Lie Detector Test

[TopGunner]

I know, I know.....so obvious, but this is a formal invite for the NG's to explain why ISP would not take a lie detector test from the very beginning, and why he LIED and why his mother LIED on national TV about it. I've never heard a NG explain this one. Keep in mind, Amber, Brent and Amy all took one immediately. So did whats-her-name, Servas?

[cookiewench]

Originally Posted by TopGunner

I know, I know.....so obvious, but this is a formal invite for the NG's to explain why ISP would not take a lie detector test from the very beginning, and why he LIED and why his mother LIED on national TV about it. I've never heard a NG explain this one. Keep in mind, Amber, Brent and Amy all took one immediately. So did whats-her-name, Servas?

Yep. He could have gotten his story straight, at least. He told the neighbor and his parents that he offered to take one but LE didn't want him to. He told Sharon that he was going to take it, I believe, and other people that his attorney had told him not to take it.

[accordn2me]

Didn't he go to take it but he saw Amber there...about to take or having already taken one...so he left?

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

Yep. He could have gotten his story straight, at least. He told the neighbor and his parents that he offered to take one but LE didn't want him to. He told Sharon that he was going to take it, I believe, and other people that his attorney had told him not to take it.

That's our Scott. Consistently inconsistent.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by accordn2me

Didn't he go to take it but he saw Amber there...about to take or having already taken one...so he left?

I believe Amber was supposed to go with him. He saw Broccchini in the area and did not go. I guess he needed Amber to hold his hand

[TopGunner]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

Yep. He could have gotten his story straight, at least. He told the neighbor and his parents that he offered to take one but LE didn't want him to. He told Sharon that he was going to take it, I believe, and other people that his attorney had told him not to take it.

I thought he told someone that the LE said he was "to emotional" to take one, and another time he said "to much time has passed...". Hard to keep up with the boy, ain't it?

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by TopGunner

I know, I know.....so obvious, but this is a formal invite for the NG's to explain why ISP would not take a lie detector test from the very beginning, and why he LIED and why his mother LIED on national TV about it. I've never heard a NG explain this one. Keep in mind, Amber, Brent and Amy all took one immediately. So did whats-her-name, Servas?

Why on earth would Karen Servas need to take a lie detector test?

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

Why on earth would Karen Servas need to take a lie detector test?

I doubt it occurred. Servas was never suspected of any crime, nor were there any suspicions she wasn't telling the truth... unless you are one of those pretending that Scott is innocent.

I believe Amber only took the test to alleviate the police concern that she might be complicit in the murder of Laci..

[cookiewench]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

I believe Amber was supposed to go with him. He saw Broccchini in the area and did not go. I guess he needed Amber to hold his hand

Wasn't he supposed to meet Amber there that day? I never believe he intended to take that test. I thought it was just an opportunity for him (he hoped) to see Amber in person again, and then charm her away from the building for a tryst.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

Why on earth would Karen Servas need to take a lie detector test?

Did everyone believe her?

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Sturgeon_Moon

Did everyone believe her?

The police and prosecutors never doubted her.. Why should they? She wasn't a part of this tawdry mess. Only those who needed to discredit her to win an acquittal for Scott had reason to disbelieve her.. Servas unwittingly found herself in the line of fire..

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

Wasn't he supposed to meet Amber there that day? I never believe he intended to take that test. I thought it was just an opportunity for him (he hoped) to see Amber in person again, and then charm her away from the building for a tryst.

I think you are correct, cookie. I think he would have done anything to see Amber again. He much preferred the "skinny blonde" to the "fat brunette" which is very obvious

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

I think you are correct, cookie. I think he would have done anything to see Amber again. He much preferred the "skinny blonde" to the "fat brunette" which is very obvious

I like fat brunettes.

[lilmiss1960]

You seem to forget that he was willing to take one in the beginning, Brocchini could have had it set up with in 30 minutes.
Later, Peterson was going to take one and Amber was suppose to go with him. She never showed up. Instead of Amber showing up, Brocchini showed up. Peterson had every right to cancel it after that. I would have canceled it if it had been me.
Det. B knew Peterson went there to take the LDT, so how about if you explaine why did he have to follow Peterson that? Why didn't he just wait until Peterson handed in the results? If Broccini had left Peterson alone, if he had waited, he would have gotten the results. If he didn't get it from Peterson, then all he had to do was get another warrant to get a copy of the results.
Face it, Brocchini screwed up.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

You seem to forget that he was willing to take one in the beginning

Says who...

