New and Improved User Reputation Feature

[attorneywan2be]

Let's take a poll on the new and improved User Reputation feature..please feel free to post your suggestions..

[Athena]

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[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by Athena

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Thanks for bumping it......Freshwater will probably make it a sticky...

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by attorneywan2be

Thanks for bumping it......Freshwater will probably make it a sticky...

Hey aw2b & A,

I went out of town, when I got back it looks like everyone is getting pos. reps. I am sure do to a certian person that is gone now.I truly believe she was the one giving a great deal of the negs. What do yall think?
I like it like it is since it show the name of the person and if anyone does not like it they have the choose of turning it off RIGHT?
Later

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Hey aw2b & A,

I went out of town, when I got back it looks like everyone is getting pos. reps. I am sure do to a certian person that is gone now.I truly believe she was the one giving a great deal of the negs. What do yall think?
I like it like it is since it show the name of the person and if anyone does not like it they have the choose of turning it off RIGHT?
Later

Hi Dalla and welcome back..

I think Freshwater is still working on the option where members can select to not participate....

[Athena]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Hey aw2b & A,

I went out of town, when I got back it looks like everyone is getting pos. reps. I am sure do to a certian person that is gone now.I truly believe she was the one giving a great deal of the negs. What do yall think?
I like it like it is since it show the name of the person and if anyone does not like it they have the choose of turning it off RIGHT?
Later

Well one is still here though haven't heard anything lately.

[attorneywan2be]

So far.. it looks like a close call...!!

[Atok]

I haven't gotten a negative since they started posting who sends them. While it's nice to get patted on the back and it keeps threads from derailing into pats on the back for others... isn't that what "ITA" is for? <giggle>.

Since no one is using it to ding me anymore, I guess their negative of me wasn't valid to begin with... so I'll take that as a good sign.

[Blue Mermaid]

I'm surprised that the results (so far) are that close. Looks like a love it or hate it feature.

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by Blue Mermaid

I'm surprised that the results (so far) are that close. Looks like a love it or hate it feature.

At this point..I don't think they are that close anymore...we shall see...!

[dallasvic]

I do not understand why everyone does not want to keep this. I have seen nothing but positives on everyone posts. And once FW works things out you will be able to disable it if you want. Come on everyone now that you can see peoples nic to has made a big difference.
I have noticed that if they can't give you a neg. rep and you not know who it is then they do not say anything at all. The one that are serious about their posting are able to state their option on the board and that is how it should be RIGHT ? It seems that the reps. are being used with respect and that is how it should be.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

I do not understand why everyone does not want to keep this. I have seen nothing but positives on everyone posts. And once FW works things out you will be able to disable it if you want. Come on everyone now that you can see peoples nic to has made a big difference.
I have noticed that if they can't give you a neg. rep and you not know who it is then they do not say anything at all. The one that are serious about their posting are able to state their option on the board and that is how it should be RIGHT ? It seems that the reps. are being used with respect and that is how it should be.

I guess my perspective is different than yours dallasvic (no disrespect but) Thats the problem - people won't give negatives for fear of getting one now that their nics can be seen. I'm not against nics being seen because I think its stopped the hanky panky that was going on but in all honesty I don't see any good reason for the rep system other than to cause dischord. I have to ask anyone who reads this, "Why do we need a rep system? We've never had one in the past, so why now?"

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I guess my perspective is different than yours dallasvic (no disrespect but) Thats the problem - people won't give negatives for fear of getting one now that their nics can be seen. I'm not against nics being seen because I think its stopped the hanky panky that was going on but in all honesty I don't see any good reason for the rep system other than to cause dischord. I have to ask anyone who reads this, "Why do we need a rep system? We've never had one in the past, so why now?"

Hey O2S,

No offense taken. I am open to anyones opinion Especially ones that have been here awhile thats how we learn RIGHT?

[1]

I have not been able to see it yet. When I click the User CP, it directs me to log in again.

:: waving to DV ::

[walton]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I guess my perspective is different than yours dallasvic (no disrespect but) Thats the problem - people won't give negatives for fear of getting one now that their nics can be seen. I'm not against nics being seen because I think its stopped the hanky panky that was going on but in all honesty I don't see any good reason for the rep system other than to cause dischord. I have to ask anyone who reads this, "Why do we need a rep system? We've never had one in the past, so why now?"

Maybe if they got rid of the rep system, the polls, the games being played there might be more comments made on the threads that are here.

Rate the Poster? for whose benefit? Isn't each person reading able to make up their own mind with out having the influence of posters playing games?

There are so many good stories at the library that it would be nice to have a message board to discuss such stories and the current news. Why not rate the stories and the writers. But rating the posters?

