Serial Killers Involved?

[Athena]

This was added - IDI - Possible Serial Killer??

http://tinyurl.com/ppp9r

Bill Gary. Internet poster Dan in Detroit claims that Bill Gary is the killer, in collaboration with Fleet White. Gary's known m.o. (redressing his child victims) was seen in JBR's case. Dan in Detroit claims that because the newspaper containing John Ramsey's circled face was 14 months old, the killing was planned at least a year in advance. "Bill Gary told me that they were planning the murder the year before at Christmas but that Fleet had to do something go somewhere. Gary got the dog hair 18 months before killing." Dan in Detroit provides the following details of how the crime was committed (post #501):
"He was in the house at 8. He went directly to the cellar room. Fleet had told him where the light switch was. He looked the house over. Was planning to be in the guest room but Patsy was packing in there, so he waited downstairs in basement."
"About 11 he`d just come upstairs to 1st floor grabbed the Maglite, heard noise, hid. There came Jonbenet downstairs from 2nd to 1st floor.(She ate pineapple)"
"He grabbed her wearing brown gloves, took her down to basement, stunned her, as he fondles her she awoke and screamed, he kneed her in head, lay there waiting to see if anyone heard, when police didn`t show in time it would take(he knew time because Fleet called 911) he garotted her in boiler room."
"She had messed pants. They said Friday. That wouldn`t do, this was a Wed murder. He`s killed lots on wed-sun. 2nd kid with same name had to be killed wed- sun. He`d already killed Ramsay in MT in 1996. Things had gone well, he had time. Went to 2nd floor. Parents slept on 3rd floor. Couldn`t find underpants, searched drawers, ripped open package, took out WED, didm`t know were too big, took blanket, etc. Heard noise. Went back downstairs."
"Jonbenet partly loose, paintbrush broken. Hit her in head with flashlight. Changed underwear, not shirt, tightened garotte, stuck something in her, went and put note on steps and johns picture, returned flashlight, returned, wiped her out, wiped off crusty spot blood with finger, put her in cellar, inspected blanket, ripped fibre 4 pieces, used tweezers put piece in garotte and put piece under tape, left through window, slipped on suitcase. etc..."

Originally posted by Athena
This was added - IDI - Possible Serial Killer??

http://tinyurl.com/ppp9r

Bill Gary. Internet poster Dan in Detroit claims that Bill Gary is the killer, in collaboration with Fleet White. Gary's known m.o. (redressing his child victims) was seen in JBR's case. Dan in Detroit claims that because the newspaper containing John Ramsey's circled face was 14 months old, the killing was planned at least a year in advance. "Bill Gary told me that they were planning the murder the year before at Christmas but that Fleet had to do something go somewhere. Gary got the dog hair 18 months before killing." Dan in Detroit provides the following details of how the crime was committed (post #501):
"He was in the house at 8. He went directly to the cellar room. Fleet had told him where the light switch was. He looked the house over. Was planning to be in the guest room but Patsy was packing in there, so he waited downstairs in basement."
"About 11 he`d just come upstairs to 1st floor grabbed the Maglite, heard noise, hid. There came Jonbenet downstairs from 2nd to 1st floor.(She ate pineapple)"
"He grabbed her wearing brown gloves, took her down to basement, stunned her, as he fondles her she awoke and screamed, he kneed her in head, lay there waiting to see if anyone heard, when police didn`t show in time it would take(he knew time because Fleet called 911) he garotted her in boiler room."
"She had messed pants. They said Friday. That wouldn`t do, this was a Wed murder. He`s killed lots on wed-sun. 2nd kid with same name had to be killed wed- sun. He`d already killed Ramsay in MT in 1996. Things had gone well, he had time. Went to 2nd floor. Parents slept on 3rd floor. Couldn`t find underpants, searched drawers, ripped open package, took out WED, didm`t know were too big, took blanket, etc. Heard noise. Went back downstairs."
"Jonbenet partly loose, paintbrush broken. Hit her in head with flashlight. Changed underwear, not shirt, tightened garotte, stuck something in her, went and put note on steps and johns picture, returned flashlight, returned, wiped her out, wiped off crusty spot blood with finger, put her in cellar, inspected blanket, ripped fibre 4 pieces, used tweezers put piece in garotte and put piece under tape, left through window, slipped on suitcase. etc..."

I find it absolutely disgusting that you people speculate that Fleet White planned and killed JonBenet Ramsey. This type of irresponsible speculation says a lot about the person posting it.