[cookiewench]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

You seem to forget that he was willing to take one in the beginning, Brocchini could have had it set up with in 30 minutes.
Later, Peterson was going to take one and Amber was suppose to go with him. She never showed up. Instead of Amber showing up, Brocchini showed up. Peterson had every right to cancel it after that. I would have canceled it if it had been me.
Det. B knew Peterson went there to take the LDT, so how about if you explaine why did he have to follow Peterson that? Why didn't he just wait until Peterson handed in the results? If Broccini had left Peterson alone, if he had waited, he would have gotten the results. If he didn't get it from Peterson, then all he had to do was get another warrant to get a copy of the results.
Face it, Brocchini screwed up.

How do you know they could have set it up in 30 minutes?

We're not talking about legal "rights" here, we're talking about moral rights and guilt.

It shouldn't have mattered who showed up. If Scott wanted them to start looking in other directions, he should have taken one. There's only one real reason why he wouldn't - and that's because he knew he would fail.

Why should everyone have tippytoed around Scott, when all the other family members had taken the test immediately?

The test arranged with Amber was about a month after Laci's disappearance. What kind of man will refuse to take an LE lie detector test to help in the investigation of his wife's disappearance, but will promise to take one in order to get a piece of a**?

All that incident does is show how important Amber really was to him.

He wouldn't take the test for Laci, but he would take it for Amber.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

What kind of man will refuse to take an LE lie detector test to help in the investigation of his wife's disappearance, but will promise to take one in order to get a piece of a**?

A grand prize winner!!! Now, here's a poster that understands what Scott was really doing...

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

You seem to forget that he was willing to take one in the beginning, Brocchini could have had it set up with in 30 minutes.
Later, Peterson was going to take one and Amber was suppose to go with him. She never showed up. Instead of Amber showing up, Brocchini showed up. Peterson had every right to cancel it after that. I would have canceled it if it had been me.
Det. B knew Peterson went there to take the LDT, so how about if you explaine why did he have to follow Peterson that? Why didn't he just wait until Peterson handed in the results? If Broccini had left Peterson alone, if he had waited, he would have gotten the results. If he didn't get it from Peterson, then all he had to do was get another warrant to get a copy of the results.
Face it, Brocchini screwed up.

Where are your sources for all of these "facts"???

[cookiewench]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

A grand prize winner!!! Now, here's a poster that understands what Scott was really doing...

What's almost as amazing as Scott's twisted behavior is how some people try to excuse it and rationalize it as normal.

[Riviera]

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[lilmiss1960]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

How do you know they could have set it up in 30 minutes?

We're not talking about legal "rights" here, we're talking about moral rights and guilt.

It shouldn't have mattered who showed up. If Scott wanted them to start looking in other directions, he should have taken one. There's only one real reason why he wouldn't - and that's because he knew he would fail.

Why should everyone have tippytoed around Scott, when all the other family members had taken the test immediately?

The test arranged with Amber was about a month after Laci's disappearance. What kind of man will refuse to take an LE lie detector test to help in the investigation of his wife's disappearance, but will promise to take one in order to get a piece of a**?

All that incident does is show how important Amber really was to him.

He wouldn't take the test for Laci, but he would take it for Amber.

Just to show you it doesn't take that long to set it up, I shortened this up so it wouldn't be too long and just copied what I needed to prove my point:

When I called , the Dispatcher, David Lincoln informed me that I had been ordered by the Sheriff to return to the office right away. When I arrived at my office the Sheriff greeted me along with the Chief of Police from Auburn, NH. He said they were bringing in a guy named Ernest Therrien who agreed to submit to a polygraph test in connection with the missing Messina girl.

I headed right for my polygraph suite and set up for the test. Shortly thereafter I was introduced to Ernest Therrien. After completing a very lenghty pre-test interview which included his consent to be examined, the admonishment of his rights, and the development and review of his question list he was linked to my polygraph instrument.

http://www.polygraphplace.com/storie...al/messina.htm

[I'mSun]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

Just to show you it doesn't take that long to set it up, I shortened this up so it wouldn't be too long and just copied what I needed to prove my point:

When I called , the Dispatcher, David Lincoln informed me that I had been ordered by the Sheriff to return to the office right away. When I arrived at my office the Sheriff greeted me along with the Chief of Police from Auburn, NH. He said they were bringing in a guy named Ernest Therrien who agreed to submit to a polygraph test in connection with the missing Messina girl.

