Shocking Child Abuse Case/Mother,Boyfriend charged

[One2Snoop]

Shocking child abuse is alleged
By Sandra Gonzales
Mercury News
Article Launched: 08/17/2007 01:42:44 AM PDT



Just shy of 2 years old and still in diapers, the San Jose toddler already had suffered more than his share of torture with bruises and burns marking his small body.

And, he was still fragile, crying and badly injured when he arrived at Valley Medical Center on Aug. 6.

"It's probably the most serious case I've seen," said Santa Clara County sheriff's detective Sgt. Herman Leon, who saw the child days later.

Thursday, the toddler's mother, Julia Acosta, 20, of San Jose, and her boyfriend, Baltazar Martinez, 26, of Milpitas, were charged in the case.

Acosta is being held in Santa Clara County Jail on $1 million bail on one count of torture with great bodily injury and one count of child abuse and endangerment with great bodily injury.

Martinez, who is in custody on $2.5 million bail, faces the same charges in addition to one count of domestic violence in connection with abuse Acosta may have suffered at his hands.

"It appears that Acosta may have been a victim, too," Leon said. Acosta had visible bruises, he said.

Authorities believe the child had been abused for days, weeks, even months. He had burns on his arm and bruises all over his body, and the burns appeared to be in various stages of healing.

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http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_6646969

[One2Snoop]

Mother, boyfriend charged in alleged abuse of San Jose toddler
BRUISED, BURNED TODDLER STILL UNDER MEDICAL CARE
By Sandra Gonzales
Mercury News
Article Launched: 08/17/2007 01:42:46 AM PDT



Just shy of 2 years old and still in diapers, the San Jose toddler already had suffered more than his share of torture with bruises and burns marking his small body.

And, he was still fragile, crying and badly injured when he arrived at Valley Medical Center on Aug. 6.

"It's probably the most serious case I've seen," said Santa Clara County sheriff's detective Sgt. Herman Leon, who saw the child days later.

Thursday, the toddler's mother, Julia Acosta, 20, of San Jose, and her boyfriend, Baltazar Martinez, 26, of Milpitas, were charged in the case.

Acosta is being held in Santa Clara County Jail on $1 million bail on one count of torture with great bodily injury and one count of child abuse and endangerment with great bodily injury.

Martinez, who is in custody on $2.5 million bail, faces the same charges in addition to one count of domestic violence in connection with abuse Acosta may have suffered at his hands.

"It appears that Acosta may have been a victim, too," Leon said. Acosta had visible bruises, he said.

Authorities believe the child had been abused for days, weeks, even months. He had burns on his arm and bruises all over his body, and the burns appeared to be in various stages of healing.

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http://www.mercurynews.com/crime/ci_6646970

[One2Snoop]

South Bay couple deny torturing boy
THEY BLAME EACH OTHER FOR TODDLER'S HEAD-TO-TOE BRUISING, POLICE SAY
By Linda Goldston
Mercury News
Article Launched: 08/18/2007 01:33:27 AM PDT



After a stormy two-month relationship, a South Bay couple were arraigned Friday on charges of abusing and torturing the woman's 22-month-old son so severely that he had injuries from his head to his toes and will need several kinds of medical treatment indefinitely.

Julia Acosta, 20, of San Jose and Baltazar Martinez, 26, of Milpitas face life sentences if convicted of the charges. Martinez faces an additional charge of felony domestic abuse.

"We believe this is one of the most extreme cases we've seen in Santa Clara County," said Dan Nishigaya, Santa Clara County supervising deputy district attorney, family violence division. "We have accused both of them for being responsible for the injuries to the child."

Nishigaya said the torture charge was included because of the severity of the injuries, which include bruises of varying colors - yellow, black, blue, purple and red - over the boy's entire body and major trauma to the boy's genitals, according to police reports.

The toddler's head and eyebrows had been shaved, his eyelashes cut and there were two burns, possibly caused by a meth pipe, on the boy's left arm and back, the reports said.

"It's difficult to tell how this child will recover from this abuse," Nishigaya said. "He suffered both physically and mentally."

