The Murder of Channon Christian/Christopher Newsom

[User615]

I am surprised I have not seen more about this on the message boards. This is about as ugly as it gets.

[User615]

Originally Posted by BeautifulOne

That is so SO, SOOOO cruel!!! It's a black-on-white crime. So expect to see it on every KKK and Nazi site or forum.

I wasn't aware we had rules about skin color when posting crimes. Seems you have issues about it. Sad you aren't more concerned about the victims. I guess you have your own agenda.

[kristen]

My gawd, I don't think I've come across a more horrific story. I feel sick.

[CaroleNichols]

Originally Posted by BeautifulOne

I think you misunderstood me. I said it is "very very cruel" referring to what the victims went through. I then said that you'll find it on the KKK sites. I said that because you said in your post that you had not seen more on the crime on message boards. You will most likely see black-on-white murders on KKK and Nazi boards rather then crime discussions. I don't know why it's like that. I will not apologize, as it is NOT my fault that you read my statement the wrong way.

Hi Beautiful One, I agree, this is hideous, and I'm surprised I haven't already heard about it because I live in the south. Probably the reason you don't see a lot of racially mixed crimes on the message boards here is that too many people DO get heated up because of skin color.....it doesn't make it right, IMO, but if you visit other sites that do post black/white, hispanic/white, asian/black, etc....you will see the degree of abuse that is thrown at certain posters. I'm glad I haven't encountered any of that here.

[CaroleNichols]

Originally Posted by User615

I am surprised I have not seen more about this on the message boards. This is about as ugly as it gets.

Hi User615, I noticed that your link has a February date. Do you have any further information as to why these young people were treated so?

[User615]

Originally Posted by CaroleNichols

Hi User615, I noticed that your link has a February date. Do you have any further information as to why these young people were treated so?

No, I really don't. I stumbled across it through another story. As someone noted, it's been kept pretty well hidden in the media. I can only guess, that she was the "college yuppie" with the new Toyota and it was a matter of jealousy, revenge, oppression (pick any emotion you like). Car jacking is bad enough, but this is some form of real rage, which is even more scary.

[User615]

http://boards.courttv.com/showthread...hreadid=284406

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I live in the south & this is the first I've heard or seen of it.
Unbelievable. Just how unspeakably horrific.

User615, would I be correct in assuming that you had stated that you were surprised that this crime was not posted anywhere on the message board because it is a crime of particular horror & heinus?

That's the way I understood it...and I agree. You would think that this story would be front page news on our IP main page.

I just read a horror/abduction/overkill double murder crime.

I saw two tortured victims & multiple perpetrators/monsters.

If you brought up anything whatsoever in your post pertaining to skin color or race, please point it out to me, as I have re-read it & see none.

If it makes the front page of racist redneck webpages, all I can say is I will be oblivious to it, as I am not one to check those sites for a peak into their insights & headlines.

[User615]

Originally Posted by ladyg

I live in the south & this is the first I've heard or seen of it.
Unbelievable. Just how unspeakably horrific.

User615, would I be correct in assuming that you had stated that you were surprised that this crime was not posted anywhere on the message board because it is a crime of particular horror & heinus?

That's the way I understood it...and I agree. You would think that this story would be front page news on our IP main page.

I just read a horror/abduction/overkill double murder crime.

I saw two tortured victims & multiple perpetrators/monsters.

If you brought up anything whatsoever in your post pertaining to skin color or race, please point it out to me, as I have re-read it & see none.

If it makes the front page of racist redneck webpages, all I can say is I will be oblivious to it, as I am not one to check those sites for a peak into their insights & headlines.

Yes, it's selective editing. Nancy Grace spent months on Scott Peterson, but I heard she only gave this story one day. I live in TN, and I just now heard about it, so it has been "swept under the rug" so to speak. Race relations aren't the best right now, so this could be the reason it has been giving such a lowkey treatment, considering the Duke fiasco. As far as getting into it with "Beautiful One"....well...pass.

