Deepak Kalpoe/Skeeter's recording

[Luke Davis]

Was the recording changed to change the meaning?

[Narcissist15]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

Was the recording changed to change the meaning?

Have to say I love this new polling system that allows you to see the nicks associated with the votes.

I believe the tape was "marked" for the parts they wanted played prior to commerical breaks and during the show. So, I voted "Yes, for time constraints".

I do not blieve the tape was altered in any way to change the meaning of what DK said.

IMO

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Narcissist15

Have to say I love this new polling system that allows you to see the nicks associated with the votes.

I doubt this is a very good question for a poll but I did want to try out everything with this new format. The viewing of the voters is optional but I wanted to try it.

[Narcissist15]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I doubt this is a very good question for a poll but I did want to try out everything with this new format. The viewing of the voters is optional but I wanted to try it.

Well I, for one, like that option

[Xainia]

Originally Posted by Narcissist15

Well I, for one, like that option

I do as well. It goes someway to stopping folks getting their friends to vote to bump up their view.
It can also aid in stopping folks with more then one nic from swaying a poll in their favour.

I like that.

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

I doubt this is a very good question for a poll but I did want to try out everything with this new format. The viewing of the voters is optional but I wanted to try it.

Luke .... I'm feeling a little silly now .... but how does one "view the voters"??

ETA .... By the way .... I don't have any doubt the tape was altered to reflect an admission rather than a denial.

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Luke .... I'm feeling a little silly now .... but how does one "view the voters"??

ETA .... By the way .... I don't have any doubt the tape was altered to reflect an admission rather than a denial.

Click on the number of vote. Took me awhile to figure it out also, fairmaiden.

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

Click on the number of vote. Took me awhile to figure it out also, fairmaiden.

Ahhhhhhhhhh .... thank you, Luke ....

[Watership Down]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Ahhhhhhhhhh .... thank you, Luke ....

I wasn't surprised with any of the results.


I chose 3 changed the meaning of Deepak's words.

[Gramp]

If the tape hadn't been altered , wouldn't they have turned it over to ALE so that at least Deepak was brought back for questioning, instead of playing it on television?

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Gramp

If the tape hadn't been altered , wouldn't they have turned it over to ALE so that at least Deepak was brought back for questioning, instead of playing it on television?

Well, of course they would have, Gramp. It would have been something they would have done immediately.

JMO

[Gramp]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Well, of course they would have, Gramp. It would have been something they would have done immediately.

JMO

I'm one of the few who believe Natalee ran off, and is probably still alive.

Try to believe for a minute she is alive. Can you imagine what must go through her mind every time Beth pulls a stunt like this?

[Gramp]

Originally Posted by Merrick

I'm one of the fence sitters in this case and it's getting real uncomfortable riding the rail, IMO. I just can't get my head around the notion that other than what was left in Natalee's hotel room and a few pictures, there is no physical evidence that she was on that island. What about finger prints from the casino, the Kalpoe vehicle, discarded cups from C&C, anything? That makes me think that maybe she did leave and had planned to leave all along. From JVDS's "if I met her now I'd hate her" interview, I don't think he helped her leave. I wonder if ALE or FBI confiscated her home computer and tracked what sites she may have visited in the weeks prior to her trip.

JMHO.

ETA - I think Natalee would not be too surprised by Beth's actions. After all, she knows her own mother. IMO.

We really don't know what ALE might have discovered. There have been very few official announcements from them, or the prosecutor.

People can say whatever they like about Dompig, but everything he's had to say, he offered as a personal opinion on second rate talk shows.

To a great extent I base my belief that Natalee ran off on the lack of evidence of any kind. It's much easier to cover your tracks if you do so as you go along, following a plan, than it is on the spur of the moment.

Beth said she gave Natalee's computer to the FBI. As far as I know that statement was the only thing I heard about the computer.

It's a lot easier than many think to remove information from a computer permanently. There are a few easy to use free software programs that do it efficiently and quickly.

I think if Natalee had done any research or made any plans on line she would have been bright enough to know how to clean her hard drive, or she would have used a computer other than her personal computer at home.

[cassidy]

Originally Posted by Gramp

We really don't know what ALE might have discovered. There have been very few official announcements from them, or the prosecutor.

People can say whatever they like about Dompig, but everything he's had to say, he offered as a personal opinion on second rate talk shows.

To a great extent I base my belief that Natalee ran off on the lack of evidence of any kind. It's much easier to cover your tracks if you do so as you go along, following a plan, than it is on the spur of the moment.

Beth said she gave Natalee's computer to the FBI. As far as I know that statement was the only thing I heard about the computer.

It's a lot easier than many think to remove information from a computer permanently. There are a few easy to use free software programs that do it efficiently and quickly.

I think if Natalee had done any research or made any plans on line she would have been bright enough to know how to clean her hard drive, or she would have used a computer other than her personal computer at home.