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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_6656574?source=rss

[odette]

Santa Clara Couple Jailed For Child Torture, Abuse

CBS 5 CrimeWatch
Aug 16, 2007 9:51 pm US/Pacific

(CBS 5 / KCBS / BCN) SANTA CLARA A Santa Clara County couple is in police custody on a combined $3.5 million bail for allegedly torturing and abusing a 22-month-old boy, authorities said Thursday evening.

Julia Acosta, the mother of the child, and Baltazar Martinez, Acosta’s boyfriend, were arrested after a joint investigation by the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office and the Fremont Police Department. ...

continued: Santa Clara Couple Jailed For Child Torture, Abuse


Baltazar Martinez, Julia Acosta.
CBS 5

[sallynuts]

I will never for the life of me understand this kind of thing......

I don't give a rat's a## what kind of upbringing these people had,, it is still so ........ i'm lost for the right words..

There is NO excuse,, NO reason,, NO one to BLAME,, but those that caused it..

My blood is boiling,,,, i will pray for this child,, and with the right care and attention he will recover...

[hissister]

I wholeheartedly agree with sallynuts; there is no excuse for what these people have done to this child. No excuse whatsoever.

[wildyarrow]

I agree totally with you guys,there's no excuse that could justify this poor babies treatment.

I pray that he'll recover and be placed in a loving home and NOT returned to his mother at any point in his life.

Frankly, I don't care if she was abused by him or whoever too,that's no excuse for what she did or allowed to be done to her baby.

I'm sick of the excuses and whining these monsters do about their own bad lives or childhoods,etc...

Poor baby,it just breaks my heart that anyone could harm a child like this,sick. Throw the Book at them!

[analisa221]

you know what quit reading what you heard from the media i know julia you guys cannot judge what kind of a parent she was...you guys dont know her....nor were you guys around her and the baby to see the love her and the baby,david, had for eachother so quit talking smack....NOW!~

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by analisa221

you know what quit reading what you heard from the media i know julia you guys cannot judge what kind of a parent she was...you guys dont know her....nor were you guys around her and the baby to see the love her and the baby,david, had for eachother so quit talking smack....NOW!~

I'm sorry but this is a crime message board where we talk about things like this and are allowed to express our opinions. Since it appears you are close to the situation can you explain how this poor little baby ended up in such horrible condition? Someones responsible, IMO.

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by analisa221

you know what quit reading what you heard from the media i know julia you guys cannot judge what kind of a parent she was...you guys dont know her....nor were you guys around her and the baby to see the love her and the baby,david, had for eachother so quit talking smack....NOW!~

Yeh, thats a whole lota love going on Im sure. Shall we ignore the actual facts then where this poor baby now lies in hospital lucky to be alive?????

[odette]

Plea delayed in South Bay child abuse case

MERCURY NEWS - By Linda Goldston - Article Launched: 08/24/2007 04:01:22 PM PDT

A hearing to enter pleas for a South Bay couple accused of torturing and abusing the woman's 22-month-old son has been postponed until Aug. 31.

Julia Acosta, 20, of San Jose and Baltazar Martinez, 26, of Milpitas were in Santa Clara County Superior Court this afternoon for the brief hearing.

Neither spoke but attorneys for both of them said outside the courtroom that their clients did not abuse the boy.

"My client is innocent, that's the reason I took this case," said attorney Randy Moore. "I don't want to say anything about the woman but in this case, my client did not do the things he's accused of doing."

Sylvia Perez, a public defender who is representing Acosta, said her client "was so abused herself, she couldn't get away from him. Every time she tried to get away, he beat her."

Acosta had two black eyes, numerous bruises and burns like the ones inflicted on the boy when she was arrested.

She and Martinez are accused of abusing the boy so badly that he had injuries from head to toe. He is in protective custody.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6711687

[odette]

Couple pleads not guilty in South Bay torture case

MERCURY NEWS - By Linda Goldston - Article Launched: 08/31/2007 04:01:16 PM PDT

A South Bay couple pleaded not guilty Friday to charges of torturing and abusing the woman's 22-month-old son.

Julia Acosta, 20, of San Jose, and Baltazar "Bart" Martinez, 26, of Milpitas face life in prison if they are convicted of what the district attorney's office calls one of the most extreme abuse cases the county has seen.

Acosta's attorney, public defender Sylvia Perez, said Acosta and her son were abused by Martinez and expects the trial to prove that. Attorneys and relatives of Martinez said Acosta is trying to deflect blame from herself.