[dallasvic]

I hear you on that . I would rather spend more time talking about the case then going back and forth about things that do not apply!! Is that not what these post are far. I am new so tell me if I am wrong!! IMO

[MaggieMay]

What a dreadfully sickening crime..Those two young people, how awful.

[dallasvic]

These kids did not deserve to die like that.IMO Be jealious or not this is not exceptible. Those kids suffered daerly for no reason. What is the world coming to? to the knids and they familys

[Mishell1383]

I just noticed this story today, as well it has made me sick. I'm a little rattled by the air time anna nicole has had and as well, Imus in the morning. Something has gone horribly wrong here, and we are just finding out about this? I'm very confused and I am outraged by the pain and torture and humiliation these young folks came to endure!? Does anyone have nay updates? A trial? New Evidence? A Motive atleast?

[Athena]

Sad to say I knew about this case from other boards but shied away from it because of the racial undertone on some of them. (not all). This was a horrific crime and it doesn't matter what the race of the killers were. There is far more black on black crime in the US; why this was not publicized is beyond me unless as Carol says above it was to deter potential racial backlash but crimes like this should not buried. I haven't seen much media coverage on it at all and I can't believe some of the comments on You-tube from both black and white posters.

Those poor kids.

These guys and the woman involved deserve whatever they get and then some and I can assure all that most black people feel the same way. JMO

[Athena]

Organizers seek to end '07 violent crime wave

Five homicides in four weeks - it was clear to Nate Allen that Knoxville had a problem the police department couldn't address on its own.

http://kindralore.blogspot.com/2007/...er-newsom.html

More coverage through today:

http://www.volunteertv.com/special

[Kimbo]

Where is Al Sharpton? Hiding from this one ain't he? I just read about this on Crime Library, and am shocked that it got so little media attention.WHY NOT!is everyone scared that the blacks are gonna get mad? Well, who gives a dang.To heck with all that racism crap. A crime is a crime,not matter what color person did it.It makes me sick to have to hear all that junk every day. The young people are gonna bring this country to it's knees.No morals,no work ethics,no compassion for anyone,drugs etc...I could go on and on.To think that our Great Country is inhabited by people like these five who committed this terrible deed,is so disheartening.Everytime I watch the news about the war in Iraq, my first thought is, how are we over there fighting a war, when the war is over here? I seriously doubt that the younger generation could ever be brought under control again. What is wrong with people? oh yea, before I forget,Al needs to go to the nursing home,sit down and shut the heck up!

[Mishell1383]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

The young people are gonna bring this country to it's knees.No morals,no work ethics,no compassion for anyone,drugs etc...I could go on and on.To think that our Great Country is inhabited by people like these five who committed this terrible deed,is so disheartening.Everytime I watch the news about the war in Iraq, my first thought is, how are we over there fighting a war, when the war is over here? I seriously doubt that the younger generation could ever be brought under control again.

I dont necessarily think all young people should be classified into this one group. That isn't fair for us. I would never even dream of committing an act of murder nevermind a torturous and prolonged disturbing one. I do agree with you on the war, and that it is a "war" we have in our own country, but don't belittle us "young" people for what 5 horrific animals have succeeded in doing.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Mishell1383

I dont necessarily think all young people should be classified into this one group. That isn't fair for us. I would never even dream of committing an act of murder nevermind a torturous and prolonged disturbing one. I do agree with you on the war, and that it is a "war" we have in our own country, but don't belittle us "young" people for what 5 horrific animals have succeeded in doing.

Great post Mishell. I am presuming you are young and you responded with great poise. Kudos to you. I agree that you cannot lump any people into one category. I have a 17 year old and 21 year old and even though I'm their mother I have to say they are both well-mannered and very considerate of others and can safely venture to say they would not engage in any criminal act. This was a heinous and horrific act and I cannot even imagine........ JMO

[Mishell1383]

Thank you Athena I really appreciate that comment, especially from a forum guru such as yourself
I am young, 23. And I try hard to educate myself and stay up on current events as much as possible, maybe some members of my generation will succeed in being able to live and lead as well as the past generations beforehand. I have great hope in us.


ps. when are these maniacs going to fry !!!!! that would be an easy way out for them.. they make me sick...

