Common Ground?

[TuscanDreams]

Let's do this- there are some things that we can all agree on. Could we make a list?

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies washed ashore in the same area that Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.

Add more, let's just add the common ground that we all can agree on and build it up as we go along.

Stuff we can't agree on is opinion, like "Mark Geragos is a horrible attorney." While I may believe that, it's my opinion and he hasn't been disbarred, so lets keep this fact based. Sound ok?

[Beebee]

I can't agree that the bodies of Laci and Conner washed ashore. I think Conner was planted on the shore shortly before he was found.

But I can think of a few we can add to the list--

Do we all agree that Brocchini excised info from his report about Laci being seen at the warehouse?

Do we all agree that the MPD failed to properly investigate the Tracy tip?

Do we all agree that a convict told his brother Steve Todd threatened Laci when she interruped a burglary in progress?

[Miss Bootsie]

Originally Posted by Beebee

I can't agree that the bodies of Laci and Conner washed ashore. I think Conner was planted on the shore shortly before he was found.

Don't want to change the topic of this thread, but will you please share with me on another thread where you think Conner's body was stored for the four month period.

[Lili007]

Originally Posted by Beebee

I can't agree that the bodies of Laci and Conner washed ashore. I think Conner was planted on the shore shortly before he was found.

I see. You mean someone kept Conner in salt water for 4 months and then planted his little body in SF Bay to incriminate Scott.

But I can think of a few we can add to the list--

Do we all agree that Brocchini excised info from his report about Laci being seen at the warehouse?

Heck, no!!

Do we all agree that the MPD failed to properly investigate the Tracy tip?

Ummm... niet.

Do we all agree that a convict told his brother Steve Todd threatened Laci when she interruped a burglary in progress?

Never happened.

[Wudge]

Scott is non violent. He has no history of violence whatsoever.

Scott and Laci were never known to argue.

The Rochas themselves said Scott would never have harmed Laci.

There is no crime scene.

There is no place of death.

There is no time of death.

There is no cause of death.

There is no murder weapon.

There is no eyewitness.

There is no forensic evidence that supports Scott murdering Laci.

There is no clear and unyielding evidence of premeditation.

The M.E., Dr. Peterson testified Connor was full term.

The M.E.’s medical consultant, Dr. Alison Galloway, testified that the gestational age for Connor ranged from 33 months minimum to 38 weeks maximum.

There is no clear motive. Judge Delucchi said that he “didn't see any pre-offense statement that indicates any intent, plan, motive or design that he may have uttered.” This includes Scott saying that he had “lost” his wife. Thus, the Court (the 13th juror) did not find proof of premeditation from any of Scott’s statements. And Greg Bertalis said the jury did not know what Scott’s motive was .

No trailing dog found Laci’s scent on Scott’s truck bed or inside the Greenlee tool box.

No trailing dog found Laci’s scent in the boat.

No trailing dog found Laci’s scent on the boat cover.

No trailing dog found Laci’s scent on the umbrellas that were in the back of Scott’s truck.

A dog handler, Ron Seitz, testified that working off scent from Laci’s pink slipper, his dog, TJ, did not find Laci’s scent at the marina.

No cadaver dog ever found a probative death scent, not one.

The night before, Scott asked Amy over for pizza.

The night before, Scott told Amy he would pick up her present at Vella Farms after 12:00AM on Xmas Eve.

Laci was found wearing different pants from those she wore the previous night.

Laci was found wearing a wire bra.

Laci’s walking shoes were never found.

Laci’s large diamond ear rings were never found.

Laci’s curling iron had been taken out of her drawer.

Per the FBI’s Caucasian data base, the odds of the hair in the pliers being Laci’s hair are 112-1 against that possibility.

Scott allegedly loading Laci’s body into the truck in broad daylight works against a theory of long-planned premeditation.

The State’s theory of Laci’s body being submerged in the full daylight of high noon works heavily against premeditation, period. Similarly, it works against the theory that Scott murdered Laci. [Note: Nancy Grace agrees and would have found Scott to be "not guilty" based on the alleged mid-day submerging.]

The duct tape found on Laci’s body did not match any duct tape that Scott owned or used.

The bodies were found at the location of Scott’s alibi. Therefore, this was a statement against self-interest (exculpatory evidence) of immense proportion.