The boy suffered extensive bruising over his entire body and major trauma to his genitals. He will require several kinds of medical treatment for years to come.

"Now Julia is safe and her son is safe; we're grateful for that," Perez said after the brief hearing in Santa Clara County Superior Court. "Once the judicial process takes its course, I'm confident they will find Julia was a victim as well."

When she was interviewed by investigators on Aug. 7, Acosta had two black eyes and numerous bruises on her head, arms, shoulders and back.

Acosta and Martinez told investigators conflicting stories about the abuse.

At the hearing Friday afternoon, a deputy stood between the two when they stood to give their pleas. Their families sat on opposite sides of the courtroom. ..... cont.

EXCERPT: In addition to the bruising and burns, the boy's head and eyebrows had been shaved, his eyelashes cut and there were at least two burns, possibly caused by a meth pipe, on the boy's arm and back, according to court records.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6772821

[odette]

Trust established for tortured San Jose toddler

MERCURY NEWS - By Mark Gomez - Article Launched: 09/11/2007 12:47:21 PM PDT

A court-supervised trust fund has been set up for the 23-month-old boy who was tortured and abused, allegedly by his mother and her boyfriend, in a case that the district attorney's office calls one of the most extreme abuse cases seen in Santa Clara County.

The San Jose law firm of Fleishman and Weisman has established the "Help the Baby Special Needs Trust" on behalf of the toddler, according to Deputy District Attorney Silvia Felix. The trust will be court supervised, according to Rebecca Weisman, a partner at the law firm managing the trust, ensuring that funds will be used in "a prudent manner for this child's best interest."

"I want him to get as much assistance as he can," said Weisman, whose firm is managing the fund pro bono. "He's going to need it. People need to know their money will be used wisely and for his benefit." ..... cont.

EXCERPT: The boy was taken to Valley Medical Center on Aug. 6, and authorities believe the child had been abused for days, weeks, even months. Dan Nishigaya, a Santa Clara County supervising district attorney, family violence division, said the torture charge was included because of the severity of the injuries, which include bruises of varying colors - yellow, black, blue, purple and red - over the boy's entire body and major trauma to the boy's genitals, according to police reports.

EXCERPT: In statements to police, Acosta and Martinez deny hurting the child but accuse each other of doing it. At one point, Acosta even said the boy had been taken by a drug dealer "as collateral" for a drug debt she and Martinez owned. At another time, she said the countless bruises on her son's body were caused by a "3-year-old known as Gordo who played rough."

http://origin.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6862854

[odette]

SJ: JUDGE SENDS SJ COUPLE TO TRIAL FOR ALLEGED TODDLER ABUSE

SAN JOSE (BCN) - 09/13/07 7:10 PDT

A Santa Clara County judge today ruled that enough evidence exists to send to trial a San Jose mother and her boyfriend for the alleged repeated physical abuse of her 22-month-old son.

Julia Acosta, 20, is currently in custody on $1 million bail and Baltazar Martinez, 26, is in custody on $2.5 million bail. Both are facing possible life sentences if convicted of all charges.

After a daylong hearing, Judge Ronald Lisk ruled that enough evidence exists to move the case forward.

"The judge bound them over for trail,'' Deputy District Attorney Dan Fehderau said.

After the toddler was taken to a local hospital by a relative in August, authorities concluded that he had been abused for "weeks if not months'' based on the extensive amount of bruises and burns he had.

"The type of injuries can only be the result of significant child abuse,'' Supervising Deputy District Attorney Dan Nishigaya said following the couple's arrest.

Acosta and Martinez are scheduled to return to court on Sept. 24 at which time a trial date may be set, according to Fehderau.

SJ: JUDGE SENDS SJ COUPLE TO TRIAL FOR ALLEGED TODDLER ABUSE

[odette]

CONFLICTING ASSERTIONS ABOUT MOTHER, BOYFRIEND
-- Abuse suspects appear in court --

Mercury News - By Linda Goldston - Article Launched: 08/25/2007 01:32:21 AM PDT

Bruises weren't visible on Julia Acosta's 22-month-old son until she started seeing Baltazar Martinez, her friends and family said Friday.