Just a thought shared.
Walton

[Athena]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I guess my perspective is different than yours dallasvic (no disrespect but) Thats the problem - people won't give negatives for fear of getting one now that their nics can be seen. I'm not against nics being seen because I think its stopped the hanky panky that was going on but in all honesty I don't see any good reason for the rep system other than to cause dischord. I have to ask anyone who reads this, "Why do we need a rep system? We've never had one in the past, so why now?"

I've given a negative since the feature has been implemented with no regrets because I felt what I said needed to be said without disrupting the board -- hopefully it was viewed as constructive criticism. If a comment is used correctly there's no reason not to give a negative comment if someone can learn from it. I would never just "bash" anyone for no reason whether it be a post or a rep. I also think if the neg feature is used correctly it could cut down on some of the distractions on the board (if only viewed as constructive critism)

But whatever is decided by FW and the rest of the board is fine with me.

[Jayelles]

My vote is that we keep it but make all the comments public. This way we can see who is voting for whom and why. I think this will make the system more meaningful.

At the moment, someone could have 200 reputation points, but we don't know whether that's made up of 8 positives or 20 positives and 10 negatives etc etc

By making the comments public, we could see who is using the system correctly and who is abusing it. I have given positive votes to people whose opinion I disagree with, but who presented interesting arguments in a polite manner and their posts made me think. Yet another poster admitted giving me a neg just becasue she disagreed with what I'd said.

In some respects, removing the anonymity of the voting is a double edged sword. It certainly has reduced (maybe even eliminated) the blank negs but some people might be wary of giving a legitimate neg for fear of retaliation out of pure spite - and let's face it, the people most likely to earn legitimate negs are quite likely to be the types who would do this! If the comments were public, it would allow everyone to decide whether they felt reputation had been earned fairly and squarely ... or not.

[Brainstorm]

Originally Posted by One2Snoop

I guess my perspective is different than yours dallasvic (no disrespect but) Thats the problem - people won't give negatives for fear of getting one now that their nics can be seen. I'm not against nics being seen because I think its stopped the hanky panky that was going on but in all honesty I don't see any good reason for the rep system other than to cause dischord. I have to ask anyone who reads this, "Why do we need a rep system? We've never had one in the past, so why now?"

ITA....O2.........and especially on the Tara board.MOST of us there are there because of Tara...to try to find Tara,A MISSING PERSON,not for the sake of posting on a message board. I have gotten really interested in a few other stories and have posted, but again,Not for the sake of posting.(I followed several cases on Court TV and was extremely dedicated & interested in the process,such as Scotty boy,but I refuse to discuss that scum,he isnt worth my time) For the sake,IMO, of being able to freely and OPENLY discuss cases.(I see no need for a lot of critiquing each other,for expressing an opinion.) Thats what we're here for.
CL should at least LET US VOTE,as a community/whatever/on each forum
as to using the feature or not. I would,of course,vote NOT.
jmhho

[gacountry]

Originally Posted by BrookLyn

Hi Athena! Hope you're having a good one! ITA. I've also given a neg rep to a poster I felt needed to hear what was wrong with what they posted and why. I also didn't want to put it on the board because I felt it would have disrupted the rhythm of the posts and distracted from the discussion at hand. I don't think the neg rep feature should be used to bash posters who have a differing opinion than your own nor should it be used to bash posters that you don't "like". I think it should be used as constructive critism, also. But, in the end, just like you, whatever the majority decides is fine by me!

Hello Brooke!
I think the rep system is OK but I think in order for it to be fair you have to post on more than one thread. I have been a poster of a certain thread since it began, within a few weeks anyway, and my post are meet with neg remarks not for my opinion but for who I am. I received so much neg rep that it was depressing and I did not know who they were from~~but I knew by the style and words of the post WHO they came from. And yes I gave some neg back and I tried to state why I disagreed. I think probably it is a wonderful idea on most boards and since I have interests in several boards I do not worry about it. LOL, we all know who we are and what we stand for just be happy with yourself and let the neg reps give you a good chuckle. I bout laughed myself to death when the system first came out and all my bad reps came, I even pmed Freshwater to see if I might just plum disappear!!!

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by Jayelles

My vote is that we keep it but make all the comments public. This way we can see who is voting for whom and why. I think this will make the system more meaningful.

At the moment, someone could have 200 reputation points, but we don't know whether that's made up of 8 positives or 20 positives and 10 negatives etc etc

By making the comments public, we could see who is using the system correctly and who is abusing it. I have given positive votes to people whose opinion I disagree with, but who presented interesting arguments in a polite manner and their posts made me think. Yet another poster admitted giving me a neg just becasue she disagreed with what I'd said.

