A Killer Among Us

[2L8 4A D8]

I felt that this deserved it's own Thread. If you disagree, then contact Freshwater and ask her to move it to the Sticky - Links Only. It is a rather long article so I posted Links! JMO and MOO!!

A Killer Among Us
The Murders of Nicole Brown Smith and Ronald Goldman

An American Tragedy does not even begin to describe the sequence of events surrounding the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. In the following pages you will read about Mr. Orenthal James Simpson, you'll read about his violent temper, you will read that he regards himself so high that he's above the law.

<snipped>

You will also be presented with proof that was not allowed in court, some of the same proof that found Mr. Simpson guilty in a civil trial of wrongful death. I urge you to take off the race blinders that Johnnie Cochran so easily placed over your eyes, whether your white or black, Japanese or Mexican, take off the blinders and view these people as exactly that, people.

The Crime Scene Evidence

The murders themselves, the brutal way the couple were butchered indicates that the killings were done out of rage. Nicole's neck was cut from ear to ear, nearly severing her head from her body. Ron Goldman had numerous stab wounds including 5 puncture or "taunting" type wounds. Impersonal killings are normally done quickly so as not to draw attention. They are usually shot or stabbed once, maybe twice. A rage, or vindictive killing such as Nicole and Ron suffered, were committed by someone who hated Nicole, at the least was very angry with her. That would mean that they knew her, so who, other than OJ, that knew Nicole, would be angry enough, or hate her enough, to do what was done to her? No one but OJ.

Hair in a dark knit cap found at the murder scene would prove to belong to OJ Simpson.

Simpson's hair was found on Ronald Goldman's shirt, even though Simpson claims never to have seen, let alone met Ronald Goldman.

A key piece of evidence which, in my opinion, has been overlooked by the prosecution, is Nicole's dog. This dog, an Akita, is a family dog, a family pet, fairly big and more than likely protective. If an intruder unknown to the dog would have been inside the gate any time during the night, the dog would have went ballistic and neighbors would have heard him bark. What dog, any dog, small or large, would allow a stranger up to the door, let alone inside the compound, without barking? Yet the neighbors only heard the dog's sorrowful wail, a death cry so to speak. Also, in the event that the intruder was unknown to the dog and had attacked the intruder, wouldn't the intruder have tried to protect himself. Here's a guy that's stabbing Nicole Brown Simpson to death and this dog is just going to stand there? No way. The intruder would have stabbed the dog as well, or at the very least tried. That tells me that the dog knew who it was in the court yard, knew him well and trusted him. If you wanted to make it look real OJ you should have killed the dog.

The Crime Scene Evidence ~ Continued:
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...rime_scene.htm

Timeline for 6-12/13-94
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...j_timeline.htm

Bronco Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...nce_bronco.htm

Rockingham Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...rockingham.htm

Miscellaneous Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...dence_misc.htm

Eyewitness Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...eyewitness.htm

Was OJ Framed?
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic..._oj_framed.htm

[William Anthony]

Originally Posted by 2L8 4A D8

I felt that this deserved it's own Thread. If you disagree, then contact Freshwater and ask her to move it to the Sticky - Links Only. It is a rather long article so I posted Links! JMO and MOO!!

A Killer Among Us
The Murders of Nicole Brown Smith and Ronald Goldman

An American Tragedy does not even begin to describe the sequence of events surrounding the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. In the following pages you will read about Mr. Orenthal James Simpson, you'll read about his violent temper, you will read that he regards himself so high that he's above the law.

<snipped>

You will also be presented with proof that was not allowed in court, some of the same proof that found Mr. Simpson guilty in a civil trial of wrongful death. I urge you to take off the race blinders that Johnnie Cochran so easily placed over your eyes, whether your white or black, Japanese or Mexican, take off the blinders and view these people as exactly that, people.

The Crime Scene Evidence

The murders themselves, the brutal way the couple were butchered indicates that the killings were done out of rage. Nicole's neck was cut from ear to ear, nearly severing her head from her body. Ron Goldman had numerous stab wounds including 5 puncture or "taunting" type wounds. Impersonal killings are normally done quickly so as not to draw attention. They are usually shot or stabbed once, maybe twice. A rage, or vindictive killing such as Nicole and Ron suffered, were committed by someone who hated Nicole, at the least was very angry with her. That would mean that they knew her, so who, other than OJ, that knew Nicole, would be angry enough, or hate her enough, to do what was done to her? No one but OJ.

