Would it bother you........

.......to walk into a national auto repair shop and unknowingly provide your personal information and your car/house keys over to a registered sex offender? Would you send your mother, wife or daughter to a repair shop owned by a registered rapist? Would it bother you to know that this same registered rapist could be giving rides home or to work while their vehicles are repaired?

Do you think this national franchise company has a responsibility to not put you or anyone else in that position?

[gemsbmw]

Originally posted by want2retire
.......to walk into a national auto repair shop and unknowingly provide your personal information and your car/house keys over to a registered sex offender? Would you send your mother, wife or daughter to a repair shop owned by a registered rapist? Would it bother you to know that this same registered rapist could be giving rides home or to work while their vehicles are repaired?

Do you think this national franchise company has a responsibility to not put you or anyone else in that position?

First off, I NEVER give them the key with my house key on it and second, do you check for sex offenders in you area. I do about twice a month and it shows me their home and work address.

[JConnolly]

Originally posted by want2retire
.......to walk into a national auto repair shop and unknowingly provide your personal information and your car/house keys over to a registered sex offender? Would you send your mother, wife or daughter to a repair shop owned by a registered rapist? Would it bother you to know that this same registered rapist could be giving rides home or to work while their vehicles are repaired?

Do you think this national franchise company has a responsibility to not put you or anyone else in that position?

Are you retiring from a National Auto Repair Shop?

edited/deleted post. My reply was sarcastic and I thought for a second, this poster might be serious and need someone to actually answer these questions.

[gemsbmw]

Originally posted by gemsbmw



First off, I NEVER give them the key with my house key on it and second, do you check for sex offenders in you area. I do about twice a month and it shows me their home and work address.

http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov...?id=X000095098


see, I would never get a muffler from here.

Originally posted by want2retire
.......to walk into a national auto repair shop and unknowingly provide your personal information and your car/house keys over to a registered sex offender? Would you send your mother, wife or daughter to a repair shop owned by a registered rapist? Would it bother you to know that this same registered rapist could be giving rides home or to work while their vehicles are repaired?

Do you think this national franchise company has a responsibility to not put you or anyone else in that position?

No house key, nope.

Please tell us the whole story.
Hard to answer w/o more info.

Originally posted by want2retire
.......to walk into a national auto repair shop and unknowingly provide your personal information and your car/house keys over to a registered sex offender? Would you send your mother, wife or daughter to a repair shop owned by a registered rapist? Would it bother you to know that this same registered rapist could be giving rides home or to work while their vehicles are repaired?

Do you think this national franchise company has a responsibility to not put you or anyone else in that position?

I can't believe anyone in their right mind would give their house keys to a stranger...


jmo

WOW......that was fast! Yes, the situation was serious and the problem is that although he is required to register as a violent sexual offender, because the crime happened before the registration requirements went into effect, his registeration is not available on the internet. He has to register with the local law enforcement, report his work and home address, and meet with them 4 times a year. He raped a young woman in the early 90's and Tennessee's On-Line registery only goes back to 1995. He's tried to have his conviction expunged and his registration requirements removed but the courts/governor denied his request.

So the situation remains..................no one would know and this man is a professional businessman who no one would suspect if they didn't know better.

BTW..........I'm already away from this company and there are currently no other such locations in the area.

Also, having been in this business for years, I can honestly say that probably an average of only 10% of our customers didn't hand over their entire keychains when brought their cars to us..........maybe it was because we were a national chain or just my honest face ..............but it's scarey when you think about it.

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Originally posted by want2retire


no one would know and this man is a professional businessman who no one would suspect if they didn't know better.

He's not the ONLY "professional businessman" that is a sex offender.

They Are EVERYWHERE.....

[gemsbmw]

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom
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He's not the ONLY "professional businessman" that is a sex offender.

They Are EVERYWHERE.....

Dateline proves this...

[Mandysmom]

Well want it seems like the state is keeping a pretty good eye on this guy and he is complying with the requirements.

I'd not give my house keys to anybody and if he is stupid enough to try and rape one of the customers, the personal info would help with the arrest/conviction.

I guess I'd rather he be working and trying to stay out of trouble than to be hanging out somewhere looking for victims.