The prior owner of the boat, Bruce Peterson, testified that he sent in paperwork that established the boat was now recorded to Scott Peterson at his Covena address.

Detective Grogan testified that any DMV notice of transfer tax due on the boat would have been mailed to Scott’s Covena address.

Scott is a lifelong fisherman and bought a fishing license.

As a fisherman would do, Scott bought lures, including a lure for stripers.

As a fisherman would do, Scott bought a new fishing rod.

As a fisherman would do, Scott researched the tides.

As a fisherman would do, Scott researched fishing camps.

Scott paid cash for the boat at the request of the boat’s owner.

Scott left the anchor behind at the request of the owner. He needed to have an anchor and, thus, Scott made a concrete anchor for the boat.

There was nothing sinister in the transaction of the purchase of the boat. Bruce Peterson knew about the boat, and the State recorded the boat to Scott at his home address, and Scott immediately told LE about the boat. Moreover, Distaso never claimed Scott did not register the boat, ever.

No testimony was given establishing that the 2 and ½ quart paint bucket (from RG Corporation) used by Scott for the anchor mold fit the cement circles on the deck of the trailer.

Regarding the twine defying the law of physics and working itself over Connor’s head, Dr Wecht responded to a question from Greta on 10-27-04 and said: “You talk about something coming over the head, the body's floating in the water? You couldn't do that in a million years.”

Per Dr. Wecht, Connor’s head measured 28 centimeters in circumference. His neck measured 20 centimeters in circumference. The twice-knotted twine around Connor’s neck measured (approx.) 23 ½ centimeters in circumference.

The ME, Dr. Brian Peterson, testified that heavy, round and oval mineralized stones were found on the threads of Laci’s pant legs.

Mineralized stones can not form underwater. For mineralized stones to form, exposure to the sun and/or air is needed. Thus, Laci’s body would have needed to be exposed to a large number of wet/dry cycles to form heavy the stones. A marsh would provide such a setting.

The Hoffman Marsh is located right between where Connor’s body was found and where Laci’s body was found.

The Hoffman Marsh is easily accessible without a boat. A public parking lot is immediately adjacent to it.

Only one anchor was found. The one Scott found in his boat and that Scott freely admitted making.

The water pitcher was not the mold for Scott’s anchor as alleged/implied by Detectives Brocchini and Hendee. A petrographer, Robert O’Neill, testified that he told Detective Grogan ”there is no way that that pitcher is the mold for the concrete anchor.”

Any person standing on the marina’s boat dock would have been able to look down and into Scott’s small boat to see Laci’s body.

Dr. Cheng testified that the tidal conditions that would have sent Conner’s body north toward the inner Richmond Harbor could not explain Laci Peterson’s body being found far further south.

Connor’s body made it over the rock jetty uninjured.
The boat was too small to “safely” dump a 150lb+ body that allegedly also had submerging anchors tied to it.

There was no testimony of unaccounted for rebars (used as a handle for Scott’s single anchor).

Detective Hendee knowingly gave false testimony that the water pitcher was the mold for Scott’s anchor. His lie was caught by Geragos, and he was impeached.

With Detective Brocchini as the set-up man and Detective Hendee as his sworn witness, the prosecutor, David Harris, conspired to perpetrate a knowing fraud upon the Court and the jury; i.e., that the water pitcher was the mold for Scott’s anchor.

Detective Brocchini was impeached over and over as regards: the infamous “meringue”, the multiplying hair, the made-up duct tape, and excising from his notes that Laci was at the warehouse.

A dog handler, Eloise Anderson, was severely impeached in the same vein as another dog handler, Cindee Valentine, was impeached in a pre-trial hearing (her dog was Merlin). Also impeached was Eloise Anderson’s theory that her dog, Trimble, trailed Laci’s scent for 90 miles and, working off of the eyeglass case, found Laci’s scent at the marina.

Judge Delucchi gave the jury instruction 2.21 (witness willfully false). Thus, the jury was permitted to totally disregard the testimony of: Detective Brocchini, Detective Hendee, Eloise Anderson et al.

[Wudge]

Four or five anchors the size of Scott’s anchor would not have kept Laci’s body from floating to the surface.

The boat’s motor had never been tested in salt water. Scott had no way of knowing it would work.

The concrete poured along the side of the driveway matched the concrete in the anchor.

