What About the Pizza Box

[Cadillakin]

Tell us about the significance of the pizza box on the counter on Dec 24th. (aha.. bet you were expecting a big ol post from me.. Fooled you!)

[cookiewench]

I don't know about the pizza box, but I think that the spilled Ranch dressing was very significant.

Laci was the one who used Ranch, and she wasn't the type to splash it all over the counter and leave it there.

I've always wondered if Scott didn't grab her from behind while she was standing there eating, or slip a rope around her neck from behind.

[Luke Davis]

Pizza

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

I don't know about the pizza box, but I think that the spilled Ranch dressing was very significant.

Laci was the one who used Ranch, and she wasn't the type to splash it all over the counter and leave it there.

I've always wondered if Scott didn't grab her from behind while she was standing there eating, or slip a rope around her neck from behind.

I thought he used a golf club.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

I don't know about the pizza box, but I think that the spilled Ranch dressing was very significant.

Laci was the one who used Ranch, and she wasn't the type to splash it all over the counter and leave it there.

I've always wondered if Scott didn't grab her from behind while she was standing there eating, or slip a rope around her neck from behind.

Was the dressing spilled when Scott ate pizza after golfishing?

[Cadillakin]

So, what was signficant about the pizza box being on the counter on Dec 24, 2002, in the evening? I'll bet a couple of the lurkers know...

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

So, what was signficant about the pizza box being on the counter on Dec 24, 2002, in the evening? I'll bet a couple of the lurkers know...

There could be several things, none of which I consider significant.

Having pizza left over could indicate Laci had expected Amy to accept her invitation.

Having pizza left over could indicate Laci was murdered before she had a chance to eat.

Leaving the box out over night could indicate Laci was murdered and Scott had more important things to do.

If Laci was going to be preparing food, she would have needed the room where the pizza box was.

[frydaddy]

Anyone know the specific exhibit number of photos of the pizza box? TIA

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Anyone know the specific exhibit number of photos of the pizza box? TIA

No pictures of the pizza box and this testimony explains why...

Allen Brocchini: It's 0967 is the Bates stamp. He took me to the residence, took me to the dining room, into this little sitting room, went into the dining room. That's where the front door leads into the dining room. It's wide open to this little sitting room. I could see into the kitchen. I could see the pizza box on the counter. I could see the converted garage. We went outside and met McKenzie. He pointed out his shoes -- they were outside the French doors just in the corner here -- that he said he wore fishing that day. I picked them up and looked at them. Then we came back inside.
Rick Distaso: Okay. At some time that evening, did you ask ID Tech Lovell to take some pictures of the house?
Allen Brocchini: Actually, I asked detective or Officer Letsinger to -- when Lovell did this, he wasn't there when I was there. I directed Letsinger to tell ID Officer Lovell to take pictures of the inside of the house.
Rick Distaso: Okay. And did that include pictures of the kitchen?
Allen Brocchini: Yes, it did.
Rick Distaso: Now, in the -- let me show you these. This has been marked as People's 37. It's a bunch of photos. People's 37-S do you recognize that as a picture of the inside of the kitchen?
Allen Brocchini: Yes, I do.
Rick Distaso: Okay. There is a kitchen counter, correct?
Allen Brocchini: Yes.
Rick Distaso: And was the pizza box on that counter?
Allen Brocchini: Yes.
Rick Distaso: Do you see it in the photograph?
Allen Brocchini: No.
Rick Distaso: All right. Do you know what -- do you know what happened to -- or where it went?
Allen Brocchini: I know what happened to it. I can't say exactly where it went.
Rick Distaso: Go ahead, tell me what happened to the pizza box.
Allen Brocchini: At the conclusion of doing the walk-through, I asked Scott if I could review his cell phone and write down the history, all the received calls, dialed calls, missed calls. I stood at that counter, and while I was is doing that, took me about ten minutes or so, he put the pizza box in the fridge or in the garbage. But I think it was in the fridge.
Rick Distaso: Okay. So he did something with it, but you didn't follow up on where it went?
Allen Brocchini: Yeah, I didn't care where it went.

