Who Can Tell Me What This is?

[Cadillakin]

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[Luke Davis]

Ad in a phone book. It is laminated, so more often than not, the book will open to the ad.

[accordn2me]

also noticed how it was folded over....our phone books come with them folded in like that...i guess so the tab doesn't get bent during delivery

it is ironic that LE found SLP's phone book open to this page on 12/24/02! it's a sign!

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

Ad in a phone book. It is laminated, so more often than not, the book will open to the ad.

No offense Luke, but that's just the NG talking points. You don't know because you have never handled it. I have. That phone book belongs to me. It is the same year and issue that Scott Peterson had in his home. It is identical in every way to the 2002 Peterson family phone book.

For those of you who don't know it, when the detectives entered the Peterson home on Covena Ave on the night of Dec 24th around 7pm, they noticed right away the phone book was open to the to the page of trial lawyer, Richard Herman, who defended another well known murder case in Modesto... It was the state vs Douglas Mouser... against Distaso and Fladager, no less. For the police, the phone book page viewed on Scott's counter was on the hush-hush. In our country, criminal suspects our afforded certain protections. One of them is the right to counsel, without prejudice or the admittance of guilt. If the police and investigators were to publicly state that Scott was already looking for a lawyer to defend him in a murder trial, just HOURS AFTER LACI WENT MISSING, it would be a HIGHLY prejudicial to the jury and his right to a fair trial. So, the facts were kept quiet on the prosecution side. Geragos, when he got his turn, tried to suggest to officers on the stand that the viewing of the phone book prejudiced their view of the case and pointed to Scott as the suspect, But the police didn't bite. Geragos was looking for an admission that it was so, and if he would have got it, a mistrial or a dismissal was likely in the offing.

When this was first posted, within minutes the NG's led by Lovely Pigeon at WS dreamed up the "turns to that page automatically" defense. But like so many things they said, it simply wasn't true. Every single page that the book opens to stays on that page.

Below is the same phone book first turned randomly to the "C" section and secondly, to an injury accident lawyer. Does anybody see any evidence that this 2002 Stanislaus/Modesto Phone book is opening automatically to the defense lawyers page.. the one who defends murderers?

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[Cadillakin]

By the way, it was myself and Loretta at Misfitting.com who broke this story. It received national attention. In fact, the same picture shown here was published in the New York Post. They cropped it, but I saw that the same sheets my wife and I were sleeping on, evident in the background of this photo you see at the top of this thread were showing slightly in the Post article. I took the photo from above while the phone book was lying on our bed.

I was on a website one evening following the news of the Peterson trial. There had been a display of pictures entered into evidence that day in the San Mateo courtroom. There were a couple of shots of the Peterson kitchen counter, with the pizza box and the phone book. At least one person, maybe it was Loretta herself, was very curious what page the Peterson phone book was open to.. In fact, it seemed important to us in that time. We were more than a little us curious. The evidence pictures had been shown on the screen in the courtroom to all in attendance, but the phone book laying on Scott and Laci's kitchen counter, next to the pizza box, was shown from the side and it was not clear what that thick ad page contained.. I don't recall the circumstances exactly, but it seemed they were purposely not allowing us to see the pages Scott was viewing. But there was black text on green pages abutting the thicker advertising page showing in one of the photos.

It occurred to me, though it was 2004, that I may very well have the Modesto 2002 phone book in my kitchen, under the phone, in the stand cabinet. I remembered there were a couple old phone books there.

I went to my kitchen and there it was. Amazing, as Scott would say. The way that I ascertained the page that Scott was looking at was the phone book had only two of those thicker ad pages, and ONLY one of those was followed by the green pages. When I turned to the advertising page, that preceded the first green page, there it was, the defense lawyer page, advertising that he defends those accused of murder. Voila! I was able to verify independently and with the help of others that the green page immediately following had the exact same text on mine as the picture displayed in the courtroom. It was a definitive match. I sent it immediately to Loretta. She worked up the story and published it on her web page. Within 24 hours, it was being published on both coasts.

