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11-19-2006, 01:16 PM
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CBS: 48 Hours 11/25 10PM EST
Thanks MsOtis for the headsup.
I just set my recorder to tape the program at 10PM EST 11/25.
The summary view said "A decade later John Ramsey discusses newfound evidence"
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11-19-2006, 02:35 PM
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Re: CBS: 48 Hours 11/25 10PM EST
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Originally posted by Athena
Thanks MsOtis for the headsup.
I just set my recorder to tape the program at 10PM EST 11/25.
The summary view said "A decade later John Ramsey discusses newfound evidence"
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Thanks, Athena. I wasn't sure whether to make a thread or a post and decided too late that a thread was better. The directions for my VCR are too small for me to read, so I will put a note on the fridge using my new magnet from Petmeds. 
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11-19-2006, 03:24 PM
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THANKS GUYS!
Thanks for the heads up guys! I cannot wait to find out what this new evidence consists of! Should be very interesting....
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11-19-2006, 08:40 PM
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Re: THANKS GUYS!
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Thanks for the heads up guys! I cannot wait to find out what this new evidence consists of! Should be very interesting....
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Got my recorder set. I hope and pray that something new is brought to light and they finally have something they can go after the beast that killed this little girl.
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11-19-2006, 11:58 PM
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Re: Re: THANKS GUYS!
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Originally posted by Zoey
Got my recorder set. I hope and pray that something new is brought to light and they finally have something they can go after the beast that killed this little girl.
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Especially since it took 10 years to find it. When the house and murderscene has been empty for all those years. It better blow our socks off!!
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11-20-2006, 02:48 AM
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Re: CBS: 48 Hours 11/25 10PM EST
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Originally posted by Athena
Thanks MsOtis for the headsup.
I just set my recorder to tape the program at 10PM EST 11/25.
The summary view said "A decade later John Ramsey discusses newfound evidence"
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Athena!
I tried responding twice to your query at Webbsleuths today, but the post got deleted twice. Jameson apparently isn't enthusiastic about links to my wiki on her site. FWIW, the information about panty size is here:
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/The%20Body#Clothing
The wiki also includes a section on forthcoming books/media that may be of interest to your readers:
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Sou...gBooksandMedia
Best wishes,
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11-20-2006, 08:47 AM
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Re: Re: CBS: 48 Hours 11/25 10PM EST
Thanks Miss Marple. I do see it in the affidavit. I did notice a comment by Jameson re: your site and the public forum closed down shortly thereafter. LOL
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11-20-2006, 09:48 AM
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On the ad for the show a man (I don't know who he is) says that JMK hasn't been completely eliminated yet. I don't know if he means that in an official sense or if he was referring to his own investigation. It was just a quick clip with no context.
Miss Marple, are the you the Miss Marple, who was on the Robert Blake board in 2003?
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11-20-2006, 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by MissOtisRegrets
On the ad for the show a man (I don't know who he is) says that JMK hasn't been completely eliminated yet. I don't know if he means that in an official sense or if he was referring to his own investigation. It was just a quick clip with no context.
Miss Marple, are the you the Miss Marple, who was on the Robert Blake board in 2003?
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Unless its the bluff of the century Colorado has zero interest in JMK.
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11-20-2006, 02:24 PM
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Unless its the bluff of the century Colorado has zero interest in JMK.
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I realize JMK was cleared but I completed reading that affidavit that Miss Marple gave us a link to and I have to say it sounds like the hypothetical book OJ is writing on how he would have killed Nicole.
It was posted before but I never finished reading it because he seemed just a kook.
I can actually visualize the murder reading that affidavit. It certainly is freaky with all of the details. JMO
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11-20-2006, 02:48 PM
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Re: Re: Re: THANKS GUYS!
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Especially since it took 10 years to find it. When the house and murderscene has been empty for all those years. It better blow our socks off!!
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What do you mean been empty for all those years? It has been bought and sold three different times. It has only sat empty the last time since 2004.
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11-20-2006, 04:36 PM
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This will take you to a page with a video clip of John Mark Karr on Weekend Update on SNL.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/videos/
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11-20-2006, 05:55 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: THANKS GUYS!
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What do you mean been empty for all those years? It has been bought and sold three different times. It has only sat empty the last time since 2004.
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Bought and sold yes.......It has been empty. It is bought and sold more I'd say house with history.
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11-21-2006, 08:06 AM
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John Ramsey on 48 hours
I will certainly have my eyes glued on 48 hours this saturday night. I just hope this new evidence is something big.
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11-21-2006, 08:29 AM
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This is hysterical. Thanks for the laugh.
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11-21-2006, 09:54 AM
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This was hilarious! Thanks for sharing!