Granted, he can get victims this way, but he'd be awful dumb to do so.

There are sex offenders everywhere, those we know about and those we don't. You just have to protect yourself as best you can.

Originally posted by want2retire
WOW......that was fast! Yes, the situation was serious and the problem is that although he is required to register as a violent sexual offender, because the crime happened before the registration requirements went into effect, his registeration is not available on the internet. He has to register with the local law enforcement, report his work and home address, and meet with them 4 times a year. He raped a young woman in the early 90's and Tennessee's On-Line registery only goes back to 1995. He's tried to have his conviction expunged and his registration requirements removed but the courts/governor denied his request.

So the situation remains..................no one would know and this man is a professional businessman who no one would suspect if they didn't know better.

BTW..........I'm already away from this company and there are currently no other such locations in the area.

Also, having been in this business for years, I can honestly say that probably an average of only 10% of our customers didn't hand over their entire keychains when brought their cars to us..........maybe it was because we were a national chain or just my honest face ..............but it's scarey when you think about it.

If he has to register every year, why wouldn't he be online?
Where in TN? Used to live there, wonder if I ever gave him MY keys...

.......to walk into a national auto repair shop and unknowingly provide your personal information and your car/house keys over to a registered sex offender? Would you send your mother, wife or daughter to a repair shop owned by a registered rapist? Would it bother you to know that this same registered rapist could be giving rides home or to work while their vehicles are repaired?

Do you think this national franchise company has a responsibility to not put you or anyone else in that position?

Originally posted by want2retire
WOW......that was fast! Yes, the situation was serious and the problem is that although he is required to register as a violent sexual offender, because the crime happened before the registration requirements went into effect, his registeration is not available on the internet. He has to register with the local law enforcement, report his work and home address, and meet with them 4 times a year. He raped a young woman in the early 90's and Tennessee's On-Line registery only goes back to 1995. He's tried to have his conviction expunged and his registration requirements removed but the courts/governor denied his request.

So the situation remains..................no one would know and this man is a professional businessman who no one would suspect if they didn't know better.

BTW..........I'm already away from this company and there are currently no other such locations in the area.

Also, having been in this business for years, I can honestly say that probably an average of only 10% of our customers didn't hand over their entire keychains when brought their cars to us..........maybe it was because we were a national chain or just my honest face ..............but it's scarey when you think about it.

90% gave up their house keys?.... That is astounding!!

I hope you refused their house keys and gave them back with a quick explanation as to why it isn't a good idea to give them to a stranger... It's for your protection, also...

jmo

[gemsbmw]

I would like to know how long you worked there and why so upset now? Did you get fired?

Originally posted by abby15




If he has to register every year, why wouldn't he be online?
Where in TN? Used to live there, wonder if I ever gave him MY keys...

Because the registry requirements dictate that only crimes committed after 1995 'qualify' for the PUBLIC registry. So even the private registry sites won't have him on it..............and given that loophole can you imagine how many others we don't know about?

It's ironic that because we have the registry requirements, suddenly the public feels 'safer' and although some information is better than none, we can't forget about the large percentage of those that have fallen between the cracks of the requirements.

East TN

Originally posted by Not Telling


90% gave up their house keys?.... That is astounding!!

I hope you refused their house keys and gave them back with a quick explanation as to why it isn't a good idea to give them to a stranger... It's for your protection, also...

jmo

Until I read this thread I never considered that my house key, my mother's house key and my friend's house key is on my chain, and I do give it over every time... learned something

Originally posted by abby15




If he has to register every year, why wouldn't he be online?
Where in TN? Used to live there, wonder if I ever gave him MY keys...

If you're leaving your car at the repair shop....don't you still need your house keys to get in when you get home?

[sundaygirl]

Hello,
Very interesting question, hypothetical i hope?
Well in the uk which is where i am from, the only people who have to register with law emforcment are child molesters, I dont think adult rapists have to register, but i am unsure.
The only jobs that criminals have to say if they have a criminal record is when they want to work with children or the police .

In a perfect world it would be nice if we could ensure that the people we come into contact with are safe. But people have a right to privacy and the ability to live normal lives. although many sex offenders continue to commit crimes who is to say that a few stop and stay stopped.