[cookiewench]

I never noticed that before. That was some pizza. First, two of them ate if the night before, then Scott had some when he came home, but there was still some left so he put it in the frig.

A pizza lasts about 10 minutes in my house!

[Cadillakin]

By the time the trial rolled around, Distaso and Brocchini had put everything together, realizing that Scott made statements to the first officers on the scene about Laci cleaning up and mopping.. But during Brocchini's first walk-thru and meeting with Scott, Brocchini didn't realize any signficance in seeing the box on the counter, and of Scott removing it from his sight.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

No pictures of the pizza box and this testimony explains why...

Allen Brocchini: It's 0967 is the Bates stamp. He took me to the residence, took me to the dining room, into this little sitting room, went into the dining room. That's where the front door leads into the dining room. It's wide open to this little sitting room. I could see into the kitchen. I could see the pizza box on the counter. I could see the converted garage. We went outside and met McKenzie. He pointed out his shoes -- they were outside the French doors just in the corner here -- that he said he wore fishing that day. I picked them up and looked at them. Then we came back inside.
Rick Distaso: Okay. At some time that evening, did you ask ID Tech Lovell to take some pictures of the house?
Allen Brocchini: Actually, I asked detective or Officer Letsinger to -- when Lovell did this, he wasn't there when I was there. I directed Letsinger to tell ID Officer Lovell to take pictures of the inside of the house.
Rick Distaso: Okay. And did that include pictures of the kitchen?
Allen Brocchini: Yes, it did.
Rick Distaso: Now, in the -- let me show you these. This has been marked as People's 37. It's a bunch of photos. People's 37-S do you recognize that as a picture of the inside of the kitchen?
Allen Brocchini: Yes, I do.
Rick Distaso: Okay. There is a kitchen counter, correct?
Allen Brocchini: Yes.
Rick Distaso: And was the pizza box on that counter?
Allen Brocchini: Yes.
Rick Distaso: Do you see it in the photograph?
Allen Brocchini: No.
Rick Distaso: All right. Do you know what -- do you know what happened to -- or where it went?
Allen Brocchini: I know what happened to it. I can't say exactly where it went.
Rick Distaso: Go ahead, tell me what happened to the pizza box.
Allen Brocchini: At the conclusion of doing the walk-through, I asked Scott if I could review his cell phone and write down the history, all the received calls, dialed calls, missed calls. I stood at that counter, and while I was is doing that, took me about ten minutes or so, he put the pizza box in the fridge or in the garbage. But I think it was in the fridge.
Rick Distaso: Okay. So he did something with it, but you didn't follow up on where it went?
Allen Brocchini: Yeah, I didn't care where it went.

Thanks for this...saves me from looking back through every exhibit. Do you recall the exhibit # of the alleged spilled ranch photo? I always felt the ranch was simply light glare.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

I never noticed that before. That was some pizza. First, two of them ate if the night before, then Scott had some when he came home, but there was still some left so he put it in the frig.

A pizza lasts about 10 minutes in my house!

Mine too, until I got strategic about pizza. Have the pizza guy place one mushroom, black olive, or green pepper smack in the middle on top. By the time each piece gets inspected for additional stray ones, you can be halfway through dessert!

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Thanks for this...saves me from looking back through every exhibit. Do you recall the exhibit # of the alleged spilled ranch photo? I always felt the ranch was simply light glare.

Scott certainly became very aware of how neat things were when the police were there, didn't he. Doesn't give with the guy with duffle bags on the floor full of stuff, does it? Or the guy with the matress blocking the window in the dining room on the February search. Or the guy who leaves a loaded gun in his glove box for 4 months

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Thanks for this...saves me from looking back through every exhibit. Do you recall the exhibit # of the alleged spilled ranch photo? I always felt the ranch was simply light glare.

