PA - Haines Family Massacre

[Serendipitous1]

A triple homicide is unfolding in Lancaster County. A couple - Thomas Alan Haines and his wife, Lisa Ann (Brown) Haines - and their 16-year-old son, Kevin, were apparently stabbed to death in their home early Saturday morning.
http://www.wgal.com/news/13308268/detail.html

A daughter, Margaret Leigh (Maggie) Haines, recently returned home from college, was allegedly asleep in her bedroom when she heard a noise and some type of scuffling sound. She got up and went to her mother's room. There, she saw her dad lying on the bed and her mother on the edge of the bed. The mother quietly told Margaret to get out and get help. Margaret left the house, went to a neighbor's and called 911. Officials said Margaret did not see an intruder or any suspects. When officers arrived about five minutes later, they found the couple dead in the bedroom and Kevin in a hallway. They did not recover a weapon. The back door to the home was found open.
http://www.wgal.com/news/13317694/detail.html

Rumors swirl around the mystery.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204235

Police have clues...but no weapon, and no announced motive or suspects. Meanwhile, the community is on edge.
http://forums.ibsys.com/viewmessages...23&Topic=15876

Neffsville Mennonite Church plans to host Blossom Hill Mennonite and Saint Peter’s Lutheran for a community prayer service on Wednesday night.
http://www.wgal.com/news/13319778/detail.html

[packy]

It seems so strange that no one saw anyone leaving or lurking around so far. Is it true that there another invasion/attempt close by?

[Serendipitous1]

Originally Posted by packy

It seems so strange that no one saw anyone leaving or lurking around so far. Is it true that there another invasion/attempt close by?

The incident apparently occurred about 2-2:30 a.m. I would not expect many people would be moving around the neighborhood at that time of night.

There was a home invasion about 7 miles away, near Lititz, last night. Police say they do not believe that burglary is connected to the triple slaying in Manheim Township about seven miles away.

http://www.wgal.com/news/13328822/detail.html
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204277

[Serendipitous1]

Verbatim news release from the Manheim Township Police Department, sent to news organizations today:

"Once again we are appealing to the public for information relevant to the Haines family homicide.

We are seeking a suspect who would be unaccounted for between the approximate hours of 1:00AM and 3:00AM (Friday night into Saturday morning), May 12, 2007. If you know this person, you may not think they are capable of this type of crime. They may also have fabricated an alibi concerning their whereabouts during this time frame. They may not have a prior record of violence. Additionally, the suspect may have injuries to their hands, arms or other parts of their body.

If you know someone fitting this profile, please call the Manheim Township Police Department at (717) 569-6401.

At this time, we have no reason to believe the incident that occurred in Warwick Township last night is connected or linked to the incident in Manheim Township."

http://www.wgal.com/news/13332252/detail.html

[Serendipitous1]

Watching the video interview on WGAL (linked above), when asked about a possible connection to the triple slaying, Warwick Township Police Chief Richard Garipoli was adamant that there was none. By way of explanation, he made a point that the arrested individual was 36 years old and was a local resident. He continued that he had spoken with Manheim Township investigators. And at that point it seemed like he wanted to explain further, but thought better of it.

Couple that with the Manheim Police profile of someone who might have been unaccounted for early Saturday morning, who may have fabricated an alibi; a person one might think incapable of this type of crime, and who may not have a prior record of violence; someone who may have injuries to their hands, arms or other parts of their body. It seems like police are leaning toward someone rather young, someone local, maybe someone known to the family...perhaps someone in Kevin's (or Mattie's) circle of friends/acquaintances.

[Serendipitous1]

Neighbors gather to remember Haineses:
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204326

Killer may be hurt - Professor calls case similar to book:
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204327

Manheim Township police Lt. Wayne Wagner said investigators have already received numerous tips from the public, and some have developed into promising leads. Investigators are asking the public to cast a suspicious eye and look around for someone who fits the profile of the killer, and report anyone who was unaccounted for from 1 to 3 a.m. on the day of the killings. There may have been some injuries to the killer.

Joel Eigen, a sociology professor at Franklin & Marshall College who teaches criminology classes, compared the slayings to those described in the book "In Cold Blood", by Truman Capote (the family is murdered by intruders, and no one knows what happened. There is no motive. It's all not clear).