For us all to have that kind of personal information on everyone would be an infringment on human rights .

but personally i think we do have the right to know. but its not going to happen.

but i agree with you.

sunday

Originally posted by want2retire


Because the registry requirements dictate that only crimes committed after 1995 'qualify' for the PUBLIC registry. So even the private registry sites won't have him on it..............and given that loophole can you imagine how many others we don't know about?

It's ironic that because we have the registry requirements, suddenly the public feels 'safer' and although some information is better than none, we can't forget about the large percentage of those that have fallen between the cracks of the requirements.

East TN

ITA w/your frustration.

I personally would just warn my friends/family of this guy's situation.

Was it Knoxville by any chance?

[Mandysmom]

Originally posted by gibbrishclown


Until I read this thread I never considered that my house key, my mother's house key and my friend's house key is on my chain, and I do give it over every time... learned something

Don't ever do that.

Take the ignition key off and hand it to them.

Originally posted by Not Telling



If you're leaving your car at the repair shop....don't you still need your house keys to get in when you get home?

Many times I would hang out, have lunch, or shop in the area.
Depends on what was being done.

Originally posted by gemsbmw
I would like to know how long you worked there and why so upset now? Did you get fired?

I didn't work there; he tried to buy our location and when that fell through he purchased a new franchise and it was only then that we discovered not only his criminal record but also that the company knew about it all along. The courts issued a TRO to keep him from opening his new location and then he came back and offered to buy our shop again.............by then we knew of his record and flat out refused. We were threatened by another franchise owner if word got out about what the corp had done because it would cause damage to the other franchise owners. But we don't believe this nut represents the vast majority of franchise owners who work hard and are just as disgusted by the lack of corporate ethics and integrity as we are.

I ALWAYS just take the car key off the ring at an auto shop of any type. Why give them all your keys?

Originally posted by abby15


ITA w/your frustration.

I personally would just warn my friends/family of this guy's situation.

Was it Knoxville by any chance?

No, the couple that own that one has been at it for years and years and are hard working, good people. It was to be built in Jefferson Count, the very same county where they recently caught the guy that raped and killed the Clemson, SC student. That arrest brought this issue to the forefront but it's so ironic that even if someone went looking for this guys record, it would be hard to find. And then, let the rumor mill start and the hard working franchise owners in the surrounding area would come under suspicion of being the 'one'.

For this and other reasons, we parted ways with this franchise and although we still own and operate our business, we will NOT be affiliated with this unethical company.

At this point, we have stopped him from opening but it's been a battle.

Originally posted by want2retire


No, the couple that own that one has been at it for years and years and are hard working, good people. It was to be built in Jefferson Count, the very same county where they recently caught the guy that raped and killed the Clemson, SC student. That arrest brought this issue to the forefront but it's so ironic that even if someone went looking for this guys record, it would be hard to find. And then, let the rumor mill start and the hard working franchise owners in the surrounding area would come under suspicion of being the 'one'.

For this and other reasons, we parted ways with this franchise and although we still own and operate our business, we will NOT be affiliated with this unethical company.

At this point, we have stopped him from opening but it's been a battle.

I applaud your efforts, good job.

I also envy you. You live in one of the most beautiful places ever!

Originally posted by abby15


I applaud your efforts, good job.

I also envy you. You live in one of the most beautiful places ever!

Thanks and we DO LOVE this area. Between the mountains, lakes & the great weather, we are indeed fortunate.

Originally posted by Mandysmom
Well want it seems like the state is keeping a pretty good eye on this guy and he is complying with the requirements.

I'd not give my house keys to anybody and if he is stupid enough to try and rape one of the customers, the personal info would help with the arrest/conviction.

I guess I'd rather he be working and trying to stay out of trouble than to be hanging out somewhere looking for victims.

Granted, he can get victims this way, but he'd be awful dumb to do so.

There are sex offenders everywhere, those we know about and those we don't. You just have to protect yourself as best you can.

ITA. It is the "Unregistered" ones that I worry about more. I think those that are registered and following the terms of their parole and reporting in are less of a risk.

JMHO

Lost

So it seems from the previous posts here that very few believe that someone serving out their jail time earns them a chance to go straight and try to lead a law abiding life?