And thru it all, though there were demonstrations published on the web, somewhat like my second post in this thread, illustrating that the phone book stayed open to any page the user selected and DID NOT fling itself open to the thicker page, the NG's clinged to the idea that Scott's phonebook was just open to a random page discussing the defending of murderers... and that the phone book magically opened there all by itself.

Mable at WS made a really funny joke at WS about what the NG's were doing and saying to rationalize this "coincidence". Maybe she will come along and tell us again what she said, or send it to me, or maybe I can find it..

[onthefence]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

No offense Luke, but that's just the NG talking points. You don't know because you have never handled it. I have. That phone book belongs to me. It is the same year and issue that Scott Peterson had in his home. It is identical in every way to the 2002 Peterson family phone book.

For those of you who don't know it, when the detectives entered the Peterson home on Covena Ave on the night of Dec 24th around 7pm, they noticed right away the phone book was open to the to the page of trial lawyer, Richard Herman, who defended another well known murder case in Modesto... It was the state vs Douglas Mouser... against Distaso and Fladager, no less. For the police, the phone book page viewed on Scott's counter was on the hush-hush. In our country, criminal suspects our afforded certain protections. One of them is the right to counsel, without prejudice or the admittance of guilt. If the police and investigators were to publicly state that Scott was already looking for a lawyer to defend him in a murder trial, just HOURS AFTER LACI WENT MISSING, it would be a HIGHLY prejudicial to the jury and his right to a fair trial. So, the facts were kept quiet on the prosecution side. Geragos, when he got his turn, tried to suggest to officers on the stand that the viewing of the phone book prejudiced their view of the case and pointed to Scott as the suspect, But the police didn't bite. Geragos was looking for an admission that it was so, and if he would have got it, a mistrial or a dismissal was likely in the offing.

When this was first posted, within minutes the NG's led by Lovely Pigeon at WS dreamed up the "turns to that page automatically" defense. But like so many things they said, it simply wasn't true. Every single page that the book opens to stays on that page.

Below is the same phone book first turned randomly to the "C" section and secondly, to an injury accident lawyer. Does anybody see any evidence that this 2002 Stanislaus/Modesto Phone book is opening automatically to the defense lawyers page.. the one who defends murderers?

http://i12.tinypic.com/4mvow8x.jpg
http://i8.tinypic.com/2n8y92c.jpg

Are the people they defend or call, murderers before they call or after? I think you meant to say people who are charged with murder or some other criminal offense, right?

Those links don't demonstrate where the phone book falls open. Sorry, but unleess it is supported by testimony or i see it myself, that dog don't hunt.

[onthefence]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

By the way, it was myself and Loretta at Misfitting.com who broke this story. It received national attention. In fact, the same picture shown here was published in the New York Post. They cropped it, but I saw that the same sheets my wife and I were sleeping on, evident in the background of this photo you see at the top of this thread were showing slightly in the Post article. I took the photo from above while the phone book was lying on our bed.

I was on a website one evening following the news of the Peterson trial. There had been a display of pictures entered into evidence that day in the San Mateo courtroom. There were a couple of shots of the Peterson kitchen counter, with the pizza box and the phone book. At least one person, maybe it was Loretta herself, was very curious what page the Peterson phone book was open to.. In fact, it seemed important to us in that time. We were more than a little us curious. The evidence pictures had been shown on the screen in the courtroom to all in attendance, but the phone book laying on Scott and Laci's kitchen counter, next to the pizza box, was shown from the side and it was not clear what that thick ad page contained.. I don't recall the circumstances exactly, but it seemed they were purposely not allowing us to see the pages Scott was viewing. But there was black text on green pages abutting the thicker advertising page showing in one of the photos.

It occurred to me, though it was 2004, that I may very well have the Modesto 2002 phone book in my kitchen, under the phone, in the stand cabinet. I remembered there were a couple old phone books there.

I went to my kitchen and there it was. Amazing, as Scott would say. The way that I ascertained the page that Scott was looking at was the phone book had only two of those thicker ad pages, and ONLY one of those was followed by the green pages. When I turned to the advertising page, that preceded the first green page, there it was, the defense lawyer page, advertising that he defends those accused of murder. Voila! I was able to verify independently and with the help of others that the green page immediately following had the exact same text on mine as the picture displayed in the courtroom. It was a definitive match. I sent it immediately to Loretta. She worked up the story and published it on her web page. Within 24 hours, it was being published on both coasts.

