Wader Boots and the Camouflage Jacket.

[Cadillakin]

Some of you may not know that when Scott returned from his trip(s) to the Bay, he had within his possession a very large camouflage jacket and some fishing waders. Fishing waders are of course used when one is going to enter the water.. and camouflage jackets are used for.. well you know...

Anybody want to tell me why a man fishing and "testing his new boat" would want to make himself less visible to boats and other vessels, and why he needed to get out of his boat and wade into the water.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Some of you may not know that when Scott returned from his trip(s) to the Bay, he had within his possession a very large camouflage jacket and some fishing waders. Fishing waders are of course used when one is going to enter the water.. and camouflage jackets are used for.. well you know...

Anybody want to tell me why a man fishing and "testing his new boat" would want to make himself less visible to boats and other vessels, and why he needed to get out of his boat and wade into the water.

He wanted to be prepared?????

Why would he keep fishing licenses for the past three years, too? The avid fisherman who had only fished twice in 2002,

[TopGunner]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

He wanted to be prepared?????

He knew he had the wrong fishing gear for saltwater and sturgeon, so he was trying another tactic. Wear the jacket to hide in the sea brush, and when the sturgeon aren't looking, slip the waders on and grab 'em!

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by TopGunner

He knew he had the wrong fishing gear for saltwater and sturgeon, so he was trying another tactic. Wear the jacket to hide in the sea brush, and when the sturgeon aren't looking, slip the waders on and grab 'em!

Yeah, I heard of that method

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by TopGunner

He knew he had the wrong fishing gear for saltwater and sturgeon, so he was trying another tactic. Wear the jacket to hide in the sea brush, and when the sturgeon aren't looking, slip the waders on and grab 'em!

I have to admit that in all my years of living in California, I never have heard of anyone wearing waders into SF BAY!! He's just sink into he much

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

I have to admit that in all my years of living in California, I never have heard of anyone wearing waders into SF BAY!! He's just sink into he much

Although, they would work well wading off the shore at Brooks.. I was always interested that Scott remembered that sign on shore.. So, we know he was there, close or on Brooks Island, but the question is when, and what was he doing...

Scott did check the tides.. low tide the night of the 23rd was about 3am or thereabouts. Scott could have walked off of Brooks Island then.

[Cadillakin]

I was just told by another poster that seems to know that Brooks Island is relatively impossible to wade into and out of.. because of the mud/silt. Nevertheless, I'm speculating Scott took those waders with a specific plan for using them.. I'm thinking that he got out of the boat to prep or position Laci for a drop at or near those shipping lanes... and then cruised over to the chosen site to bury her. It's all speculation I know.. but I never felt close to knowing what Scott actually did to get the body into the water.

Anybody know that area well enough to know where Scott might land the boat in darkness.. do some shallow water work with Laci, and push out to the Chevron shipping lanes?

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

I was just told by another poster that seems to know that Brooks Island is relatively impossible to wade into and out of.. because of the mud/silt. Nevertheless, I'm speculating Scott took those waders with a specific plan for using them.. I'm thinking that he got out of the boat to prep or position Laci for a drop at or near those shipping lanes... and then cruised over to the chosen site to bury her. It's all speculation I know.. but I never felt close to knowing what Scott actually did to get the body into the water.

Anybody know that area well enough to know where Scott might land the boat in darkness.. do some shallow water work with Laci, and push out to the Chevron shipping lanes?

I got this information from a ship's captain who explored the Bay Area. The buoys for the shipping lane are lit at night, but one was out around that time. Again, this is third hand from a pilot in the Bay to a captain.

[Luke Davis]

Looks like Scott could get very close.

[cookiewench]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Although, they would work well wading off the shore at Brooks.. I was always interested that Scott remembered that sign on shore.. So, we know he was there, close or on Brooks Island, but the question is when, and what was he doing...

Scott did check the tides.. low tide the night of the 23rd was about 3am or thereabouts. Scott could have walked off of Brooks Island then.

I've mentioned this issue to NGs many times over the years.

No one has ever responded.

It seems obvious that this is exactly what he had in mind: go to shallow water, wade in it while lifting the body out of the boat, and towing it out again.

Wasn't there also a life jacket missing?

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

I've mentioned this issue to NGs many times over the years.

No one has ever responded.

It seems obvious that this is exactly what he had in mind: go to shallow water, wade in it while lifting the body out of the boat, and towing it out again.

Wasn't there also a life jacket missing?