Hair in a dark knit cap found at the murder scene would prove to belong to OJ Simpson.

Simpson's hair was found on Ronald Goldman's shirt, even though Simpson claims never to have seen, let alone met Ronald Goldman.

A key piece of evidence which, in my opinion, has been overlooked by the prosecution, is Nicole's dog. This dog, an Akita, is a family dog, a family pet, fairly big and more than likely protective. If an intruder unknown to the dog would have been inside the gate any time during the night, the dog would have went ballistic and neighbors would have heard him bark. What dog, any dog, small or large, would allow a stranger up to the door, let alone inside the compound, without barking? Yet the neighbors only heard the dog's sorrowful wail, a death cry so to speak. Also, in the event that the intruder was unknown to the dog and had attacked the intruder, wouldn't the intruder have tried to protect himself. Here's a guy that's stabbing Nicole Brown Simpson to death and this dog is just going to stand there? No way. The intruder would have stabbed the dog as well, or at the very least tried. That tells me that the dog knew who it was in the court yard, knew him well and trusted him. If you wanted to make it look real OJ you should have killed the dog.

The Crime Scene Evidence ~ Continued:
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...rime_scene.htm

Timeline for 6-12/13-94
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...j_timeline.htm

Bronco Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...nce_bronco.htm

Rockingham Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...rockingham.htm

Miscellaneous Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...dence_misc.htm

Eyewitness Evidence
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic...eyewitness.htm

Was OJ Framed?
http://www.justicejunction.com/judic..._oj_framed.htm

Since the article supports the view that the killings were done out of rage and contradicts bobaugust's claims, I welcome the addition.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Since the article supports the view that the killings were done out of rage and contradicts bobaugust's claims, I welcome the addition.

This looks like seven sub-threads all in one.hhhmmmmmm
martinII

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally Posted by martin II

This looks like seven sub-threads all in one.hhhmmmmmm
martinII

Hmmm. Better one Thread (less bandwidth) than seven sub-threads all in one!

JMO and MOO!!

[n.n]

Originally Posted by William Anthony

Since the article supports the view that the killings were done out of rage and contradicts bobaugust's claims, I welcome the addition.

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.

[weezer]

Originally Posted by n.n

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.

orenthal james simpson murdered two human beings: Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. No one has to incite hatred for him -- most people feel disgust. IMO

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

orenthal james simpson murdered two human beings: Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. No one has to incite hatred for him -- most people feel disgust. IMO

weezer
what exactly do you mean by MOST PEOPLE ?
martin II

[Suzee10]

Originally Posted by n.n

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.

Drug dealers?????

[Suzee10]

Originally Posted by n.n

I think that drug dealers, for example, might be mighty mad at someone who owes them money. In fact, they even don' t have to be very mad at someone to kill him/her, if they want to state an example.
Assuming that only one person is capable of such a horrible crime is stretching reality a bit too far.
I have read only the first three paragraphs. In my opinion, the article is an attempt to incite hatred for Mr. Simpson. I bet I know, without reading any further, what else is addressed in the piece.

What drug dealers are you talking about? Surely not the ones in the imagination of Jc and simpson.

Where was there any proof of drug dealers?

[weezer]

Originally Posted by Suzee10

What drug dealers are you talking about? Surely not the ones in the imagination of Jc and simpson.

Where was there any proof of drug dealers?

maybe n.n. meant the drug dealers looking for orenthal to pay for the drugs found in HIS system on the night of the murders since Nicole and Ron did NOT have drugs in their system.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

maybe n.n. meant the drug dealers looking for orenthal to pay for the drugs found in HIS system on the night of the murders since Nicole and Ron did NOT have drugs in their system.

weezer

or maby the people involved in the reported drug distribution from the Mazzaula (sp) resturant, Keith Z, the people that killed BCantor and others or some from that monkey bar.
martin II

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

maybe n.n. meant the drug dealers looking for orenthal to pay for the drugs found in HIS system on the night of the murders since Nicole and Ron did NOT have drugs in their system.

weezer

or maby some people from that reported drug distribution resturant Mazzaluna (sp) where ron worked or K eith Z or people from The Monkey BAR where B cantor had his neck cut like ron.

martin II

[martin II]

weezer
have you consider that Faye was freebasing at nicoles daily and had no JOB.

That bad people had come there to see her.