The whole point of punishment is that by serving it, they get a chance to redeem themselves, to redirect their lives and make a go of going straight.

Serial sexual offenders clearly need to be followed and kept away from the vunerable sections of our society, but one-time offenders who have finished their sentence should be given the chance to re-enter society and live a life that enables them to support themselves and at least have some measure of independance.

If we hound them out of every job they get, we end up paying for their care and giving them more time and reason to see society as their enemy.

Originally posted by Col.Smudge
So it seems from the previous posts here that very few believe that someone serving out their jail time earns them a chance to go straight and try to lead a law abiding life?

The whole point of punishment is that by serving it, they get a chance to redeem themselves, to redirect their lives and make a go of going straight.

Serial sexual offenders clearly need to be followed and kept away from the vunerable sections of our society, but one-time offenders who have finished their sentence should be given the chance to re-enter society and live a life that enables them to support themselves and at least have some measure of independance.

If we hound them out of every job they get, we end up paying for their care and giving them more time and reason to see society as their enemy.

I agree w/most of this.
Especially in cases such as a youthful offender (statutory rape).
That is why all states (some do) should actually post the offense, and assign a level. This way we know who is likely to reoffend.
Also there are "Romeo & Juliet" laws where the statutory offenders are clearly listed as so.

A simple question to consider would be, If I have a registered sexual offender living close to me, would I rather have them sitting at home with endless time on their hands to concentrate on their issues, or out working and having to concentrate on life?

I would think the answer is pretty straightforward. At least it is to me

Originally posted by gibbrishclown


Until I read this thread I never considered that my house key, my mother's house key and my friend's house key is on my chain, and I do give it over every time... learned something

Well...I'd say it's a good thing you read this thread, today, and hopefully the rest of the 90% out there will read it, too...

Wow! I just had no idea people give up their house keys along with their personal info. and their vehicles to strangers, so easily....

If I had known this... I wouldn't have posted "no one in their right mind would leave their keys with a stranger".... I apologize and hope I haven't offended anyone...

If I have, for me:


Here's another tip.... don't leave your garage door opener in the car when you leave it at the repair shop...

One more thing... I use a double ended keychain, both ends have rings on them for keys and it snaps together and apart in the middle... That way I can my house keys separate from my car keys...

Originally posted by Col.Smudge
So it seems from the previous posts here that very few believe that someone serving out their jail time earns them a chance to go straight and try to lead a law abiding life?

The whole point of punishment is that by serving it, they get a chance to redeem themselves, to redirect their lives and make a go of going straight.

Serial sexual offenders clearly need to be followed and kept away from the vunerable sections of our society, but one-time offenders who have finished their sentence should be given the chance to re-enter society and live a life that enables them to support themselves and at least have some measure of independance.

If we hound them out of every job they get, we end up paying for their care and giving them more time and reason to see society as their enemy.

I'm by no mans advocating some witch hunt with torches and such. However, the whole point of a registry is to provide information to people so that they can take whatever steps they feel appropriate to protect themselves and their loved ones. And to debate the need for such a registry over the civil rights of the convicted has long ended with the rapes and murders of courtless women and children as well as the supreme court upholding the laws.

What I am saying though, is when a reputable, national chain puts their mark on something or someone, they are literally vouching for their credibility. And when they do that with someone they already know has been convicted of such a violent crime as rape, they have actually created a situation whereby a potential victim would be made even less likely to question the character of this person. They can't have their cake and eat it too. You can't spend hundreds of millions of dollars towards creating the image of honesty, integrity and trustworthy and then step back and say, but we're not responsible if someone associates our "people" as someone who can be trusted and as such becomes a victim.

Originally posted by Mandysmom
Don't ever do that.

Take the ignition key off and hand it to them.

Valet parking is another time not to give all of your keys to a stranger..

Originally posted by want2retire


I'm by no mans advocating some witch hunt with torches and such. However, the whole point of a registry is to provide information to people so that they can take whatever steps they feel appropriate to protect themselves and their loved ones. And to debate the need for such a registry over the civil rights of the convicted has long ended with the rapes and murders of courtless women and children as well as the supreme court upholding the laws.