And thru it all, though there were demonstrations published on the web, somewhat like my second post in this thread, illustrating that the phone book stayed open to any page the user selected and DID NOT fling itself open to the thicker page, the NG's clinged to the idea that Scott's phonebook was just open to a random page discussing the defending of murderers... and that the phone book magically opened there all by itself.

Mable at WS made a really funny joke at WS about what the NG's were doing and saying to rationalize this "coincidence". Maybe she will come along and tell us again what she said, or send it to me, or maybe I can find it..

you have some interesting stories. first the one about you and Brochinni and now you and some other person breaking another story. you are all over the place! Amazing. thanks for the insights.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by onthefence

Are the people they defend or call, murderers before they call or after? I think you meant to say people who are charged with murder or some other criminal offense, right?

Those links don't demonstrate where the phone book falls open. Sorry, but unleess it is supported by testimony or i see it myself, that dog don't hunt.

Frankly, I don't expect to convince you of anything that implicates Scott Peterson. If you would admit that Scott was looking for a lawyer, either before or shortly after he returned from Berkeley, and WELL BEFORE the police even knew Laci was missing, that would be pretty damn incriminating. If you were to do so, openmindedly, you would have to give up the pretense that he is innocent and that you are onthefence..

And I don't expect you'll do that. For whatever reasons. you will never admit that Scott is guilty.

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by onthefence

you have some interesting stories. first the one about you and Brochinni and now you and some other person breaking another story. you are all over the place! Amazing. thanks for the insights.

I take it that you are calling me a liar in your subtle way. I would respond that if you think I am lying about any of it, it just goes to show that you are seemingly unable to distinguish an honest man from a liar. And that may explain why you think Scott is innocent.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

By the way, it was myself and Loretta at Misfitting.com who broke this story. It received national attention. In fact, the same picture shown here was published in the New York Post. They cropped it, but I saw that the same sheets my wife and I were sleeping on, evident in the background of this photo you see at the top of this thread were showing slightly in the Post article. I took the photo from above while the phone book was lying on our bed.

I was on a website one evening following the news of the Peterson trial. There had been a display of pictures entered into evidence that day in the San Mateo courtroom. There were a couple of shots of the Peterson kitchen counter, with the pizza box and the phone book. At least one person, maybe it was Loretta herself, was very curious what page the Peterson phone book was open to.. In fact, it seemed important to us in that time. We were more than a little us curious. The evidence pictures had been shown on the screen in the courtroom to all in attendance, but the phone book laying on Scott and Laci's kitchen counter, next to the pizza box, was shown from the side and it was not clear what that thick ad page contained.. I don't recall the circumstances exactly, but it seemed they were purposely not allowing us to see the pages Scott was viewing. But there was black text on green pages abutting the thicker advertising page showing in one of the photos.

It occurred to me, though it was 2004, that I may very well have the Modesto 2002 phone book in my kitchen, under the phone, in the stand cabinet. I remembered there were a couple old phone books there.

I went to my kitchen and there it was. Amazing, as Scott would say. The way that I ascertained the page that Scott was looking at was the phone book had only two of those thicker ad pages, and ONLY one of those was followed by the green pages. When I turned to the advertising page, that preceded the first green page, there it was, the defense lawyer page, advertising that he defends those accused of murder. Voila! I was able to verify independently and with the help of others that the green page immediately following had the exact same text on mine as the picture displayed in the courtroom. It was a definitive match. I sent it immediately to Loretta. She worked up the story and published it on her web page. Within 24 hours, it was being published on both coasts.

And thru it all, though there were demonstrations published on the web, somewhat like my second post in this thread, illustrating that the phone book stayed open to any page the user selected and DID NOT fling itself open to the thicker page, the NG's clinged to the idea that Scott's phonebook was just open to a random page discussing the defending of murderers... and that the phone book magically opened there all by itself.

Mable at WS made a really funny joke at WS about what the NG's were doing and saying to rationalize this "coincidence". Maybe she will come along and tell us again what she said, or send it to me, or maybe I can find it..