Things were so bad with the couple that the 20-year-old San Jose woman couldn't have left Martinez if she'd wanted to, that she was abused and beaten herself, they said.

Nonsense, said Martinez's attorney, who painted an image of a happy, devoted father to his own children - a man who wouldn't abuse anyone.

The conflicting assertions - involving one of the most extreme abuse cases in the South Bay in years - came in an emotional confrontation outside Department 23 of Santa Clara County Superior Court on Friday. A hearing for the couple to enter pleas to the abuse and torture charges against them was postponed until Aug. 31.

But things started heating up in the hallway when Martinez's attorney, Randy Moore, said there was no way his client could have abused Acosta's son. He showed a large color photo of Martinez, his two children and another girlfriend.

"My client is innocent," Moore said. "That's the reason I took this case. There's no real proof my client did any of these things he's charged with."

After Moore held up the photo, Acosta's relatives and friends tearfully held up a photo of her. ..... cont.

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_6717574


Baltazar Martinez at his arraignment at Santa
Clara County Superior Court in San Jose Friday,
Aug. 24, 2007. He and Julia Acosta were arrested
last week in connection with a horrendous child
abuse case. They are facing charges of abusing
and torturing the woman's 22-month-old son so
severely that he had injuries from his head to his
toes and will need several kinds of medical
treatment indefinitely.
(Patrick Tehan/Mercury News) ( Patrick Tehan )


Public defender Sylvia Perez, left, with her client, Julia Acosta,
at Acosta's arraignment at Santa Clara County Superior Court
in San Jose Friday, Aug. 24, 2007. She and Baltazar Martinez
were arrested last week in connection with a horrendous child
abuse case. They are facing charges of abusing and torturing
the woman's 22-month-old son so severely that he had injuries
from his head to his toes and will need several kinds of medical
treatment indefinitely.
(Patrick Tehan/Mercury News) ( Patrick Tehan )

[odette]

South Bay couple charged with torturing toddler appear in court

Mercury News - By Linda Goldston - Article Launched: 08/17/2007 03:03:22 PM PDT

After a stormy two-month relationship, a South Bay couple was arraigned Friday on charges of abusing and torturing the woman's 22-month-old son so severely that he had injuries from his head to his toes and will need several kinds of medical treatment indefinitely.

Julia Acosta, 20, of San Jose and Baltazar Martinez, 26, of Milpitas, face life sentences if convicted of the charges. Martinez faces an additional charge of felony domestic abuse.

"We believe this is one of the most extreme cases we've seen in Santa Clara County," said Dan Nishigaya, Santa Clara County supervising deputy district attorney, family violence division. "We have accused both of them for being responsible for the injuries to the child." ..... cont.

EXCERPT: The couple had known each other for about seven months and had dated for about two months, living in various motels in San Jose and Milpitas, they told police. He was being sought on a $50,000 bench warrant in a check forging case when he was arrested on child abuse charges.

Martinez is not the boy's father. According to police reports on the case, Jon Holmberg "is reportedly the father" of the victim. "He is currently in custody at Elmwood for unrelated offenses."

Authorities learned about the boy's injuries on Aug. 7, after Acosta and her mother, Melisa McElvain took him to Valley Medical Center. Earlier that day, McElvain received a call from her niece about bruising on her grandchild. The niece was with Acosta at a house in Campbell.

McElvain told police that her daughter "was irate" and would not let her mother touch or see the boy. McElvain said the boy was covered with a blanket but she could still see bruises on the boy's face and burns on his arm.

After driving to the hospital with her mother and baby, Acosta disappeared from the emergency room, saying she needed to go get something. McElvain saw her driving away with Martinez in his white Ford pickup, according to police reports.

