The Danish book

[Sharon]

Was there a book left mysteriously on the R. bedroom dresser that did not belong to either of them. Was this book written in Danish & called the Grand Design.? The significance of this imo greatly over shadows some of the other clues that are debated here!

[LindaA]

Sharon. this is the first I've ever heard of this. Where did you hear about it? Do you mean that it was actually left on their bedroom dresser or in a spare bedroom?

[Sharon]

Well, I read it on one of the other sites well known here. They had a link to the le interview where PR is asked about it. Its a very rare edition of a book that is written in Danish. It is about a crime as well.

The wife of the santa was really into the Danish Author Isak Dinesen & did a masters on him. She wrote a play too where a girl was kidnapped & dragged into the basment. Also, her daughter was strangled as well from what I remember reading.

Add to this that Santa was into porn with kids, free speech about it, and was obsessed with JBR.

All this is discussed on the other site with what seems to be credibility.

The santa guy & his wife were quite the nomads & definately lived by their own rules.

It was also discussed that there were many similar child murders near Boulder at the time but they were hushed up. The murders include Tracy Neef, Marilee Burt & Alie Berelez.

It was insinuated that the Santa guy & his wife were in a pedo ring & maybe dealved in pagean rituals beliefs. One person linked to a type of google of `witches in Boulder` or `paegan groups in Boulder` & surprisingly there are great numbers of these groups. Im not suggesting that witches are murderers just that there are some pagean rituals that involve child sacrifice & molistation.

[sweetcharlotte]

I have always wondered why Santa's wife was questioned only once by BPD.

[Louisadelmar]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Was there a book left mysteriously on the R. bedroom dresser that did not belong to either of them. Was this book written in Danish & called the Grand Design.? The significance of this imo greatly over shadows some of the other clues that are debated here!

Patsy 1998 interview:
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about everybody in
13 your room on your bedroom dresser there was a book by
14 David Pilgram (phonetic), a Danish book.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not good at remembering
16 authors.
17 TOM HANEY: I think this was in Danish. Do
18 you read different languages?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
20 TOM HANEY: Would John, does he?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was written in Danish?
22 TOM HANEY: That is my understanding.
23 TRIP DEMUTH: Yeah.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: What kind of book?
25 TOM HANEY: I don't read it.
0446
1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Not familiar.

Added:
 Danish Book Found.
1. According to Internet poster Braveheart, a book written in Danish language by David Pilgrim found on Patsy's dresser (this would be one of two books, or both, written by Hilary Aidan St. George Saunders and John Leslie Palmer, British authors, writing under the pseudonym of David Pilgrim; "No Common Glory" & "The Grand Design", both available in German, English and Danish translations. They are classified as historical crime fiction novels. I don’t know the plot of these but my guess is that since neither John nor Patsy spoke Danish, and didn’t recognize the book, these have something to do with the crime and were left by the murderer."
2. According to Internet poster Evening2, "a book was found on Patsy's dresser which she had never seen before nor had she ever read. The book was written in Danish. The title of the book is "The Grand Design", by David Pilgrim. David Pilgrim is one of many pseudonyms that was used by two authors. In 1998 police interviews, Patsy said neither she nor John spoke Danish and she did not know where this book came from.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/The%20House

[thewhitewitch1]

Originally Posted by Louisadelmar

Patsy 1998 interview:
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about everybody in
13 your room on your bedroom dresser there was a book by
14 David Pilgram (phonetic), a Danish book.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not good at remembering
16 authors.
17 TOM HANEY: I think this was in Danish. Do
18 you read different languages?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
20 TOM HANEY: Would John, does he?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was written in Danish?
22 TOM HANEY: That is my understanding.
23 TRIP DEMUTH: Yeah.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: What kind of book?
25 TOM HANEY: I don't read it.
0446
1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Not familiar.