LE never found the mythical submerging anchors despite searching the bay for months.

LE never found the bodies despite searching the bay for months.

LE never found the men that Tom Harshman reported seeing pulling a pregnant women into a van on 12/28.

LE never found the pregnant woman who was reported by many people to have been walking her golden retriever the morning of Xmas Eve.

LE never found the parked van that was seen by Diane Jackson and Kristen Reed across the street from the Laci’s house.

Bates #14765 is proof positive that on the morning of 12/24, Steven Todd, Donald Pierce et al, were burglarizing the Medina’s home across the street from the Petersons.

The burglar’s original storyline said the burglary occurred on 12/27.

The burglars could not have, as claimed, seen mail in the Medina’s mailbox on 12/26.

The burglars claimed only the safe was carted away in a car. The burglars could not have, as claimed, carted all of the other stolen items away by bike.

Diane Jackson saw three men, a van and a safe on 12/24, but only two men went to prison.

The burglars left behind items of significant value that were in plain view.

The large diamond earrings that Laci inherited were never found.

Just days after Laci’s disappearance, Deanna Renfro pawned a Croton watch that had gems.

Testimony established that McKenzie was a barking machine. However, McKenzie did not bark at the postman, Mr. Graybill, on Xmas Eve. This strongly implies he was out walking and, thus, not in the courtyard when the mail was delivered between 10:35AM and 10:50AM.

Scott did hear Martha Stewart say “meringue” at 9:48AM.

Scott bought a mortiser shortly before 12/24 so he could build a table top.

Inside the warehouse, Scott assembled the mortiser while Laci’s body was allegedly ripening there.

Scott looked up assembly instruction for the mortiser when he was in the warehouse.

Scott called to check his business voicemail at 10:08AM, while, per the State, Laci’s body was allegedly ripening in the back of his truck.

At the warehouse, Scott sent a Xmas email to his boss while Laci’s body was allegedly ripening at the warehouse.

A sunflower-motif umbrella stand and a gap scarf gad been pulled-up on the home computer at 8:40AM.

Scott went with Laci to her doctor on 12/23.

LE did not bring a cadaver dog to the bay, yet they thought Laci might well have been murdered the night before by Scott.

Officer Phillips testified that he and his superior officer both smelled the same scent on a tarp that was found near Laci’s body as the scent that came from her body.

Scott did not have a secret cell phone. The calls he made coming back from the bay could easily have established that he was out of the Modesto area that day. This is support that the only thing Scott was trying to hide was his affair. And those calls also work heavily against the state's claim that submerging Laci's body in the bay had long been planned.

Cold weather on Xmas Eve caused Scott to change his plan from golfing to boating. This works significantly against the State’s theory of a long-planned (premeditated) murder.

Laci knew Scott played around (Janet Ilse was well known to her).

Laci never told her parents or friends that Scott played around.

[Lili007]

OMG! I never realised how heavily you were invested in this. It's kind of scary, REALLY scary. If that's what you want in your life, you're doing a great job of it.

I'm not comfortable with your stance at all. I hate confrontation and will never enable it, or perpetuate it.

Bye Bye Wudge.

[Wudge]

As have others here, I've followed thiis case in detail from the very beginning.

I wish you the very best.

[cookiewench]

Cold weather NEVER has caused anyone to change their plans from golfing to fishing.

Everyone knows that if it's cold out, it's going to be colder, wetter, and windier on the ocean.

That was the most absurd excuse I'd even heard. Golfers golf year-round, even in winter - but the bay was totally deserted that day.

Also, Scott said that he left the bay because it started rainy, and that he washed his clothes because they were wet & stinky/fishy - yet he never fished that day, and his coat - bone dry, was on the back floor of the truck.

[Wudge]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

Cold weather NEVER has caused anyone to change their plans from golfing to fishing.

Everyone knows that if it's cold out, it's going to be colder, wetter, and windier on the ocean.

That was the most absurd excuse I'd even heard. Golfers golf year-round, even in winter - but the bay was totally deserted that day.

Also, Scott said that he left the bay because it started rainy, and that he washed his clothes because they were wet & stinky/fishy - yet he never fished that day, and his coat - bone dry, was on the back floor of the truck.

Cookie, if you check the weather for Modesto and the bay that day, you will find that it was warmer at the bay. Moreover, testimony established that one of the internet searches that was made on the home computer that morning was a weather check.

