Evidence that Places OJ Simpson at the Crime Scene

[nettathirty]

The hearing, whose larger purpose is to determine whether there is enough of a case against Mr. Simpson to try him on murder charges, began with testimony by a clerk at a downtown Los Angeles cutlery store who said Mr. Simpson bought a 15-inch knife there on May 3. [Page A20.]

The authorities, who have not found a murder weapon, say they believe that a knife similar to the one bought by Mr. Simpson was used to kill Mrs. Simpson and a friend of hers, Ronald L. Goldman, at her town house here, about two miles from Mr. Simpson's home.

http://classes.colgate.edu/rbowman/c...h_Articles.htm[/url] [/b][/quote]

August,

You believe the knife purchased from Ross Cutler wasn't the murder weapon, but a swiss army knife with a much smaller blade was... correct?

Then can you explain why the Cops felt differently?

[martin II]

based on what these cops did at oj's house, le could come to bob's house ring the bell and call on the phone and receive no answer. they could then look at a car parked in front of the house on the street and see what they thought was a very tiny blood stain and then decide to just illegally go through the nearist window and search the house.

bob would say no harm done.

martin II

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by socaldiva
Way to go Netta. You mock me for putting this link up on another thread, yet you use it here for some of your twist & spin :lol:

Socal,

Obscure view of everyone who does not agree with your position on the Simpson case.. I was actually giving you a compliment, hint "Kudo's"..

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II
based on what these cops did at oj's house, le could come to bob's house ring the bell and call on the phone and receive no answer. they could then look at a car parked in front of the house on the street and see what they thought was a very tiny blood stain and then decide to just illegally go through the nearist window and search the house.

bob would say no harm done.

martin II

martin II, your premise is false.

The police never entered Simpson's house through a window, Simpson's daughter opened the door and let them in. The police never searched the inside of the house until they received a search warrant.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Originally posted by bobaugust



martin II, your premise is false.

The police never entered Simpson's house through a window, Simpson's daughter opened the door and let them in. The police never searched the inside of the house until they received a search warrant.

bobaugust

bob
read my post again. the referance to going in a window was only a example of what could happen at YOUR house if le suspected you of being involved in a crime and wanted to violate your rights.
martin II

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


bob
read my post again. the referance to going in a window was only a example of what could happen at YOUR house if le suspected you of being involved in a crime and wanted to violate your rights.
martin II

martin II, I'm sorry your scenario was not a direct comparison to what the police did at Rockingham. It was a different hypothetical and meaningless to any discussion about the Simpson case.

bobaugust

[limakey]

Martin,

When it comes the phone message left by Paula, do you believe that the DA's didn't know about the message from Paula? It makes no sense to me that they would check his cell phone records, any calls from his home and not know that he had an answering service.

And as you know, a lot of "tips" have been given for the money. It other words, what is the possibility that some one could have told the DA's about the message, but would not testify about it in court?

IMO, the DA's knew about his phone call and again, they knew it would help OJ more then hurt him. IMO.

[martin II]

Originally posted by limakey
Martin,

When it comes the phone message left by Paula, do you believe that the DA's didn't know about the message from Paula? It makes no sense to me that they would check his cell phone records, any calls from his home and not know that he had an answering service.

And as you know, a lot of "tips" have been given for the money. It other words, what is the possibility that some one could have told the DA's about the message, but would not testify about it in court?

IMO, the DA's knew about his phone call and again, they knew it would help OJ more then hurt him. IMO.

limakey

i think the da knew about paula. in the lapd interivew oj , there was talk about oj calling paula with plans to go to her house.

so i don't believe they did not check his cell phone and answering
service. their standing rule seems to be, if it is the truth and in anyway helps the defendant don't talk about it.imo
martin II

[weezer]

Originally posted by martin II


limakey

i think the da knew about paula. in the lapd interivew oj , there was talk about oj calling paula with plans to go to her house.

so i don't believe they did not check his cell phone and answering
service. their standing rule seems to be, if it is the truth and in anyway helps the defendant don't talk about it.imo
martin II

the more we discuss paula and her dump message, the more I become convinced that she knew she was covering up and lying for orenthal and cochran had to have known it also.

[limakey]

Martin,

I read part of that New York Times story--did anything jump out at you?

Like, Vanatter suspecting that the Simpsons, both of them could have been the victims of a stalker--how could he possibly have ruled that out at that time?

Also, never did the 4 detectives who went to Rockingham express any type of "relief" that OJ was safely in Chicago. Ron Phillilps never expressed any words to support this when he told OJ about Nicole.

