the European, that the interest in what would normally be a mundane story is heightened by the cross cultural affiliation between two historically diametrically perceived races. In regard to America, it has deepened the curiosity, while reinforcing the apparent false indictment against O.J. Simpson.

This story, as told by the (Iagos) of the prosecution and abbetted by electronic media, would stand if not for certain salient observtions that appear to have been, intentionally concealed and suppressed by officers of the court and/or abscounded with by minions of deceit from O.J. Simpson's criminal file.

[WarmNCozy]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

It is a fact, that the argument that the (Iago) prosecution used, to befuddle the American public, was based upon an alleged fanatical infatuation on the part of Simpson with his wife Nicole, as the basis for the ferocity of this unbridled brutish and fatal attack.

Oh, please! Do you not remember IBM's Motto -- KISS -- Keep it simple stupid!

Brutish and fatal attack????? The guy is innocent!

Why are you playing the race card?

[Heyes]

Originally Posted by socaldiva

Ted Bundy, Charles Manson & Scott Peterson got/get marriage proposals! but the vast majority despise them for the killers they are (Simpson included).

Well as you witnessed today at the press conference that lasted longer than the hearing.
We got to see first hand the killers "fans".
There were chicken suits and wingnuts.
Need I say more?

[socaldiva]

Originally Posted by Heyes

Well as you witnessed today at the press conference that lasted longer than the hearing.
We got to see first hand the killers "fans".
There were chicken suits and wingnuts.
Need I say more?

Yes, I saw some of his "fans". They seemed to be as unbalanced as he is. Big surprise.

[Heyes]

Originally Posted by socaldiva

Yes, I saw some of his "fans". They seemed to be as unbalanced as he is. Big surprise.

Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

The guy that was Yales little buddy,( give me five dude),
now that was hysterical. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

[socaldiva]

Originally Posted by Heyes

Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

The guy that was Yales little buddy,( give me five dude),
now that was hysterical. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Yeah, the high five dude that was blowing bubbles with his gum seemed to be missing a few teeth as well. What a fanbase

Did anyone else see Galanter blow a fuse last night with Greta? He's getting to be just as arrogant & nasty as Orenthal. He actually said "Is there any human being on this planet that doesn't know I'm OJ's lawyer"?

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by WarmNCozy

Oh, please! Do you not remember IBM's Motto -- KISS -- Keep it simple stupid!

Brutish and fatal attack????? The guy is innocent!

Why are you playing the race card?

What race card are you speaking of? I need to better understand your pressumption. I certainly have not intended to disturb anyone's delicate sensitivity relative to race, but to ignore the possibility that it was a factor in promulgating this judicial chirade would, in my opinion, be unrealistic.

I started this thread to hopefully explore deeper into this convoluted preoccupation that has even the most powerful media institutions, probably in the world, so preoccupied with this man, OJ Simpson, to the extent that its' coverage overshadows every other major news worthy event.

My position is well known, and only creates a standoff, that:

1.) The actual phone records, if ever produced, will undoubtedly place Simpson in the airport or on a plane when his wife was alive talking on an 11:00 PM phone call with her mother.

2.) There were other mitigating issues that should have been explored and divulged relative to this case, namely Ron Goldman's extensive criminal record, and its protection under Cal. Gov't Code Sec. 6254, "The Confidential Informant or Snitch Protection" law, and its' implication relative to this case.

3.) The apparent cover up by FBI agents regarding their stated knowledge of a common shoe sole found on 19 different brands of shoes besides the brand, Bruno Magli, that they allege created the bloody shoeprints at Bundy.

In short the American media fascination with OJ Simpson appears to suck all of the oxygen out of the news atmosphere. I am exploring with fascination the reasons why. If you want to KISS, there are several other threads that it appears do just that, and would likely accomodate your wishes.

I would advise that you go there, if this one is too heavy for you to appreciate.

[Kate Sachel]

Originally Posted by Big Ben

If the issue of suppressed and concealed evidence were not involved, I don't think that you would have the perception of racial animus as your apparent sense of paranoia appears to suggest. The fact that you have concluded, with very sketchy evidence, that racial hatred is a motive here, appears to strongly affirm your limitation to comprehend what has possibly been orchestrated intentionally to bring you to such conclusions relative to this OJ matter.

My thread was entitled "Othellean Syndrome" and I believe, not unlike Dominic Dunne, in his Vanity Fair article, that this whole affair has the appearance of a Shakespearean fictional plot. That is, however, about as much as we do mutually agree upon, but nevertheless, it is a start.

I'm certainly not blinded by a perception that a Black man has been wrongly accused. Nor do I have any reservation about the fact that Black men, as well as White, are involved in domestic abuse. For me, it would be a simple matter of fact, if so much of the crucial evidence was not in conflict with itself. However, it so happens that it is, and that makes your leap to conclusions based upon non-related events ever more troubling when examining the psychological well being of basic logic in greater Americana, today.

I appear to have a sense of paranoia because I believe that race was injected unfairly into a scenario that's as simple and as old as time? I think you're trying to make a circle fit into a square and I believe that appears to strongly affirm your limitation to comprehend the fact that this case garners such strong opinions and debates because of the fact that many feel that justice was not served in one of the worst ways possible, which is 12 people attempting to even the scales of racial wrongs that have occurred since the beginning of time.

Kate

[Big Ben]

Originally Posted by Kate Sachel

I appear to have a sense of paranoia because I believe that race was injected unfairly into a scenario that's as simple and as old as time? I think you're trying to make a circle fit into a square and I believe that appears to strongly affirm your limitation to comprehend the fact that this case garners such strong opinions and debates because of the fact that many feel that justice was not served in one of the worst ways possible, which is 12 people attempting to even the scales of racial wrongs that have occurred since the beginning of time.

Kate

Kate,

What is "as simple and as old as time"?

What jurors, which I assume that you are talking about, expressed to you or anyone else that they "were attempting to even the scales of racial wrongs that have occurred since the beginning of time?"

It appears that justice was intentionally usurped, to produce this very outcome of animosity, through intentional malfeasance based upon the conclusions that we have derived from the investigation that I have been deeply involved with.