I had the 2002 phone book also and one of the more interesting things I found in it was that there was more than one Scott Peterson living in Modesto at that time. Scott Lee Peterson was listed as Peterson, Scott and Laci. I tried calling the home number (I think this was also in 2004) and got an answering machine, meaning the phone number was still in use. Were the senior Petersons still using the house at that point? Also there was ALWAYS a Mercedes in the driveway when I would take the time to drive by. Different colors, but ALWAYS a Mercedes.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

No offense Luke, but that's just the NG talking points. You don't know because you have never handled it.

I disagree.

[Cadillakin]

Here is a link to the original evidence file released by Judge Delucchi in the Scott Peterson trial. Shown is the Peterson home, and their kitchen counter, with the phone book open about 9:00 pm on Dec 24,2002, the night Laci disappeared. Do your own detective work and match it up to my phone book at the top of this thread.

http://www.courttv.com/trials/peters...e/?curPhoto=78

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Frankly, I don't expect to convince you of anything that implicates Scott Peterson. If you would admit that Scott was looking for a lawyer, either before or shortly after he returned from Berkeley, and WELL BEFORE the police even knew Laci was missing, that would be pretty damn incriminating. If you were to do so, openmindedly, you would have to give up the pretense that he is innocent and that you are onthefence..

And I don't expect you'll do that. For whatever reasons. you will never admit that Scott is guilty.

I agree that if you drop a phonebook on it's spine, it will open to that page, but I seriously doubt that if it were sitting on the table top (or bed) closed, that it would miraculously open to that spot. IIRC that ad was NOT in the middle of the attorney section of the yellow pages either. It was at the beginning of the entire yellow page section which did not start with ATTORNEYS

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I disagree.

That's fine with me.

[Cadillakin]

This is the quote of Mabel at WS that I thought so funny..

"I've taken my head out of the washing machine and progressed to observing phone books. Mine is lying on the table. I've been watching it for 20 minutes or so and it still hasn't opened itself."

Mabel was always my favorite poster at WS...

Here link to the original thread at WS when the knowledge of the phonebook was released into the public domain. Follow the action there. Notice how very fast Lovely Pigeon comes in to defend Scott and attack the lawyer information as invalid, based on her knowledge of phone books. Mind you, she has never seen a Stanislaus/Modesto phone book and it's only 5 minutes after I posted the top article, but I guess she KNOWS and is suggesting that ALL phonebooks are of identical layout, weight, and use identical stock and do EXACTLY what she suggests they do. And to this day, the NG's mimic her responses, without ever having a 2002 Modesto phone book in their hands...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9271

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

I agree that if you drop a phonebook on it's spine, it will open to that page, but I seriously doubt that if it were sitting on the table top (or bed) closed, that it would miraculously open to that spot. IIRC that ad was NOT in the middle of the attorney section of the yellow pages either. It was at the beginning of the entire yellow page section which did not start with ATTORNEYS

Scott told Brocchini he was calling hospitals that evening before the police arrived. So, I guess those who have faith in Scott believe the phone book just flipped itself over from the hospital section to the lawyers defending murderers section...

[onthefence]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Frankly, I don't expect to convince you of anything that implicates Scott Peterson. If you would admit that Scott was looking for a lawyer, either before or shortly after he returned from Berkeley, and WELL BEFORE the police even knew Laci was missing, that would be pretty damn incriminating. If you were to do so, openmindedly, you would have to give up the pretense that he is innocent and that you are onthefence..

And I don't expect you'll do that. For whatever reasons. you will never admit that Scott is guilty.

you don't have to convince me of anything. However, links like the one you posted wouldn't convince a thinking person that the pic shows anything other than an open phone book (I will assume that it is a 2002 Modesto phone book for grins).

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by onthefence

you don't have to convince me of anything. However, links like the one you posted wouldn't convince a thinking person that the pic shows anything other than an open phone book (I will assume that it is a 2002 Modesto phone book for grins).

I just threw my phone book on the bed and it opened to an ad for lawyers. It might never happen again but it did happen.

I thought the original story was they had called for pizza. The phone book was open to pizza and the lawyer ad.

[Luke Davis]

O'BRIEN: A little change of strategy.

