Need info on Ottis Toole (Important)

[hissister]

I know Ottis Toole (the man who confessed to killing Adam Walsh) is dead; that he died in prison.

But I need to know if someone can get info on him or tell me how to get it.

My little brother, Glen Davenport (age 10) was found dead on February 4th, 1968 in Jacksonville, Florida; under very suspicious circumstances.

I read that Ottis Toole lived in Jacksonville and had a record of many arrests there. Among the arrests were one for prowling in 1968 and one for vagrancy in 1968.

My family and many others on our street had many problems with prowlers in the '60's.

When Glen died he was found dead on a lot of land down the street from our home. On that lot was an old abandoned house. People had tried to tell the detective and investigators that a vagrant had been seen in the area around the time of Glen's death.
And recently an old friend of Glen's told my sister that he and his brothers used to throw rocks at the "bums" that hung out in that area.

I'm hoping someone can find out for me exactly when and where (which side of town, street, etc.) that Ottis Toole had been arrested on in 1968 for prowling and for vagrancy.

[hissister]

I've never heard of David Lohr; don't even know who he is or what he does.

I guess I can put in a search online for him and try to find out and then try to contact him.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by hissister

I've never heard of David Lohr; don't even know who he is or what he does.

I guess I can put in a search online for him and try to find out and then try to contact him.

David Lohr is one of the investigative writers for crime library. You don't have to go far to find him just have a look at some of the serial killer stories. Here is a link to his page and it also has a contact email.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/about/authors/lohr/
Sharlock

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by hissister

I know Ottis Toole (the man who confessed to killing Adam Walsh) is dead; that he died in prison.

But I need to know if someone can get info on him or tell me how to get it.

My little brother, Glen Davenport (age 10) was found dead on February 4th, 1968 in Jacksonville, Florida; under very suspicious circumstances.

I read that Ottis Toole lived in Jacksonville and had a record of many arrests there. Among the arrests were one for prowling in 1968 and one for vagrancy in 1968.

My family and many others on our street had many problems with prowlers in the '60's.

When Glen died he was found dead on a lot of land down the street from our home. On that lot was an old abandoned house. People had tried to tell the detective and investigators that a vagrant had been seen in the area around the time of Glen's death.
And recently an old friend of Glen's told my sister that he and his brothers used to throw rocks at the "bums" that hung out in that area.

I'm hoping someone can find out for me exactly when and where (which side of town, street, etc.) that Ottis Toole had been arrested on in 1968 for prowling and for vagrancy.

Hi,
I did a Google search and there is a lot on Toole and his partner in crime Henry Lee Lucas and there is a story here on CL that has a lot of info. I read the story myself awhile back , but do not remember those details. I will read it once more and see if I can find out for you .
Later

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Hi,
I did a Google search and there is a lot on Toole and his partner in crime Henry Lee Lucas and there is a story here on CL that has a lot of info. I read the story myself awhile back , but do not remember those details. I will read it once more and see if I can find out for you .
Later

Hi Dallasvic,
Hs also has a thread on Crime Library in the general crime discussion on her brother Glenn Davenport if you want to have a look; also here is her myspace and excerpt of a quote of the circumstances of her little brother.
http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...6DBAE814689453

My little brother, Glen Davenport was found "hanging" on February 4th, 1968 in Jacksonville, Florida. The day before being found dead, he had been reported missing to the police. One of my mother's friends stood under the tree Glen was later found hanging from. Glen was not there; not under that tree, not anywhere else that was searched. The last time the area was searched was around 4:00 a.m. Glen was not there. But then just a few hours later, not long after the sun came up, Glen's body was found hanging from the tree that my mother's friend had stood under just a few hours earlier. That means that someone put him there sometime after the last time the area was searched. Glen was in a kneeling position, with his knees slightly drawn up, and the toes of his shoes touching the ground. The rope had been looped twice around his neck. With Glen being so low to the ground, if he had been conscious or alive; he could have stood up to save himself. When the first police officers arrived, they made statements like "The rope was not tight enough to kill him", and to my father "That rope is not what killed your boy". They saw that the rope was looped twice around Glen's neck and that it wasn't tight enough to kill him. But then the investigators that took over started ignoring everything that was suspicious about Glen's disappearance and death. They ignored the fact that the area had been searched just a few hours earlier and Glen was not there. They ignored the fact that Glen was terrified of the dark and would not have stayed out all night. They ignored the fact that the rope was looped twice around Glen's neck and that it was not tight enough to kill him. They ignored the fact that if Glen had been able to, he could have stood up and taken the rope off from around his neck. And they ignored the fact that Glen's jacket was unzipped. It was cold the night he was missing; with the temperatures dropping lower and lower. If Glen had been able to, he would have zipped his jacket up. The investigators decided that Glen's death was an "accidental" death. They tried very hard to convince everyone that Glen had been playing with or on the rope swing and accidently killed himself; or that another kid or kids had been playing with him and Glen accidently got killed. Glen would not have stayed out all night in the dark and cold; not even zipping up his jacket. He would not have stayed hiding somewhere waiting until people stopped searching for him, then gone to play on the rope swing. He was not out playing at that time of morning; neither were any other kids. When my father and a brother-in-law went to the morgue, they noticed dirt under Glen's fingernails. Everyone that knew Glen knew that that was not normal. Glen couldn't stand to be dirty at all; and couldn't even stand to be sticky from candy, etc. At the funeral home my father noticed bruises around Glen's mouth. He said it looked like someone had had a hand over Glen's mouth. I saw those bruises for myself; they were clearly visible even under the funeral home's makeup. On one side of Glen's mouth were 3 or 4 small, roundish bruises that were spread apart like fingers could have been. On the other side of his mouth was one larger roundish bruise that looked like it could have been from a thumb. The fact that Glen had been missing all night before being found dead, and that if someone was trying to keep him quiet (possibly with people searching for Glen very closeby and calling his name), makes it seem highly possible that someone would have had a hand over his mouth trying to keep him quiet. The assistant medical examiner did only a preliminary autopsy on Glen's body. Even though this assistant medical examiner noted on the autopsy report that the rope had been looped loosely around Glen's neck, he ruled Glen's death as accidental. Asphyxiation due to hanging. But the rope was not tight enough to asphyxiate Glen. This assistant medical examiner did not even note the bruises that were around Glen's mouth. Glen's death was not an "accidental" death. I believe there is still someone somewhere that knows something about Glen's death and his disappearance before being found dead.