What are you, Patsy Ramsey's sister?

[Athena]

Originally posted by rosebud



I find it absolutely disgusting that you people speculate that Fleet White planned and killed JonBenet Ramsey. This type of irresponsible speculation says a lot about the person posting it.

What are you, Patsy Ramsey's sister?

How did you guess, Priscilla?

Originally posted by Athena


How did you guess, Priscilla?

It was easy to guess, Pam. Nothing else would account for so much nonsense posted here by you.

JMO

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by rosebud


It was easy to guess, Pam. Nothing else would account for so much nonsense posted here by you.

JMO

Rosebud, Athena gave the link to the credible site that theory is posted on, as is required in the "Poster Expectations".

The nonsense you post rarely has a link, Rosebud. You make blatant statements that have no grain of truth, such as the one yesterday where you said Lou Smit was paid by the Ramseys. And the one where you said "The coroner who did the autopsy thought that pebbles she was dragged across may have made the marks."

Time after time we ask you for a link backing up your off-the-wall statments, Rosebud, but you ignore us or offer an excuse why you can't find it. I'm getting quite tired of you making things up, and presenting them to us as fact, to support your RDI beleif.

MOO

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by Athena


How did you guess, Priscilla?

It appears that Priscilla was on the warpath last night! It's ok, Althena, I'll 'fess up...I'm the REAL Pam! Hi ho hi ho, off to work I go...have a great day, folks!

[Athena]

Originally posted by MyrDawn


Rosebud, Athena gave the link to the credible site that theory is posted on, as is required in the "Poster Expectations".

The nonsense you post rarely has a link, Rosebud. You make blatant statements that have no grain of truth, such as the one yesterday where you said Lou Smit was paid by the Ramseys. And the one where you said "The coroner who did the autopsy thought that pebbles she was dragged across may have made the marks."

Time after time we ask you for a link backing up your off-the-wall statments, Rosebud, but you ignore us or offer an excuse why you can't find it. I'm getting quite tired of you making things up, and presenting them to us as fact, to support your RDI beleif.

MOO

Unfortunately my mistake last night was to even look at the poster's response as I have this poster on ignore. It is apparent the poster shoots from the hip without really reading or cannot comprehend what she is reading since she thought that those were my words - but 'tis OK as it has reminded me why I did it in the first place.

Originally posted by Athena
This was added - IDI - Possible Serial Killer??

http://tinyurl.com/ppp9r

Bill Gary. Internet poster Dan in Detroit claims that Bill Gary is the killer, in collaboration with Fleet White. Gary's known m.o. (redressing his child victims) was seen in JBR's case. Dan in Detroit claims that because the newspaper containing John Ramsey's circled face was 14 months old, the killing was planned at least a year in advance. "Bill Gary told me that they were planning the murder the year before at Christmas but that Fleet had to do something go somewhere. Gary got the dog hair 18 months before killing." Dan in Detroit provides the following details of how the crime was committed (post #501):
"He was in the house at 8. He went directly to the cellar room. Fleet had told him where the light switch was. He looked the house over. Was planning to be in the guest room but Patsy was packing in there, so he waited downstairs in basement."
"About 11 he`d just come upstairs to 1st floor grabbed the Maglite, heard noise, hid. There came Jonbenet downstairs from 2nd to 1st floor.(She ate pineapple)"
"He grabbed her wearing brown gloves, took her down to basement, stunned her, as he fondles her she awoke and screamed, he kneed her in head, lay there waiting to see if anyone heard, when police didn`t show in time it would take(he knew time because Fleet called 911) he garotted her in boiler room."
"She had messed pants. They said Friday. That wouldn`t do, this was a Wed murder. He`s killed lots on wed-sun. 2nd kid with same name had to be killed wed- sun. He`d already killed Ramsay in MT in 1996. Things had gone well, he had time. Went to 2nd floor. Parents slept on 3rd floor. Couldn`t find underpants, searched drawers, ripped open package, took out WED, didm`t know were too big, took blanket, etc. Heard noise. Went back downstairs."
"Jonbenet partly loose, paintbrush broken. Hit her in head with flashlight. Changed underwear, not shirt, tightened garotte, stuck something in her, went and put note on steps and johns picture, returned flashlight, returned, wiped her out, wiped off crusty spot blood with finger, put her in cellar, inspected blanket, ripped fibre 4 pieces, used tweezers put piece in garotte and put piece under tape, left through window, slipped on suitcase. etc..."