I headed right for my polygraph suite and set up for the test. Shortly thereafter I was introduced to Ernest Therrien. After completing a very lenghty pre-test interview which included his consent to be examined, the admonishment of his rights, and the development and review of his question list he was linked to my polygraph instrument. http://www.polygraphplace.com/storie...al/messina.htm

I don't see how this proves your point. What you referenced is from another state and does not take place on a major holiday. Do you know the difference in state laws regarding administering polygraph tests?

[I'mSun]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

What's almost as amazing as Scott's twisted behavior is how some people try to excuse it and rationalize it as normal.

ITA, I guess it just depends on your frame of reference.

[TopGunner]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

You seem to forget that he was willing to take one in the beginning, Brocchini could have had it set up with in 30 minutes.
Later, Peterson was going to take one and Amber was suppose to go with him. She never showed up. Instead of Amber showing up, Brocchini showed up. Peterson had every right to cancel it after that. I would have canceled it if it had been me.
Det. B knew Peterson went there to take the LDT, so how about if you explaine why did he have to follow Peterson that? Why didn't he just wait until Peterson handed in the results? If Broccini had left Peterson alone, if he had waited, he would have gotten the results. If he didn't get it from Peterson, then all he had to do was get another warrant to get a copy of the results.
Face it, Brocchini screwed up.

Hey lilmiss, you got a link to show Califorina Law's time limit to take a lie detector test "or else"?

I'd also LOVE to know why you think it was an intelligent move on ISP part to refuse to take one because Brochinni didn't produce in 30 minutes.

I feel pretty confident that 99.9% of the human population would take one, in any time frame...IF they were innocent, because it would keep them off death row. But then, I can see where one's pride might get in the way...

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by TopGunner

Hey lilmiss, you got a link to show Califorina Law's time limit to take a lie detector test "or else"?

I'd also LOVE to know why you think it was an intelligent move on ISP part to refuse to take one because Brochinni didn't produce in 30 minutes.

I feel pretty confident that 99.9% of the human population would take one, in any time frame...IF they were innocent, because it would keep them off death row. But then, I can see where one's pride might get in the way...

I feel pretty confident that nowhere near 99.9% of the human population would take one.

[Luke Davis]

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[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I feel pretty confident that nowhere near 99.9% of the human population would take one.

If you were in Scott's shoes, would you have taken one?

If you were in Geragos' shoes (the shoes he was wearing after his head was turned around), would you have advised Scott to take one?

Would you be interested in a spontaneous polygraph of Scott today?

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

You seem to forget that he was willing to take one in the beginning, Brocchini could have had it set up with in 30 minutes.
Later, Peterson was going to take one and Amber was suppose to go with him. She never showed up. Instead of Amber showing up, Brocchini showed up. Peterson had every right to cancel it after that. I would have canceled it if it had been me.
Det. B knew Peterson went there to take the LDT, so how about if you explaine why did he have to follow Peterson that? Why didn't he just wait until Peterson handed in the results? If Broccini had left Peterson alone, if he had waited, he would have gotten the results. If he didn't get it from Peterson, then all he had to do was get another warrant to get a copy of the results.
Face it, Brocchini screwed up.

You have no way of knowing any of this. Testimony that even mentions a lie detector test is disallowed and was redacted from the interview tapes that were shown to the jury.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

If you were in Scott's shoes, would you have taken one?

If you were in Geragos' shoes (the shoes he was wearing after his head was turned around), would you have advised Scott to take one?

Would you be interested in a spontaneous polygraph of Scott today?

No.
No.
No.

[accordn2me]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

If you were in Scott's shoes, would you have taken one?

If you were in Geragos' shoes (the shoes he was wearing after his head was turned around), would you have advised Scott to take one?

Would you be interested in a spontaneous polygraph of Scott today?

Yes

no

Yes!


You tricked me with the first question, frydaddy! Of course a guilty SLP would not take a lie detector test! DUH!

[JustMyOpinion]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

You seem to forget that he was willing to take one in the beginning, Brocchini could have had it set up with in 30 minutes.
Face it, Brocchini screwed up.