The only other statement that I recall about Natalee's computer was when Mr Twitty stated that the FBI had destroyed Natalee's hard drive while searching it and that the Twitty's were going to have to buy Natalee a replacement. ( I don't have a link, perhaps someone else recalls this as well)
#1. The FBI have never acknowledged or denied this claim.
#2 The FBI has some of the world's best computer techies in the world. It's had to imagine that they totally destroyed a hard drive looking for evidence?

[Chocoholic]

Originally Posted by Gramp

<snip>
It's a lot easier than many think to remove information from a computer permanently. There are a few easy to use free software programs that do it efficiently and quickly.

I think if Natalee had done any research or made any plans on line she would have been bright enough to know how to clean her hard drive, or she would have used a computer other than her personal computer at home.

I agree with you that I believe that Nat ran off.

However, working in the industry I know that it's very easy to retrieve data from a hard drive and only complete physical distruction will ensure that data cannot be retrieved, and that is after several low-level formattings.

There are approximately 15 major steps, the last one is to take the HDD apart, remove the platters and recycle (melt) them.

[Chocoholic]

Originally Posted by cassidy

The only other statement that I recall about Natalee's computer was when Mr Twitty stated that the FBI had destroyed Natalee's hard drive while searching it and that the Twitty's were going to have to buy Natalee a replacement. ( I don't have a link, perhaps someone else recalls this as well)
#1. The FBI have never acknowledged or denied this claim.
#2 The FBI has some of the world's best computer techies in the world. It's had to imagine that they totally destroyed a hard drive looking for evidence?

Not unless the FBI is involved in the same coverup as Nat's parents. It is physically almost impossible to destroy the data on the HDD if it hasn't been completely dismantled and the platters are either broken into pieces or melted.

[Gramp]

Originally Posted by Chocoholic

Not unless the FBI is involved in the same coverup as Nat's parents. It is physically almost impossible to destroy the data on the HDD if it hasn't been completely dismantled and the platters are either broken into pieces or melted.

Unless you format a hard drive, regardless what you do to "delete" data, nothing is actually removed from the hard drive.

When the "delete" function of Windows is used, all that happens is the area that contains the data to be deleted is made available for Windows to reuse. When these areas are reused, the new data is written over the "deleted" data.

Programs the "wash" the hard drive, or "shred" files, or "permanently delete" files simply overwrite the data several times.

The NSA and DOD believe if data is overwritten seven times nothing can be retrieved from those areas of the hard drive.

There are several software programs that sell for $30.00 to $50.00, and at least one free one that will overwrite data seven times.

[court~critic1®]

Did the good doc and bht think that once this tape was aired for the public that it could in any way be used to prosecute???? I feel that bht is lacking in the brains depatment, but surely not that much. moo

By the way, thanks gramp for explaining how to view the votes. Interesting.

Have a safe New Year!!

[Gramp]

Originally Posted by court~critic1®

Did the good doc and bht think that once this tape was aired for the public that it could in any way be used to prosecute???? I feel that bht is lacking in the brains depatment, but surely not that much. moo

By the way, thanks gramp for explaining how to view the votes. Interesting.

Have a safe New Year!!

I'm sure they realized if they tried to palm it off as evidence and gave it to ALE they might be open to criminal charges.

For Dr.Phil, it meant ratings, for Beth, cash in the love bowls.

[Chocoholic]

Originally Posted by Gramp

Unless you format a hard drive, regardless what you do to "delete" data, nothing is actually removed from the hard drive.

When the "delete" function of Windows is used, all that happens is the area that contains the data to be deleted is made available for Windows to reuse. When these areas are reused, the new data is written over the "deleted" data.

Programs the "wash" the hard drive, or "shred" files, or "permanently delete" files simply overwrite the data several times.

The NSA and DOD believe if data is overwritten seven times nothing can be retrieved from those areas of the hard drive.

There are several software programs that sell for $30.00 to $50.00, and at least one free one that will overwrite data seven times.

Further explanation in a PM to you.

[Heli]

Skeeters covertly videotaped Deepak in July according to Julia Renfro, certainly some weeks prior to all three suspects being released from custody.

If Deepak had in fact told of all three having had sex with Natalee and that was memorialized on videotape, I'd like those who feel the contents of the tape are pristine and not manipulated to explain why this "evidence" was not immediately shared with ALE with a view to extending the suspects' detention and enhancing the possibilities of bringing charges??

Common sense and ethics would demand that what Phil and Beth describe as a confession by Deepak not be held as bait to get the Aruban Prosecutor or other Aruban LE to appear on Phil's show. What would be Beth's motive to hold a genuine confession for upwards of 6 to 8 weeks so it could be the bombshell dropped on american crap tv for ratings?? Blech, this one stinks to high heaven IMO.

[court~critic1®]

Originally Posted by Gramp

I'm sure they realized if they tried to palm it off as evidence and gave it to ALE they might be open to criminal charges.

For Dr.Phil, it meant ratings, for Beth, cash in the love bowls.

So very true, but, didn't bht tout it as breaking new evidence on all the tabloid shows??? Also phil touted it in a teaser to get you to watch his show that day, in the same vane?? moo

safe one!