At what point did he remove the flashlight batteries and wipe the Ramseys fingerprints off them - and why?

[Athena]

Originally posted by WallyCleaver


At what point did he remove the flashlight batteries and wipe the Ramseys fingerprints off them - and why?

I just want to make sure that everyone reading this realizes I did not write this post/theory. It was written by another poster who claims to have contact with the killer either directly or through an acquaintence and there are several posts of his relating to this on that site where it takes you if you click on his name.

Also re: the flashlight -- did it definitely belong to the Ramseys?

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by WallyCleaver


At what point did he remove the flashlight batteries and wipe the Ramseys fingerprints off them - and why?

Wally, some things just cannot be explained...when the Lindbergh baby was kidnapped..the nursery was fingerprinted...not even the mother's nor the nanny's fingerprints showed up....the parents in that case were also accused of being too stoic....they did present that demeanor in pubic..but grieved privately!

[sweetcharlotte]

Originally posted by Athena


<snip>

Also re: the flashlight -- did it definitely belong to the Ramseys?

I read somewhere - no link - that Patsy remembered that the flashlight was a Christmas present from John Andrew. ("Death of Innocence - maybe?) If it was a gift maybe the batteries were put in at the store.........which still wouldn't explain why no prints unless the person installing the batteries let them slide from the package into the palm of their hand which I have seen people do.

JMO

[Athena]

Originally posted by sweetcharlotte


I read somewhere - no link - that Patsy remembered that the flashlight was a Christmas present from John Andrew. ("Death of Innocence - maybe?) If it was a gift maybe the batteries were put in at the store.........which still wouldn't explain why no prints unless the person installing the batteries let them slide from the package into the palm of their hand which I have seen people do.

JMO

Thanks sweet. When I read the John and Patsy interviews 6/98 - neither one of them seems to be sure it's the one that John Andrew gave them. John's response says "if that's the same MAG one John Andrew gave it to them". Patsy says John Andrew gave them one that looked similar to the photo but that it was a "slicker, black". Trip DeMuth does say the color was a result of processing. Just did not appear conclusive to me.

I'm wondering if the batteries were actually "wiped clean" or there just weren't any fingerprints found. Where did the "wiped clean" come from? IMO if the flashlight belonged to the Ramseys there would certainly be no reason for them to take the batteries out and wipe them clean??? It would have been a non-issue if their fingerprints were found since it was their flashlight.

That could be another part of the staging by IDI. JMO

Originally posted by Athena


I'm wondering if the batteries were actually "wiped clean" or there just weren't any fingerprints found. Where did the "wiped clean" come from? IMO if the flashlight belonged to the Ramseys there would certainly be no reason for them to take the batteries out and wipe them clean??? It would have been a non-issue if their fingerprints were found since it was their flashlight.

That could be another part of the staging by IDI. JMO

Don't forget the gloves were wore during that night. If the flashlight was Christmas gift to Andrew or brand new owned by Ramseys, then how come intruder didn't bring his own? If it was intruder's and if he forgot to take flashlight with him after, then he would not have remember to wipe off the fingerprints as leaving flashlight there, otherwise he would have taken the flashlight with him without the need to wipe off the fingerprints. Flashlight was just a part of Ramsey's staging, simple. The clues are right there, you aren't seeing it yet. IMO

[sweetcharlotte]

Originally posted by harz


<snip>

The clues are right there, you aren't seeing it yet. IMO

What I'm not seeing is parents of a six year old with no motive killing their child. JMO

[Athena]

Originally posted by sweetcharlotte


What I'm not seeing is parents of a six year old with no motive killing their child. JMO

Originally posted by sweetcharlotte


What I'm not seeing is parents of a six year old with no motive killing their child. JMO

How would you know if JB’s death was a murdered or an accident? Even if there was a graphic photography or a videotape of the Ramseys staging the scene right in your face, you won’t see any motives in it. Ironies, if you could accept Ramsey’s staging but refuse to accept any motives behind it? So you won’t accept the staging which was done by the Ramseys, vice versa? JMO

[Athena]

According to this Internet poster he has sent information to Lou Smit re: this serial killer. I don't know who this guy is or if what he is saying is true - but he certainly seems to think it is.


http://tinyurl.com/qsegr

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by Athena
According to this Internet poster he has sent information to Lou Smit re: this serial killer. I don't know who this guy is or if what he is saying is true - but he certainly seems to think it is.


http://tinyurl.com/qsegr

Althena...I didn't notice where this Gary is originally from? Why would he have claimed to murder the headless horseman in Missouri...that story is as old as the hills....I've heard it for years...