They could have come to nicoles looking for fay and mistook nicole for her in the dark.
Ron could have just walked in at the wrong time.

martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

weezer

or maby the people involved in the reported drug distribution from the Mazzaula (sp) resturant, Keith Z, the people that killed BCantor and others or some from that monkey bar.
martin II

you are really having to stretch to include Nicole and Ron don't you think? what possible connection has ever been found -- by anyone -- that Nicole and Ron were involved in drug deals? NONE. you are so very pathetic to continue to bash the victims when evidence proves that there was NO connection between Nicole and Ron with using and/or selling drugs. There was evidence that orenthal had drugs in HIS system at the time of the murders. Embrace it -- accept it.

[weezer]

*Snipped*

Originally Posted by martin II

They could have come to nicoles looking for fay and mistook nicole for her in the dark.

Pathetic -- look at pictures of Nicole and Faye and tell me how they could be mistaken for each other. Good Gawd!

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

*Snipped*

Pathetic -- look at pictures of Nicole and Faye and tell me how they could be mistaken for each other. Good Gawd!

weezer

do you think drug hit men comming to a house that they knew faye lived would pull out some pictures or would they kill the first blond that answered the door.

martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

weezer

do you think drug hit men comming to a house that they knew faye lived would pull out some pictures or would they kill the first blond that answered the door.

martin II

I suppose you can point to evidence that Faye owed drug money and 'drug hit men' were at Nicole's to collect? Or is it more likely that the man who had beat and abused Nicole for 17 years and who was threatening and stalking currently went there to harm her?

You do understand that Faye was a brunette and petite while Nicole was a blonde, tall and thin don't you? I would think it would be pretty hard to mistake one for the other.

[socaldiva]

And to this today, no one has come back after Faye, the "real" target?

[weezer]

Originally Posted by socaldiva

And to this today, no one has come back after Faye, the "real" target?

I know but you can't make orenthal 'not guilty' unless you can make EVERYONE else involved (victims and LE) guilty. Pathetic.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

I suppose you can point to evidence that Faye owed drug money and 'drug hit men' were at Nicole's to collect? Or is it more likely that the man who had beat and abused Nicole for 17 years and who was threatening and stalking currently went there to harm her?

You do understand that Faye was a brunette and petite while Nicole was a blonde, tall and thin don't you? I would think it would be pretty hard to mistake one for the other.

The last picture i saw of her she was a blond.

You are not a hired killer for drug dealers now are you.
martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

The last picture i saw of her she was a blond.

You are not a hired killer for drug dealers now are you.
martin II

from your postings, I think you know more about hired killers and drug dealers than I do.

[packy]

If it was because of drugs, we still wouldn't be sure who the real target was. Mistaken identity or actually Nicole, or someone taking revenge on OJ for not complying with something. That neck wound did seem to resemble the work of someone who had practice, and could kill someone before too much commotion could draw attention. I can't believe that an enraged spouse could kill without ranting and raving, or actually doing more damage to the body than what actually was done to her. Apparently the murder was quick and basically silent, because not much was brought out about hearing anything.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

from your postings, I think you know more about hired killers and drug dealers than I do.

weezer

Your twisted view of what you get from my post does not surprise me as i know you do like to twist and streatch posters meanings a lot.

I do listen to tv crime stories and read accounts in the local print media.Thats about it. SORRY i have never killed anyone.

martin II

[martin II]

Originally Posted by packy

If it was because of drugs, we still wouldn't be sure who the real target was. Mistaken identity or actually Nicole, or someone taking revenge on OJ for not complying with something. That neck wound did seem to resemble the work of someone who had practice, and could kill someone before too much commotion could draw attention. I can't believe that an enraged spouse could kill without ranting and raving, or actually doing more damage to the body than what actually was done to her. Apparently the murder was quick and basically silent, because not much was brought out about hearing anything.

packy

I agree. For me it was all too smooth, quick and without any noise that has been reported. Nicole nor Ron were known as wimps.
martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by packy

If it was because of drugs, we still wouldn't be sure who the real target was. Mistaken identity or actually Nicole, or someone taking revenge on OJ for not complying with something. That neck wound did seem to resemble the work of someone who had practice, and could kill someone before too much commotion could draw attention. I can't believe that an enraged spouse could kill without ranting and raving, or actually doing more damage to the body than what actually was done to her. Apparently the murder was quick and basically silent, because not much was brought out about hearing anything.