In some respects, removing the anonymity of the voting is a double edged sword. It certainly has reduced (maybe even eliminated) the blank negs but some people might be wary of giving a legitimate neg for fear of retaliation out of pure spite - and let's face it, the people most likely to earn legitimate negs are quite likely to be the types who would do this! If the comments were public, it would allow everyone to decide whether they felt reputation had been earned fairly and squarely ... or not.

I second that...

This is an excellent suggestion...since the results of post approval or disapproval are public, which is the "user reputation" then it would be fair to make the backup info of those results public as well..

[Jayelles]

Originally Posted by attorneywan2be

I second that...

This is an excellent suggestion...since the results of post approval or disapproval are public, which is the "user reputation" then it would be fair to make the backup info of those results public as well..

I'm too sexy for my post...

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by Jayelles

I'm too sexy for my post...

LOL.........

[hypnotized]

I will suggest that it might be more interesting/valuable to keep the rep point system board specific. That might keep the "games" minimized on each board.

[Atok]

That idea piques my interest Hypno... If it isn't too difficult I think it would be very telling indeed. I can see how someone would have a glowing rep at one case and a devil rep at another and then there would be people whose rep is the same everywhere and I think that would really be the real proof in the pudding as to their true nature.

Interesting to think about...

[lorettalockhorn]

Originally Posted by Jayelles

I'm too sexy for my post...

Too funny!

Seriously, I just realized that I can't give rep to peeps that I have given rep to before. WTH is up with that? Do I really, really have to give negative rep or fake positive rep to someone who consistently drags down a thread in order to give points to people who contribute?

If so, get rid of it!

[FDInLaw]

Originally Posted by Jayelles

I'm too sexy for my post...

Of course you are, Darling!

Now, I'm gonna have that song in my head all day!

[lorettalockhorn]

Originally Posted by susieQ

Who cares? Just be confident in yourself and your posting. Whether I do or don't have brownie points won't keep me away, and I don't have to be in the majority to feel comfortable. Everyone's opinion of whom drags down the thread is different. I guess it just depends on what side of view you are on in the thread.

My bad. I think that my post went way over your head. I'm not talking about my rep, I'm saying that I would like to increase someone else's rep. Sorry that I didn't make that clear enough for you to understand. I'm confident in my own posts and didn't even know what the rep thing was until recently. The only two negative reps that I've gotten came from an argumentative, unpleasant type so I didn't take it seriously, believe me.

Unlike some, I haven't given any negative reps. And certainly wouldn't do so just because someone has a different opinion. That would be the MO of someone who gets up on the wrong side of the bed every day of the world. I've just never been a believer in the positive aspects of negative reinforcement.

[Jayelles]

Originally Posted by susieQ

Who cares? Just be confident in yourself and your posting. Whether I do or don't have brownie points won't keep me away, and I don't have to be in the majority to feel comfortable. Everyone's opinion of whom drags down the thread is different. I guess it just depends on what side of view you are on in the thread.

I agree with this statement. I have a continued professional interest in group dynamics because it's a major factor in bullying which is something I have to deal with regularly (I'm a teacher). It's a recognised fact that internet forums are a great place to observe group behaviour and they are often used as examples on courses which I have been on.

Anyway, I have noted one poster who is constantly rude to others and yet his/her reputation goes up and up. It therefore seems to me that some members must be giving this person positive reputation points for making rude posts!

Now this fits into the group dynamics of the bully because bullies cannot function without peer support. Forums such as this have several different groups. The forum as a whole is a group, then there are sub-groups who may follow a particular case or who share RL interests. Invariably, within these sub-groups you'll have factions on either side of the fence. Some are capable of polite discussion and others are not and will attack each other - whether blatantly or by using sarcasm. The reputation system has definitely curbed a lot of the more blatant behaviour but statistically, there will be the odd few posters who don't give a hoot and who will risk an infraction for the satisfaction of making an attack. It is my guess (based on the study of group behaviour) that there are others who refrain from attacking because they fear the consequences of an infraction, but who will still "join in" by rewarding the bolder member who doesn't give a hoot with positive reputation points for making the attack!

[FDInLaw]

Originally Posted by lorettalockhorn

My bad. I think that my post went way over your head. I'm not talking about my rep, I'm saying that I would like to increase someone else's rep. Sorry that I didn't make that clear enough for you to understand. I'm confident in my own posts and didn't even know what the rep thing was until recently. The only two negative reps that I've gotten came from an argumentative, unpleasant type so I didn't take it seriously, believe me.

Unlike some, I haven't given any negative reps. And certainly wouldn't do so just because someone has a different opinion. That would be the MO of someone who gets up on the wrong side of the bed every day of the world. I've just never been a believer in the positive aspects of negative reinforcement.