[Athena]

Originally posted by LadyFisher
Althena...I didn't notice where this Gary is originally from? Why would he have claimed to murder the headless horseman in Missouri...that story is as old as the hills....I've heard it for years...

I agree Lady but it appears these murders span across years - 1976-1996. Those posts are bizarre - you have to read them with an open mind. I have no idea who this guy is but others seem to respect him over there and apparently whoever this guy is knows family members - I think his sister - the guy that supposedly is the serial killer is from Michigan? and is the Oakland County Child Killer (he murdered 4 girls) and his real name is Gary McGreen. I am just as confused as you are.

Originally posted by Athena


Thanks sweet. When I read the John and Patsy interviews 6/98 - neither one of them seems to be sure it's the one that John Andrew gave them. John's response says "if that's the same MAG one John Andrew gave it to them". Patsy says John Andrew gave them one that looked similar to the photo but that it was a "slicker, black". Trip DeMuth does say the color was a result of processing. Just did not appear conclusive to me.

I'm wondering if the batteries were actually "wiped clean" or there just weren't any fingerprints found. Where did the "wiped clean" come from? IMO if the flashlight belonged to the Ramseys there would certainly be no reason for them to take the batteries out and wipe them clean??? It would have been a non-issue if their fingerprints were found since it was their flashlight.

That could be another part of the staging by IDI. JMO

If the R's prints were on the batteries, it would mean it was their flashlight. That would be the reason to wipe the batteries.

I admit I don't know if they were wiped, or just no prints were found. The killer didn't bring anything else with him- he used their pen and paper, their cord, their tape. (We know items priced exctly what the cord and tape were priced were bought at a local hardware with Patsy's credit card). It seems most likely it was the same flashlight JAR gave them.

Most stores don't install batteries. Flashlights and batteries come in blister packs then you install them at home. I think it would be difficult to install them w/o prints.

Originally posted by LadyFisher
Althena...I didn't notice where this Gary is originally from? Why would he have claimed to murder the headless horseman in Missouri...that story is as old as the hills....I've heard it for years...

Because he's a lying nutcase?

[sweetcharlotte]

Originally posted by WallyCleaver

<snip>

(We know items priced exctly what the cord and tape were priced were bought at a local hardware with Patsy's credit card). It seems most likely it was the same flashlight JAR gave them.

Most stores don't install batteries. Flashlights and batteries come in blister packs then you install them at home. I think it would be difficult to install them w/o prints.

No link - but have you read about the study conducted by UC students re: items costing the same as the tape/cord? There were many items that cost the same.

Most stores don't install batteries unless you ask them to but some stores (at one time) kept a bin of batteries that they used just for that purpose. (Personal experience - Radio Shack - radio). JMO

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by harz


How would you know if JB’s death was a murdered or an accident? Even if there was a graphic photography or a videotape of the Ramseys staging the scene right in your face, you won’t see any motives in it. Ironies, if you could accept Ramsey’s staging but refuse to accept any motives behind it? So you won’t accept the staging which was done by the Ramseys, vice versa? JMO

An accident? Why on earth would the Ramseys stage an accident to make it look like JonBenet was murdered?

[Athena]

Originally posted by sweetcharlotte


No link - but have you read about the study conducted by UC students re: items costing the same as the tape/cord? There were many items that cost the same.

<snip>

JMO

Re: the pricing -- I have no doubt there were several items that can have the same cost and the store could not produce itemized receipts. More speculation. jmo

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by Athena


Re: the pricing -- I have no doubt there were several items that can have the same cost and the store could not produce itemized receipts. More speculation. jmo

Imagine, more than one item in the store selling for $1.99 and $2.29.

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by WallyCleaver


Because he's a lying nutcase?

:lol: I think we finally agree on something!

[Athena]

Originally posted by LadyFisher
:lol: I think we finally agree on something!

LOL. I have to admit I'm kind of embarrassed having posted this here now. But by the same token goes to show you that the Wiki site (so-called encyclopedia) is made up of many internet posters' own thoughts, theories, opinions, speculation, and innuendoes, etc. and most of it is not based on fact. JMO

[lucky13]

IMO, any one of us on this message board could claim the same thing as this Gary person. With all of the info out there about this case, a scenerio would not be hard to come up with. I'm thinking.....John Karr the 2nd....