That didn't stop doctors from continuing their examination of Acosta's son. The boy was in such bad shape that one of the doctors didn't want police to see him that day "due to his emotional outbursts and visible fear when in the presence of strangers," according to a police report.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6650718

[odette]

SANTA CLARA COUNTY OFFICE OF THE SHERIFF

Torture, Child Abuse and Endangerment

TYPE OF CRIME: Torture, Child Abuse and Endangerment CASE NUMBER: 07-219-0009B

LOCATION: Santa Clara County

VICTIM: 22-month old male

SUSPECTS: Baltazar Martinez and Julia Acosta

DETAILS: A Santa Clara County couple is in custody at the Department of Correction after a joint investigation by the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office and the Fremont Police Department found that the couple was torturing and abusing a 22 month-old child. The suspects, Julia Acosta, 20-year-old, San Jose resident, and natural mother of the child has been charged by the Santa Clara County District Attorney on one count of Torture With Great Bodily Injury and one count of Child Abuse and Endangerment With Great Bodily Injury, her current bail is $1,000,000. Acosta’s boyfriend, Baltazar Martinez 26-year-old, Milpitas resident, has also been charged with one count of Torture With Great Bodily Injury, one count of Child Abuse and Endangerment With Great Bodily Injury, and one count of Domestic Violence, his current bail is $2,500,000. Both parties were arrested after the child was taken to a local hospital with numerous and extensive bruises and burns throughout his body. The child is currently in protective custody. Both Martinez and Acosta will be arraigned tomorrow, August 17, 2007. Anyone with information regarding the case may call the Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office, Detective Sergeant Leon at 408-808-4500 or Fremont Police Department Detective Crandall at 510-790-6949.

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Attachments: * Suspect Photos

SANTA CLARA COUNTY OFFICE OF THE SHERIFF

[One2Snoop]

EXCERPT: In addition to the bruising and burns, the boy's head and eyebrows had been shaved, his eyelashes cut and there were at least two burns, possibly caused by a meth pipe, on the boy's arm and back, according to court records.

That didn't stop doctors from continuing their examination of Acosta's son. The boy was in such bad shape that one of the doctors didn't want police to see him that day "due to his emotional outbursts and visible fear when in the presence of strangers," according to a police report.

The boy suffered extensive bruising over his entire body and major trauma to his genitals. He will require several kinds of medical treatment for years to come.

OMG! This just makes me sick to read all that he's endured in his short little life.

Poor little guy. Keeping him in my prayers.

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

OMG! This just makes me sick to read all that he's endured in his short little life.

Poor little guy. Keeping him in my prayers.

This is beyond evil. I don't even know what to call these kind of monsters.

BUT I am da*n glad to see that this time they aren't letting the mother get off with just a spank on the hand.

They both deserve to rot!

imoo

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by analisa221

actually whats on the media arent the actual facts

Not to nit pick, but if what the media is reporting is only even 1% accurate about the extent of this childs injuries, then both parents have a lot to answer for.

Breaking bones of babies should NOT be considered entertainment for adults. Same goes for anything that hurts even a hair on their presious little heads.

How long was this baby meant to suffer? Was he born just to be someones punching bag??? It really doesnt make sense. Who was prepared to stick up and save this child before the LE stepped in??? For all the friends and family of this baby.....where were you all while he was being tortured by his own carers.

[One2Snoop]

Trust established for tortured San Jose toddler
By Mark Gomez
Mercury News
Article Launched: 09/11/2007 12:47:21 PM PDT

Mother, boyfriend charged in alleged abuse of San Jose toddlerSouth Bay couple charged with torturing toddler appear in court
A court-supervised trust fund has been set up for the 23-month-old boy who was tortured and abused, allegedly by his mother and her boyfriend, in a case that the district attorney's office calls one of the most extreme abuse cases seen in Santa Clara County.

The San Jose law firm of Fleishman and Weisman has established the "Help the Baby Special Needs Trust" on behalf of the toddler, according to Deputy District Attorney Silvia Felix. The trust will be court supervised, according to Rebecca Weisman, a partner at the law firm managing the trust, ensuring that funds will be used in "a prudent manner for this child's best interest."

"I want him to get as much assistance as he can," said Weisman, whose firm is managing the fund pro bono. "He's going to need it. People need to know their money will be used wisely and for his benefit."

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_6862854

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Not to nit pick, but if what the media is reporting is only even 1% accurate about the extent of this childs injuries, then both parents have a lot to answer for.

Breaking bones of babies should NOT be considered entertainment for adults. Same goes for anything that hurts even a hair on their presious little heads.

How long was this baby meant to suffer? Was he born just to be someones punching bag??? It really doesnt make sense. Who was prepared to stick up and save this child before the LE stepped in??? For all the friends and family of this baby.....where were you all while he was being tortured by his own carers.