If you have been long planning to submerge a body in the middle of the day in the bay and now have that body all wrapped up and ready to go, you are not going to be checking the weather for drizzle.

[Lili007]

Originally Posted by Wudge

As have others here, I've followed thiis case in detail from the very beginning.

I wish you the very best.

Thank you. Wishes go both ways - I wish you the same.

Lili

[cookiewench]

Originally Posted by Wudge

Cookie, if you check the weather for Modesto and the bay that day, you will find that it was warmer at the bay. Moreover, testimony established that one of the internet searches that was made on the home computer that morning was a weather check.

If you have been long planning to submerge a body in the middle of the day in the bay and now have that body all wrapped up and ready to go, you are not going to be checking the weather for drizzle.

It doesn't matter if it was a few degrees warmer at the bay. It's ALWAYS chillier out on the water. If it was "too cold" for golfing, it was way too cold for fishing.

Although the bay was virtually deserted that day, I'll bet there were guys golfing at Scott's club.

As for what someone would do if they planned to dump a body in the bay, how would you know?

The whole story just reeks. He didn't decide til 11:00 that it was too cold to golf, and then decided to drive 90 miles to take an untested boat out? Puleeze. He said that he left because it started raining - not because he was due back for dinner? He told Laci he was going fishing, but she didn't remind him that he wouldn't be able to get home in time to pick up the fruit basket if he did?

His wife had neither answered the phone or called him back all day, and yet he was so unconcerned that he did laundry and took a shower?

Even smooth, habitual liars like Scott get tripped up.

[Miss Bootsie]

Originally Posted by Wudge

Cookie, if you check the weather for Modesto and the bay that day, you will find that it was warmer at the bay. Moreover, testimony established that one of the internet searches that was made on the home computer that morning was a weather check.

If you have been long planning to submerge a body in the middle of the day in the bay and now have that body all wrapped up and ready to go, you are not going to be checking the weather for drizzle.

Nope, you're wrong.

On the water, riding in a motor propelled boat, Scott was much cooler on the Bay than he would have been on a golf course.

[accordn2me]

Originally Posted by Beebee

I can't agree that the bodies of Laci and Conner washed ashore. I think Conner was planted on the shore shortly before he was found.

But I can think of a few we can add to the list--

Do we all agree that Brocchini excised info from his report about Laci being seen at the warehouse?

Do we all agree that the MPD failed to properly investigate the Tracy tip?

Do we all agree that a convict told his brother Steve Todd threatened Laci when she interruped a burglary in progress?

1. Laci was seen at the warehouse on the 24th?

2. Disagree. The defense failed to properly investigate whatever you're talking about.

3. Disagree.

[accordn2me]

My list won't be "common ground" but there are some things I could agree with the people who believe Scott's innocent:

1. The tan pants Laci was found wearing were different tan pants than the ones she wore to the salon.

2. Laci got the curling iron out the morning of the 24th.

3. The blinds were not open because Laci hadn't put her shirt on yet.

[One2Snoop]

Originally Posted by cookiewench

Cold weather NEVER has caused anyone to change their plans from golfing to fishing.

Everyone knows that if it's cold out, it's going to be colder, wetter, and windier on the ocean.

That was the most absurd excuse I'd even heard. Golfers golf year-round, even in winter - but the bay was totally deserted that day.

Also, Scott said that he left the bay because it started rainy, and that he washed his clothes because they were wet & stinky/fishy - yet he never fished that day, and his coat - bone dry, was on the back floor of the truck.

I can definitly vouch for the golf - Yes they sure do - we live in a gated community and the golf course is practically in our back yard. I've even seen people out golfing on December rainy mornings right here in Northern California.

[One2Snoop]

Scott and Laci were never known to argue.

This cannot be proven as fact. Our friends, family and neighbors would tell you we don't argue either, but we certainly have our disagreements behind closed doors on occasion.

[Anne2719]

Well, so much for a well-intentioned good idea, huh? TuscanDreams had a really nice thread started, and so far most of the responses indicate an out-and-out refusal to look for things to AGREE upon.

Can we try again, and add one item at a time for discussion?

Starting with TD's list (and modifying one item):

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered in the same area that Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.