I think it's accurate to say that Scott told Brocchini he would be willing to take a polygraph, I don't think there's any evidence "Brocchini could have had it set up with in 30 minutes", do you have a source for this? TIA. It was early morning hours of Xmas Day, do you know for a fact there was a department polygrapher available? I disagree Brocchini "screwed up". Polygraph is an investigative tool, and there would be a presumption by an experienced detective that Scott might be too fatigued & stressed at that time to be subjected to polygraph examination, IMO. Why do you believe Scott refused to submit the next day?

[cookiewench]

I have never heard of someone being asked to take a polygraph test on the very evening that the victim went missing.....while all of the attention is focused on a frantic effort to find the victim...and before it's 100% a missing person case. It's just not done. Scott was supposed to be in a hurry to get back with the rest of the family and continue with the search......which of course, we know he didn't do. He went back to the warehouse to do more cleanup after he left the station that night - while the rest of the family were gathered and still searching.

[TopGunner]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I feel pretty confident that nowhere near 99.9% of the human population would take one.

I'm talking about INNOCENT people Luke, my bad.

[lilmiss1960]

Originally Posted by Just Peachy

Says who? Gotta link? Brocchini set up a lie detector test in the middle of the night? Pure fantasy to believe that. If you are going to chime in, please have your facts right. Thanks. It doesn't do you any good by posting lies. Face it; Brocchini did a fantastic job. From a lay person such as yourself, what gives you the right to say he "screwed up"? What credentials do you have? FACT: It was Scott who screwed up. Did you not follow the case or just make it up as you go along after 5 yrs? What you posted is pure MUMBO JUMBO.

imo

BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Sure.
BROCCHINI: So what you’re telling me, Scott, is there no, you have no idea where Laci is?
SCOTT: None.
BROCCHINI: The only, just to eliminate you as a suspect you’d be willing to take…
SCOTT: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Yeah…They’re accurate, right?
BROCCHINI: Yeah, yeah, I mean I, it’s not nothing that can be used against you, but yeah, I believe
they’re accurate.
SCOTT: No, I’m certainly willing.
BROCCHINI: It wouldn’t be now, it’d be, ya know, in a day or two.
SCOTT: Now….
BROCCHINI: It’s just like the next step in this thing.
SCOTT: Sure.

http://www.scottisinnocent.com/Timelines/Brocchini's%20Interview/Peoples%2068A.htm

That is my proof that he was willing to take one.

Edit to add: It didn't show the previous quote. This is the proof that Peterson was willing to take a polygraph. Brocchini was willing to set it up with in a day or two.
Why didn't Brocchini set it up?

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Sure.
BROCCHINI: So what you’re telling me, Scott, is there no, you have no idea where Laci is?
SCOTT: None.
BROCCHINI: The only, just to eliminate you as a suspect you’d be willing to take…
SCOTT: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Yeah…They’re accurate, right?
BROCCHINI: Yeah, yeah, I mean I, it’s not nothing that can be used against you, but yeah, I believe
they’re accurate.
SCOTT: No, I’m certainly willing.
BROCCHINI: It wouldn’t be now, it’d be, ya know, in a day or two.
SCOTT: Now….
BROCCHINI: It’s just like the next step in this thing.
SCOTT: Sure.

http://www.scottisinnocent.com/Timelines/Brocchini's%20Interview/Peoples%2068A.htm

That is my proof that he was willing to take one.

So, Scott's word is proof to you? The pathetic liar of all time speaks and you believe him?

I wonder why he didn't get on the witness stand and answer all the questions then.. telling the truth like a man who has nothing to fear in doing so, instead of hiding behind his lawyer and the constitution. If I were accused of killing my family.. Id answer any question asked of me, truthfully and repeatedly..

But I guess you won't see the logic in that... will you?

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

So, Scott's word is proof to you? The pathetic liar of all time speaks and you believe him?

I wonder why he didn't get on the witness stand and answer all the questions then.. telling the truth like a man who has nothing to fear in doing so, instead of hiding behind his lawyer and the constitution. If I were accused of killing my family.. Id answer any question asked of me, truthfully and repeatedly..
But I guess you won't see the logic in that... will you?

I take it that is a rhetorical question, right?

[JustMyOpinion]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Sure.
BROCCHINI: So what you’re telling me, Scott, is there no, you have no idea where Laci is?
SCOTT: None.
BROCCHINI: The only, just to eliminate you as a suspect you’d be willing to take…
SCOTT: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Yeah…They’re accurate, right?
BROCCHINI: Yeah, yeah, I mean I, it’s not nothing that can be used against you, but yeah, I believe
they’re accurate.
SCOTT: No, I’m certainly willing.
BROCCHINI: It wouldn’t be now, it’d be, ya know, in a day or two.
SCOTT: Now….
BROCCHINI: It’s just like the next step in this thing.
SCOTT: Sure.

http://www.scottisinnocent.com/Timelines/Brocchini's%20Interview/Peoples%2068A.htm

That is my proof that he was willing to take one.