[Serendipitous1]

A combined obituary for Tom, Lisa and Kevin Haines was posted online today:
http://obits.lancasteronline.com/ind...bit_id=1891100

A Memorial Service will be held on Saturday, May 19, 2007 at 10:30 AM at Otterbein United Methodist Church, 20 E. Clay St., Lancaster, PA. Memorial contributions in Tom, Lisa & Kevin's memory may be made to the Haines Family Scholarship Fund, c/o Manheim Twp. School District, Box 5134, Lancaster, PA 17606.

The online book of condolences:
http://obits.lancasteronline.com/ind...bit_id=1891100

[Serendipitous1]

Manheim Township Police Chief Neil Harkins:
"We believe that there is a potential profile of the person who did this... It could be anyone." Police also said the perpetrator may have injuries. "While I am not clear on what those injuries could be, but we are telling people look for injuries such as cuts and bruises -- anything noticeable and fairly new since the weekend."

Sgt. Tom Rudzinski of the Manheim Township Police Department:
"It almost seems like we're looking for someone in the vicinity and somebody that's local, but that's not really necessarily true. It could be somebody from out of the area. And maybe somebody hears the information or sees the broadcast and maybe they know that their boyfriend or their girlfriend wasn't around between that time period, or a family member, and they have some really weird marks on their arms, and they just can't be explained. We'd like to hear about that."

http://www.wgal.com/news/13336931/detail.html

[TN_Profiler]

Based on the coroners remarks on Greta tonight this was a brutal encounter. Not that a total stranger can be ruled out at this point but "over kills" are more common when the perp knows the victims and extreme emotions are at work.

The coroner believes the weapon is a single knife and that leans towards a single perp. They also mentioned the perp may have cuts.

My fingers are crossed that DNA and good policing will solve this case. It is a very sad ending and my thoughts are with the community.

Tragic.

[Mishell1383]

You think the daughter could have done it? I have no idea, I just don't understand why she wasn't among the victims?

[Serendipitous1]

Manheim Township police made another appeal to the public for information that could be useful in identifying a suspect. Residents should be on the lookout for anyone with fresh cuts or bruises on their hands and arms and someone who was unaccounted for between 1 and 3 a.m. Saturday. More investigators were assigned to the investigation yesterday. They are acting on promising leads but have yet to identify any suspects.

An FBI profiler is expected to provide police with a clearer depiction of the killer and his/her motive. Police said they aren't sure if the killer is male or female and if the stabbing deaths were random acts or if the family was targeted.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204441

With killers on the loose, police urged people to lock their doors and turn their lights on. Apparently, many county residents are doing that and more. Sales of home-security systems, handguns, shotguns and pepper spray are up in response to the recent violent crimes.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204440

I too hope that good police work will solve this case. Listening to Sgt. Rudzinski on WGAL, I got the sense that police do have evidence on the killer. Maybe they are waiting on lab results. But the appeal to the public for information and calling in an FBI profiler may also mean police cannot link the evidence to any known suspect. My overall impression of the news reporting this week is that the killer may have no prior record of violence - someone (probably young) who no one would suspect of such a horrific crime.

[Serendipitous1]

Originally Posted by Mishell1383

You think the daughter could have done it? I have no idea, I just don't understand why she wasn't among the victims?

The limited information made public so far (some of it rather odd) has fueled public speculation about Maggie in other forums. In news conferences, police have said that they have no evidence linking Maggie to the crime, and seem to have all but ruled her out. If they have ruled her out, I wish they would announce it so that the speculation would end, rather than adding to this young woman's unimaginable grief.

[Mishell1383]

Originally Posted by Serendipitous1

The limited information made public so far (some of it rather odd) has fueled public speculation about Maggie in other forums. In news conferences, police have said that they have no evidence linking Maggie to the crime, and seem to have all but ruled her out. If they have ruled her out, I wish they would announce it so that the speculation would end, rather than adding to this young woman's unimaginable grief.

I hear ya, it would be better if they did announce it, however, if they dont say anything about ruling her out, maybe someone will get cocky and think shes the suspect, and get themselves caught. I just hope whoever did this does not get away with it.

For the Haines family, May they Rest In Peace

[TN_Profiler]

My initial thoughts about the daughter are this: based on the nature of the crime it would be impossible/near impossible for her to have committed them and not be covered in blood. Also, the police have suggested the perp may have cuts. This will be important if they find DNA that doesn't belong to anyone in the family.