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Mishell1383

Thank you Athena I really appreciate that comment, especially from a forum guru such as yourself
I am young, 23. And I try hard to educate myself and stay up on current events as much as possible, maybe some members of my generation will succeed in being able to live and lead as well as the past generations beforehand. I have great hope in us.


ps. when are these maniacs going to fry !!!!! that would be an easy way out for them.. they make me sick...

I believe the trial starts May 17th. The woman's hearing was this past Monday and she is being held on $1M so I seriously doubt she will make bail. I would imagine for the guys the bail would be much higher which is a good thing!

I hope they get what they deserve in jail -- prior to being put on death row! Even hardened criminals will hate what they did. It was a totally senseless crime! JMO

[dallasvic]

I totally agree with Mishell & Athena,

We need more young ones getting involved and taking action.A crime is a crime.You play you pay~!!!
If anything they need to use this kids as as exsamples to they world that kids can not do this to othere kinds

[TN_Profiler]

This is probably the most disturbing crime I have ever read. It is an unimagineable act of evil on every level.

I can't begin to explain how people can be so detached as to do something like this over an extended period of time. This is especially cruel when you think of how much time they had to realize what was going on and still decided to torture these innocent victims.

There isn't a punishment in our laws that is suitable for this kind of crime.

How profoundly sad for the victims and their families.

[Lauramj39]

a purely technical question...how can the female be charged with sexual assault of the male victim?? Am i correct in it seems the female was the ringleader...this whole thing is sooooo disturbing and it is even more disturbing that it has recieved so little media attention.

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by TN_Profiler

This is probably the most disturbing crime I have ever read. It is an unimagineable act of evil on every level.

I can't begin to explain how people can be so detached as to do something like this over an extended period of time. This is especially cruel when you think of how much time they had to realize what was going on and still decided to torture these innocent victims.

There isn't a punishment in our laws that is suitable for this kind of crime.

How profoundly sad for the victims and their families.

I have noticed that alot of kids do not realize what they are doing at the time until they feel they have went this far and in their minds if they don't kill the person(s) they will be witness against them, but what they don't realize is that if they had of stopped before it got out of control, the charges would not have been so severe.One person instigates the crime and others follower.So they believe it is not going to happen and once it is started they all are guilty.I believe the followers do it out of fear.For ex sample:They tell themselves if they are doing this to them and if I do not help they might do the same to me.
I believe they the crime should fit the time they spend in prison. Die a slow death.These kids all had choices and chose to kill.

[CaroleNichols]

Originally Posted by Athena

I believe the trial starts May 17th. The woman's hearing was this past Monday and she is being held on $1M so I seriously doubt she will make bail. I would imagine for the guys the bail would be much higher which is a good thing!

I hope they get what they deserve in jail -- prior to being put on death row! Even hardened criminals will hate what they did. It was a totally senseless crime! JMO

Hello, Athena. The only info I'm getting here in the south has come from the board. Do you know if the media and cameras will be allowed into the courtroom? Do you know if any of the defendents have "cut a deal" with the DA's office in exchange for their testimony against the others?
I do hope that security is increased at the courthouse, because my gut feeling is that there will be some retribution coming from "white supremists" of one faction or another.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by CaroleNichols

Hello, Athena. The only info I'm getting here in the south has come from the board. Do you know if the media and cameras will be allowed into the courtroom? Do you know if any of the defendents have "cut a deal" with the DA's office in exchange for their testimony against the others?
I do hope that security is increased at the courthouse, because my gut feeling is that there will be some retribution coming from "white supremists" of one faction or another.

Hi Carole

I do understand that there is going to be a "march" on the day of the motions which is scheduled for May 17th. I can't answer the other questions. Unfortunately in looking up info I ventured into some cites that I would not even want to post a link to but you'll find them quickly enough.