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11-21-2006, 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Athena
I realize JMK was cleared but I completed reading that affidavit that Miss Marple gave us a link to and I have to say it sounds like the hypothetical book OJ is writing on how he would have killed Nicole.
It was posted before but I never finished reading it because he seemed just a kook.
I can actually visualize the murder reading that affidavit. It certainly is freaky with all of the details. JMO
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I have to agree with that. However I also know a couple internet forum posters that I have to admit raised the hair on the back of neck with theories that were so plausible and their telling of it you wondered if they were there?!? You knew better you knew they just had details down pat so to speak but still....
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11-25-2006, 10:09 AM
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REMINDER
bump - reminder!!! This is on tonight
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11-25-2006, 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by MissOtisRegrets
On the ad for the show a man (I don't know who he is) says that JMK hasn't been completely eliminated yet. I don't know if he means that in an official sense or if he was referring to his own investigation. It was just a quick clip with no context.
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Here's a link Zoey posted above (on the links thread) about JMK not being cleared.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,231921,00.html
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11-25-2006, 11:16 PM
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Did anyone watch? I didn't hear or see any new evidence. Mostly it seemed to target JMK.
If they still think he is guilty, I guess the DNA doesn't mean squat...which (to me) means that the Ramseys aren't cleared either.
What was irritating was the guy who said that because Karr mentioned another person, he thinks someone else was involved in this "conspiracy". JMK told the entire story of his involvement right down to how he killed her and never mentioned another person being there. When he made reference in his e-mails about another person, I believe he was talking about himself - JMK - since he referered to himself as Daxis in the e-mails. Just another part of his mental disorder.
The people on the show were clearly Pro-Ramsey (Smit, Tracey, Trip DeMuth) and I was really hoping to hear of new evidence but alas, not to be.
I was irritated to hear JR mention evidence against Karr was lost..because the computer evidence that was lost had nothing to do with JonBenet and had nothing to do with him being released in effect to her murder.
Also, I feel I missed a lot since the narrator (Erin Moriarty?) kept getting cut off the entire show.
I guess one good thing is that JMK is going to be watched. One thing everyone can agree on is that he is one creepy guy and should be locked away somewhere.
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11-25-2006, 11:20 PM
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I was irritated to hear JR mention evidence against Karr was lost..because the computer evidence that was lost had nothing to do with JonBenet and had nothing to do with him being released in effect to her murder.
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Why does it irritate you that John Ramsey said what some of the rest of us were thinking?
I'm irritated that the evidence was lost and now little girls in the wrong place at the right time are in danger of John Mark Karr.
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11-25-2006, 11:30 PM
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11-25-2006, 11:34 PM
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Why does it irritate you that John Ramsey said what some of the rest of us were thinking?
I'm irritated that the evidence was lost and now little girls in the wrong place at the right time are in danger of John Mark Karr.
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Because he was implying that it was evidence that he (JMK) had killed JonBenet.
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11-25-2006, 11:36 PM
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Because he was implying that it was evidence that he (JMK) had killed JonBenet.
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I didn't "hear" it that way at all. I can't speak for him, but my take on it was after hearing the telephone call - especially Karr talking about the little 5 year old in Thailand - the POS needs to be put away somewhere. That's what I think and I thought that was what JR meant.
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ETA - John Ramsey was very specific that he would like to see someone arrested but he wants it to be the right person.
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11-25-2006, 11:41 PM
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Did anyone watch? I didn't hear or see any new evidence. Mostly it seemed to target JMK.
If they still think he is guilty, I guess the DNA doesn't mean squat...which (to me) means that the Ramseys aren't cleared either.
What was irritating was the guy who said that because Karr mentioned another person, he thinks someone else was involved in this "conspiracy". JMK told the entire story of his involvement right down to how he killed her and never mentioned another person being there. When he made reference in his e-mails about another person, I believe he was talking about himself - JMK - since he referered to himself as Daxis in the e-mails. Just another part of his mental disorder.
The people on the show were clearly Pro-Ramsey (Smit, Tracey, Trip DeMuth) and I was really hoping to hear of new evidence but alas, not to be.
I was irritated to hear JR mention evidence against Karr was lost..because the computer evidence that was lost had nothing to do with JonBenet and had nothing to do with him being released in effect to her murder.
Also, I feel I missed a lot since the narrator (Erin Moriarty?) kept getting cut off the entire show.
I guess one good thing is that JMK is going to be watched. One thing everyone can agree on is that he is one creepy guy and should be locked away somewhere.