Let's talk about some pictures that most people haven't seen before. I want to first show you -- I'll tell you what we're seeing, and then you tell me what the significance is. This is a shot of a phone book. What's that about?

GOMEZ: Well, when detectives actually searched Scott Peterson's home the day Laci Peterson disappeared they noticed that the phone book was open and flipped to a page listing all of the lawyers in town. So obviously, prosecutors are contending that maybe Scott Peterson was already looking for some sort of legal help, even before police arrived, Soledad.

CNN


Prosecution Bombshell in Scott Peterson Trial Fizzles

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by onthefence

I said the stories were interesting, all the connections etc..
whether they are true or not, there is no way of knowing or verifying.
The paper got the source wrong homeless person instead of you on the Ward case. guess the journalist must have not heard what Al told him or what Al told LE that told the person writing the story. kinda like golfing vs.fishing, homeless person vs. you.

IF I took you seriously, I'd be offended by your suggestions that I'm lying.. But I don't...

[Luke Davis]

ROWLANDS: Well, the court released a number of photos from inside the Peterson house last week -- or earlier this week, rather. And there was a report out that a photo depicting a phone book, open, on the kitchen counter. Was opened up to an attorney's page, a defense attorney's page.

However, Modesto Police Sergeant Spurlock testified in this trial early on that on December 24, when Modesto Police went into the house, they noticed the phone book, as well.

They said and they testified that the phone book open to pizza.

I did remember pizza

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by onthefence

you don't have to convince me of anything. However, links like the one you posted wouldn't convince a thinking person that the pic shows anything other than an open phone book (I will assume that it is a 2002 Modesto phone book for grins).

Except for the fact that it is IDENTICAL in every way to the Peterson phone book of 2002.

[Luke Davis]

I think what thinking people have to ask themselves is, why would a law firm pay more for an ad that wouldn't be seen more?

[TopGunner]

Originally Posted by onthefence

the guy that flawlessly cleaned the home, the boat, etc The guy that planned this crime so far in advance that he supposedly bought a boat 2 weeks before to dump his wife in the bay, then remembered at the last minute that he might need an attorney, looked one up and left the phone book open to attorneys for murderers . how conveeeeenient.

Yeah, that guy: the one who said he lost his wife and it would be his first holiday without her - before she was lost, and weeks before the holiday. The one who sat down w/guest for Christmas dinner. The one who was telling the cops he'd have to check with his attny before he answered any more questions within days of Laci's disappearance...the one who asked about counciling for everyone when Laci was gone for only a few hours, did I mention the one who tried to sell the house FURNISHED when she'd only been missing for two weeks? Oh yeah, THAT sociopath!

[Cadillakin]

Originally Posted by onthefence

the guy that flawlessly cleaned the home, the boat, etc

Not true.. He didn't successfully clean the boat and home. There was evidence that the pliers within the boat contained a hair that was consistent with the hair of Scott's murdered wife. The hair was twisted into the pliers and considered likely to be Laci's hair by the odds of 108-1. 107 chances it was hers, 1 chance it was not. There was evidence presented that Scott kept a boat secret. This boat was thought to be utilized in the burial of Laci Peterson. Scott told the police of that boat at his home. Further, there was also evidence submitted that the concrete residues at the bottom of his boat were too substantial to belong to just the the one "anchor" that Scott said he brought with him to the Bay, suggesting to the jury that the prosecutors theory of Scott taking more weights/anchors to the burial site was likely. In fact, the jury examined that "anchor", and they were able to see the anchor that Scott had in his possession had lost minimal amounts of its form and shape, whereas the concrete dirt, cement, rock and mix in the boat bottom far exceeded that loss from Scott's single "anchor".