I agree that the waders were under-discussed on the boards.. We did talk about them at WS.. but not much .. And yes, the life jacket was missing and so were the auxiliary wheels of the boat. IMO, both may have been used as a float to move/tow Laci along before cutting her loose.. although I haven't confirmed Scott's wheels were floatable. He had a lot of time to rig something while working in the warehouse and waiting for the concrete to set..

Imagine, taking waders and a camouflage jacket to the ocean, which I never saw employed even once in my ocean fishing days. And losing both the lifejacket and auxiliary wheels on his boat that only had one voyage. (supposedly)

By the time the detectives recognized the wheels and jacket were gone from his boat, Scott had quit talking to the police. So, he never even attempted to make up an explanation to explain their loss.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

Looks like Scott could get very close.

Where is that Luke?

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

I've mentioned this issue to NGs many times over the years.

No one has ever responded.

It seems obvious that this is exactly what he had in mind: go to shallow water, wade in it while lifting the body out of the boat, and towing it out again.

Wasn't there also a life jacket missing?

IIRC the missing life jacket was later found in the warehouse.

[cookiewench]

The photo is titled BrooksIsle. I assumed that it is, although it's prettier than I imagined it.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Where is that Luke?

A view from Brooks Island.

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[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

A view from Brooks Island.

Strictly from that picture alone.. it does look entirely possible to approach and land on the island. Surely the boaters jumped off into shallow water..

[cookiewench]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Strictly from that picture alone.. it does look entirely possible to approach and land on the island. Surely the boaters jumped off into shallow water..

It sure does. In the one photo, we see the tip of a canoe or kayak and they head for the shore.

People wouldn't be able to visit Brooks Island at all if the silt was so deep that they couldn't get out of a small boat to pull it to shore.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

It sure does. In the one photo, we see the tip of a canoe or kayak and they head for the shore.

People wouldn't be able to visit Brooks Island at all if the silt was so deep that they couldn't get out of a small boat to pull it to shore.

Brooks Island is a snactuary and people live on the island. There has to be a way to get to the island without wading in the water as there are tours given there - possibly a dock or pier.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

Brooks Island is a snactuary and people live on the island. There has to be a way to get to the island without wading in the water as there are tours given there - possibly a dock or pier.

I have seen a photo of a dock with a sign on it, that Scott reportedly saw.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I have seen a photo of a dock with a sign on it, that Scott reportedly saw.

I'm almost sure Scott had experience in that Bay PRIOR to his visit there on Dec 24th, 2002. He told Amber that he had been sailing or boating with some friends in the Bay days or weeks before. I remember it specifically, but I can't remember when or where it was.

It would be just like Scott to purchase that boat, take it out solo to scout around, and then subsequently tell Amber that he was on a boat outing with a bunch of people or family. You know Scott, always in the middle of the action, whether in Paris or Bay boating trips...

Can anybody pinpoint that conversation he had with Amber? where he told her he just went boating in the Bay..

[Lavindar]

http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=...&t=k&z=19&om=1

That' s a link to the satellite of Brooks showing the residence and what appears to be a pier of some sort sticking out into the water.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

IIRC the missing life jacket was later found in the warehouse.

I think you got that one wrong Luke.. There was two, one of them was never found.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

I'm almost sure Scott had experience in that Bay PRIOR to his visit there on Dec 24th, 2002. He told Amber that he had been sailing or boating with some friends in the Bay days or weeks before. I remember it specifically, but I can't remember when or where it was.

It would be just like Scott to purchase that boat, take it out solo to scout around, and then subsequently tell Amber that he was on a boat outing with a bunch of people or family. You know Scott, always in the middle of the action, whether in Paris or Bay boating trips...

Can anybody pinpoint that conversation he had with Amber? where he told her he just went boating in the Bay..

http://www.courttv.com/trials/peters...7a.html?page=6

I believe this is one of the conversations about sailing with his good buddy Greg Rogue! LMAO, Scott was such a kidder!

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

I think you got that one wrong Luke.. There was two, one of them was never found.

Could be, my memory is fading on this case.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

http://www.courttv.com/trials/peters...7a.html?page=6

I believe this is one of the conversations about sailing with his good buddy Greg Rogue! LMAO, Scott was such a kidder!

You know what.. I think that conversation is very significant. Amber had a gift for remembering dates and putting them into the context of her life...

She remembers Scott saying he was out with the boys on the Bay Dec 9th. Perhaps it was because Scott wasn't calling her that day or evening.. Phone records anybody.. Where was Scott on Dec 9th? One other thing happened that day that we know for sure. Scott bought his boat. Was he at the Bay that very day/night?