Edit to add: It didn't show the previous quote. This is the proof that Peterson was willing to take a polygraph. Brocchini was willing to set it up with in a day or two.
Why didn't Brocchini set it up?

It was set up, on Dec 25 with Doug Mansfield, but reportedly Scott declined to submit to the actual polygraph.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124897,00.html

[TopGunner]

Originally Posted by lilmiss1960

BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Sure.
BROCCHINI: So what you’re telling me, Scott, is there no, you have no idea where Laci is?
SCOTT: None.
BROCCHINI: The only, just to eliminate you as a suspect you’d be willing to take…
SCOTT: Yeah.
BROCCHINI: Would you be willing to take a polygraph?
SCOTT: Yeah…They’re accurate, right?
BROCCHINI: Yeah, yeah, I mean I, it’s not nothing that can be used against you, but yeah, I believe
they’re accurate.
SCOTT: No, I’m certainly willing.
BROCCHINI: It wouldn’t be now, it’d be, ya know, in a day or two.
SCOTT: Now….
BROCCHINI: It’s just like the next step in this thing.
SCOTT: Sure.

http://www.scottisinnocent.com/Timelines/Brocchini's%20Interview/Peoples%2068A.htm

That is my proof that he was willing to take one.

Edit to add: It didn't show the previous quote. This is the proof that Peterson was willing to take a polygraph. Brocchini was willing to set it up with in a day or two.
Why didn't Brocchini set it up?

This just confirms he was lying. Like he lied about everything. No surprise here.

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by JustMyOpinion

It was set up, on Dec 25 with Doug Mansfield, but reportedly Scott declined to submit to the actual polygraph.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124897,00.html

How do we know for sure that Scott declined to take the polygraph test?

Can you think of one reason a polygraph expert from the department of justice would interview Scott? an interview that took place the very next day after Brocchini asked Scott if he was willing to take a polygraph test and Scott agreed..

Mark Geragos: Now, the next day, about six hours, seven hours later, what time did, what time did you and Mansfield show up to interview him?
Craig Grogan: I showed up about 1:00 o'clock on the 25th.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And then specifically you and Officer Mansfield said that, or told him that you needed to familiarize yourself with the case. You introduced yourself as the lead investigator, basically; is that correct?
Craig Grogan: Yes, sir.
Mark Geragos: And you told Scott specifically that he did not have to participate in the interview, and he was free to leave; but that you would appreciate if he would assist in the investigation, correct?
Craig Grogan: That's all correct.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And he said he would stay, and he wanted to help, right?
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: Okay. Now, at that point you introduced, was it Detective Buehler? Do I pronounce that right, Buehler?
Craig Grogan: Detective Buehler was already there that day.
Mark Geragos: And specifically when you introduced him, was Mr. Mansfield from the Department of Justice there?
Craig Grogan: What I recall is, I had a conversation with Mr. Peterson, and that he left with Detective Buehler and Agent Mansfield. And I don't know if they were both standing next to me when I talked to him, or if it was just John Buehler.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by accordn2me

Yes

no

Yes!


You tricked me with the first question, frydaddy! Of course a guilty SLP would not take a lie detector test! DUH!

Sorry, wasn't an attempt to trick ya. I was just curious to know where Luke stood on polygraphs, but the question wasn't exclusive to him.

Personally, whatever discomfort I might have felt with the inaccuracy of them would have flown out the window pretty quickly if my wife were to disappear. It's a no brainer...Scott put himself first, before Laci and Conner. The devestation of losing my family would far exceed the potential of a false accusation.

If I were MG and truly believed Scott was innocent, I'd have advised him to take one. He could only have gained by taking it. Had he failed, he was already suspect numero uno, he couldn't have been any more of a suspect at that point. Had he passed, perhaps he might have gained some allies in the investigation. Besides, the failed test couldn't be used against him.

As for a poly now of Scott, perhaps they could do a pay-per-view to help with legal expenses and the continued investigation. Be a much better reality series than some of the garbage that's out there now. We could submit names of people we want to see take LDT's.