*FD stumping over to administer some therapy*

Girl! What's all this? Been posting with you for some time now and I gotta say I think you're losing perspective. If someone is constantly attacking you on the side and leaving negative feed back when you have not given any, take it for what it is. That person has obviously stooped to level where you don't need to go. Whatever is going on, it's time to shake it off. We need your head on Nona's board! DFTT!

(A side note, when you put someone on "Ignore" you can no longer see their negative feed back on your CP. Just a thought. If this is what is getting you down, put the person on Iggy and be done with it! )

[lorettalockhorn]

Originally Posted by Jayelles

I agree with this statement. I have a continued professional interest in group dynamics because it's a major factor in bullying which is something I have to deal with regularly (I'm a teacher). It's a recognised fact that internet forums are a great place to observe group behaviour and they are often used as examples on courses which I have been on.

Anyway, I have noted one poster who is constantly rude to others and yet his/her reputation goes up and up. It therefore seems to me that some members must be giving this person positive reputation points for making rude posts!

Now this fits into the group dynamics of the bully because bullies cannot function without peer support. Forums such as this have several different groups. The forum as a whole is a group, then there are sub-groups who may follow a particular case or who share RL interests. Invariably, within these sub-groups you'll have factions on either side of the fence. Some are capable of polite discussion and others are not and will attack each other - whether blatantly or by using sarcasm. The reputation system has definitely curbed a lot of the more blatant behaviour but statistically, there will be the odd few posters who don't give a hoot and who will risk an infraction for the satisfaction of making an attack. It is my guess (based on the study of group behaviour) that there are others who refrain from attacking because they fear the consequences of an infraction, but who will still "join in" by rewarding the bolder member who doesn't give a hoot with positive reputation points for making the attack!

Agree. SQ has made it clear that she not only doesn't give a hoot; she doesn't give a shi#*. Personally, I think that only lowers a person's credibility. Ironically the people with the negative attitudes are often striving the hardest to make their position understood and respected.

[Jayelles]

I think we need to chill out:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Mli...elated&search=

[FDInLaw]

Originally Posted by Jayelles

I think we need to chill out:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Mli...elated&search=

:lol: Oh, you are too funny!

Here's one of my favorite "shake it off" songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFdpnSu57U

Anyone else got a favorite to share? What calms you down?

[lorettalockhorn]

Maybe not calming, but def one of my favorite mvids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxPxpSvXQ8

[FDInLaw]

Originally Posted by lorettalockhorn

Maybe not calming, but def one of my favorite mvids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyxPxpSvXQ8

Oh, I remember that one from when I was a kid!

The use of humor is a great way to calm down.

In light of your experiences, Loretta, what is your opinion of the reputation system? Do you like it or do you think it should go?

[lorettalockhorn]

Originally Posted by FDInLaw

Oh, I remember that one from when I was a kid!

The use of humor is a great way to calm down.

In light of your experiences, Loretta, what is your opinion of the reputation system? Do you like it or do you think it should go?

I don't really have an opinion; haven't voted yet. I've gotten a couple of dings, but they weren't constructive; just name calling. So I really don't know how to improve the particular post. Ya know?

[Jayelles]

I think the rep system has just brought different problems with it, I've been flamed for my reputation level. When FW got the changes done all those hidden reps suddenly showed up and so I went from having one grey square to 4 greens and was accused of having engineered some kind of funny business!

I've seen other posters with high reputations being accused of getting them by "working the boards".

I think it's a distraction. I'm all in favour of infractions, but as a merit system, I don't think the reps are working as they could.

[FDInLaw]

There are situations were the rep system is abused but for the most part I see it as positive. I genuinely enjoy letting others know I appreciate what they have to say. I usually try to go out of my way to find a reason to give a person I disagree with positive feed back. IMO this is a great way to foster good will on the boards. The times where I have received positive feed back in this manner has meant a lot to me. The ultimate value of the reputation system rest solely on how we the users choose to view it and use it. MOO

[lorettalockhorn]

The problem that I have with it, is that since I have a tendency to stay in the Nona Dirksmeyer forum, I can't give +s to people that are consistently logical and able to express their thoughts in a positive manner. It's hard to spread the rep around to posters that I'm familiar with without being forced to go in search of good posts in cases that aren't of primary interests.

I don't give negative rep; if a poster is out of line enough that I have negative thoughts about his/her post, I'll simply report it. There have been some that I should have reported but didn't, which was irresponsible on my part.

[LindaA]

I voted to eliminate it. If you tell the truth to someone when you disapprove of their post, they send you nasty PMs.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by FDInLaw

:lol: Oh, you are too funny!

Here's one of my favorite "shake it off" songs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omFdpnSu57U

Anyone else got a favorite to share? What calms you down?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=el8me...%2Fcarpen0ktem