Added:
 Danish Book Found.
1. According to Internet poster Braveheart, a book written in Danish language by David Pilgrim found on Patsy's dresser (this would be one of two books, or both, written by Hilary Aidan St. George Saunders and John Leslie Palmer, British authors, writing under the pseudonym of David Pilgrim; "No Common Glory" & "The Grand Design", both available in German, English and Danish translations. They are classified as historical crime fiction novels. I don’t know the plot of these but my guess is that since neither John nor Patsy spoke Danish, and didn’t recognize the book, these have something to do with the crime and were left by the murderer."
2. According to Internet poster Evening2, "a book was found on Patsy's dresser which she had never seen before nor had she ever read. The book was written in Danish. The title of the book is "The Grand Design", by David Pilgrim. David Pilgrim is one of many pseudonyms that was used by two authors. In 1998 police interviews, Patsy said neither she nor John spoke Danish and she did not know where this book came from.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/The%20House

This is interesting but once again, I question the Ramseys typical "I don't know" and "I've never seen it before" answers. Was JR asked about this?
So are we to assume that Mrs. or Mr. McSanta tip-toed upstairs at some point and planted that book on their dresser? Why? When?
If it could be traced back to them, why would they leave such a thing?
Sharon, where do you get your info that McSanta was into kiddie porn?
Addmittedly the McSantas were a bit of "odd ducks" but they did not have a key to the Ramseys and somehow I cannot envision these two elderly folks sliding through the window and commiting this crime. I do not believe they could physically carry it off in any way, shape or form. IMO

[Louisadelmar]

McSanta was into adult porn.

[LindaA]

Whitewitch, I have to say I agree with you. The only way I could imagine tht book being on their dresser is if the perp had left it there prior to their returning home and they just didn't notice it as they prepared for bed. Possible, but strange.

However, I have always wondered about the McSantas. That play she wrote about the child being murdered in her own basement, and the fact that their own child had once been kidnapped seemed just too coincidental.

Maybe a door was open while the R's were aat the Whites' that was subsequently locked as they were preparing for bed. I have always thought the murderer was in the house for several hours before they returned home. And don't say there is no evidence of anyone because a we don't know what all of the evidence is and 2.) LE didn't do such a hot job of investigating the crime scene in the first place.

[Louisadelmar]

Originally Posted by LindaA

Whitewitch, I have to say I agree with you. The only way I could imagine tht book being on their dresser is if the perp had left it there prior to their returning home and they just didn't notice it as they prepared for bed. Possible, but strange.

However, I have always wondered about the McSantas. That play she wrote about the child being murdered in her own basement, and the fact that their own child had once been kidnapped seemed just too coincidental.

Maybe a door was open while the R's were aat the Whites' that was subsequently locked as they were preparing for bed. I have always thought the murderer was in the house for several hours before they returned home. And don't say there is no evidence of anyone because a we don't know what all of the evidence is and 2.) LE didn't do such a hot job of investigating the crime scene in the first place.

I wonder if BPD bothered to fingerprint the book.

[thewhitewitch1]

Originally Posted by LindaA

Whitewitch, I have to say I agree with you. The only way I could imagine tht book being on their dresser is if the perp had left it there prior to their returning home and they just didn't notice it as they prepared for bed. Possible, but strange.

However, I have always wondered about the McSantas. That play she wrote about the child being murdered in her own basement, and the fact that their own child had once been kidnapped seemed just too coincidental.

Maybe a door was open while the R's were aat the Whites' that was subsequently locked as they were preparing for bed. I have always thought the murderer was in the house for several hours before they returned home. And don't say there is no evidence of anyone because a we don't know what all of the evidence is and 2.) LE didn't do such a hot job of investigating the crime scene in the first place.

If I am not mistaken, the play was not written about a child being murdered in her own basement. The play, based on a book, which was based on a true story was about a child who was with a "care taker" in the care takers home and was abused repeatedly by members of that family. The murder would have occured in the care takers basement, unless Mrs. McSanta tweaked the story. Many murders occur in basements.
Was the McSantas child really kidnapped, as in ransom note, or was she abducted? There is a huge difference.
This case is filled with coincidences at every turn and involving many people, including the Ramseys. IMO

[andU]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Was there a book left mysteriously on the R. bedroom dresser that did not belong to either of them. Was this book written in Danish & called the Grand Design.? The significance of this imo greatly over shadows some of the other clues that are debated here!

You know, I remember reading in the newspaper about the case when it happened and about a book that had been left on their dresser and didn't belong to either P or J .... I don't have the article, of course, it was a Cincinnati newspaper, probably from the AP Wire service.

[andU]

Originally Posted by Louisadelmar

McSanta was into adult porn.

As I recall McSanta is deceased and Mrs. lives in New England somewhere, Maine, maybe. Didn't we discuss this here not long ago?

[LindaA]

Originally Posted by andU

As I recall McSanta is deceased and Mrs. lives in New England somewhere, Maine, maybe. Didn't we discuss this here not long ago?