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Fox news coverage just had Craig Silverman on and he told it like it is.....if there is a conspiracy of Karr with the killer of JonBenet he might as well have said its not what IDIs would think. Craig Silverman is fired up hotter than hot. He is the Former DA who along with Bill Ritter consulted on the JonBenet matter. He said that DA Lacy bought into this intruder crud and this was her gift to the Ramseys. He told it like it is. Also he has a number one rated Talk show out here and he is fired up hot. He wants an explanation to what Homeland secruity even thinks its interest could be in a Boulder murder.... He also let everyone else have it with both barrels too. Keep your eye on Craig Silverman I can see it. He is one passionate dude. He is gonna rock the house.
Did I not say things are heating up in Boulder. He said there is not one bit of evidence that John Mark Karr remains under any suspicion and its all DA Lacey not wanting the accountibility for her fiasco so as long as she can claim interest she can keep accountibility from her doorstep. Now remember together Ritter and Silverman consulted on this matter.
I did think I'd wretch when Ramsey said he felt sorry for Karr. Now if you knew some sick sucker wanted to have sex with your little girl...How sorry could you feel? NOT!!
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11-25-2006, 11:45 PM
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ROFL.........Craig Silverman is a former associate DA. Does that tell you anything? Former as is "ain't no more"........... Isnt' he a talk show host now? ROFL......
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11-25-2006, 11:50 PM
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ROFL.........Craig Silverman is a former associate DA. Does that tell you anything? Former as is "ain't no more"........... Isnt' he a talk show host now? ROFL......
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Funny...Lou Smit is a former too but you find nothing he has to say very funny.
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11-25-2006, 11:51 PM
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Funny...Lou Smit is a former too but you find nothing he has to say very funny.
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Lou Smit has solved over 200 murder cases and was hired to investigate this case.
Silverman - he's on radio now, I believe.
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11-25-2006, 11:54 PM
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ROFL.........Craig Silverman is a former associate DA. Does that tell you anything? Former as is "ain't no more"........... Isnt' he a talk show host now? ROFL......
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With the number one rated talk show out here !!! Yes he and could it be Governor Elect Ritter who together consulted on the JonBenet murder. He is fired up hot hot hot. And one of the fox news people intruduced him as the one in the know on the Ramsey murder investigation. You go ahead and get yourself a good laugh in right now. Ye who laughs last.....yup the winds o change be blowin out here.... Craig named the names and told it pretty much right on target right on national tv fox news not 20 minutes ago.... I hope the transcript of that news that aired right after the 48 hour showing goes up on this really soon. He even said it like it was about DA Lacey. Said Karr was nothing more than Lacy's gift to Ramsey.
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11-25-2006, 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by Coloradokares
Fox news coverage just had Craig Silverman on and he told it like it is.....if there is a conspiracy of Karr with the killer of JonBenet he might as well have said its not what IDIs would think. Craig Silverman is fired up hotter than hot. He is the Former DA who along with Bill Ritter consulted on the JonBenet matter. He said that DA Lacy bought into this intruder crud and this was her gift to the Ramseys. He told it like it is. Also he has a number one rated Talk show out here and he is fired up hot. He wants an explanation to what Homeland secruity even thinks its interest could be in a Boulder murder.... He also let everyone else have it with both barrels too. Keep your eye on Craig Silverman I can see it. He is one passionate dude. He is gonna rock the house.
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Sounds like he's trying to get ratings to me. JMO
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11-26-2006, 04:08 AM
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With the number one rated talk show out here !!! Yes he and could it be Governor Elect Ritter who together consulted on the JonBenet murder. He is fired up hot hot hot. And one of the fox news people intruduced him as the one in the know on the Ramsey murder investigation. You go ahead and get yourself a good laugh in right now. Ye who laughs last.....yup the winds o change be blowin out here.... Craig named the names and told it pretty much right on target right on national tv fox news not 20 minutes ago.... I hope the transcript of that news that aired right after the 48 hour showing goes up on this really soon. He even said it like it was about DA Lacey. Said Karr was nothing more than Lacy's gift to Ramsey.
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Rush Limba has a number one rated show and he's a pill popping bag of hot wind that I'm sure a lot of people would like to elect to office. America is full of idiots.
It's the one country were you have a right to be an idiot and you can sue people because you're an idiot and because they didn't provide you, an idiot, with the proper warnings that most normal people don't need.
Doesn't mean these people who cater to idiots are worthy of respect and honor.
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11-26-2006, 08:17 AM
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Because he was implying that it was evidence that he (JMK) had killed JonBenet.
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No, he absolutely was not implying anything. Where in the world did you get that idea?
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11-26-2006, 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by Coloradokares
Fox news coverage just had Craig Silverman on and he told it like it is.....if there is a conspiracy of Karr with the killer of JonBenet he might as well have said its not what IDIs would think. Craig Silverman is fired up hotter than hot. He is the Former DA who along with Bill Ritter consulted on the JonBenet matter. He said that DA Lacy bought into this intruder crud and this was her gift to the Ramseys. He told it like it is. Also he has a number one rated Talk show out here and he is fired up hot. He wants an explanation to what Homeland secruity even thinks its interest could be in a Boulder murder.... He also let everyone else have it with both barrels too. Keep your eye on Craig Silverman I can see it. He is one passionate dude. He is gonna rock the house.