4. Scott was stopped on the road to the border wearing a new hair color.

[accordn2me]

Originally Posted by Anne2719

Well, so much for a well-intentioned good idea, huh? TuscanDreams had a really nice thread started, and so far most of the responses indicate an out-and-out refusal to look for things to AGREE upon.

Can we try again, and add one item at a time for discussion?

Starting with TD's list (and modifying one item):

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered in the same area that Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.

4. Scott was stopped on the road to the border wearing a new hair color.

1. Can we change the word deceased to murdered?
2. 3. 4. agreed
5. Scott made several trips to the bay in rented vehicles during the search.

[Beebee]

Originally Posted by Anne2719

Well, so much for a well-intentioned good idea, huh? TuscanDreams had a really nice thread started, and so far most of the responses indicate an out-and-out refusal to look for things to AGREE upon.

Can we try again, and add one item at a time for discussion?

Starting with TD's list (and modifying one item):

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered in the same area that Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.

4. Scott was stopped on the road to the border wearing a new hair color.

Thank you. I can go with new #2 Oops, edit, no I can't... they weren't discovered in the same area. They were not discovered by Brooks Island. They were discovered in the Bay area. That's the closest fact.

Not new #4 though.... Scott was not far from the border (nor is all of San Diego), but he was not headed in that direction.... Nor was his hair color "new"... he had it that way for 2 months. MPD was well aware.
Can you change #4 to reflect the true facts?

[Anne2719]

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered near the area where Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.
4. Scott was stopped not far from the border wearing a different hair color from his natural one.

I hadn't realized he changed his hair color two months earlier. And wasn't he carrying a sizeable amount of cash? And packed for a trip? Or am I remembering this incorrectly?

[Beebee]

Originally Posted by Anne2719

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered near the area where Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.
4. Scott was stopped not far from the border wearing a different hair color from his natural one.

I hadn't realized he changed his hair color two months earlier. And wasn't he carrying a sizeable amount of cash? And packed for a trip? Or am I remembering this incorrectly?

He had $10,000. cash. The defense explained why he had it and backed it up with proof. (bank statements)
Not packed for a trip. His car had a lot of various belongings, from camping gear to dress dress clothes. He was living like a nomad at this time and the contents in his care showed that.

The changes are good, thanks. edit- except, can you also please say Scott was stopped in San Diego not far from his siblings and parents, headed toward a gold course to meet family members....

Because THAT is the truth.

[Anne2719]

Originally Posted by Beebee

He had $10,000. cash. The defense explained why he had it and backed it up with proof. (bank statements)
Not packed for a trip. His car had a lot of various belongings, from camping gear to dress dress clothes. He was living like a nomad at this time and the contents in his care showed that.

The changes are good, thanks. edit- except, can you also please say Scott was stopped in San Diego not far from his siblings and parents, headed toward a gold course to meet family members....

Because THAT is the truth.

If we're listing facts we can agree on, then I'm not sure if everyone will agree that the golf course was his actual destination.

[Anne2719]

PS -- What was the explanation for the $10,000 cash? And does everyone accept that as fact?

[TuscanDreams]

Originally Posted by Beebee

I can't agree that the bodies of Laci and Conner washed ashore. I think Conner was planted on the shore shortly before he was found.

But I can think of a few we can add to the list--

Do we all agree that Brocchini excised info from his report about Laci being seen at the warehouse?

Do we all agree that the MPD failed to properly investigate the Tracy tip?

Do we all agree that a convict told his brother Steve Todd threatened Laci when she interruped a burglary in progress?

Could you provide your source so that this can be considered on a factual basis?

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by Anne2719

If we're listing facts we can agree on, then I'm not sure if everyone will agree that the golf course was his actual destination.

I guess we can agree to this:

He was 200 yards from the golf course..he was on the road leading to the golf course..he was heading north away from the border..he was approx. 30 miles away from the border..

[Anne2719]

Originally Posted by accordn2me

1. Can we change the word deceased to murdered?
2. 3. 4. agreed
5. Scott made several trips to the bay in rented vehicles during the search.

Whoops, I missed seeing your #5. Personally, I'm happy with TD's choice of the word "deceased."

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered near the area where Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.
4. Scott was stopped not far from the border wearing a different hair color from his natural one.
5. Scott made several trips to the bay in rented vehicles during the search.