I don't think you're nit picking - I think you're spot on. I'm going to take a guess and say at least 75% of whats being reported is accurate. If it isn't I have a hard time believing a law firm would set up a trust (pro bono) for this poor little guys future medical care. I wonder why they'd do that if none of this was true?

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I don't think you're nit picking - I think you're spot on. I'm going to take a guess and say at least 75% of whats being reported is accurate. If it isn't I have a hard time believing a law firm would set up a trust (pro bono) for this poor little guys future medical care. I wonder why they'd do that if none of this was true?

One2Snoop (just read your name properly!!!), thanks for backing up my point!!! One of the things I left out of my post was the 1000 rolly eyes that would have truely reflected what I was thinking!!!!!

I fail to see the point of posters who try to downplay the seriousness of a baby being tortured. It just shows that for some, a baby being hurt and broken, maybe even for entertainment, is completely unimportant.

As for it being true, if anything its probably even more heartbreaking than we have heard. The news papers have only touched upon the injuries. And you are right, it is rare for a law firm to be trying to raise money like this, it is almost unheard of.

[odette]

Bay Area Donates To Abused SJ Toddler

-- 23-Month-Old Will Need Money For Care Rest Of His Life --

NBC - 11 - UPDATED: 7:20 pm PDT September 24, 2007

SAN JOSE, Calif. -- Bay Area residents have banded together to provide support to a toddler who police said has been tortured by a mother and her boyfriend, NBC11's Kris Sanchez reported.

Julia Acosta, 20, and Baltazar Martinez, 26, are in custody for the alleged repeated physical abuse of her 23-month-old son, as they moved from motel to motel around the Bay Area.

"There are loving, kind and understanding people in our world," said Rebecca Weisman, an attorney with the "Help The Baby Special Needs Trust."

"Many, many people have donated, we've received gifts, toys, clothes and it's just really heartwarming," Weisman said.

The child was bruised and burned, Sanchez said. His head and eyebrows were shaved. His eyelashes were cut.

The district attorney said the toddler will need some sort of care for the rest of his life.

Wiesman said that's why a trust in the boy's name was set up.

Retired elementary school teacher Matt Stevens said he donated because he was moved by the story of the boy and the fact that he will need the care. .....

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http://www.nbc11.com/news/14195336/detail.html

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I don't think you're nit picking - I think you're spot on. I'm going to take a guess and say at least 75% of whats being reported is accurate. If it isn't I have a hard time believing a law firm would set up a trust (pro bono) for this poor little guys future medical care. I wonder why they'd do that if none of this was true?

Hi O2S & Sharon,

I agree with you both. If the mother was in a abusive relationship why did she not send this child to live with her parents if she was afraid to leave. It was not his child they said RIGHT ? Because if she had the same burns on her she should have sent him to her parents.
Remember the case of the little boy that died from his mothers ex- boyfriends hitting him with a meat cleaver. She was badly injured form trying to save her boy and in my eyes this lady could have done the same.Her child should have can first. IMO

For The Little One

[analisa221]

actually no one told us anything around the tim=e of the abbusing we talked to julia and she told us everything was great she did go to people and they didnt help!!!!not telling who!

[analisa221]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Hi O2S & Sharon,

I agree with you both. If the mother was in a abusive relationship why did she not send this child to live with her parents if she was afraid to leave. It was not his child they said RIGHT ? Because if she had the same burns on her she should have sent him to her parents.
Remember the case of the little boy that died from his mothers ex- boyfriends hitting him with a meat cleaver. She was badly injured form trying to save her boy and in my eyes this lady could have done the same.Her child should have can first. IMO

For The Little One

actually she did try to help and when she did she was knocked out unconsiously!!!

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by analisa221

actually she did try to help and when she did she was knocked out unconsiously!!!

Wow, is that the best convincing argument you can out forth?

Are you saying that for the duration of the torture (weeks/ months) every time this mother tried to help her baby she was knocked out unconsious. She must have been unconscious for weeks at a time. No wonder she couldnt even make `one` phone call to emergency begging for help for her baby.

Anyway, at least this baby is in good hands now!!!!! I hope the little boy finds love and care with a new family who actually know what these words mean.