We do know that it wasn't Nicole or Ron since there is absolutely no evidence that either were involved in taking or dealing or distributing drugs. I think none of us could believe orenthal was capable of the carnage he left at Bundy that night -- the evidence proved that he was. Evide is that the murders were very quick. I don't know how hard it would be to raise the head of an unconcious person and pull a knife across her throat. Maybe orenthal can tell us?

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

packy

I agree. For me it was all too smooth, quick and without any noise that has been reported. Nicole nor Ron were known as wimps.
martin II

my God martin -- 'smooth, quick and without noise'? There was a dog that wouldn't stop barking? There was testimony that two men were heard above the noise of the barking dog. There was evidence that Nicole was knocked unconcious while Ron was putting up a fierce fight for his life.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

I know but you can't make orenthal 'not guilty' unless you can make EVERYONE else involved (victims and LE) guilty. Pathetic.

weezer

all one has to do to make oj not guilty is what the prosecution did in the criminal trial.

martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

weezer

all one has to do to make oj not guilty is what the prosecution did in the criminal trial.

martin II

no that wasn't it -- all the defense had to do was drum that same old tired song about being mistreated and sending a message. Seems to work everytime.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

my God martin -- 'smooth, quick and without noise'? There was a dog that wouldn't stop barking? There was testimony that two men were heard above the noise of the barking dog. There was evidence that Nicole was knocked unconcious while Ron was putting up a fierce fight for his life.

weezer
i will try to help you get this straight.

i think the poster was referring to no noise by the victims. so stop twisting the post.

There was testimony that nicole had a bruise on her head. no proof that any one hit her, just guesses.

the coronor guessed that it took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.about 50 wounds for both.

Heidstrs said he heard the dog at bundy and gorham at the same time some believe the murders took place.

Some have guessed that nicole was knocked uncocious before ron arrived not after he arrived and was being attacked.

martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

weezer
i will try to help you get this straight.

i think the poster was referring to no noise by the victims. so stop twisting the post.

There was testimony that nicole had a bruise on her head. no proof that any one hit her, just guesses.

the coronor guessed that it took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.about 50 wounds for both.

Heidstrs said he heard the dog at bundy and gorham at the same time some believe the murders took place.

Some have guessed that nicole was knocked uncocious before ron arrived not after he arrived and was being attacked.

martin II

I don't need you of all people to 'set me straight' -- in fact, I find that laughable. You don't have a good grasp on reality when it comes to this case. You don't know the evidence and/or testimony. You can't even keep what you think you know straight.

In fact, you have also interpreted the posters statement to what YOU think was meant. What makes your interpretation anymore correct than mine?

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

no that wasn't it -- all the defense had to do was drum that same old tired song about being mistreated and sending a message. Seems to work everytime.

weezer
perhaps this persons comments will help you understand what happened in the court room.

He is talking about closing arguments by the prosecution and the defense.


The prosecution stressed Nicole brown's domestic abuse at the hand of Mr. Simpson, the DNA evidence in a rather protracted and tedious manner, the brutality of the killings, and closed by stating that if he had beaten her, he was also capable of murdering her.


the Defence Closing Statements worked through all the evidentiary material, and claimed it showed there was more than a reasonable doubt that Simpson was the murderer. In other words, it was the Defence team who took the jury through step by step over the evidence, and showed the flaws in the prosecution's case.


martin II

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

I don't need you of all people to 'set me straight' -- in fact, I find that laughable. You don't have a good grasp on reality when it comes to this case. You don't know the evidence and/or testimony. You can't even keep what you think you know straight.

In fact, you have also interpreted the posters statement to what YOU think was meant. What makes your interpretation anymore correct than mine?

weezer
then maby you can ask the poster to explain the meaning. I assume she was talking about the lack of noise by the victime.
martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

weezer
perhaps this persons comments will help you understand what happened in the court room.

He is talking about closing arguments by the prosecution and the defense.


The prosecution stressed Nicole brown's domestic abuse at the hand of Mr. Simpson, the DNA evidence in a rather protracted and tedious manner, the brutality of the killings, and closed by stating that if he had beaten her, he was also capable of murdering her.


the Defence Closing Statements worked through all the evidentiary material, and claimed it showed there was more than a reasonable doubt that Simpson was the murderer. In other words, it was the Defence team who took the jury through step by step over the evidence, and showed the flaws in the prosecution's case.


martin II

I understand what happened in the courtroom and your post only goes to prove my point. The prosecution relied on testimony and evidence while the jury relied on cochran and team to tell them it was okay to let a double murderer go free in order to send their message. Like I've said, we heard it.