Nope.. Maybe I will find it when I get home from work. As to the Ranch, there was only one brief mention of it in trial testimony. I thought too it was a light glare from the flash. If not, if the persons who speculate that it is Ranch dressing are right.. it's probably fairly significant. If that were spilled in the course of eating a meal, any normal person would clean it immediately... even a slob would clean it. If it's there, it was probably a good indicator that Scott was in the process of killing Laci when the dressing was spilled... No way in the world, Laci would leave that dressing there on the counter..

Remember, Stacy Boyers said Scott was very busy vacuuming less than 24 hours later, just a short distance away from the kitchen counter near the washer alcove.. She must have somehow transmitted to Scott thru language or looks that what he was doing seemed inappropriate in that time, Scott responded.. "I can't keep this house clean enough"

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Nope.. Maybe I will find it when I get home from work. As to the Ranch, there was only one brief mention of it in trial testimony. I thought too it was a light glare from the flash. If not, if the persons who speculate that it is Ranch dressing are right.. it's probably fairly significant. If that were spilled in the course of eating a meal, any normal person would clean it immediately... even a slob would clean it. If it's there, it was probably a good indicator that Scott was in the process of killing Laci when the dressing was spilled... No way in the world, Laci would leave that dressing there on the counter..

Remember, Stacy Boyers said Scott was very busy vacuuming less than 24 hours later, just a short distance away from the kitchen counter near the washer alcove.. She must have somehow transmitted to Scott thru language or looks that what he was doing seemed inappropriate in that time, Scott responded.. "I can't keep this house clean enough"

I recall discussing this back in the CTV days. Exhibit is Pros. 37V. The area in question doesn't look to have room for a pizza box and that's a lot of slop for it to be ranch. Look at how spotless everything else is in that photo. Laci wouldn't have wiped it up with a paper towel?

If you look at the mirror on the orange wall, it appears there is a can light above the mirror. It is my opinion that the "ranch" is actually a reflection of the can light off the well shined tile counter. You can see the can lights in 37W.

The only evidence of pizza eating and movie watching in the photos is the TV tray on the Ottoman and there are blankets on both the couch and the loveseat. Odd that the pillows are almost perfectly placed on both pieces of furniture, but the blankets are there in a heap (see 37Z).

IMO, the family room or whatever it is, looks staged. The doors wide open on the armoire, the blankets and TV tray are the only untidy things in the room, everything else looks like typical Laci perfection. Makes no sense that she'd have the energy to do all that she was to do, but wouldn't fold the blankets, put away the TV tray, or wipe up the ranch - be it that night or the next morning.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

Scott certainly became very aware of how neat things were when the police were there, didn't he. Doesn't give with the guy with duffle bags on the floor full of stuff, does it? Or the guy with the matress blocking the window in the dining room on the February search. Or the guy who leaves a loaded gun in his glove box for 4 months

Yep, all one needs to do is look at the photos from the 24th and the 26/27th photos, specifically the dining room table and the kitchen area around the sink, to see the difference between casa Peterson with Scott in charge and with Laci in charge.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Nope.. Maybe I will find it when I get home from work. As to the Ranch, there was only one brief mention of it in trial testimony. I thought too it was a light glare from the flash. If not, if the persons who speculate that it is Ranch dressing are right.. it's probably fairly significant. If that were spilled in the course of eating a meal, any normal person would clean it immediately... even a slob would clean it. If it's there, it was probably a good indicator that Scott was in the process of killing Laci when the dressing was spilled... No way in the world, Laci would leave that dressing there on the counter..