Also, what Fuhrman said, "I finally found what I was looking for". Why was he looking for bloody glove behind Kato's wall? And again, at that time, did they do a search of the area, like maybe the prep had passed out do the injuries they have may have suffered in the murders?

With that statement, Fuhrman finally proves that OJ Simpson was a suspect well before the time was given by the LAPD. No one had no idea who's blood could have been on that glove.

During Lange and Vanatter's interview, they never asked him who he thought might have or could have done this? I don't remember.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by limakey

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Also, what Fuhrman said, "I finally found what I was looking for". Why was he looking for bloody glove behind Kato's wall? And again, at that time, did they do a search of the area, like maybe the prep had passed out do the injuries they have may have suffered in the murders?

It's funny how people can interpret things differently. I take, "I finally found what I was looking for" to mean that MF knew there was a Glove that was missing at Bundy and "he found it!" Where you take it to mean, "Why was he looking for bloody glove behind Kato's wall?"

With that statement, Fuhrman finally proves that OJ Simpson was a suspect well before the time was given by the LAPD. No one had no idea who's blood could have been on that glove.

Not necessarily. Get real! MF was talking about the "glove" NOT "OJ Simpson was a suspect well before the time was given by the LAPD."

We have ALL discussed this ad nauseum! When are you finally going to "get it?" How many times does it have "to be discussed" before you finally STHU or concede that the evidence as presented is correct?

JMO and MOO!!

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[martin II]

limakey

It is my opinion that when furhman realized that the victim was Niole Simpson early on at bundy and considering that he personally had prior knowledge of some reports of abuse between Nicol and OJ, He would as most le would , SUSPECT THE EX WAS INVOLVED and that he would have relayed his thoughts to the other detectives at that time.

this would account for why four detectives went to rockingham. why furhman (having been taken off the case) went also. why furhman agreed to jump the fense without a search warrant. why furhman started searching the bronco, and why he took it on himself and by himself ,to search the walkway without a search warrant or assistance from other detectives at rockingham.

after kato told them about the knocks, it seems that furhman would have asked vanhatter to come with me to investigate and see if anyone is in the walkway. but he didn't

i do believe that all four had oj as a suspect when they went to rockingham. imo
martin II

[Heyes]

Originally posted by socaldiva


You're still posting this even though you've been told a million times that Fuhrman wasn't "taken off the case". It has also been explained many,many times as to why MF scaled the fence. I guess nothing sinks in with you.

Just got here, I heard that fuhrman knew where the house was. As for the jumping of the fence..... younger, more athletic? Am I right. This is what I remember.
I must say if somebody in my family is found slaughtered and they find blood drops around my house, by all means, I want the police to enter and make sure I'm ok. Who would have a problem with this?

[Heyes]

Originally posted by socaldiva


Welcome & you remember correctly!

Thanks! I feel better now! lol

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by socaldiva

You're still posting this even though you've been told a million times that Fuhrman wasn't "taken off the case". It has also been explained many,many times as to why MF scaled the fence. I guess nothing sinks in with you.

That's right Diva because there is nothing there for the information to "sink" into! IMO!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Heyes


Just got here, I heard that fuhrman knew where the house was. As for the jumping of the fence..... younger, more athletic? Am I right. This is what I remember.
I must say if somebody in my family is found slaughtered and they find blood drops around my house, by all means, I want the police to enter and make sure I'm ok. Who would have a problem with this?

Welcome! IMO, I think we ALL know "Who would have a problem with this?" and why, don't you?

[martin II]

Originally posted by Heyes


Just got here, I heard that fuhrman knew where the house was. As for the jumping of the fence..... younger, more athletic? Am I right. This is what I remember.
I must say if somebody in my family is found slaughtered and they find blood drops around my house, by all means, I want the police to enter and make sure I'm ok. Who would have a problem with this?

le are required to secure a legal search warrant BEFORE they enter your house not AFTER. regarless of the lie they tell.
as a citizen you do have rights.imo
martin II

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


le are required to secure a legal search warrant BEFORE they enter your house not AFTER. regarless of the lie they tell.
as a citizen you do have rights.imo
martin II

martin II, the police were let into Simpson's house by Arnelle Simpson. They did obtain a search warrant before the house was searched.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Originally posted by bobaugust



martin II, the police were let into Simpson's house by Arnelle Simpson. They did obtain a search warrant before the house was searched.