I have to say though that there are both sensible, decent white and black folks commenting on some of the nasty comments so that is a relief. If you read the www.volunteer link (sorry forgot the whole link) above it is basically just factual coverage and takes you from the time they were reported missing and actually has a copy of the warrants issued. One of the guys was not indicted for the kidnapping, raping and murder charge but is being charged as an accomplice in the car-jacking. I believe the woman has also been charged with rape but it appears to have been a horrific crime.

I don't know if a plea bargain will be offered; I haven't read that and I certainly hope it is not. I have read though that it is still undecided whether the death penalty will be sought. Death might just be too easy. They should be put in with the hardened criminals that hate rapists and child molesters.

One of the articles I read actually described in detail what happened and ended with a statement that death was a relief from what they had endured. I cry every single time I read an article about what happened to these poor kids not including that my stomach churns and my throat tightens up. OMG - it is just heinous.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

I have noticed that alot of kids do not realize what they are doing at the time until they feel they have went this far and in their minds if they don't kill the person(s) they will be witness against them, but what they don't realize is that if they had of stopped before it got out of control, the charges would not have been so severe.One person instigates the crime and others follower.So they believe it is not going to happen and once it is started they all are guilty.I believe the followers do it out of fear.For ex sample:They tell themselves if they are doing this to them and if I do not help they might do the same to me.
I believe they the crime should fit the time they spend in prison. Die a slow death.These kids all had choices and chose to kill.

You know what though -- that may be true in some cases where things start out as a prank or dare you..... but this case is not really not about that. All of the people involved in this were beyond cruel. This is going way beyond what you are suggesting. I think that with children killing other children or like the incident where teens set that homeless man on fire maybe -- but not this. This is was incomprehensible. Have you read the entire description of events? It is totally sickening. This was beyond "follow the leader". I think fear may have been what stopped neighbors from reporting they heard something because they were afraid of these guys and repercussions.JMO

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Lauramj39

a purely technical question...how can the female be charged with sexual assault of the male victim?? Am i correct in it seems the female was the ringleader...this whole thing is sooooo disturbing and it is even more disturbing that it has recieved so little media attention.

I have the same question re: her being involved in the rape but I did not read she was the ringleader. I read that the ringleader was her boyfriend. Maybe because she helped hold them down or something like that? She is 18 and her boyfriend I believe is 23. Two of the guys are brothers and one has not been indicated on the kidnapping, rape and murder only the carjacking. It's in the links above.

[Athena]

I was just talking to my H about this case and I asked him how this girl could be charged with rape and he said it's possible she may have used a foreign object and that is also considered rape.

[Lauramj39]

thank you..thats what I was thinking..I just cannot understand why there is not more outrage about this crime.

[TN_Profiler]

Assuming you have ruled out the "normal" method of assualt, this can also be done by using an instrument to sexaully assault a victim. They could also force a person to perform certain acts. I am choosing not to provide examples but think you can draw conclusions.

There are countless ways but suffice to say it is nothing short of gruesome, cruel, and heinous.

Originally Posted by Lauramj39

a purely technical question...how can the female be charged with sexual assault of the male victim?? Am i correct in it seems the female was the ringleader...this whole thing is sooooo disturbing and it is even more disturbing that it has recieved so little media attention.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by TN_Profiler

Assuming you have ruled out the "normal" method of assualt, this can also be done by using an instrument to sexaully assault a victim. They could also force a person to perform certain acts. I am choosing not to provide examples but think you can draw conclusions.

There are countless ways but suffice to say it is nothing short of gruesome, cruel, and heinous.

That's what my H said (see above) that a foreign object was probably used. Unfortunately the details in this case are gruesome and anyway you can imagine these people were abused was done and then some kind of drain cleaner was poured down the throat to destroy DNA. I just hope that was done after death......

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[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by Athena

That's what my H said (see above) that a foreign object was probably used. Unfortunately the details in this case are gruesome and anyway you can imagine these people were abused was done and then some kind of drain cleaner was poured down the throat to destroy DNA. I just hope that was done after death......