Remember, Stacy Boyers said Scott was very busy vacuuming less than 24 hours later, just a short distance away from the kitchen counter near the washer alcove.. She must have somehow transmitted to Scott thru language or looks that what he was doing seemed inappropriate in that time, Scott responded.. "I can't keep this house clean enough"

Wouldn't the cats drink the dressing? I remember there was a messed rug that SP said was because of the cats and dog.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I recall discussing this back in the CTV days. Exhibit is Pros. 37V. The area in question doesn't look to have room for a pizza box and that's a lot of slop for it to be ranch. Look at how spotless everything else is in that photo. Laci wouldn't have wiped it up with a paper towel?

If you look at the mirror on the orange wall, it appears there is a can light above the mirror. It is my opinion that the "ranch" is actually a reflection of the can light off the well shined tile counter. You can see the can lights in 37W.

The only evidence of pizza eating and movie watching in the photos is the TV tray on the Ottoman and there are blankets on both the couch and the loveseat. Odd that the pillows are almost perfectly placed on both pieces of furniture, but the blankets are there in a heap (see 37Z).

Didn't Jackie complain to one of Laci's friends that there were no paper towels, no napkins and no garbage bags in the house. I found that VERY odd.

IMO, the family room or whatever it is, looks staged. The doors wide open on the armoire, the blankets and TV tray are the only untidy things in the room, everything else looks like typical Laci perfection. Makes no sense that she'd have the energy to do all that she was to do, but wouldn't fold the blankets, put away the TV tray, or wipe up the ranch - be it that night or the next morning.

Didn't Jackie complain to one of Laci's friends that there were no paper towels, no napkins and no garbage bags in the house. I found that VERY odd.

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[Lavindar]

I agree with the armoire and the blankets on the couch. VERY out of the ordinary for Laci, not for Scott tho. If you harbor any illusion that he is a neat person, look at proseuction 88 and 89 - his home office desk. Pig sty is too kind a description of same.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

Didn't Jackie complain to one of Laci's friends that there were no paper towels, no napkins and no garbage bags in the house. I found that VERY odd.

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Was that after the Christmas dinner?

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

I don't know about the pizza box, but I think that the spilled Ranch dressing was very significant.

Laci was the one who used Ranch, and she wasn't the type to splash it all over the counter and leave it there.

I've always wondered if Scott didn't grab her from behind while she was standing there eating, or slip a rope around her neck from behind.

How do you know it was Ranch?

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Sturgeon_Moon

How do you know it was Ranch?

I don't think anybody can definitively know the spill/stain/glare was ranch. But there was a bottle of Ranch on the counter.. One of the police testified to it.. just one brief mention.. which leads to the speculation that it was a spill of dressing.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Sturgeon_Moon

Was that after the Christmas dinner?

I'm not sure of the time, but I believe the complaint was made to one of Laci's friends, which sounds like it was about the same time that Scott was vacuuming. Didn't Jackie want one of them to go get some?

Ok, it was the 26th:

According to an article in the March 8, 2004, National Enquirer, Stacey Boyers and Lori Ellsworth visit Scott and Laci Peterson's home, where they receive from Jackie Peterson what they believe to be a surprising shopping list that includes paper towels, napkins and garbage bags—items that Jackie Peterson says are not in the home, but which Boyers and Ellsworth believe Laci Peterson would not have been without, especially during the holiday season.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

I'm not sure of the time, but I believe the complaint was made to one of Laci's friends, which sounds like it was about the same time that Scott was vacuuming. Didn't Jackie want one of them to go get some?

Ok, it was the 26th:

According to an article in the March 8, 2004, National Enquirer, Stacey Boyers and Lori Ellsworth visit Scott and Laci Peterson's home, where they receive from Jackie Peterson what they believe to be a surprising shopping list that includes paper towels, napkins and garbage bags—items that Jackie Peterson says are not in the home, but which Boyers and Ellsworth believe Laci Peterson would not have been without, especially during the holiday season.

IIRC Stacey Bowers and Lori Ellsworth volunteered to do some shopping a few days after Laci was reported missing. They thought it strange paper towels, napkins and garbage bags were all needed and reported it to MPD.