If the daughter did it I would think it would be hard for her to conceal it for the reasons above but also the psychological impact of committing such a crime would be visible to LE.

It's possible that someone she knows could have committed this crime. Although I have seen this type of crime committed by complete strangers, statistically this crime points to a person who knew the family in some way, shape or form.

Police are no doubt running down neighbors, co-workers, friends, family, etc.... checking all logical connections to this family.

Still a very puzzling crime at this point.

[packy]

Originally Posted by Serendipitous1

The incident apparently occurred about 2-2:30 a.m. I would not expect many people would be moving around the neighborhood at that time of night.

There was a home invasion about 7 miles away, near Lititz, last night. Police say they do not believe that burglary is connected to the triple slaying in Manheim Township about seven miles away.

http://www.wgal.com/news/13328822/detail.html
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204277

Thanks, that was the one I had heard about.

You're right at that hour not many may be moving about. I was hoping someone heard a car, someone running, or had seen someone suspicious earlier or something. Dogs barking and waking someone up etc.

[Serendipitous1]

Originally Posted by packy

<Snip>
You're right at that hour not many may be moving about. I was hoping someone heard a car, someone running, or had seen someone suspicious earlier or something. Dogs barking and waking someone up etc.

There was another stabbing incident that night, about 5 miles away in East Hempfield Township. Police responded to an apartment complex at 11:18 p.m. Friday, and determined it was a domestic dispute between a man and woman (neither named). Both were transported to Lancaster General, treated and released. No word on when they were released from the hospital, or if either was arrested.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204197

[Serendipitous1]

As I post this, the saddened family and friends are gathered at the memorial service. According to WGAL yesterday, crime stoppers has offered a thousand dollar reward for information leading to the killer. I hope individuals and businesses will add to the reward, especially if this investigation drags on without a suspect.

Crime writer David Lohr ( http://www.crimelibrary.com/about/au...ohr/index.html ) has written an interesting article about the Haines family triple homicide (dated May 17) in the Crime Library ( http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori...y_murders.html ). One passage in particular caught my attention, because I had not heard some of this from any other source (other than speculation) before - "...Margaret 'Maggie' Haines, 20, was awakened by a commotion coming from her brother's bedroom. When she went to investigate, she heard her mother call to her from her bedroom. When she stepped inside, she found her mother, Lisa Ann, 47, sitting on the edge of her bed, bleeding profusely from a wound to her stomach. Barely conscious, Lisa told her daughter to 'go get help.' Maggie quickly ran next door to a neighbor's house and called 911."

My opinion: Although Lohr did not name the source of this information, it seems plausible. If the parents were alerted to a break in, I would expect an emergency call could have been made from the house and the parents would have immediately moved from their bedroom to gather and protect their children. If the parents were alerted merely by a noise (which they might have attributed to one of the kids being up), the father might have moved from the bedroom to investigate and the mother might have gone to check the children’s bedrooms. But if the father had encountered the perpetrator elsewhere in the house, I would expect he would have retreated and/or yelled to alert the others while defending himself.

Nothing was reportedly taken from the house and there were no signs of forced entry, although the back door was standing open when police arrived. It seems that the perpetrator’s intention was murder, and the actor accessed the house with enough stealth to take 3 lives with little commotion. From the pictures and other information online, the house is fairly complex. There appears to be the original, 2-story house with basement, a living area over garage added to one side, and a ground-level addition on the opposite side. I can only conjecture how access to the house was gained without forcible entry. But it seems to me the perpetrator had to know the room layout in order to accomplish this deed with so little commotion.

Apparently there was no yell or scream. And if Lohr’s account is correct, the parents had not made it out of their bedroom - the father likely dead, and the mother mortally wounded. By all accounts published so far, Maggie was not involved. It seems plausible that the killer knew the parents and son were there but not the daughter who had recently returned home from college. She was awakened by a scuffling sound from her brother’s bedroom and he was later found in an upstairs hallway. While it seems plausible that the killer may still have been in her brother’s room when Maggie arose to investigate, it seems more likely that the killer had already exited the house.

[TN_Profiler]

The fact the daughter had come home within a day of this event I think is an important aspect. It could very well explain why she was not attacked. The killer may not have known she was there.

Based on the estimated time of the crime (2 am) and no visible forced entry, I theorize the victims were probably attacked in their sleep. If a person suffers a fatal and deep cut to their throat then they are probably not going to be able to generate a loud enough noise that would wake someone sleeping on a separate floor.