Yes, we did.

[andU]

Originally Posted by LindaA

Yes, we did.

Thank you, Linda.

[bullmoose]

Is there any evidence that the Reynolds, or McSantas spoke or read Danish? If not , then how would any connection be made between them and the book?

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by bullmoose

Is there any evidence that the Reynolds, or McSantas spoke or read Danish? If not , then how would any connection be made between them and the book?

Well, the wife of Mcsanta did a masters on a particular danish author, which shows considerable interest to say the least in danish literature.

Someone also left other clues around the house being a dictionary earmarked at a page that opened to incest (I think that was the word) and wasnt there a bible opened that may be a clue or not?

I wish I had saved the discussion on the other site because it seemed to be factual & ground breaking. I was relying on someone here to confirm the truth or relevence of it.

The santa guy & his wife are both persons of interest imo. The more I find out about them the more suspisious they get to me.

I can remember reading about another girl from JBR dance class being almost abducted by an intruder.

Also, these paegen rituals involve one child sacrifice who would be sacrificed for the festival of green trees.

[Sharon]

Also, the wife of the santa guy was a film critic from what I read. Many of the terms in the rn are from films such ie Dirty Harry.

As it turns out, Mc Santas daughter was killed or died almost 20 years to the day of JBR death under similar (but also different) circumstances of an intruder killing her.

Lastly, the book would not have stood out to P. or J. as it was in a plain cover & they had many books on the dresser & in the bedbroom.

[Louisadelmar]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Also, the wife of the santa guy was a film critic from what I read. Many of the terms in the rn are from films such ie Dirty Harry.

As it turns out, Mc Santas daughter was killed or died almost 20 years to the day of JBR death under similar (but also different) circumstances of an intruder killing her.

Lastly, the book would not have stood out to P. or J. as it was in a plain cover & they had many books on the dresser & in the bedbroom.

No. The daughter was kidnapped with a friend. The friend was molested. Both girls survived.

[shill]

The DA thought they had a slam dunk on McReynolds.

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Louisadelmar

No. The daughter was kidnapped with a friend. The friend was molested. Both girls survived.

I also find it strange that both girls were kidnapped but only one molested?

I'll add more to this discussion as soon as time permits. Sighs.....

[Athena]

Originally Posted by shill

The DA thought they had a slam dunk on McReynolds.

And ST from the beginning never thought him a suspect..... due to his heart surgery.

[shill]

Originally Posted by Athena

I also find it strange that both girls were kidnapped but only one molested?

I'll add more to this discussion as soon as time permits. Sighs.....

That would be Mrs. Santa's daughter, which leads me to believe she had a prior marriage, and her son has a prior kidnapping charge according to Wiki.
Could her son have been the one who abducted her daughter and friend and molested her friend 22 years ago?
I think Mrs. Santa is more suspect than Mr..

[Athena]

Originally Posted by Louisadelmar

Patsy 1998 interview:
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about everybody in
13 your room on your bedroom dresser there was a book by
14 David Pilgram (phonetic), a Danish book.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not good at remembering
16 authors.
17 TOM HANEY: I think this was in Danish. Do
18 you read different languages?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
20 TOM HANEY: Would John, does he?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was written in Danish?
22 TOM HANEY: That is my understanding.
23 TRIP DEMUTH: Yeah.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: What kind of book?
25 TOM HANEY: I don't read it.
0446
1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Not familiar.

Added:
 Danish Book Found.
1. According to Internet poster Braveheart, a book written in Danish language by David Pilgrim found on Patsy's dresser (this would be one of two books, or both, written by Hilary Aidan St. George Saunders and John Leslie Palmer, British authors, writing under the pseudonym of David Pilgrim; "No Common Glory" & "The Grand Design", both available in German, English and Danish translations. They are classified as historical crime fiction novels. I don’t know the plot of these but my guess is that since neither John nor Patsy spoke Danish, and didn’t recognize the book, these have something to do with the crime and were left by the murderer."
2. According to Internet poster Evening2, "a book was found on Patsy's dresser which she had never seen before nor had she ever read. The book was written in Danish. The title of the book is "The Grand Design", by David Pilgrim. David Pilgrim is one of many pseudonyms that was used by two authors. In 1998 police interviews, Patsy said neither she nor John spoke Danish and she did not know where this book came from.
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/The%20House

I remember doing some research on David Pilgram. Both of his books were fictional historical versions of the life James de La Cloche but I have yet to figure out what the significance of the books would be re: the murder? It has also been said that FW spoke Danish.