[packy]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

I don't need you of all people to 'set me straight' -- in fact, I find that laughable. You don't have a good grasp on reality when it comes to this case. You don't know the evidence and/or testimony. You can't even keep what you think you know straight.

In fact, you have also interpreted the posters statement to what YOU think was meant. What makes your interpretation anymore correct than mine?

Sorry about not being more clear. I did mean more yelling from the victims but then it appears there was not much time, because I believe Nicole's wound caused a quick death. That seems to be the work of someone with experience cutting throats IMO. And if it was OJ, I couldn't imagine him doing this without ranting at her, calling names etc. Thinking in terms of rage and/or jealousy.

[martin II]

Originally Posted by packy

Sorry about not being more clear. I did mean more yelling from the victims but then it appears there was not much time, because I believe Nicole's wound caused a quick death. That seems to be the work of someone with experience cutting throats IMO. And if it was OJ, I couldn't imagine him doing this without ranting at her, calling names etc. Thinking in terms of rage and/or jealousy.

packy
thanks for you post.

Brent Cantor a dealer that worked at the monkey bar, a known drug location. a bar frequented by Niocle, Ron and some other of their friends was killed in the identical manner, throat slit, as ron and it was reported that drugs was involved.
So the efficiency of the killings of ron and nicole did appear to done by a professional killer/s
martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by packy

Sorry about not being more clear. I did mean more yelling from the victims but then it appears there was not much time, because I believe Nicole's wound caused a quick death. That seems to be the work of someone with experience cutting throats IMO. And if it was OJ, I couldn't imagine him doing this without ranting at her, calling names etc. Thinking in terms of rage and/or jealousy.

evidence is that Nicole was unconcious and we did hear Ron yell, "Hey, hey, hey!" I guess in the minute to minute in a half it to for orenthal to butcher him, that's probably all he had time to say.

I believe orenthal did his yelling and ranting earlier on the phone. Based on the Grenta Green incident, that seems to have been his MO --

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

I understand what happened in the courtroom and your post only goes to prove my point. The prosecution relied on testimony and evidence while the jury relied on cochran and team to tell them it was okay to let a double murderer go free in order to send their message. Like I've said, we heard it.

i dont see how you got that out of that post. it said the opposite of what you are now twisting and bending.
maby you did not read it.
martin II

[weezer]

Originally Posted by martin II

packy
thanks for you post.

Brent Cantor a dealer that worked at the monkey bar, a known drug location. a bar frequented by Niocle, Ron and some other of their friends was killed in the identical manner, throat slit, as ron and it was reported that drugs was involved.
So the efficiency of the killings of ron and nicole did appear to done by a professional killer/s
martin II

I keep trying to make the connection that you have with this. Of all the hundreds of people that went to that bar and with no evidence that Nicole even knew Cantor and with no evidence that Nicole and/or Ron took, dealt, or distributed drugs, how do you make the leap that the two incidents were related?

Wasn't there testimony that orenthal was shown how to slit a throat like a professional for the movie he was involved in at the time of the murders?

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

evidence is that Nicole was unconcious and we did hear Ron yell, "Hey, hey, hey!" I guess in the minute to minute in a half it to for orenthal to butcher him, that's probably all he had time to say.

I believe orenthal did his yelling and ranting earlier on the phone. Based on the Grenta Green incident, that seems to have been his MO --

weeaer

naw
it looks to me like they were being controlled and killed by two killers especially since you think it only took 1 1/2 minutes to kill both.

Have you ever wondered if the phone call Faye made to nicole on 6/12
was made to see if nicole was in fact home for the night?

martin II

[martin II]

Originally Posted by fbgweezer

I keep trying to make the connection that you have with this. Of all the hundreds of people that went to that bar and with no evidence that Nicole even knew Cantor and with no evidence that Nicole and/or Ron took, dealt, or distributed drugs, how do you make the leap that the two incidents were related?

Wasn't there testimony that orenthal was shown how to slit a throat like a professional for the movie he was involved in at the time of the murders?

weezer
i will help you again

It is related because the killings were done in the exact same manner. Professionally looking slit throats and the victims hung out in the same drug bar.

acting in a movie does not give one expertise in carrying out a acting part in real life. in case you don't realize this.

You think Tom Cruise can kill in actual life as he does in movies.

martin II