[TuscanDreams]

Originally Posted by Wudge

The concrete poured along the side of the driveway matched the concrete in the anchor. Do you have a link for this?

LE never found the mythical submerging anchors despite searching the bay for months. Aiside from the Mythical statement, this appears true. The anchors were not found, correct?

LE never found the bodies despite searching the bay for months. that is factual, I'll agree.

The large diamond earrings that Laci inherited were never found. Not sure, is this a fact that has supportive evidence?

Scott went with Laci to her doctor on 12/23. Can't remember this, I think it's factual.

Laci never told her parents or friends that Scott played around.

If you have a source for the last 1, I think that could be fact based as well.

[Beebee]

Originally Posted by TuscanDreams

Could you provide your source so that this can be considered on a factual basis?

Sure. It is in the Aponte report, which was attached to Geragos' request for a new trial.

Person Interviewed: Lt. Xavier Aponte
Employment: California Department of Corrections
Position: Lieutenant
Address: California Rehabilitation Center, PO Box 1841, Norco, CA 92860
Telephone: (951) 273-2967

Results of Interview

On 12/01/2004, at 9:40 AM, Lt. Xavier Aponte was interviewed in his office at California Rehabilitation Center regarding a recorded conversation between inmate Shawn Tenbrink and his brother Adam Tenbrink that occurred in the month of January 2003. Lt. Aponte was asked if the interview could be taped recorded and he said that he preferred that it not be recorded. Lt. Aponte provided the following information.

Lt. Aponte has been employed by the State of California, Department of Corrections for 18 years. From April 26, 1999 until February 2003, he was assigned to the Investigations Unit at California Rehabilitation Center. On February 18, 2003 he had a job change to Watch Commander.

California Rehab Center records inmate telephone calls to outside parties via the Inmate Monitoring and Recording System abbreviated IMARS. Inmates are allowed to place one (1) collect call per day for 15 minutes to outside parties. When the call is placed and connected a recording comes on at the beginning advising the party called that call is an inmate at a California Correctional Facility and that the call is monitored (recorded). The IMARS tapes used to be recycled within 30-60 days when the system was originally installed because the tapes were expensive and the budget limited. With an expanded budget, more tapes were purchased so that recordings could be kept one (1) year. Sometime after January 2003, the IMARS was changed to a new system whereby it became easier to retrieve recorded messages over a longer period of time. The old system was basically just a recording system and if the tape was recycled or lost then the recorded conversation was permanently lost. On the new system, it is possible to retrieve the recorded conversation from a company back East.

Lt. Aponte first became aware of Shawn Tenbrink talking about Laci Peterson within a couple weeks of her missing. Shawn was talking about Laci missing while he was out in his housing unit. A housing staff person left a message on Lt. Aponte’s voice mail and he immediately called the Modesto Police Department Hotline. He called a second time within the same week because he did not receive a call back from his first telephone call. Lt. Aponte said it was at least a week before anyone got back to him. Lt. Aponte said a detective called him back and arrangements were made for the detective to interview Shawn Tenbrink. Lt. Aponte believes that it was after he spoke to the detective that he listened to the recorded conversation between Shawn Tenbrink and his brother Adam Tenbrink. To the best of his recollection, Adam Tenbrink talked to Shawn Tenbrink about Laci Peterson missing and mentioned that that Laci happened to walk up while Steven Todd was doing the burglary and Todd made some kind of threat to Laci.

Lt. Aponte did not recall the name of the detective, however when asked about the names Craig Grogan, Al Brocchini, Mark Smith and Owens, Lt. Aponte said Grogan sounded familiar. Lt. Aponte said he recalls the names (black out… looks like two names) and Steve Todd from the recorded telephone conversation. The telephone call lasted about 3-4 minutes.

The detective from MPD came down to California Rehabilitation Center and interviewed (blacked out) within the first couple of weeks from his first call to the MPD hotline. Lt. Aponte did not recall the date of the interview. When Shawn Tenbrink walked into Lt. Aponte’s office for the interview he appeared scared. In retrospect, Lt. Aponte does not know if it was the environment Shawn was in that made him afraid or something else. By environment, Lt. Aponte was referring to Shawn being interviewed by the police in his office. Lt. Aponte specifically recalls Shawn denying having a conversation with his brother Adam and denying knowing Steve Todd. The detectives asked if there was anyway in which Shawn Tenbrink’s activities could be monitored. Lt. Aponte said they monitored his phone calls and mail more closely.