Record 19 out of 25 Previous Record Next Record
Author : LinkPilgrim, David, pseud.
Title : LinkThe grand design, by David Pilgrim.
Edition : [1st ed.]
Published : New York, Harper [1943]

Locations/Orders : Availability
Location : WidenerLibrary Info Harvard Depository 23761.85.3110 [Consult Circ. Desk for HNNCH6] Holdings Availability

Description : 388 p. 21 cm.
Subject : LinkLa Cloche, James de, 1644?-1669 -- Fiction.
HOLLIS Number : 003477946

Author : LinkPilgrim, David, pseud.
Title : LinkNo common glory, by David Pilgrim...
Published : New York London, Harper & brothers [c1941]

Locations/Orders : Availability
Location : WidenerLibrary Info Harvard Depository 23761.85.3100 [Consult Circ. Desk for HNNCH5] Holdings Availability

Description : 3 p. l. 442 p. 22 cm.
Notes : "First edition"
Subject : LinkLa Cloche, James de, 1644?-1669 -- Fiction.
LinkCharles II, King of England, 1630-1685 -- Fiction.
HOLLIS Number : 003476955

http://tinyurl.com/yvsjeb

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_de_la_Cloche

[considering]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Well, I read it on one of the other sites well known here. They had a link to the le interview where PR is asked about it. Its a very rare edition of a book that is written in Danish. It is about a crime as well.

The wife of the santa was really into the Danish Author Isak Dinesen & did a masters on him. She wrote a play too where a girl was kidnapped & dragged into the basment. Also, her daughter was strangled as well from what I remember reading.

Add to this that Santa was into porn with kids, free speech about it, and was obsessed with JBR.

All this is discussed on the other site with what seems to be credibility.

The santa guy & his wife were quite the nomads & definately lived by their own rules.

It was also discussed that there were many similar child murders near Boulder at the time but they were hushed up. The murders include Tracy Neef, Marilee Burt & Alie Berelez.

It was insinuated that the Santa guy & his wife were in a pedo ring & maybe dealved in pagean rituals beliefs. One person linked to a type of google of `witches in Boulder` or `paegan groups in Boulder` & surprisingly there are great numbers of these groups. Im not suggesting that witches are murderers just that there are some pagean rituals that involve child sacrifice & molistation.

A small clarification about the portion in bold. Isak Dinesen was a woman, and she wrote in English. Isak is pronounced EE-sock, but regardless, it's a pseudonym. She wrote Out of Africa, but she also wrote some dark short stories.

"Karen Blixen (1885-1962) is the best known, and possibly the greatest, Danish writer of the twentieth century. Her reputation as an author rests on several books written in English under the pseudonym Isak Dinesen, including: Seven Gothic Tales (1934), Winter's Tales (1942), and Out of Africa (1938). The movie Out of Africa (1985) celebrates her life as a pioneer coffee farmer in Kenya from 1914 to 1931."

http://www.karenblixen.com/

Just for the record re: Mrs. McReynolds and her masters' thesis...

Still the Danish book on the Ramsey dresser does seem odd.

[Sharon]

[quote=Athena;8815136]I remember doing some research on David Pilgram. Both of his books were fictional historical versions of the life James de La Cloche but I have yet to figure out what the significance of the books would be re: the murder? It has also been said that FW spoke Danish.

I read that FW had a dutch mother???? Maybe someone can confirm this?

It was put out there that the Mc Santas might have done the deed to help FW cover up his child porno ring. It was suggested that as they are witches they put in clues to point to FW as that is their way of doing things.

The above explaination involves belief that paegan rituals & child porn were behind the well planned murder.

I personally advice you to google Boulder witch groups or similar just out of curiosity. Im sure most paegan worshippers are harmless and I dont mean to slander any religion here.

Im more concintrating on sick people who might use their interpretation of a religion to justify doing what they want in the first place.

[Sharon]

[quote=Athena;8815136]I remember doing some research on David Pilgram. Both of his books were fictional historical versions of the life James de La Cloche but I have yet to figure out what the significance of the books would be re: the murder? It has also been said that FW spoke Danish.

The other site had many seemingly learned posters say that this book was 100% relevant to the murder of JBR. One or more posters ordered the book in english & were reading it and it was about some sort of crime/s (cant remember). Many parts were eiry such was the connection.