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They it was something large that was used on her. As for the bleach I thought it was to cover up sperm from oral sex ,so she would have been alive. To cover up the DNA there,She would have had to swallow it and if you dead you will not swallow The sperm would have been swallowed traveling to her stomach. Very sick thought JMO
MY HEARTS GO TO THE FAMILIES

[Mishell1383]

Athena I cannot provide more reputation for you, I would keep giving you positives if I could, it yelled at me and told me I couldn't leave you anymore. And had to "expand my horizons" LOL
The girl 21 and the boy 23, my age, I cannot even imagine what was going through the victims heads while this was going on, I am sure they were begging for there untimely death.
Vanessa Coleman stated as a "witness" that she saw them pour cleaner in her mouth before she was dead, "she specifically stated seeing her alive.They said the cleaner I quote,,,
"Also new today, according to the Marion County, KY Justice Center, a fifth person has been arrested in the case. That person, identified as Vanessa Coleman, was arrested in Lebanon, Kentucky, the same place where two other suspects, George Thomas, and Letalvis Cobbins were arrested in mid-January. She's being held on at least one warrant.
Coleman isn't a new name in this investigation. She's listed in an affadavit in support of a search warrant filed on January 22nd by Knoxville Police. Volunteer TV broke news of the search warrant on January 22nd, but at that time, we did not release Coleman's name because she had not been charged.
According to the affadavit, police spoke with Vanessa Coleman, who informed them, "she was present with the victim Christian was being held within the residence at 2316 Chipman Street on and around January 6th and 7th, 2007. "
The warrant continues, "during that time while the victim Christian was alive, she witnessed the victim's mouth being cleansed with some type of spray bottle of cleaning supply contained within the residence."
This to has to be the most heinous crime I have ever read, and I read ALOT. I cannot .... nevermind, I cannot even describe. I am sick. I'm sorry
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/h...s/5459231.html
Please refer to that page, for the rest of the report regarding Coleman and Co. I need to think of happy things to remove the unimaginable images from my mind.

please excuse me,

I am shocked I just heard about

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by Mishell1383

Athena I cannot provide more reputation for you, I would keep giving you positives if I could, it yelled at me and told me I couldn't leave you anymore. And had to "expand my horizons" LOL
The girl 21 and the boy 23, my age, I cannot even imagine what was going through the victims heads while this was going on, I am sure they were begging for there untimely death.
Vanessa Coleman stated as a "witness" that she saw them pour cleaner in her mouth before she was dead, "she specifically stated seeing her alive.They said the cleaner I quote,,,
"Also new today, according to the Marion County, KY Justice Center, a fifth person has been arrested in the case. That person, identified as Vanessa Coleman, was arrested in Lebanon, Kentucky, the same place where two other suspects, George Thomas, and Letalvis Cobbins were arrested in mid-January. She's being held on at least one warrant.
Coleman isn't a new name in this investigation. She's listed in an affadavit in support of a search warrant filed on January 22nd by Knoxville Police. Volunteer TV broke news of the search warrant on January 22nd, but at that time, we did not release Coleman's name because she had not been charged.
According to the affadavit, police spoke with Vanessa Coleman, who informed them, "she was present with the victim Christian was being held within the residence at 2316 Chipman Street on and around January 6th and 7th, 2007. "
The warrant continues, "during that time while the victim Christian was alive, she witnessed the victim's mouth being cleansed with some type of spray bottle of cleaning supply contained within the residence."
This to has to be the most heinous crime I have ever read, and I read ALOT. I cannot .... nevermind, I cannot even describe. I am sick. I'm sorry
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/h...s/5459231.html
Please refer to that page, for the rest of the report regarding Coleman and Co. I need to think of happy things to remove the unimaginable images from my mind.

please excuse me,

I am shocked I just heard about

Hey Sweetie, you hang in there OK!! We need you and more young people like you to help change things. I am a mother and grandmother.My daughter is 30 and Granddaughter .Avery is one. I worry about them all the time. That is why I read some about crimes and solving them.We all have to stick together and try to make things better for our children.
I was hoping that the reason this had so little attention was they wanted to spare the families of the kids horrific torture. I don't see how anyone can do such and not care. This saddens me deeply