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by analisa221

actually no one told us anything around the tim=e of the abbusing we talked to julia and she told us everything was great she did go to people and they didnt help!!!!not telling who!

So she told you everything was great!!!!! Funny about that.....now that you think about it....you know, with her baby being tortured and all that. Interesting that she used the word `great` instead of begging you to help her baby and save him from being killed.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by analisa221

actually no one told us anything around the tim=e of the abbusing we talked to julia and she told us everything was great she did go to people and they didnt help!!!!not telling who!

Originally Posted by analisa221

actually she did try to help and when she did she was knocked out unconsiously!!!

Originally Posted by Sharon

So she told you everything was great!!!!! Funny about that.....now that you think about it....you know, with her baby being tortured and all that. Interesting that she used the word `great` instead of begging you to help her baby and save him from being killed.

Interesting how your story has changed analisa. I take great offense to you coming here and telling us all to "Shut up". Something tells me you are barely 20 if that and have no clue. I mean no disrespect but we are talking about a little defenseless baby boy here. I can't say I'd fully understand the abuse this baby endured when I was in my late teens, early
20's because I was never exposed to this sort of situation. Is that the case here? I can understand you wanting to defend your family, but you honestly need to take in and absorb the "facts".

You tell us we shouldn't read the news and then you say no one told you anything, so that means you didn't know about the abuse? Is that correct?
Then you say Julia said everything was great, but she went to others and they didn't help. Is that correct?
This all sounds very confusing to me - did she actually go to family and ask for help and was refused? Is that what you're saying?

Regardless, there's a baby boy who was tortured. Why would a Sheriff's detective and a deputy district attorney lie? I don't think they're lying analise, I just think you're having a hard time accepting the reality of it all and that doesn't mean you're a bad person. It most likely means you are normal and would react like anyone else - "no way she would do that to her baby". Maybe she didn't have an active role, but she still covered it up - the baby has documented injuries that need future treatment, how much more proof do you need?

"It's probably the most serious case I've seen," said Santa Clara County sheriff's detective Sgt. Herman Leon, who saw the child days later.

"We believe this is one of the most extreme cases we've seen in Santa Clara County," said Dan Nishigaya, Santa Clara County supervising deputy district attorney, family violence division. "We have accused both of them for being responsible for the injuries to the child."

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by Sharon

So she told you everything was great!!!!! Funny about that.....now that you think about it....you know, with her baby being tortured and all that. Interesting that she used the word `great` instead of begging you to help her baby and save him from being killed.

Hi Sharon,

I could not have said it better myself.Another thing it is funny now that it has all come out and she is putting all the blame on him.

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

Interesting how your story has changed analisa. I take great offense to you coming here and telling us all to "Shut up". Something tells me you are barely 20 if that and have no clue. I mean no disrespect but we are talking about a little defenseless baby boy here. I can't say I'd fully understand the abuse this baby endured when I was in my late teens, early
20's because I was never exposed to this sort of situation. Is that the case here? I can understand you wanting to defend your family, but you honestly need to take in and absorb the "facts".

You tell us we shouldn't read the news and then you say no one told you anything, so that means you didn't know about the abuse? Is that correct?
Then you say Julia said everything was great, but she went to others and they didn't help. Is that correct?
This all sounds very confusing to me - did she actually go to family and ask for help and was refused? Is that what you're saying?

Regardless, there's a baby boy who was tortured. Why would a Sheriff's detective and a deputy district attorney lie? I don't think they're lying analise, I just think you're having a hard time accepting the reality of it all and that doesn't mean you're a bad person. It most likely means you are normal and would react like anyone else - "no way she would do that to her baby". Maybe she didn't have an active role, but she still covered it up - the baby has documented injuries that need future treatment, how much more proof do you need?

Excellent Post. I have nothing to add on that one

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

Interesting how your story has changed analisa. I take great offense to you coming here and telling us all to "Shut up". Something tells me you are barely 20 if that and have no clue. I mean no disrespect but we are talking about a little defenseless baby boy here. I can't say I'd fully understand the abuse this baby endured when I was in my late teens, early
20's because I was never exposed to this sort of situation. Is that the case here? I can understand you wanting to defend your family, but you honestly need to take in and absorb the "facts".