Does anyone read the other main sites to find & link to what I am saying??

Next time I will save it!

[Athena]

Link to "McReynolds Timeline", articles and interesting discussion:

http://tinyurl.com/2uo646

[Athena]

Theory re: McReynolds:

"Did the Santa Claus Kill JBR"

Outlining the evidence FOR and AGAINST the Santa did it theory

http://www.justicemag.com/community/forums/3/3333.html

[Athena]

[quote=Sharon;8815248]

Originally Posted by Athena

I remember doing some research on David Pilgram. Both of his books were fictional historical versions of the life James de La Cloche but I have yet to figure out what the significance of the books would be re: the murder? It has also been said that FW spoke Danish.

The other site had many seemingly learned posters say that this book was 100% relevant to the murder of JBR. One or more posters ordered the book in english & were reading it and it was about some sort of crime/s (cant remember). Many parts were eiry such was the connection.

Does anyone read the other main sites to find & link to what I am saying??

Next time I will save it!

Is Janet Doris Ballew aka Janet McReynolds?

[thewhitewitch1]

It's really hard to place any significance on Patsy claiming to not know where this "Danish" book came from. Apparently she was just as unaware of most of the books she was asked about.

June 1998
22 TOM HANEY: Now, in the house in addition to
23 several bibles, you had a ton of books. Let's take a
24 couple of minutes and talk about some of those, some
25 which you may know something about, maybe you don't.
0445
1 How about the book Mind?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
3 TOM HANEY: Do you recall that? Do you
4 recall seeing it around the house?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Huh-uh.
6 TOM HANEY: You were not reading.
7 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
8 TOM HANEY: It is a book by John Douglas.
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.
10 TOM HANEY: Do you know who he is?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: John Douglas I know.
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about everybody in
13 your room on your bedroom dresser there was a book by
14 David Pilgram (phonetic), a Danish book.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not good at remembering
16 authors.
17 TOM HANEY: I think this was in Danish. Do
18 you read different languages?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
20 TOM HANEY: Would John, does he?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was written in Danish?
22 TOM HANEY: That is my understanding.
23 TRIP DEMUTH: Yeah.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: What kind of book?
25 TOM HANEY: I don't read it.
0446
1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Not familiar.
2 TOM HANEY: How about a book called Camp Fire
3 Stories?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Camp Fire Stories, I think
5 that is one of the kids' books.
6 TOM HANEY: Was it?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: I think so.
8 TOM HANEY: I don't think it is probably a
9 kid book.
10 PATSY RAMSEY: All right. Oh, the kids song
11 around camp fires, ghost story books.
12 TOM HANEY: Maybe that book -- okay. By the
13 way, if it doesn't mean anything to you --
14 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
15 TOM HANEY: How about Whirlwind by Clavel
16 (phonetic).
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I didn't read it.
18 TOM HANEY: How about What Wives Wish Their
19 Husbands Knew About Women?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: My husband's. No.
21 TOM HANEY: You didn't.
22 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
23 TOM HANEY: So would these be John's if they
24 were in there and not yours?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I mean, he had
0447
1 a lot of books, but I don't know.
2 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about a book called
3 Why johnny Can't Tell Right From Wrong?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. That was about -- my
5 dad gave me that. That was about education, the school
6 system.
7 TOM HANEY: How about The Sensuous Man?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: I heard of that. I don't
9 remember reading it.
10 TOM HANEY: Okay. Do you remember, did you
11 buy it or John buy it?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: If I remember right, I didn't
13 buy it. I know I didn't buy it.
14 Do you know if it was paper back or --
15 TOM HANEY: I think it was a hard bound.
16 TRIP DEMUTH: I don't know.
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I can't say.
18 TOM HANEY: How about The Day After Tomorrow
19 was the book title?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Was that a James Bond movie or
21 something? (Inaudible). James Bond.
22 TOM HANEY: Where he dies or something.
23 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
24 TOM HANEY: I don't think there is any
25 connection.
0448
1 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I don't know. I can't
2 remember that.
3 TOM HANEY: What kind of reading did you do?
4 Are you a Tom Clancey, Steven King?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
6 TOM HANEY: What kind of books?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: To tell you the truth, I don't
8 know that I read all that much. I mean, I read a lot
9 of magazines and that kind of thing. I read the
10 Mitsford (phonetic) books, but I think that was after
11 Susan Stine got me those.
12 TOM HANEY: What is that?
13 PATSY RAMSEY: It is a series of books about
14 a small town priest and they are just really sweet. It
15 is hard to find a book that doesn't have something to
16 do with murder or something like that, you know. These
17 were very nice.
18 TOM HANEY: And that is what you prefer now.
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
20 TOM HANEY: You said you read a lot of
21 magazines, what?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Southern Living, Southern
23 Accent kind of stuff, decorating kind of.
24 TOM HANEY: Anything else? Did you have
25 regular subscriptions to those?
0449
1 PATSY RAMSEY: No. John got flying
2 magazines.
3 TOM HANEY: But you just pick them up at the
4 grocery store or whatever?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.