I do find the wound inflicted on the mother to be unusual in the sense that she was only stabbed once in the stomach. This allowed her to speak which is a very different type of wound found on the father and son. They (according to the coroner) suffered mulitple and extensive wounds to the neck and chest. He likened them to wounds associated with "over kills".

I wonder why they were killed in such a fashion but the mother was wounded only once, albeit fatally?

I agree with the poster above, with a complex layout of the house it would be logical that the killer had been in the house prior.

[Serendipitous1]

Yesterday police released a notice that Lancaster City-County Crime Stoppers is offering a reward of up to $1,000 for information — even from an anonymous source — that could help police catch the killer. Anyone with relevant information can call Crime Stoppers at 1-800-322-1913, or Manheim Township Police at 569-6401.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204493

Parents and teachers need to know how to help students cope with this tragedy. A bereavement counselor and several other crisis specialists will lead a seminar for all interested parents in the Manheim Township School District. Children 14 and older are welcome to attend the event inside the high school's auditorium at 7:30 p.m. on Monday.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204496

[Serendipitous1]

Hundreds of mourners remembered the victims during this morning's memorial service Saturday at Otterbein UMC. Mrs. Haines' brother, Tom Brown, implored the perpetrator of the unsolved crime to "come forward and ask forgiveness."
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204506
http://local.lancasteronline.com/5/2...AINES_MEMORIAL
http://local.lancasteronline.com/5/2...NES_MEMORIAL_2

[Serendipitous1]

Police say they have received tons of tips in this case and they are trying to narrow it down to one or two possible theories to their deaths. They don't expect to release any more information this weekend but more information is expected to be released on Monday.
http://www.whptv.com/mostpopular/sto...9-1080104c20f7

[dallasvic]

IMO I really don't think the daughter did it. She had just moved back home.I believe a day or to before this happened. This tell me that the perp might not have known she was even there thats why she is alive, but I am sure at this point she wishes she was not because in just in a matter of minutes her whole family is go and she is alone.
My Heart And Prayers Are With You Maggie

[Serendipitous1]

Tom Brown, Mrs. Haines' brother, implored the culprit "to come forward and ask forgiveness of Maggie" and her family. "I say this to you knowing full well that the killer of our loved ones might be in the audience today." The Rev. Robert A. Bailey noted that "There is great anger" over the killings and counseled against the urge for retaliation.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204525

[dallasvic]

This is a very hard one to figure. I believe it was someone they knew and that person did not know that the daughter was there are she would not be alive either. Maggie had just moved back home 2 days before the murders.
This person would have known the layout of the house and who slept were. The boy and his father were stabbed multiple time so they could have been the main targets. The mother was not a threat so they just stabbed her once , but she died a slow death.
The son was well known in school and was the writer of the school paper and on quiz team and well liked.This just looks like them sweetest family in the world that everyone liked ,well not everyone!
Maybe this on they can find somethings on their PC that might help.
Murder for money like life insurance!!!!!!

[Serendipitous1]

My opinion: The police really need to come forward with more information on this investigation...soon! They need to rule Maggie out if at all possible. And Tom Brown's remarks at the funeral service (which I can totally understand) reinforce my belief that the killer may have some connection to the family - that this was not a random act.

[Serendipitous1]

There is a companion discussion on CourtTV message boards: Murder Mystery in Lancaster PA (Haines Family)
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread...0&pagenumber=1

[Serendipitous1]

I do not know what to make of this:

"Manheim Township Police say they received a call of suspicious activity at a home at 85 Peach Lane. That call came in just before 2:30 Saturday morning."
http://www.whptv.com/mostpopular/sto...a-e574450bffab

"Suspicious Activity"? Did Maggie actually make that call, or did the neighbor have to do it? Did Maggie know the full extent of the emergency? Or was this perhaps just the "fog" of early reporting?

Also, there are many photos of Maggie still online. I would have thought police, or family, or Maggie herself would have shut them down long ago, to help protect her if there is a killer on the loose.

