Foreign rope & guest room bed

[Kor]

I have followed up some details on this case base on some sites, & forums, including this one, and got curious about “foreign rope found on bed of the guest room” near JB’s room under clues at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBenet_Ramsey

Are there any more details about it? Is that foreign rope the same type used on JB? Is the guest room’s bed the same bed where the police found its skirt uneven as a sign of possible intruder hiding underneath? Did they find anything else under like fibers, DNA, rub marks on carpet, or something? If nothing, does it means they were staged?

[nuisanceposter]

No, the rope found in JAR's room was not the same as the cord used on JonBenet. Lou Smit developed the dust ruffle being askew into his intruder theory based on the picture of the bed with the dust ruffle askew, here:

http://www.maketoast.com/jardustruffle.gif

Try this thread for some more info plus pictures of rope looking just like the rope found in JAR's room being used in the Ramsey home and a photo of JonBenet as decoration (a third of the way down on the page.)

http://www.forumsforjustice.org/foru...ead.php?t=4708

[KingCoyote]

Kor:

I am so glad you brought up the issue of the rope in JAR's room. The rope isn't of as much importance to me as the sack/bag that it was in. Without going back to the Interviews there seemed to have been some hesitance on the part of Law Enforcement to identify that sack/bag that it was in but that isn't my main issue. Trace particles from the sack/bag were found in JBR's bed (see Judge Julie Carnes Order P.16) and were found on the body and in the body bag that JBR was taken in. (Also see P. 16 Carnes Order) the bag/sack was then found next to the chair in JAR's bedroom. [Somebody check me on that since I only glanced at my notes and didn't "fact" check before posting.]

The interesting thing about all of where the trace evidence is found is that when I do a "flow of evidence" it is one of the things that pops up in so many rooms and locations. That means either the bag was brought into JBR's room close to the bed and JBR's body and returned to JAR's room; the killer brought the evidence in with him or her by transferance before or after the crime; an innocent transferance of evidence brought the trace evidence from JAR's to JBR's room; the bag was in the basement and moved from the basement back to JAR's room either through JBR's room or via the person transferring the bag. Did I miss any options?????.....anyway you have to tie that rope sack/bag to the flow of the crime and sequence the events to make sense.

Both Patsy and John in their 1998 Interviews with Law Enforcement said that JAR might have owned the bag and rope since he was into outdoor activities and possibly camping. JR's comments were on P 534 of his interview and PR's comments may have been aroiund P 284 or P 435. Those were the pages where the questions about JAR's room occurred.

This kind of evidence is what makes this case so unbelievably frustrating when you try to look at just physical evidence. It is a maze of things to sort out.

Good luck everyone...this one has puzzled me for weeks. Maybe I have just overanalyzed it....

I am open for suggestions, speculation, wild and crazy ideas, anything.

KingCoyote

[Kor]

Yes, dust ruffle being askew is better phrase to what I was meant and that picture with a bed in is the one. Could it be from something else, like vacuuming caused it, children played hide and seek, something was under bed and removed by someone, or an intruder hiding underneath when Ramseys arrived home? But the problem is, if it was an intruder, would there be any evidences underneath that would proof it? Then it came to coinciding of foreign rope being on bed.

I want to be clear about this one; you are saying the “guest room” is JAR’s bedroom where that "foreign" rope was found in? So, not one of Ramseys, housekeeper, or anybody came forward giving some explanations to why the "foreign" rope was on JAR’s bed and dust ruffle being skewed? Did the killer attempted to find something constructive as tools to use on JB, but found cords or nylons instead and preferred to use them, then where that rope came from and why was it on JAR’s bed? Were the cords or nylons, the ones used on JB, already placed in basement before, including the paint tray and brushes? Would it make sense if that "foreign" rope to be also placed in the basement then? I am curious to see if that "foreign" rope was a part the crime as if the killer had plans or ideas about it. A piece from a brown sack, which contained that rope, was found in JB’s room is new to me. How can that rope being “foreign” when there are some photos showing that rope with JB being in them? It certainly does add some puzzling thoughts to this case, and thank you for the responses and the links.

[KingCoyote]

Kor:

I remember reading all of the posts about the rope in the pictures and the rope in the sack. I think a lot of posters on other forums came to the conlusion that those were two different ropes: the one in the sack was nylon in nature and the one in the pictures was stiffer and maybe made from hemp/straw (?) type material. I wish I had as many links as some of our other posters do. Sorry

KC

[watson]

This coil of rope shown in the crime scene photographs has always been IMO an untidy element that doesn't really fit in the case. It was in the then currently unused bedroom next to JBR's, that the Ramsey's at the time of the crime probably were using as a 'guest' bedroom. The room had been JAR's room but he was away living at college much of the time in 1996 (as I understand it), so at the time of the crime it was a currently unused or 'guest' bedroom.
Was the rope from JAR when he occupied the room? Possibly. Was he ever asked to ID it? I've never heard of it. The Ramsey's said 'maybe' it had been his. Was it under the bed in the room and someone during the hasty search for JBR pulled it out onto the floor, and left the bed dust rufle disturbed? Possible.
The thing is, that the rope and bag (if there was one) don't seem to have been used in the crime....JBR was not tied up with it, nothing else in the room (except bed dust ruffle) was out of place, no window in the room was open, nor would it make sense to climb on the rope into or out of the room, the rope was found very far from the murder scene in the basement, it would not be necessary for either kidnapping or murder.
My hunch is the rope in the room next to JBR is coincidental and not related to the crime, possibly pulled from under the bed where JAR left it years before by a searcher that morning, and forgotten. It's just a hunch, but everything at the scene doesn't 'have' to be related to the crime.