It would be really nice if some other posters would join the thread she has made and give her some advice.

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by hissister

I know Ottis Toole (the man who confessed to killing Adam Walsh) is dead; that he died in prison.

But I need to know if someone can get info on him or tell me how to get it.

My little brother, Glen Davenport (age 10) was found dead on February 4th, 1968 in Jacksonville, Florida; under very suspicious circumstances.

I read that Ottis Toole lived in Jacksonville and had a record of many arrests there. Among the arrests were one for prowling in 1968 and one for vagrancy in 1968.

My family and many others on our street had many problems with prowlers in the '60's.

When Glen died he was found dead on a lot of land down the street from our home. On that lot was an old abandoned house. People had tried to tell the detective and investigators that a vagrant had been seen in the area around the time of Glen's death.
And recently an old friend of Glen's told my sister that he and his brothers used to throw rocks at the "bums" that hung out in that area.

I'm hoping someone can find out for me exactly when and where (which side of town, street, etc.) that Ottis Toole had been arrested on in 1968 for prowling and for vagrancy.

Me again,
From the search I did - Toole was first arrested as an adult in 1964 and charged with loitering.He claimed to have committed his 1st murder at age 14. He said a sale man propositioned his so he ran him over.
In 1978 he met Henry Lee Lucas in Jacksonville Fl. They claim to have committed more than 100 murders from 78 til they were incarcerated.
This was all i could find. It does not look like the date you were looking for. Him and Lucas met on Skid row and became lovers.
Hope this helps you
later

[dallasvic]

Maybe if we say something to the posters on Blowing Off Steam. I am sure someone will come and help .What do you think?
By the was that stuff you found the she wrote on her brother is excellent

[dallasvic]

Originally Posted by hissister

I know Ottis Toole (the man who confessed to killing Adam Walsh) is dead; that he died in prison.

But I need to know if someone can get info on him or tell me how to get it.

My little brother, Glen Davenport (age 10) was found dead on February 4th, 1968 in Jacksonville, Florida; under very suspicious circumstances.

I read that Ottis Toole lived in Jacksonville and had a record of many arrests there. Among the arrests were one for prowling in 1968 and one for vagrancy in 1968.

My family and many others on our street had many problems with prowlers in the '60's.

When Glen died he was found dead on a lot of land down the street from our home. On that lot was an old abandoned house. People had tried to tell the detective and investigators that a vagrant had been seen in the area around the time of Glen's death.
And recently an old friend of Glen's told my sister that he and his brothers used to throw rocks at the "bums" that hung out in that area.

I'm hoping someone can find out for me exactly when and where (which side of town, street, etc.) that Ottis Toole had been arrested on in 1968 for prowling and for vagrancy.

Hi,
Found another site you can check out! www.mayham.net
Hope it helps

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by dallasvic

Maybe if we say something to the posters on Blowing Off Steam. I am sure someone will come and help .What do you think?
By the was that stuff you found the she wrote on her brother is excellent

Could work! His picture reminds me of my brother who was also a cutie as a kid.

[01111794]

hissister,

I don't know if this will help or not:

Ottis was the self proclaimed "Powerful Maniac" (categorized as retarded an IQ of 75), now of course he meant pyromaniac but did not have the education or mental capacity to express this accurately. Unfortunately his definition was probably closer to the truth as a personal description. Ottis was an admitted child molester, murderer, pyromaniac, cannibal, thief, and bi-sexual.

Ottis met Henry Lee Lucas in 1976 and became his lover and 'hunting' (murder) partner. Between 1978 and 1981 Ottis claims that he and Henry began kidnapping children, practicing human sacrifice, and producing snuff films (supposedly in Mexico but never verified).

It was in October 1983, while incarcerated that he surprised the local police chief by confessing to the murder of Adam Walsh. First believed by law enforcement they quickly dismissed his confession; although Ottis was able to provided details that only the killer would have known. This was not to be the last time Ottis would find himself claiming credit for murders, having detailed information, but not being believed by law enforcement. Investigators attributed this to Ottis and Henry's ability to read investigators who were interviewing them and garnering enough information to make logical assumptions about the facts of the crime. Strangely enough (although not widely publicized) these cases were later attributed to Toole. When he died in 1996 Florida had resumed questioning of Ottis in the death of Adam Walsh, unfortunately his death was not the only loss Florida investigators found themselves dealing with, they also lost all of the DNA evidence previously collected in the case.

Ottis claimed using the following methods to kill victims: Automobile (running over), strangulation, stabbing, cutting throats, decapitation, and gun shot (through the top of the victims head downward).

Once incarcerated Ottis, like many other serial killers, began expressing himself through self portraits and depictions of his thoughts some of which can be found at http://www.flickr.com/photos/7mary4/...7600046212040/

[bexx]

I'm wondering if you've contacted Jacksonville police at all. Maybe explain the situation and your concern. I would presume that they'd be interested in this story - it's probably worth a shot.

I think alot of what you'll find on the internet or in books might be skewed. It's probably best to get a hold of police records.