[Serendipitous1]

A major focus of the Haines family killings investigation is happening at Manheim Township High School, where investigators have been questioning students. Asked if Kevin Haines was harassed or picked on at school, MTP Sgt. Thomas Rudzinski said, "I can't comment. That's definitely one of the theories, but I won't say whether that's a valid theory."
http://www.wgal.com/news/13359723/detail.html

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by Serendipitous1

A major focus of the Haines family killings investigation is happening at Manheim Township High School, where investigators have been questioning students. Asked if Kevin Haines was harassed or picked on at school, MTP Sgt. Thomas Rudzinski said, "I can't comment. That's definitely one of the theories, but I won't say whether that's a valid theory."
http://www.wgal.com/news/13359723/detail.html

Hi S1,
Really wanted to thank you for posting the links on this case. I am very interested in this case for some reason. They look like the Leave It To Beaver family and sound like it also.
I went to the CTV forum from the link you posted and I could not find it there. I don't know my way around there that was my first time, but if you could tell me where to go on there I surely love to hear what they are saying. It seems to me that there are not very many here posting about but you and I Please Keep ME informed . I will be very grateful. A am going to do some search and see if I can find anything new!!!
I one of my earlier post I stated that this person knew the lay- out of the house, because if they had not known they would have been stumbling around in the dark and someone would have heard them. Maggie stated she heard a rustling sound that I am sure woke her, but concerting that it sounds to me like this person went to the parents room first, being that parent tin to be lighter sleeps the kids and a adult would be a bigger threat then the son.The stabbed the father first numerous times and the mother once then proceeded to Kevin's room and struggled with him as they stabbed him numerous time and that is the noise is sister heard was Kevin and the perp.
By the time she got to the hall headed to Kevin's room were she said she was headed her mother calls for her and she enters her parents room to find her mother on the side of the bed after being stabbed once.And was told to go to a neighbors and call 911. Kevin was found in the hallway. She just missed being killed herself if her mother had not called for her I bet cause she was headed to his room in the first place. I truly do not think the perp knew Maggie was in the house.
I would like to hear you theory if you have one ?
And again thats for the links

[Serendipitous1]

I am not sure why clicking on the link I posted would not take you directly to the right message board at courttv.com, but if you get to the main index, open the "Current Crimes" board. Then open "Murder Mystery in Lancaster PA (Haines Family). Or just use the search feature. There are not that many posting there either. You can also use google to find other discussions elsewhere on the net.

The search for the killer has led to Manheim Township High School where investigators have been conducting interviews in recent days. Investigators said they are trying to determine if anyone bullied Kevin or considered him an enemy. Police also have spoken with co-workers and friends of Tom and Lisa Haines.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/204575

My opinion: I have not heard any mention of investigators probing at Bucknell University. I suppose Maggie's college friends had also gone home at the end of the semester, making interviews more difficult. Other than what I have already posted, I do not have a particular theory.

[Mishell1383]

I think the killer was gone when she woke up, and the rustling noise was kevin crawling towards the hallway. I also think the killer was not aware she was home as well. I believe the killer attacked the father first because he is the biggest threat, than maybe stabbed the mother once, and heard kevin? So maybe he got interupted by him when stabbing the mother, (as she was stabbed once) also I think it was an attack on the parents and Kevin was a witness. I dunno this is all just my opinion of course and it could be totally wrong, but oh well !

[Serendipitous1]

Early this morning police arrested four people in the Diener shooting, as a result of a tip call that was placed to Crime Stoppers.
http://www.wgal.com/news/13372192/detail.html

My opinion: rewards for information can work. Boost the reward in the Haines family killings, and maybe the right tip will come. It has been rumored elsewhere that police have identified a person of interest from Kevin's high school. But that is probably all that it is...a rumor.

[dallasvic]

Have some good news. LP has finally received some leads they are following up. They are being tight lipped about the leads. Along with the leads they have gotten tips from concerned neighbors. The story is at lancasteronline.com

[Serendipitous1]

For any who fancy Brian's Dream Drawings (I do not), there is one dated May 19, 2007 ("Maggie Haines R - SSRI Kills Again")
http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5510.htm

[Serendipitous1]

Originally Posted by Serendipitous1

For any who fancy Brian's Dream Drawings (I do not), there is one dated May 19, 2007 ("Maggie Haines R - SSRI Kills Again")
http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5510.htm

Forgot to add that SSRI could refer to antidepressant drugs which some have alleged are connected to homicides, suicides, etc. But, in my opinion, that was an "easy" dream to have had a week after the murders made national headlines.