Does this mean the "intruder" brought an entire library in with him? I never cease to be amazed at what the Ramseys claim to know nothing about that is right in their own home. Patsy didn't even know whether the ceiling fan in JBs room had a light on it.
Also, take the "Santa Bear", for example. Patsy seemed pretty proud of the fact that she had a "nationwide" search going regarding that bear, when it came from one of JBs pageants. I don't know what it's like to have so much crap that I can't recognize what belongs to me and what doesn't (and I do have a lot of crap) but I know I am not impressed when others think it is "evidence" of an intruder when the Ramseys claim they don't recognize a flashlight, a teddy bear, a book or whatever. There seems to be an epidemic of that, as far as they are concerned. IMO

[Athena]

In all fairness re: that interview if the books did not belong to Patsy or part of her reading collection why would she be familiar with them? Was John asked about these books? I'm the reader in my family; I have a huge library and if you asked my husband about the books he honestly wouldn't have a clue. There are books my son and daughter have and if I did not buy them wouldn't know what they were. As far as the flashlight goes I believe Patsy or John (don't remember without reading the interview again) said it looked like it was a different color but the interrogator said it was tested and did admit that JAR had bought them a flashlight that looked like it. JMO

[Louisadelmar]

My copy of The Grand Design just arrived.

[Eagle1]

Originally Posted by thewhitewitch1

It's really hard to place any significance on Patsy claiming to not know where this "Danish" book came from. Apparently she was just as unaware of most of the books she was asked about.......................
Also, take the "Santa Bear", for example. Patsy seemed pretty proud of the fact that she had a "nationwide" search going regarding that bear, when it came from one of JBs pageants. I don't know what it's like to have so much crap that I can't recognize what belongs to me and what doesn't (and I do have a lot of crap) but I know I am not impressed when others think it is "evidence" of an intruder when the Ramseys claim they don't recognize a flashlight, a teddy bear, a book or whatever. There seems to be an epidemic of that, as far as they are concerned. IMO

Speaking of books, especially one written in Danish, bears, rituals, etc., all of which could be so true, Patsy would have recognized at least the WHITE pageant bear, but wasn't there also a brown bear, maybe in cowboy boots, which PR said she didn't recognize, on JonBenet's other bed the morning after, and that it was "shabby"?

At another forum yesterday I read that there's a picture of a little boy with a white bear. Wasn't it in fact brown? They didn't give a link to the picture.

Very interesting thread. I don't think I'd ever heard of the Danish book. McSanta's having had a heart problem doesn't necessarily exclude him at all. And about possible rituals, don't forget his celtic (small) harp with the notches on it for his dead little "friends" !

[cami]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Well, the wife of Mcsanta did a masters on a particular danish author, which shows considerable interest to say the least in danish literature.

Someone also left other clues around the house being a dictionary earmarked at a page that opened to incest (I think that was the word) and wasnt there a bible opened that may be a clue or not?

I wish I had saved the discussion on the other site because it seemed to be factual & ground breaking. I was relying on someone here to confirm the truth or relevence of it.

The santa guy & his wife are both persons of interest imo. The more I find out about them the more suspisious they get to me.

I can remember reading about another girl from JBR dance class being almost abducted by an intruder.

Also, these paegen rituals involve one child sacrifice who would be sacrificed for the festival of green trees.

but would they leave a child's body the way JB's was left? wouldn't they paint or put markings on her body as a sign of their sacrifice? aren't pagans just in tune completely with nature and believe that everything has a soul/spirit as opposed to us pseudo christians who believe only humans have a soul/spirit? I am unable to find a child sacrifice mentioned in the festival of green trees.. celebrating the winter solistice.... I think you are way off base. Just my opinion though and nothing more.