Lt. Aponte said that to his recollection the MPD detective listened to the recorded telephone conversation. Lt. Aponte is 99% positive he made a separate recording onto a cassette tape of the telephone conversation between Shawn and Adam. He did this thinking it would be important at some date. Lt. Aponte does not recall if the detective took a copy of the tape or at a later date received a copy of the taped telephone conversation. Lt. Aponte said that at the time this occurred, the investigations unit was in the old Administration Building. After Lt. Aponte left the Investigative Unit, the Administration Building was moved from a 10,000 square foot area to occupy a 3000 square foot area. In the process it has been difficult at times to locate things. Lt. Aponte said he kept a spiral notebook of calls he received which would have indicated the call from the detective, however he does not know what happened to it in the move.

Immediately following the interview with the MPD detective, Shawn went back to his housing unti and called his mother’s place to get in touch with Adam. His brother wasn’t home so Shawn talked to his mother. Lt. Aponte’s recollection of the recorded telephone call was that Shawn told his mother to tell Adam that the police just interviewed him and he was to keep his mouth shut because he doesn’t know who he is dealing with. Lt. Aponte said based on Shawn’s conversation with his mother it did not seem that Steve Todd, Shawn and Adam were friends. The telephone call lasted about 3-4 minutes about the same amount of time as when Shawn called Adam. Lt. Aponte said Shawn had little or no respect for his mother based on listening to the recorded telephone conversation.

Lt. Aponte stated this was the first time he came across Shawn Tenbrink and said Shawn kept to himself. Shawn did not appear to be a problem at Norco. Lt. Aponte said Shawn Tenbrink’s central file possibly could be accessed through CDC Legal Affairs.

[TuscanDreams]

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered near the area where Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.
4. Scott was stopped not far from the border wearing a different hair color from his natural one.
5. Scott made several trips to the bay in rented vehicles during the search
6. Scott was 200 yards from the golf course..he was on the road leading to the golf course..he was heading north away from the border..he was approx. 30 miles away from the border..when he was placed into custody.

That is a start! I think Wudge's statements in the above post may be factual, I'm checking them out. Does anyone have info on whether The concrete poured along the side of the driveway matched the concrete in the anchor. And were those anchors ever located? Laci's diamond ring wasn't found was it?

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by Anne2719

Whoops, I missed seeing your #5. Personally, I'm happy with TD's choice of the word "deceased."

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered near the area where Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.
4. Scott was stopped not far from the border wearing a different hair color from his natural one.
5. Scott made several trips to the bay in rented vehicles during the search.

#4 ..I don't agree with #4...the way it is worded..

He was 200 yards from the golf course and 30 miles away from the border and heading north away from the border..his parents live in that area..so it is natural for him to be in a city close to the border...

[attorneywan2be]

Originally Posted by TuscanDreams

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered near the area where Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.
4. Scott was stopped not far from the border wearing a different hair color from his natural one.
5. Scott made several trips to the bay in rented vehicles during the search
6. Scott was 200 yards from the golf course..he was on the road leading to the golf course..he was heading north away from the border..he was approx. 30 miles away from the border..when he was placed into custody.

That is a start! I think Wudge's statements in the above post may be factual, I'm checking them out. Does anyone have info on whether The concrete poured along the side of the driveway matched the concrete in the anchor. And were those anchors ever located? Laci's diamond ring wasn't found was it?

# 6 is about where Scott was stopped/arrested ..so it replaces #4..

[Beebee]

Originally Posted by Anne2719

PS -- What was the explanation for the $10,000 cash? And does everyone accept that as fact?

When Scott was arrested he had over $14,000 cash with him. Following is the series of events that lead to Scott having so much cash with him. This was testified to in court and bank records confirm it to be true. Most of these exhibits were not made public because they contain personal banking information.