bobaugust

They had no right to be on his property withour a legal search warrant. They bum rushed Arnelle at i think 6 am out of her bed.
She didn't know to demand a search warrant from these masters of trickery. imo
MARTIN ii

[martin II]

Originally posted by bobaugust



martin II, the police were let into Simpson's house by Arnelle Simpson. They did obtain a search warrant before the house was searched.

bobaugust

was arnelle a resident of oj's HOUSE or did she live in a guest house on the property? seems that the owner of the house has a give permission for le to enter without a search warrant.imo
martin II

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


They had no right to be on his property withour a legal search warrant. They bum rushed Arnelle at i think 6 am out of her bed.
She didn't know to demand a search warrant from these masters of trickery. imo
MARTIN ii

martin II, the police had probable cause to enter Simpson's estate. There was no reason for Arnelle not to let them into her father's house.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Originally posted by bobaugust



martin II, the police had probable cause to enter Simpson's estate. There was no reason for Arnelle not to let them into her father's house.

bobaugust

bob'
They had no probable cause to enter oj's property. the lie that they told about notifying him was just a lie. If they rang the bell and no one answered , they should have left unless they had already decided that he was a suspect. imo
martin II

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II


bob'
They had no probable cause to enter oj's property. the lie that they told about notifying him was just a lie. If they rang the bell and no one answered , they should have left unless they had already decided that he was a suspect. imo
martin II

martin II, there were lights in in the house. When no one answered the bell they became concerned. While waiting they saw the Westec sign outside the gate. Vannatter asked Phillips to call Westec to get Simpson's telephone number.

By coincidence a Westec car on routine patrol saw the police and stopped. The Westec patrol officer called his supervisor and then gave the police Simpson's telephone number as well as telling them as far as he knows Simpson should have been in the house as well as a live in housekeeper.

bobaugust

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by martin II

bob'
They had no probable cause to enter oj's property. the lie that they told about notifying him was just a lie. If they rang the bell and no one answered , they should have left unless they had already decided that he was a suspect. imo
martin II

Get Off of It! Just speculation on your part with nothing to back it up, as usual! Blah Blah Blah ~ Yada Yada Yada ~ Arguing Arguing Arguing! How much more bandwidth are you going to waste with this insanity?

JMO and MOO!!

[limakey]

Heyes,

IMO, the detectives had three solid reaons to justify their search, which is why I have a problem with their lies about it. Their actions did not match their testimony.

Plus, there are a few details that we don't know that is very important---that is who was listed as residents of the estate?

Using the term, "live in maid", does not mean she lived inside in the main house, only that she lived on the estate. It would be very intersting to find out who else was listed as residents of the estate.

[limakey]

Martin,

Maybe you can help me on this, did anyone ask why the Westec trust just happended to be outside the estate? It has always struck me odd that they just happend to be there---I have often edwondered was this a routine patrol--and if it wasn't then what brought them to the estate?

My first thought was that perhaps that they have received calls from their clients who expressed that something was going on and they wanted their block patrolled.

If this was not a routine patrol--then who called them and directed them to the Simpson estate?

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by limakey


Plus, there are a few details that we don't know that is very important---that is who was listed as residents of the estate?

Using the term, "live in maid", does not mean she lived inside in the main house, only that she lived on the estate. It would be very intersting to find out who else was listed as residents of the estate.

imakey, the Westec patrol officer told the detectives that as far as he knew Simpson should have been in the house as well as a live in housekeeper.

The detectives didn't know there were bungalows behind the house.

bobaugust

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by limakey
[b]Martin,

Maybe you can help me on this, did anyone ask why the Westec trust just happended to be outside the estate? It has always struck me odd that they just happend to be there---I have often edwondered was this a routine patrol--and if it wasn't then what brought them to the estate? /B]

limakey, the detectives were ringing the bell and not receiving any response. There were lights on in the house yet no one was answering. They saw a Westec sign near the gate and Vannatter asked Phillips to call Westec and get Simpson's telephone number.

While they were waiting, by coincidence a Westec car on routine patrol saw the police and stopped. The Westec
patrol officer called his supervisor and then gave the police Simpson's telephone number as well as telling them as far as he knew Simpson should have been in the house as well as a live in housekeeper.

bobaugust

[martin II]

Originally posted by limakey
Martin,

Maybe you can help me on this, did anyone ask why the Westec trust just happended to be outside the estate? It has always struck me odd that they just happend to be there---I have often edwondered was this a routine patrol--and if it wasn't then what brought them to the estate?

My first thought was that perhaps that they have received calls from their clients who expressed that something was going on and they wanted their block patrolled.