[cami]

Does this mean the "intruder" brought an entire library in with him? I never cease to be amazed at what the Ramseys claim to know nothing about that is right in their own home. Patsy didn't even know whether the ceiling fan in JBs room had a light on it.
Also, take the "Santa Bear", for example. Patsy seemed pretty proud of the fact that she had a "nationwide" search going regarding that bear, when it came from one of JBs pageants. I don't know what it's like to have so much crap that I can't recognize what belongs to me and what doesn't (and I do have a lot of crap) but I know I am not impressed when others think it is "evidence" of an intruder when the Ramseys claim they don't recognize a flashlight, a teddy bear, a book or whatever. There seems to be an epidemic of that, as far as they are concerned. IMO

Very well coaching by their attornies. never admit, don't commit.

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by cami

but would they leave a child's body the way JB's was left? wouldn't they paint or put markings on her body as a sign of their sacrifice? aren't pagans just in tune completely with nature and believe that everything has a soul/spirit as opposed to us pseudo christians who believe only humans have a soul/spirit? I am unable to find a child sacrifice mentioned in the festival of green trees.. celebrating the winter solistice.... I think you are way off base. Just my opinion though and nothing more.

Im just asking like you are. I am just putting forward theories discussed by others to try to get feedback. It seems that at the end of the day, no theory seems to fit the crime. Its very sad imo that so little real evidence is available to solve this crime. jmo

[thewhitewitch1]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Im just asking like you are. I am just putting forward theories discussed by others to try to get feedback. It seems that at the end of the day, no theory seems to fit the crime. Its very sad imo that so little real evidence is available to solve this crime. jmo

Actually, the "accident and cover up" theory fits the crime quite well. The FBI seemed to think so, anyway, as do many other experts. What doesn't seem to fit is the squeaky clean perfect image that the Ramseys have portrayed of themselves and their lives. All that glitters is not gold, though. IMO

[bullmoose]

Originally Posted by thewhitewitch1

Actually, the "accident and cover up" theory fits the crime quite well. The FBI seemed to think so, anyway, as do many other experts. What doesn't seem to fit is the squeaky clean perfect image that the Ramseys have portrayed of themselves and their lives. All that glitters is not gold, though. IMO

I really hate to have point this out to you,TWW, that only iron pyrite--fool's gold glitters. I am a retired miner and have worked in a number of gold mines, in this I am an expert--relatively speaking. Even highly refined gold does not glitter, it sort of glows in the light. As for the accident and cover-up theory, I think my ET and Bigfoot theory fits just as well. ET dropped his phaser on Jonbenet's head just as Bigfoot was strangling her, which is why the garrotte was pulled so tight. The scream was from when ET hit her with the phaser blast initially, the later scraping sounds Tober keeps saying was paint cans was in actuality the saucer being positioned by Bigfoot for takeoff. Many of the MIB experts agree that this theory fits best the known facts, as do many Roswellian scholars. JMHO

[thewhitewitch1]

Originally Posted by bullmoose

I really hate to have point this out to you,TWW, that only iron pyrite--fool's gold glitters. I am a retired miner and have worked in a number of gold mines, in this I am an expert--relatively speaking. Even highly refined gold does not glitter, it sort of glows in the light. As for the accident and cover-up theory, I think my ET and Bigfoot theory fits just as well. ET dropped his phaser on Jonbenet's head just as Bigfoot was strangling her, which is why the garrotte was pulled so tight. The scream was from when ET hit her with the phaser blast initially, the later scraping sounds Tober keeps saying was paint cans was in actuality the saucer being positioned by Bigfoot for takeoff. Many of the MIB experts agree that this theory fits best the known facts, as do many Roswellian scholars. JMHO

Bullmoose, you crack me up.
I guess those FBI agents and other experts must be pretty dumb, huh?

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by thewhitewitch1

Actually, the "accident and cover up" theory fits the crime quite well. The FBI seemed to think so, anyway, as do many other experts. What doesn't seem to fit is the squeaky clean perfect image that the Ramseys have portrayed of themselves and their lives. All that glitters is not gold, though. IMO

If only it were so.
Imo, your accident theory would have been the best way for it to have happened if it had to happen.

But, the autopsy doesnt allow for this imo.

And I for one dont want to waste time on this least possible theory imo.

If people want to argue that the R. did it or were involved Im listening, but only if its not an accidental haed bash & fake garrot.

jmo