[Luke Davis]

Originally Posted by Merrick

IIRC, Skeeters "secret" tape was made in the mid-August timeframe. What I wonder is why he didn't have an independent witness stashed somewhere in hearing distance to back him up. IMO, if the true intention of this tape was to get evidence of a crime, why didn't this super duper former LE have a witness? Why all the sneakiness? I can't imagine any reputable LE using anything from that tape as evidence, even the ALE. JMHO.

IIRC Jamie Skeeters had an assistant. I don't know how he could get an independant witness to attend a covert interview. As I remember ALE was looking for Skeeters because he did not have a work permit.

[Heli]

Originally Posted by Merrick

IIRC, Skeeters "secret" tape was made in the mid-August timeframe. What I wonder is why he didn't have an independent witness stashed somewhere in hearing distance to back him up. IMO, if the true intention of this tape was to get evidence of a crime, why didn't this super duper former LE have a witness? Why all the sneakiness? I can't imagine any reputable LE using anything from that tape as evidence, even the ALE. JMHO.

Skeeters boasts of being a 38 year veteran of LE and at the time of the Deepak videotape, he was the President of the California Polygraphers Association.

To claim that he had authorization from Deepak for the videotape flies in the face of the ridiculous quality of the tape as well as the decidedly covert nature of the placement of the camera and microphone. Since when does a professional begin this type of interview without stating on the record the date, time place and persons present, not to mention focusing the camera on a frontal view of the interviewee so that audio can be matched up to facial and lip movement?

Obviously, nobody thought it was important to get a release from Deepak to air his voice and image on american television either. I guess someone thought this poor dumb surinamese boy just wouldn't have a clue and they could simply run roughshod all over his rights with complete impunity.

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Heli

Skeeters covertly videotaped Deepak in July according to Julia Renfro, certainly some weeks prior to all three suspects being released from custody.

If Deepak had in fact told of all three having had sex with Natalee and that was memorialized on videotape, I'd like those who feel the contents of the tape are pristine and not manipulated to explain why this "evidence" was not immediately shared with ALE with a view to extending the suspects' detention and enhancing the possibilities of bringing charges??

Common sense and ethics would demand that what Phil and Beth describe as a confession by Deepak not be held as bait to get the Aruban Prosecutor or other Aruban LE to appear on Phil's show. What would be Beth's motive to hold a genuine confession for upwards of 6 to 8 weeks so it could be the bombshell dropped on american crap tv for ratings?? Blech, this one stinks to high heaven IMO.

Heli .... Your third paragraph says it all .... "COMMON SENSE" ....

JMO

[fairmaiden]

Originally Posted by Heli

Skeeters boasts of being a 38 year veteran of LE and at the time of the Deepak videotape, he was the President of the California Polygraphers Association.

To claim that he had authorization from Deepak for the videotape flies in the face of the ridiculous quality of the tape as well as the decidedly covert nature of the placement of the camera and microphone. Since when does a professional begin this type of interview without stating on the record the date, time place and persons present, not to mention focusing the camera on a frontal view of the interviewee so that audio can be matched up to facial and lip movement?

Obviously, nobody thought it was important to get a release from Deepak to air his voice and image on american television either. I guess someone thought this poor dumb surinamese boy just wouldn't have a clue and they could simply run roughshod all over his rights with complete impunity.

Oh, what a great point you made in your last paragraph, Heli. I've seen Deepak described as a "loser" .... "inarticulate" .... "dumb", and I believe this is EXACTLY what they thought, and exactly what they did.
JMO

[Heli]

Originally Posted by fairmaiden

Oh, what a great point you made in your last paragraph, Heli. I've seen Deepak described as a "loser" .... "inarticulate" .... "dumb", and I believe this is EXACTLY what they thought, and exactly what they did.
JMO

Whoever laughs last, laughs loudest; stay tuned I'd say.

[Heli]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

IIRC Jamie Skeeters had an assistant. I don't know how he could get an independant witness to attend a covert interview. As I remember ALE was looking for Skeeters because he did not have a work permit.

Former FBI agent, Harold Copus was in Aruba with Skeeters. Recall the interview they conducted with Deepak's mother, where they placed their camera behind her, showing only the back of her head?

But Skeeters claims it was not covert; Skeeters claims Deepak was aware that he was being videotaped. Yeah, right. It's my recollection that this interview took place quite late at night ... midnight or after so Copus was probably sleeping or at Hooter's with Tim Miller

[dinojen]

Originally Posted by Narcissist15

Have to say I love this new polling system that allows you to see the nicks associated with the votes.

Could of told you who was where without even looking...lol.. and I was pretty right on the $$$$$$

[terrysdoor]

I think this tape is the BIGGEST fiasco so far.I think it is awful Beth got caught up in so many people that probably harmed her help in gettind answers. No wonder ALE stopped talking to her.Never know what would be on tv next. IMO

[StarShine]

Originally Posted by Luke Davis

Was the recording changed to change the meaning?

Most definitely!!

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