Relating to that, In the home, a small rock consistent with the concrete mix was found under the kitchen table. Laci was known to be a marvelous housekeeper, and Margarite Nava had just cleaned the day before. So, one might assume it was recently tracked in. His computer at home provided evidence that he had been searching at or near the burial site, before it was a burial site. He left minute blood droplets of his own on the duvet. On the day of Laci's disappearance, he incurred a sharp cut to the back of his knuckle that spilled blood in his vehicle, and proceeded to tell three different stories about the source of the cut. He inexplicably completely unloaded his large toolbox that day. A toolbox large enough to carry a womans body. He had an illegal loaded gun in his truck, and his warehouse looked like it was a concrete weight factory with a half dozen circles imprinted, suggesting that he made much more weight than he admitted to. He lied about the concrete, which is evidence, saying contractors left it. The contractors refuted him. The search dogs scented Laci leaving the house by the driveway and by car, not by foot, putting a damper on the "Laci walked" theory...and after hearings that were held at the behest of the defense, the validity of the dogs scenting at the driveway was upheld and found to be admissible as evidence... though some of the other "hits" were disallowed. Further, there was not one sign of encroachment on Laci's home at any time by an outsider which IS evidence. Laci was found clothed in the same pants she wore the last day/night she was with Scott, suggesting that she died before she went to bed. Also, there is clear evidence Scott was NOT preserving the evidence at or near his home, with many testifying that his boat cover and tarp were contaminated with gas/chemicals. Also, there was testimony Scott was vigorously vacuuming the kitchen area a day after his wife went missing, when others who loved and cared for Laci were out searching for her. In addition, the police found wet buckets outside when they arrived and testified that in their opinion, some cleaning had been done before they arrived. Scott himself said he washed his own clothes and took a shower before he noticed his wife was missing. His dog was leashed and he ignored it, having told others his wife was going to walk the dog, but upon finding this dog in that very unusual state, he decided to eat some pizza and drink some milk instead of becoming alarmed. That is evidence. His telling the police that he fished while standing in his front yard, and not knowing what bait he used or having opened his lure packages is also evidence obtained at the home. He also told two separate parties that he golfed, while changing his alibi to fishing for the police. That is evidence. And as any man would tell you, every fisherman knows vaguely if not specifically what they are fishing for before they leave to the fishing site. Scott claimed he didn't know.. His umbrellas were inexplicably taken down, transported to the Bay and brought back. His explanations of forgetfulness about not leaving them at the warehouse as he intended is evidence... His being in the home where he claimed Laci was alive and well at 10:08am or thereabouts, and having Karen Servas discover the dog just ten minutes later is powerful evidence that Laci never walked as Scott said she would and may have already been dead... Nobody ever saw her or heard from her from the previous night onward when she was with her husband. That too is evidence.

There is much more .. much much more.. So don't tell me there is no evidence at the home or car.. It is simply evidence you don't like or you wish to ignore. Most all that I listed was submitted as evidence to the jury in Scott's trial. Ignore if if you wish, but it IS evidence. And the jury used that and other evidence to convict him.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by TopGunner

Yeah, that guy: the one who said he lost his wife and it would be his first holiday without her - before she was lost, and weeks before the holiday. The one who sat down w/guest for Christmas dinner. The one who was telling the cops he'd have to check with his attny before he answered any more questions within days of Laci's disappearance...the one who asked about counciling for everyone when Laci was gone for only a few hours, did I mention the one who tried to sell the house FURNISHED when she'd only been missing for two weeks? Oh yeah, THAT sociopath!

It always has amazed me how Amber would fall for a guy who just lost his wife.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Scott told Brocchini he was calling hospitals that evening before the police arrived. So, I guess those who have faith in Scott believe the phone book just flipped itself over from the hospital section to the lawyers defending murderers section...

Cadi, you know and I know, there are only two hospitals in Modesto that Laci would be taken to if an emergency occurred. How long would it take for Scott to look up Memorial and Doctors? Did he not call the hospitals after Sharon suggested it. In the opinion of many, acaring husband with a wife that pregnant would call the hospitals FIRST, not last. And that comes from every caring husband that I know.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Scott told Brocchini he was calling hospitals that evening before the police arrived. So, I guess those who have faith in Scott believe the phone book just flipped itself over from the hospital section to the lawyers defending murderers section...