You tell us we shouldn't read the news and then you say no one told you anything, so that means you didn't know about the abuse? Is that correct?
Then you say Julia said everything was great, but she went to others and they didn't help. Is that correct?
This all sounds very confusing to me - did she actually go to family and ask for help and was refused? Is that what you're saying?

Regardless, there's a baby boy who was tortured. Why would a Sheriff's detective and a deputy district attorney lie? I don't think they're lying analise, I just think you're having a hard time accepting the reality of it all and that doesn't mean you're a bad person. It most likely means you are normal and would react like anyone else - "no way she would do that to her baby". Maybe she didn't have an active role, but she still covered it up - the baby has documented injuries that need future treatment, how much more proof do you need?

Well said. And you have said it all with kindness and respect!

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by analisa221

none of you even know what happened....keep your mouths shut

No, we will not keep our mouths shut about these monstrous acts that were done to this innocent little boy.

Maybe that was the answer for the "mother" for she surely had to be aware of this torture being done to her own child. If she stood by for one second and allowed it to happen then she is as guilty as the man imo.

I will continue to keep up with this case and I hope justice will be done for this innocent child who deserves to have someone in his life that doesn't beat and torture him but gives him love and protection instead.

imoo

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by analisa221

actually no one told us anything around the tim=e of the abusing we talked to julia and she told us everything was great she did go to people and they didn't help!!!!not telling who!

I am confused by your words analisa. You say she told everyone that things were great. Then you say she did go to people and they did not help. Well if she told them everything was great how would they know to help?

imoo

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Well said. And you have said it all with kindness and respect!

I'm not here to intimadate, negate or blame analisa's thoughts or feelings. All I want to do is understand how anyone could allow something like this to happen to their own flesh and blood, particularly a defenseless (barely 2 years of age) baby boy?
It just breaks my heart to see this sort of thing happen when there are so many resources available today - even the "leave your baby at the hospital or firestation no questions asked" law thats been set up. Why subject your baby to abuse? Why subject yourself? So many questions. I don't get it, but I want to try and understand.

[dallasvic]

Its simple there is no EXCUSE

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Its simple there is no EXCUSE

No offense dallasvic It's not that simple. There may be no excuse in our minds but its far from simple hearing it from an abusive perspective and understanding it. IMO, JMO

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

No offense dallasvic It's not that simple. There may be no excuse in our minds but its far from simple hearing it from an abusive perspective and understanding it. IMO, JMO

Hi O2S,

No offense taken I enjoy hearing your points. You always manage to bring up things I have not thought about. Thank You I was abused mentally and I guess I was thinking differently. i got of the relationship this is why i GUESS I think its that easy. Thank you for getting me to take a second look

[Jadedblueeyes]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Hi O2S,

No offense taken I enjoy hearing your points. You always manage to bring up things I have not thought about. Thank You I was abused mentally and I guess I was thinking differently. i got of the relationship this is why i GUESS I think its that easy. Thank you for getting me to take a second look

I know firsthand how painful and debilitating child abuse can be for children, I was one of them.

I also know firsthand how hurtful abuse can be in one's adult life as I have unfortunately experienced that as well but never would I have let that spill over to my children. My responsibility is to see that they were always protected and never subjected to any abuse. I cannot fathom anyone abused or not.. allowing their own child to suffer. They, of all people knows the harm that is done from abuse. Imo, it isn't about them and their situation but the abuse they standby and allow to be done to their very own children. That is unconscionable. They should always strive that even though they have experienced abuse they will never allow it to involve another and most especially their own children who cannot defend themselves.

Many women and men have endured abuse in relationships but when it extends to mistreatment of their own children it was the triggering factor for them to get out with their children starting a new life as a survivor.

If these people do not protect and nurture their own then they have enabled the abuser. No one can convince me that these people don't know the abuse is very wrong and no one, mother or father should standby and allow it to happen. It isn't about the abusive life of the adult but what just cant be endured by these little victims who rely on the parent for protection and are not protected at all.

My mother passed away 20 years ago and there are times when I lay down at night I still ask her why she allowed all those things to happen to me. She knew yet she did not protect me. I would fight to my death for my children not let them be used as sacrificial lambs to appease the abuser.

So I admit, I will never understand any mother, no matter her situation, allowing this to happen.

imoo