If this was not a routine patrol--then who called them and directed them to the Simpson estate?

limakey
it was reported that there was a Westec sticker on the gate or bell and that the cops called that number. their reasons could have been to see if Westec had a key to the house. the cops were acting like it would be strange for oj or anyone else NOT to be at home.

i am wondering if when they had made other notificaitons and found no response to bell ringing did they just go onto the property and enter a house without a legal search warrant
or would they note tried to make notification and no one home?
imo
martin II

[bobaugust]

Originally posted by martin II

limakey
it was reported that there was a Westec sticker on the gate or bell and that the cops called that number. their reasons could have been to see if Westec had a key to the house. the cops were acting like it would be strange for oj or anyone else NOT to be at home.

i am wondering if when they had made other notificaitons and found no response to bell ringing did they just go onto the property and enter a house without a legal search warrant
or would they note tried to make notification and no one home?
imo
martin II

martin II, you take the facts and add your own version. Funny. The reason the police called Westec was to get Simpson's telephone number, not a key to the house. If you're going to attempt to answer questions try to to get your answers correct. But maybe that's asking too much of you.

As to what the police may have done in another situation it would probably depend on the circumstances. If they had just come from the home of a double homicide of the exwife of the person they were to notify that was less than five minutes away, and there were lights on in the house yet no one was answering, they probably would have done the same thing.

bobaugust

[Heyes]

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


Welcome! IMO, I think we ALL know "Who would have a problem with this?" and why, don't you?

Well..... I can think of ONE person.

And thanks guys for the welcome.

[Heyes]

Originally posted by martin II


le are required to secure a legal search warrant BEFORE they enter your house not AFTER. regarless of the lie they tell.
as a citizen you do have rights.imo
martin II

HI Martin, nice to meet ya. I pay my police to protect my family. With that being said, if I was in the same situation as Mr. Simpson. Ex-wife found slaughtered, blood in the front of my house. I'm not answering the door. No movement in the house.
I would hope to heaven that they wouldn't just say, oh well, We don't have a search warrant let's go boys. I would be pi$$ed! Please! Please, come in my house, make sure I'm not a victim too! The suspicious circumstances just scream.. Make sure Mr. Simpson is OK! Can you imagine if they had just drove off and it turned out OJ was laying dead in his house and his daughter was being held and threatened to be killed?

[martin II]

Originally posted by Heyes


HI Martin, nice to meet ya. I pay my police to protect my family. With that being said, if I was in the same situation as Mr. Simpson. Ex-wife found slaughtered, blood in the front of my house. I'm not answering the door. No movement in the house.
I would hope to heaven that they wouldn't just say, oh well, We don't have a search warrant let's go boys. I would be pi$$ed! Please! Please, come in my house, make sure I'm not a victim too! The suspicious circumstances just scream.. Make sure Mr. Simpson is OK! Can you imagine if they had just drove off and it turned out OJ was laying dead in his house and his daughter was being held and threatened to be killed?

heyes
hi
you make some good points if all of this had happened to oj (it didn't)and if the constitution did not prohibit illegal search and seisures(sp) to keep cops from entering your property without a search warrant.

lets say your ex was murdered down the street from you, does this give cops the right to enter your property and search through your house to see who is there at the same time looking for evidence to use against you when you had nothing to do with the murders? i don't think so. imo
martin II

[limakey]

Heyes,

Believe it or not, you are making the NG's point. Had the police's actions matched their testimony, there would be no issues. I'm sorry but if you believe that there are victims inside the house, you ring the door bell, how many times, call the home how many times, then walk back to the guest houses, take time to question both the male and the female all the while you think someone might be seriously wounded on the inside?

Then when you get into the home, a huge home with at least two stories and you only look for one victim and only in her room? Is there a law that says she had to be killed or hurt in her room?

I have no problem with the true reaon they went over there, the ex is always the first suspect, when you add the fact that at least two of the detectives knew about the 1989 incident and one knew about the 1985 incident as well, because he reported to it, to say they never suspected him just doesn't make any sense.

To say they went there for the sole purpose to notify Mr. Simpson of his wife's death to spare him the agony of learning about it from the media, makes no sense----because they called him on the telephone to tell him.

To say that they were also there, that if Mr. Simpson became so upset, they would be there for him to help him get it together by reminding him that he had two minor children at the police station who needed their dad, not only being with them physically, but to be there for them emotionally does match the fact that they did not send someone from the Chicago police force to notify him--was it because that he would take the news less emotionally in Chicago?