What I am saying though, is when a reputable, national chain puts their mark on something or someone, they are literally vouching for their credibility. And when they do that with someone they already know has been convicted of such a violent crime as rape, they have actually created a situation whereby a potential victim would be made even less likely to question the character of this person. They can't have their cake and eat it too. You can't spend hundreds of millions of dollars towards creating the image of honesty, integrity and trustworthy and then step back and say, but we're not responsible if someone associates our "people" as someone who can be trusted and as such becomes a victim.

Unless you have evidence this man has commited a crime whilst operating under the auspices of this company, I don't see what you have to complain of?

Any person you deal with could be a serial killer, rapist, child abuser etc... there are no guarantees with anything.
If you use the warning the sexual offender registry gives you, you should be able to deal with these people safely and with appropriate caution.

If he is working honestly, not commiting crimes and the law knows about him, hounding him any further is simply vindictive and not based on any real facts.

Originally posted by Col.Smudge


Unless you have evidence this man has commited a crime whilst operating under the auspices of this company, I don't see what you have to complain of?

Any person you deal with could be a serial killer, rapist, child abuser etc... there are no guarantees with anything.
If you use the warning the sexual offender registry gives you, you should be able to deal with these people safely and with appropriate caution.

If he is working honestly, not commiting crimes and the law knows about him, hounding him any further is simply vindictive and not based on any real facts.

I'm so glad that you first response is to provide the benefit of the doubt to this convicted rapist, rather than
1. His victim that suffered at his hands
2. Our community that has a right to protect & KNOW about his crime
3. Myself & my husband for not wanting the reputation of the business we have spent years and our entire savings building associated or confused with a man of this low character.

Also, have you not been reading? This man's crime falls through the cracks of the 'registration requirements'. The public would not have immediate access to his status as a convicted violent sex offender AND they would have even less reason to be cautious because he would be operating under the name/mark of a 30 year old national company with one of the most admired and honorable men as their spokesperson.

BTW........this man was NOT registered as required until WE found out about his conviction across state. The TBI thanked us for finding this error and he was only then contacted and forced to register. Also, this was NOT a statutory rape, or Romeo/Juliet situation. The victim was over the age of consent and the charge was never about consent...............it was RAPE, plain and simple.

[flitterfuzz]

Originally posted by Col.Smudge
So it seems from the previous posts here that very few believe that someone serving out their jail time earns them a chance to go straight and try to lead a law abiding life?

The whole point of punishment is that by serving it, they get a chance to redeem themselves, to redirect their lives and make a go of going straight.

Serial sexual offenders clearly need to be followed and kept away from the vunerable sections of our society, but one-time offenders who have finished their sentence should be given the chance to re-enter society and live a life that enables them to support themselves and at least have some measure of independance.

If we hound them out of every job they get, we end up paying for their care and giving them more time and reason to see society as their enemy.

Perhaps you would feel differently if you where a woman and knew how vulnerable we are when these animals are let loose, not to redeem themselves (who are we kidding here) but to wait for a chance to do it again. The fact that they check in or have a job does not make one iota of difference when they get the urge to attack.

Sex offenders should be kept behind bars indefinitely. IMO

Originally posted by want2retire


I'm so glad that you first response is to provide the benefit of the doubt to this convicted rapist, rather than
1. His victim that suffered at his hands
2. Our community that has a right to protect & KNOW about his crime
3. Myself & my husband for not wanting the reputation of the business we have spent years and our entire savings building associated or confused with a man of this low character.

Also, have you not been reading? This man's crime falls through the cracks of the 'registration requirements'. The public would not have immediate access to his status as a convicted violent sex offender AND they would have even less reason to be cautious because he would be operating under the name/mark of a 30 year old national company with one of the most admired and honorable men as their spokesperson.

BTW........this man was NOT registered as required until WE found out about his conviction across state. The TBI thanked us for finding this error and he was only then contacted and forced to register. Also, this was NOT a statutory rape, or Romeo/Juliet situation. The victim was over the age of consent and the charge was never about consent...............it was RAPE, plain and simple.

Let me ask again then... has he reoffended whilst working for this company. Did he serve the mandated punuishment he was given?