Heres To You Mishell
To The Families your in our prayers

[CaroleNichols]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Hey Sweetie, you hang in there OK!! We need you and more young people like you to help change things. I am a mother and grandmother.My daughter is 30 and Granddaughter .Avery is one. I worry about them all the time. That is why I read some about crimes and solving them.We all have to stick together and try to make things better for our children.
I was hoping that the reason this had so little attention was they wanted to spare the families of the kids horrific torture. I don't see how anyone can do such and not care. This saddens me deeply

Heres To You Mishell
To The Families your in our prayers

Me, too, Athena. I have 2 daughter, one of which is far away at college in PA, and I worry about her all the time. The other has given me 4 granddaughters (2 of them identical twins), and I STILL worry about her too. The families of the victims are in my prayers, and what is so sad to me, I know the families of the accused are hurting too, for at least some of those kids were surely loved as we love our children. Wasted lives all the way around

[CaroleNichols]

Originally Posted by CaroleNichols

Me, too, Athena. I have 2 daughter, one of which is far away at college in PA, and I worry about her all the time. The other has given me 4 granddaughters (2 of them identical twins), and I STILL worry about her too. The families of the victims are in my prayers, and what is so sad to me, I know the families of the accused are hurting too, for at least some of those kids were surely loved as we love our children. Wasted lives all the way around

sorry, dallasvic, never do anything before your first cup of coffee!!!

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Mishell1383

Athena I cannot provide more reputation for you, I would keep giving you positives if I could, it yelled at me and told me I couldn't leave you anymore. And had to "expand my horizons" LOL
The girl 21 and the boy 23, my age, I cannot even imagine what was going through the victims heads while this was going on, I am sure they were begging for there untimely death.
Vanessa Coleman stated as a "witness" that she saw them pour cleaner in her mouth before she was dead, "she specifically stated seeing her alive.They said the cleaner I quote,,,
"Also new today, according to the Marion County, KY Justice Center, a fifth person has been arrested in the case. That person, identified as Vanessa Coleman, was arrested in Lebanon, Kentucky, the same place where two other suspects, George Thomas, and Letalvis Cobbins were arrested in mid-January. She's being held on at least one warrant.
Coleman isn't a new name in this investigation. She's listed in an affadavit in support of a search warrant filed on January 22nd by Knoxville Police. Volunteer TV broke news of the search warrant on January 22nd, but at that time, we did not release Coleman's name because she had not been charged.
According to the affadavit, police spoke with Vanessa Coleman, who informed them, "she was present with the victim Christian was being held within the residence at 2316 Chipman Street on and around January 6th and 7th, 2007. "
The warrant continues, "during that time while the victim Christian was alive, she witnessed the victim's mouth being cleansed with some type of spray bottle of cleaning supply contained within the residence."
This to has to be the most heinous crime I have ever read, and I read ALOT. I cannot .... nevermind, I cannot even describe. I am sick. I'm sorry
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/h...s/5459231.html
Please refer to that page, for the rest of the report regarding Coleman and Co. I need to think of happy things to remove the unimaginable images from my mind.

please excuse me,

I am shocked I just heard about

No reason to be excused - if anyone doesn't feel sick over this .......

I did not realize she was alive when they poured the cleaner; I couldn't read the entire article because my stomach was turning and my eyes were tearing. I was just hoping it was after death; in my previous post I believe I put "drain" in front of cleaner and not sure why I did that but it appears to be erroneous not that it makes much of a difference. OMG.........

[Mishell1383]

You guys are the best ))

I just read that Coleman and Davidson have two kids!!!!!!!

"I don't know him, but I do know him," says Brittany Hunley, who lives next door to the house where Channon Christian was found. "Him and his girlfriend lived here with their two children. I really don't know much about them. They come in and out, people come in and out of their house and stuff."
http://www.volunteertv.com/special/h...s/5150607.html

This story gets more and more disturbing... Those poor little children, I wonder how old they are.

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by CaroleNichols

sorry, dallasvic, never do anything before your first cup of coffee!!!

What do you mean by that? I do not understand!!