Scott decided to sell his new Dodge pick up to his brother, John
Scott's mom, Jackie, was going to loan John the money to buy out Scott. John was then going to take over the payments.
On April 8, 2003, Jackie went to Bank of America to withdraw $10,000 from an old account she rarely used. She did not know her account number, so she gave them her social security number to look it up. Unbeknownst to Jackie, she was listed on Scott and Laci's checking account as well. (Jackie had opened that account with Scott in 1991. Scott added Laci when they were married and never removed his mother.) The bank gave Jackie $10,000 from Scott's checking account. The withdrawal receipt was entered as Exhibit D8Y1.
Jackie paid Scott $8000 cash for his equity in the Dodge pick up. She paid him cash so he could better negotiate while shopping for a car.
On April 12, 2003, Scott purchased a Mercedes from Michael Griffin. He paid him with 36 $100 bills. Scott had $4400 left of the $8000 his mother had given him.
Scott discovers the $10,000 withdrawal from his bank account. He sees the withdrawal ticket signed by his mom and calls her.
Jackie then goes to Washington Mutual on April 17th and withdraws $10,000 cash out of her account. She gives the money to Scott that day to replace the money she took out of his account. She paid him in cash so that the bank would not put a hold on the funds. Scott now has roughly $14,400 in cash.
Scott is arrested the morning of April 18th . He had yet to deposit the money his mother had given him the day before.
Scott also had some “foreign currency” with him when he was arrested. The 2 bills were photographed with other items and entered as People's Exhibit 293-29. One bill is worth 50 pesos and the other is worth 20 pesos. This is roughly worth $6.40 US. This is not an unreasonable amount of pocket change for someone who had recently returned from Mexico. This exhibit is sealed due to a personal check shown in the photo.

http://www.scottpetersonappeal.org/Aug06FF.html

[Anne2719]

Originally Posted by attorneywan2be

#4 ..I don't agree with #4...the way it is worded..

He was 200 yards from the golf course and 30 miles away from the border and heading north away from the border..his parents live in that area..so it is natural for him to be in a city close to the border...

How about this?

1. Laci is deceased and so is Conner.
2. Their bodies were discovered near the area where Scott was fishing.
3. Scott had an affair with Amber Frey.
4. When Scott was arrested, he was wearing a different hair color from his natural one.
5. Scott made several trips to the bay in rented vehicles during the search.
6. Scott was 200 yards from the golf course..he was on the road leading to the golf course..he was heading north away from the border..he was approx. 30 miles away from the border..when he was placed into custody.

[Anne2719]

Do we know why he changed his hair color, by the way? Did he have a reasonable explanation?

I think we also know that Scott had taken at least one trip across the border to Mexico without fleeing. Can I make that an item on the list?

Originally Posted by Anne2719

Do we know why he changed his hair color, by the way? Did he have a reasonable explanation?

I think we also know that Scott had taken at least one trip across the border to Mexico without fleeing. Can I make that an item on the list?

Scott claimed he swam in his friend's swimming pool and it lightened his hair.

[Anne2719]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

Scott claimed he swam in his friend's swimming pool and it lightened his hair.

Wow. His friend really should check his pH level and maybe cut down on the chlorine.

[Beebee]

Originally Posted by Anne2719

Do we know why he changed his hair color, by the way? Did he have a reasonable explanation?

I think we also know that Scott had taken at least one trip across the border to Mexico without fleeing. Can I make that an item on the list?

Scott's appearance changed between December 24, 2002 and April 18, 2003. He'd lost over 20 pounds, grown a goatee and his hair was lighter. None of these changes took place overnight, or made him unrecognizable. Scott's picture had been plastered all over the media, and slow motion video of him was being shown on TV with creepy music in the back ground. Scott had become a recognizable figure. The goatee and hair color may have helped Scott avoid being recognized by media or someone on the street, but he was not trying to use these changes to hide from the police. You can see by the photos below that Detective Grogan had seen Scott outside his home on February 18th looking almost exactly how he did on the day of his arrest.

pics taken in Feb. and at arrest shown at link

http://www.scottpetersonappeal.org/Aug06FF.html

Scott had gone to Mexico for work and returned.

Originally Posted by Anne2719

Wow. His friend really should check his pH level and maybe cut down on the chlorine.

LOL! It wasn't true.

He had, in fact, dyed it!

[Beebee]

Originally Posted by Hey Paula

Scott claimed he swam in his friend's swimming pool and it lightened his hair.

Hi Paula,

Was that in testimony? I can't remember.
Either way, police knew Scott had changed his appearance for months. He obviously didn't do it to hide from them. He was sick of being recognized and scorned, and I don't blame him.