This isn't an issue about the victim... throwing that up is a smokescreen. Forcing this person out of a job in no way aids the victims or represents justice.

He commited a crime, he served the time, and now he has a job and is supporting himself and as far as I can tell from your posts following the rules of society.

The registration issue is between him and the legal system now, if he broke the rules they will surely punish him for it. Our legal system is thankfully pretty quick on punsihing Sexual offenders who step out of line.

BUT, if he hasn't broken any laws, they should allow him to work, pay for himself and live as normal a life as he can. His legally mandated punishment is OVER!

Originally posted by flitterfuzz




Perhaps you would feel differently if you where a woman and knew how vulnerable we are when these animals are let loose, not to redeem themselves (who are we kidding here) but to wait for a chance to do it again. The fact that they check in or have a job does not make one iota of difference when they get the urge to attack.

Sex offenders should be kept behind bars indefinitely. IMO

Let me ask you the question I posed earlier... if you had someone on the sex crimes register, living near you, would you want them skulking at home all day with nothing to do but ponder their obssessions, all while we are paying their upkeep, OR have them out working, supporting themselves and being forced to deal with real life?

You cannot make them go away, they are out there like it or not, and making them work, be visible to the law and deal with real life is infinitely preferable to having them sit at home, living on welfare and stewing on their hatreds.

And if you made every sex crime punishable by LWP the only real effect you would see would that it would make more sense for them to kill every victim, no matter how small the crime, because the punishment is the same for it. Removing the witness then becomes the sensible thing to do.

Originally posted by Col.Smudge


Let me ask again then... has he reoffended whilst working for this company. Did he serve the mandated punuishment he was given?

This isn't an issue about the victim... throwing that up is a smokescreen. Forcing this person out of a job in no way aids the victims or represents justice.

He commited a crime, he served the time, and now he has a job and is supporting himself and as far as I can tell from your posts following the rules of society.

The registration issue is between him and the legal system now, if he broke the rules they will surely punish him for it. Our legal system is thankfully pretty quick on punsihing Sexual offenders who step out of line.

BUT, if he hasn't broken any laws, they should allow him to work, pay for himself and live as normal a life as he can. His legally mandated punishment is OVER!

Thanks for the questions because that alone answered my question to you. You obviously haven't/can't read what I have already posted.

This is not about a job! It is about purchasing a franchise and opening a business. No one is denying this man a 'job' and he is not without options that would continue to provide him his already substantial income.

Now since you haven't been able to comprehend what has been plainly written here, I suppose it would be too much to ask why you haven't figured out that everything isn't as 'black and white' as you would like to believe with him living his life follow the rules of society or he wouldn't have been stopped by the COURTS with the TRO and his request for release of the registrtion requirements wouldn't have been denied. Perhaps if you weren't so quick to provide him the benefit of the doubt, while minimizing his crime and insulting those that don't, you wouldn't have backed yourself into such an indefensible position of support for this rapist.

Originally posted by Col.Smudge
So it seems from the previous posts here that very few believe that someone serving out their jail time earns them a chance to go straight and try to lead a law abiding life?

The whole point of punishment is that by serving it, they get a chance to redeem themselves, to redirect their lives and make a go of going straight.

Serial sexual offenders clearly need to be followed and kept away from the vunerable sections of our society, but one-time offenders who have finished their sentence should be given the chance to re-enter society and live a life that enables them to support themselves and at least have some measure of independance.

If we hound them out of every job they get, we end up paying for their care and giving them more time and reason to see society as their enemy.

I agree and DISAGREE!!!!!

IMO - a first time criminal convicted of a NON-violent crime who has served his time - should be allowed to have the chance to lead a law abiding and decent life. and probably, most do.

HOWEVER - anyone that is convicted of a sexual crime (rape, or sexually abusing/harming a child, etc.) deserves NO second chance!!!!!
There are zillions of statistics to prove these type of people do NOT change - they will only continue their deviant criminal activities until they end up murdering someone and are either executed or locked up for the rest of their lives.

Ask yourself, Col., if you would be willing to invite a convicted Sex Offender of little boys over to your house for dinner with your wife and small son? I'm willing to bet the answer would be a loud NO!