Did I not say things are heating up in Boulder. He said there is not one bit of evidence that John Mark Karr remains under any suspicion and its all DA Lacey not wanting the accountibility for her fiasco so as long as she can claim interest she can keep accountibility from her doorstep. Now remember together Ritter and Silverman consulted on this matter.
I did think I'd wretch when Ramsey said he felt sorry for Karr. Now if you knew some sick sucker wanted to have sex with your little girl...How sorry could you feel? NOT!!
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The "intruder crud" you keep mentioning is DNA on JBs body that isn't linked to the Ramseys...how can this talk show host get around that? Your post almost sounds to me like there are folks who would love to see the Ramseys convicted of a crime whether they actually committed it or not!  I noticed at the end of the show that John is pushing for legislation of all convicted felons to give dna, I just assumed they did? Let's find out who that DNA belongs to before we convict someone in this case, my best guess is it belongs to the true killer!
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11-26-2006, 09:22 AM
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I didn't "hear" it that way at all. I can't speak for him, but my take on it was after hearing the telephone call - especially Karr talking about the little 5 year old in Thailand - the POS needs to be put away somewhere. That's what I think and I thought that was what JR meant.
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That's exactly the way I understood it, too! And I have more respect for Lou Smit than any talk show host that is an ex-whatever....wonder why he's so hot hot hot as CK states, has he had his dna tested lately? jmho
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11-26-2006, 09:52 AM
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Not much new on 48 Hours, but I do now wonder if there isn’t a network of computer and telephone links that federal LE can reconstruct to nail JMK, even if his computer was “lost.”
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11-26-2006, 09:57 AM
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Lou Smit has solved over 200 murder cases and was hired to investigate this case.
Silverman - he's on radio now, I believe.
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No one in the world has EVER "solved 200 murder cases." That's an incredibly arrogant way to describe oneself. Smit may have participated in solving 200 cases, but the way he tells it, he did it all on his own, which is a ridiculous and also dishonest claim.
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11-26-2006, 09:57 AM
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The "intruder crud" you keep mentioning is DNA on JBs body that isn't linked to the Ramseys...how can this talk show host get around that? Your post almost sounds to me like there are folks who would love to see the Ramseys convicted of a crime whether they actually committed it or not! I noticed at the end of the show that John is pushing for legislation of all convicted felons to give dna, I just assumed they did? Let's find out who that DNA belongs to before we convict someone in this case, my best guess is it belongs to the true killer!
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That DNA was degraded and fragmented, and Dr Henry Lee proved that unopened unwashed underwear have DNA on them. There's no proof that the DNA came from the killer.
If the DNA came from the killer, why is that sample so degraded and fragmented while JonBenet's was fresh and complete? Hmmm, didn't see them get into THAT on this show.
And WTF was Smit talking about saying JonBenet struggled with her killer? Where is the evidence of that?
Very telling to me that the people featured on this show (lol @ Tracey being on it!!!) presented "facts" but failed to disclose how they came to those conclusions, or what other explanations could pertain.
I'd really like to see a show about JBR that isn't based on either the IDI or RDI theory, but one that just honestly presents the evidence and then discusses the possibilities of each thing.
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11-26-2006, 11:10 AM
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I'd really like to see a show about JBR that isn't based on either the IDI or RDI theory, but one that just honestly presents the evidence and then discusses the possibilities of each thing.
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Although I am an IDI, I totally agree, np. I was disappointed that the question of whether or not the DNA in JonBenet's panties had the same profile as that from under her fingernails wasn't clarified. It was implied that it was the same, but not actually stated, which made me suspect that it probably isn't.
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11-26-2006, 11:44 AM
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Because he was implying that it was evidence that he (JMK) had killed JonBenet.
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Wow TWW. I hope you taped the show or at least read the story again from the link sweet posted below. JR did not say anything about the evidence being linked to JBR.
He is upset that JMK had 5 pornographic charges against him that could not be upheld in court because of lost evidence and certainly has every right to feel that way.
Most Americans feel the same way that JR feels re: this lost evidence and what it means. Due to this lost evidence this man does not have a record for goodness sake. He cannot even be classified as a sexual offender and technically is still eligilble for a teaching job. I'm sure with a public outcry that possibly may not happen at least in the US but there is absolutely nothing that bars him from being around children.
This man believes it is OK to have sex with children -- he has no personal qualms about it at all. It is totally amazing to me that those tapes and his own words could not be held against him. JMO
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