Cadi, you know and I know, there are only two hospitals in Modesto that Laci would be taken to if an emergency occurred. How long would it take for Scott to look up Memorial and Doctors? Did he not call the hospitals after Sharon suggested it. In the opinion of many, a caring husband with a wife that pregnant would call the hospitals FIRST, not last. And that comes from every caring husband that I know.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I did remember pizza

Trust me, that cardboard page is not next to a pizza place. It's inbetween the index and the start of the yellow pages. I had that phone book too and tried to watch it open to that page and had no luck.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by onthefence

the guy that flawlessly cleaned the home, the boat, etc The guy that planned this crime so far in advance that he supposedly bought a boat 2 weeks before to dump his wife in the bay, then remembered at the last minute that he might need an attorney, looked one up and left the phone book open to attorneys for murderers . how conveeeeenient.

I read somewhere that every criminal makes at least 25 mistakes. The boat as I stated earlier was NOT flawlessly cleaned - that's where they found Laci's hair. And you don't have to be so nasty with every sarcastic post you make, either.

You make erroneous statements and then when shown you are wrong, you get downright sarcastic and nasty. Try learning the facts before being so rude

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

Trust me, that cardboard page is not next to a pizza place. <snip>

I trust you. It is what it is.

[attorneywan2be]

Mark Geragos: Okay. Now when, one of the other things that the officers thought was suspicious at the time, it hasn't been testified to, but I think it's in some of your reports and I think you followed up on it, was they saw a phone book open in the house; isn't that correct?
Craig Grogan: That’s correct.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And they thought that that was suspicious because the phone book was open and it was to an ad for an attorney; is that right?
Craig Grogan: That’s correct.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And that's one of the things that kind of peaked these officers curiosity, thought that was odd, wife's missing, why is there a phone number open for an attorney, right?
Craig Grogan: That was something that was mentioned, yes, sir.
Mark Geragos: Okay. In a couple of reports. You did some investigation on that, didn't you?
Craig Grogan: I did.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And what you did is you found that phone book, correct?
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: And you opened it a couple of times and determined that the reason that it would be is because the attorney's ad is on a thicker piece of cardboard paper in the middle of the phone book, right?
Craig Grogan: Yes, I saw that the phone book would easily open to that page.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And so at that point you realized that for whatever concern that was Scott had indicated, at least in subsequent interviews, and we'll get to that, that he had opened the phone book to make some calls, correct?
Craig Grogan: Yeah, there was some indication that he was going to make some calls that night. I don't know who opened the phone book.
Mark Geragos: Okay. But your, you did it, I think you put in one of your reports and I'll get it if you want me to, but I think you said you demonstrated this yourself at least numerous times and that every time you did the phone book opened to the same ad for this attorney?
Craig Grogan: Yeah, I did write a report on that. I don't know if it was every time, but I agree with you that it would open very easily to that page.
Mark Geragos: Now, that, that was done approximately when, when did you figure out that that kind of suspicion ended up not being something that should have been acted on?
Craig Grogan: I don't know. I have to look that up.
Mark Geragos: I'll show you. I just found it. It looks like sometime in March you removed the phone book from the property room; is that right? Can you take a look at that. I've got a yellow highlighter. And I'll just ask you about this. That's all you have to read to refresh your recollection.
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: Okay. Does that refresh your recollection?
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And basically what you did is sometime in March, by the way, either in one of the search warrants someone had seized this phone book, correct?
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: And so you went in March, as part of the investigation that was ongoing, to determine, you pulled it out of the property room that we have talked about before, to determine what was going on with this phone book, correct?
Craig Grogan: Correct.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And you put in here that that location of the phone book, I don't have Bates stamp on this thing, was a natural place for the phone book to open and that you were able to close the book and reopen it to that page three times in succession by running your thumb along the edge of the phone book pages; is that correct?
Craig Grogan: Yes, something very, very similar to that at least. Three times in succession, yes, it says that.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by attorneywan2be