I always thought Scott scouted out the Bay before burying Laci.. but nobody has been able to confirm that he was there prior to the 24th..

Anybody? Phone records? Or his whereabouts on Dec 9th, provable by something other than Scott's word..

[Luke Davis]

IIRC December 9 was when Scott bought the boat.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

You know what.. I think that conversation is very significant. Amber had a gift for remembering dates and putting them into the context of her life...

She remembers Scott saying he was out with the boys on the Bay Dec 9th. Perhaps it was because Scott wasn't calling her that day or evening.. Phone records anybody.. Where was Scott on Dec 9th? One other thing happened that day that we know for sure. Scott bought his boat. Was he at the Bay that very day/night?

I always thought Scott scouted out the Bay before burying Laci.. but nobody has been able to confirm that he was there prior to the 24th..

Anybody? Phone records? Or his whereabouts on Dec 9th, provable by something other than Scott's word..

Not on the 9th...there were no gaps or calls from Berkeley the whole day. However, the 8th had a gap of five hours of no phone use, he could have scouted Berkeley marina from land. Scott was an early riser, there are a couple mornings after the 9th that he could have gone.

I also wonder if his LA trip wasn't a scouting venture for channels that led out to sea. He left on the 9th and headed home from that area at 2:30pm on the 10th. He could have taken the boat out into the saltwater the morning of the 10th for a dry run or scouting. IMO

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

Not on the 9th...there were no gaps or calls from Berkeley the whole day. However, the 8th had a gap of five hours of no phone use, he could have scouted Berkeley marina from land. Scott was an early riser, there are a couple mornings after the 9th that he could have gone.

I also wonder if his LA trip wasn't a scouting venture for channels that led out to sea. He left on the 9th and headed home from that area at 2:30pm on the 10th. He could have taken the boat out into the saltwater the morning of the 10th for a dry run or scouting. IMO

Yeah, I have no inclination to believe that he did it the same day he bought it.. but I'm almost sure he was there before the night of the 23rd.

Can you see any time where he was in that area? And would you know the cities well enough to know? like Hayward, Livermore.. If he was there, he was probably coming or going from the Bay when the towers got his call.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Yeah, I have no inclination to believe that he did it the same day he bought it.. but I'm almost sure he was there before the night of the 23rd.

Can you see any time where he was in that area? And would you know the cities well enough to know? like Hayward, Livermore.. If he was there, he was probably coming or going from the Bay when the towers got his call.

Do you think he would risk showing the boat?

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Yeah, I have no inclination to believe that he did it the same day he bought it.. but I'm almost sure he was there before the night of the 23rd.

Can you see any time where he was in that area? And would you know the cities well enough to know? like Hayward, Livermore.. If he was there, he was probably coming or going from the Bay when the towers got his call.

Let's see. Trip from Berkeley to Modesto would take him through Oakland, San Leandro, edge of Hayward, Castro Valley, Dublin, Pleasanton, Livermore then over the hill to Tracy. Those would pretty much be the towns he'd go through. Don't know anything about the cell towers tho.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Sturgeon_Moon

Do you think he would risk showing the boat?

No problem to him, he would just make up a lie. Actually, as I laid it out at WS, I don't think Scott took the boat that morning on the 24th. I think the work was already done in the night - in the dark

He was just freaking out. IMO, He took the truck without the boat. Nobody saw him. In fact, the maintenance workers in the Bay who Scott said he interacted with DID NOT SEE HIM. He said they saw him in the truck pulling the boat and he hit a pylon.. and they made fun of him.. They, on the other hand, testified that the bay was nearly deserted.. and there was no boating activity to speak of. None of them mentioned seeing Scott... Geragos team did NOT EVEN ASK THE WORKERS IF THEY SAW SCOTT.. Explain that one..

It's always a good bet to discount what Scott said.. He lied nearly every time he opened his mouth.. I don't believe he showered when he came home.. or washed clothes.. or ate pizza or drank milk. Surely he was trying to throw people off the trail.. so the smart money always throws Scott's statements out. Everything.

[frydaddy]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Yeah, I have no inclination to believe that he did it the same day he bought it.. but I'm almost sure he was there before the night of the 23rd.

Can you see any time where he was in that area? And would you know the cities well enough to know? like Hayward, Livermore.. If he was there, he was probably coming or going from the Bay when the towers got his call.

In a word...no.