[Mishell1383]

Originally Posted by Serendipitous1

For any who fancy Brian's Dream Drawings (I do not), there is one dated May 19, 2007 ("Maggie Haines R - SSRI Kills Again")
http://www.briansprediction.com/dd/5510.htm

this guy is fulla bologna IMO

[Livia]

What a horrific crime! I remember now hearing something about it on TV, but only in passing....a total tragedy. Poor Maggie, can you imagine losing your entire family in one night?! And to die such horrible, violent deaths too.

I agree--it does sound very likely that it was someone who knew the family. And whoever it was obviously believed that Maggie was still off at college, or she very likely would have been murdered too.

Very odd too that while the father and son were so viciously stabbed, the mother suffered only one (albeit fatal) stab wound--and in the stomach?! I don't mean to sound ghoulish, but that doesn't seem to be a very efficient way of dispatching someone (altho, poor soul, it worked in her case--but not before she was able to speak to her daughter). How could the killer not know that she might say, "X did this?"??

I think Mishell might have a good point in suggesting that Kevin interrupted the attack on his mother--this might well explain why she suffered only one stab wound. The killer could have thought that Kevin was a bigger threat than the mother, and left her wounded to "take care of" Kevin.

But if Kevin was the "real" target (which is what the police seem to be implying) why wasn't he killed first? Why kill the parents at all, for that matter?

This is a real mystery. Not to mention a true human tragedy. I really, really hope it is solved soon, whoever did this is one cold-blooded killer.

Serendipitous, thanks so much for bringing this to our attention, and do please continue to keep us updated! I very much want to see this killer caught!!!

God bless poor Maggie and her family.

[Mishell1383]

Originally Posted by Livia

What a horrific crime! I remember now hearing something about it on TV, but only in passing....a total tragedy. Poor Maggie, can you imagine losing your entire family in one night?! And to die such horrible, violent deaths too.

I agree--it does sound very likely that it was someone who knew the family. And whoever it was obviously believed that Maggie was still off at college, or she very likely would have been murdered too.

Very odd too that while the father and son were so viciously stabbed, the mother suffered only one (albeit fatal) stab wound--and in the stomach?! I don't mean to sound ghoulish, but that doesn't seem to be a very efficient way of dispatching someone (altho, poor soul, it worked in her case--but not before she was able to speak to her daughter). How could the killer not know that she might say, "X did this?"??

I think Mishell might have a good point in suggesting that Kevin interrupted the attack on his mother--this might well explain why she suffered only one stab wound. The killer could have thought that Kevin was a bigger threat than the mother, and left her wounded to "take care of" Kevin.

But if Kevin was the "real" target (which is what the police seem to be implying) why wasn't he killed first? Why kill the parents at all, for that matter?

This is a real mystery. Not to mention a true human tragedy. I really, really hope it is solved soon, whoever did this is one cold-blooded killer.

Serendipitous, thanks so much for bringing this to our attention, and do please continue to keep us updated! I very much want to see this killer caught!!!

God bless poor Maggie and her family.

I wish when the mom told maggie to get help she blurted out a name, but I guess things can't be that easy, and when your stabbed I'm sure thats not the first thing you think of. imo

[Serendipitous1]

I have no idea if it is connected, but at a meeting on April 19, the MT School Board ratified the decision of the Judiciary Committee in the case of a student violation of School Board Policies 227 (Controlled Substances) and 218.1 (Weapons). The name and grade of the student are not mentioned.
http://www.mtwp.net/index2.php?optio...907_bd_min.pdf

On the weapons violation, the policy is expulsion for at least one year, in conformance with formal due process proceedings required by law, and the Superintendent may recommend modifications of such expulsion requirement on a case-by-case basis.
http://www.w1w.cc/psba/Districts_Pol...ntents.htm#200

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by Serendipitous1

I have no idea if it is connected, but at a meeting on April 19, the MT School Board ratified the decision of the Judiciary Committee in the case of a student violation of School Board Policies 227 (Controlled Substances) and 218.1 (Weapons). The name and grade of the student are not mentioned.
http://www.mtwp.net/index2.php?optio...907_bd_min.pdf

On the weapons violation, the policy is expulsion for at least one year, in conformance with formal due process proceedings required by law, and the Superintendent may recommend modifications of such expulsion requirement on a case-by-case basis.
http://www.w1w.cc/psba/Districts_Pol...ntents.htm#200

Hi S1,

Can you explain where this comes in ? Just give me your opinion would be fine ? Thanks!! An thanks for keeping us up to date.