Mark Geragos: Okay. Now when, one of the other things that the officers thought was suspicious at the time, it hasn't been testified to, but I think it's in some of your reports and I think you followed up on it, was they saw a phone book open in the house; isn't that correct?
Craig Grogan: That’s correct.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And they thought that that was suspicious because the phone book was open and it was to an ad for an attorney; is that right?
Craig Grogan: That’s correct.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And that's one of the things that kind of peaked these officers curiosity, thought that was odd, wife's missing, why is there a phone number open for an attorney, right?
Craig Grogan: That was something that was mentioned, yes, sir.
Mark Geragos: Okay. In a couple of reports. You did some investigation on that, didn't you?
Craig Grogan: I did.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And what you did is you found that phone book, correct?
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: And you opened it a couple of times and determined that the reason that it would be is because the attorney's ad is on a thicker piece of cardboard paper in the middle of the phone book, right?
Craig Grogan: Yes, I saw that the phone book would easily open to that page.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And so at that point you realized that for whatever concern that was Scott had indicated, at least in subsequent interviews, and we'll get to that, that he had opened the phone book to make some calls, correct?
Craig Grogan: Yeah, there was some indication that he was going to make some calls that night. I don't know who opened the phone book.
Mark Geragos: Okay. But your, you did it, I think you put in one of your reports and I'll get it if you want me to, but I think you said you demonstrated this yourself at least numerous times and that every time you did the phone book opened to the same ad for this attorney?
Craig Grogan: Yeah, I did write a report on that. I don't know if it was every time, but I agree with you that it would open very easily to that page.
Mark Geragos: Now, that, that was done approximately when, when did you figure out that that kind of suspicion ended up not being something that should have been acted on?
Craig Grogan: I don't know. I have to look that up.
Mark Geragos: I'll show you. I just found it. It looks like sometime in March you removed the phone book from the property room; is that right? Can you take a look at that. I've got a yellow highlighter. And I'll just ask you about this. That's all you have to read to refresh your recollection.
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: Okay. Does that refresh your recollection?
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And basically what you did is sometime in March, by the way, either in one of the search warrants someone had seized this phone book, correct?
Craig Grogan: Yes.
Mark Geragos: And so you went in March, as part of the investigation that was ongoing, to determine, you pulled it out of the property room that we have talked about before, to determine what was going on with this phone book, correct?
Craig Grogan: Correct.
Mark Geragos: Okay. And you put in here that that location of the phone book, I don't have Bates stamp on this thing, was a natural place for the phone book to open and that you were able to close the book and reopen it to that page three times in succession by running your thumb along the edge of the phone book pages; is that correct?
Craig Grogan: Yes, something very, very similar to that at least. Three times in succession, yes, it says that.

Well, that makes it even more interesting. Scott opened the book to that page rather than the one listing attornies or the one for pizza. I don't think that helps him at all.

[deputydi]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

It always has amazed me how Amber would fall for a guy who just lost his wife.

What's so amazing about that? Drat -- there's that word again. Since this case began I think of Scott everytime someone says "amazing".

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by deputydi

What's so amazing about that? Drat -- there's that word again. Since this case began I think of Scott everytime someone says "amazing".

I wouldn't think it wise to date someone who had just lost their spouse. But that's just me.

[Lavindar]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I wouldn't think it wise to date someone who had just lost their spouse. But that's just me.

Actually he had said the same thing to Shawn in October, but he had just lost his "soulmate." Amazing how he loses things, isn't it?

[onthefence]

Originally Posted by Cadillakin

Except for the fact that it is IDENTICAL in every way to the Peterson phone book of 2002.

ok. It's a picture of an open phone book that is identical in every way to the Peterson's (I'll trust you on that one). and?

[onthefence]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I wouldn't think it wise to date someone who had just lost their spouse. But that's just me.

well nobody ever accused Frey of being wise-especially in the relationship and dating department.

[onthefence]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I wouldn't think it wise to date someone who had just lost their spouse. But that's just me.

It's a great line for someone to use in Scott P's situation though-sympathy and a lot less questions than I'm divorced. especially on women who are so willing to plow right in and ignore all the red flags and any past lessons learned-and there are plenty out there.

[onthefence]

Originally Posted by Lavindar

I read somewhere that every criminal makes at least 25 mistakes. The boat as I stated earlier was NOT flawlessly cleaned - that's where they found Laci's hair. And you don't have to be so nasty with every sarcastic post you make, either.

You make erroneous statements and then when shown you are wrong, you get downright sarcastic and nasty. Try learning the facts before being so rude

that's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?

what erroneous statement did I make in that post and what part of my post was rude? The expression , "how conveeenient" is a quote from the Church Lady on SNL, it was supposed to be funny. Where is your sense of humor?