The calls made between 2:12 and 2:34 on 12/24 went through the 31 Concord18-A switch. The two cities were Berkeley and Oakland. No other calls on the fraud records used this switch.

The two calls to Lee at 2:40 and 2:45 used the 31 SantaClara17-A switch. The city was Castro Valley. No other calls on the fraud records used this switch.

The call from Livermore to Laci @ home used 31 Concord19-A switch. He did have a bevy of phone calls from this switch on Jan 2, 3, 5, and 6. Figure these were most likely trips to the bay to see if the divers were looking in the right spot.

So, if Scott was in Berkeley before the 24th, which I agree he likely was, he either didn't use his 0337 cell or he made no calls while he was there.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by frydaddy

In a word...no.

The calls made between 2:12 and 2:34 on 12/24 went through the 31 Concord18-A switch. The two cities were Berkeley and Oakland. No other calls on the fraud records used this switch.

The two calls to Lee at 2:40 and 2:45 used the 31 SantaClara17-A switch. The city was Castro Valley. No other calls on the fraud records used this switch.

The call from Livermore to Laci @ home used 31 Concord19-A switch. He did have a bevy of phone calls from this switch on Jan 2, 3, 5, and 6. Figure these were most likely trips to the bay to see if the divers were looking in the right spot.

So, if Scott was in Berkeley before the 24th, which I agree he likely was, he either didn't use his 0337 cell or he made no calls while he was there.

Concord is north of Livermore as the crow flies I believe. Concord is not a city he would drive through to get from Berkeley to Modesto unless you wanted to go WAYYYY out of your way.

[Sturgeon_Moon]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

No problem to him, he would just make up a lie. Actually, as I laid it out at WS, I don't think Scott took the boat that morning on the 24th. I think the work was already done in the night - in the dark

He was just freaking out. IMO, He took the truck without the boat. Nobody saw him. In fact, the maintenance workers in the Bay who Scott said he interacted with DID NOT SEE HIM. He said they saw him in the truck pulling the boat and he hit a pylon.. and they made fun of him.. They, on the other hand, testified that the bay was nearly deserted.. and there was no boating activity to speak of. None of them mentioned seeing Scott... Geragos team did NOT EVEN ASK THE WORKERS IF THEY SAW SCOTT.. Explain that one..

It's always a good bet to discount what Scott said.. He lied nearly every time he opened his mouth.. I don't believe he showered when he came home.. or washed clothes.. or ate pizza or drank milk. Surely he was trying to throw people off the trail.. so the smart money always throws Scott's statements out. Everything.

Was he just cleaning house all day, except when he was gone?

[Lili007]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

No problem to him, he would just make up a lie. Actually, as I laid it out at WS, I don't think Scott took the boat that morning on the 24th. I think the work was already done in the night - in the dark

He was just freaking out. IMO, He took the truck without the boat. Nobody saw him. In fact, the maintenance workers in the Bay who Scott said he interacted with DID NOT SEE HIM. He said they saw him in the truck pulling the boat and he hit a pylon.. and they made fun of him.. They, on the other hand, testified that the bay was nearly deserted.. and there was no boating activity to speak of. None of them mentioned seeing Scott... Geragos team did NOT EVEN ASK THE WORKERS IF THEY SAW SCOTT.. Explain that one..

It's always a good bet to discount what Scott said.. He lied nearly every time he opened his mouth.. I don't believe he showered when he came home.. or washed clothes.. or ate pizza or drank milk. Surely he was trying to throw people off the trail.. so the smart money always throws Scott's statements out. Everything.

Good catch. I don't believe he'd be eating pizza before a full dinner with the Rochas. I don't believe he was such a clean-freak that he'd wash his clothes as soon as he got home. I don't believe his story of eating pizza while he was in the shower.

Most of all, I don't believe he didn't KNOW that something was very wrong when he got home from his "fishing" trip to find and empty house and his wife's things on the counter and no baking smells in the house, when he knew what she was planning to do.

So he comes in, finds a cold empty house, his pregnant wife's keys and purse on the counter and her car in the driveway, but he prioritises by washing his clothes, taking a shower and eating pizza before he "notices" her absence.

I believe that's because he knew exactly where she was, and knew for certain she wasn't ever going to do any baking, or anything, anymore.

I don't know how he ever thought he was going to get away with it. I suppose it's the arrogance.

JMO

PS - I don't believe that he was constantly mopping the floor in the kitchen/laundry because he wanted it to be clean and tidy. According to him, Laci had just washed it that morning, before she "disappeared".