I have no problem with them suspecting OJ Simpson right off the bat, the problem I have is that they lied about it and there has to be several reasons behind.

They had at least 3 valid reasons to go to Rockingham, they had no valid reason for choosing the weakest. Another point, its not like cops have that problem when it comes to stuff like this, they know that any judge who tosses out searches, etc., pays dearly for their actions. In other words, they had no fear of their warrant being tossed. However, I do believe Vanatter took one for the home team on this issue.

IMO.

[2L8 4A D8]

Oh man! Good Gawd! Where's Bobaugust when you need him?

[nettathirty]

Originally posted by bobaugust



The Westec patrol officer called his supervisor and then gave the police Simpson's telephone number as well as telling them as far as he knows Simpson should have been in the house as well as a live in housekeeper.

bobaugust

How would the Westec Patrol Officer have known the comings and going of OJ Simpson?

Anybody with half a brain can see these cops, did not gain access to Rockingham for OJs' safety and well being...

1. No standby request for paramedics-
2. They allowed Arnelle to enter the house first, for the possible discovery..

For those of you who continue to lie to yourselves.. Had this not been the case of OJ (black defendant), Nicole and Ron (white victims) and that majority Black Jury.. All of you would be screaming to the hills, about the obvious lies perpetrated against this defendant by LE...

But as it seems, "Race" prevails as always with some of you people! (SAD, so very disturbingly, SAD)...


IMO.. MOO.. JMHO...

[Heyes]

Originally posted by martin II


heyes
hi
you make some good points if all of this had happened to oj (it didn't)and if the constitution did not prohibit illegal search and seisures(sp) to keep cops from entering your property without a search warrant.

lets say your ex was murdered down the street from you, does this give cops the right to enter your property and search through your house to see who is there at the same time looking for evidence to use against you when you had nothing to do with the murders? i don't think so. imo
martin II

If there's blood from my car to my house, And I don't answer the phone or door then, He!! Yes!
Other than that, probably not.

[Heyes]

Originally posted by nettathirty



How would the Westec Patrol Officer have known the comings and going of OJ Simpson?

Anybody with half a brain can see these cops, did not gain access to Rockingham for OJs' safety and well being...

1. No standby request for paramedics-
2. They allowed Arnelle to enter the house first, for the possible discovery..

For those of you who continue to lie to yourselves.. Had this not been the case of OJ (black defendant), Nicole and Ron (white victims) and that majority Black Jury.. All of you would be screaming to the hills, about the obvious lies perpetrated against this defendant by LE...
n
But as it seems, "Race" prevails as always with some of you people! (SAD, so very disturbingly, SAD)...


IMO.. MOO.. JMHO...

Race? We loved OJ! Are ya kidding me? Anyone who has met him has walked away feeling good. People from all walks of life that have met him thought he was great! "We" didn't know him intimately, none of us (the general public) were close to him or nicole. He sunk his own battleship this time. I don't see anyone else to blame.

By the way this happened in L.A. On the heels of Rodney King. Now that everyone has cooled off. Oj is just laughed off as the guy who got away with murder. I have yet to talk to anyone who still says he's innocent. Minds have changed since then. Their point was made. O.J. got off on a "technicality" lol

[martin II]

Originally posted by Heyes


If there's blood from my car to my house, And I don't answer the phone or door then, He!! Yes!
Other than that, probably not.

heyes

furhman says he went to rockingham to make a notification. while waiting for someone to answer the bell he started looking for evidence all on his own. wonder why. they said oj was not a suspect at that time. furhman saw a very small 'BROWN' spot on the bronco parked on the public street and this caused him to illegally enter oj's property by jumping over the wall/fense at the gate. he had not seen any blood in the driveway before he jumped the wall because he was outside.imo


it is my opinion that all four detectives believed that oj was a suspect when they were at bundy and went to rockingham. they just told a lie on that issue imo
martin II

[martin II]

Originally posted by Heyes


Race? We loved OJ! Are ya kidding me? Anyone who has met him has walked away feeling good. People from all walks of life that have met him thought he was great! "We" didn't know him intimately, none of us (the general public) were close to him or nicole. He sunk his own battleship this time. I don't see anyone else to blame.

By the way this happened in L.A. On the heels of Rodney King. Now that everyone has cooled off. Oj is just laughed off as the guy who got away with murder. I have yet to talk to anyone who still says he's innocent. Minds have changed since then. Their point was made. O.J. got off on a "technicality" lol

heyes
what was THE "TECHNICALITY"
MARTIN ii