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by Athena


LOL. I have to admit I'm kind of embarrassed having posted this here now. But by the same token goes to show you that the Wiki site (so-called encyclopedia) is made up of many internet posters' own thoughts, theories, opinions, speculation, and innuendoes, etc. and most of it is not based on fact. JMO

Oh, no, Althena...I'm glad you posted it....it's intriguing..and if nothing else..it's good for a laugh...which we all need here occasionally!

Originally posted by sweetcharlotte


No link - but have you read about the study conducted by UC students re: items costing the same as the tape/cord? There were many items that cost the same.

Most stores don't install batteries unless you ask them to but some stores (at one time) kept a bin of batteries that they used just for that purpose. (Personal experience - Radio Shack - radio). JMO

No, I hadn't heard about that study. That is interesting. Always room for reasonable doubt.

Originally posted by MyrDawn


An accident? Why on earth would the Ramseys stage an accident to make it look like JonBenet was murdered?

An accident can be such as how they treated JB like pushing, hitting, punish her in a room in basement where heavy things fell on her head, or garrote game & the molesting gone wrong that had to be cover up. Some parents do threat each other to kill their children being against the divorce or some of their dark truths being expose. I can go on listing many possible reasons for the cover ups to make deceased to look like a murder was done by someone else if you like. I assumed you could figure why would an accident need to be cover up making it look like someone else murdered her. If JB was murdered by Ramseys, there still some possible motives which I and others did mentioned some here before. Most of the murder's motives doesn't make any sense, which is why we couldn't agree on one or the motives haven't been revealed to a sense yet. JMO

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by harz


How would you know if JB’s death was a murdered or an accident? Even if there was a graphic photography or a videotape of the Ramseys staging the scene right in your face, you won’t see any motives in it. Ironies, if you could accept Ramsey’s staging but refuse to accept any motives behind it? So you won’t accept the staging which was done by the Ramseys, vice versa? JMO

harz, of course we would believe it if there was a videotape...but there isn't any! Most of us have no problem believing parents kill and stage...but I know of no other case that parents killed their child by strangulation (and I know theres been much debate on this board concerning that), which I do believe the strangulation came first...and then the head injury...sexually assaulting her..and leaving their own broken paintbrush? Does that really make sense to you? imho

Originally posted by LadyFisher
harz, of course we would believe it if there was a videotape...but there isn't any! Most of us have no problem believing parents kill and stage...but I know of no other case that parents killed their child by strangulation (and I know theres been much debate on this board concerning that), which I do believe the strangulation came first...and then the head injury...sexually assaulting her..and leaving their own broken paintbrush? Does that really make sense to you? imho

If we may agreed the scene was staged, but both IDI & RDI could not come into an agreement on just one motive because the motives haven't been discovered yet. Both of us probably never will ever to learn the real motives behind JB's death or the staging. If we do discover a motive, then higher chance the killer would be exposed already. Maybe the motives are very well hidden as difficult for us to notice any. Maybe it would help for us to figure this case in backward as review the timeline of staging first by going backwards which may give clues on some ideas behind the staging caused by JB's death. What exactly happened that night is still vague to me, but I have strong opinion that one or both of Ramseys did the staging. But what the reasons or motives behind their staging are still puzzling to me.

If there was an intruder, he must be very professional or has IQ of 300 or the luckiest SOB alive on this planet. Do you know anyone who is the most cunning pedophile or a pedophile always have good lucks on anything in his life, or a professional doing the collateral damages jobs for living in Boulder back then? I wonder if anyone in Boulder noticed someone who no longer around as into hiding after JB’s death? Would you want to mention to police if you notice David Westerfield took off with his RV on the morning after Van Damme disappeared? His neighbors did that which helped police’s suspicion on him that lead to bring him into for the questioning then lead to the warrants on discovering Van Damme’s blood in his RV and on David’s clothes. Also his behavior had been obviously suspicion. How come no one noticed any suspicion behavior of an individual (Except Ramseys) with the ties to Ramseys in Boulder after JB’s death that they would want reports it?

If it was an intruder, he had a key, he knew the Ramseys, he knew where Ramsey’s had their stuffs inside Ramsey’s 6000 square feet house, he knew John came from south, he knew the alarm system was off, he knew the movies Speed, Dirty Harry, etc, he knew John’s $118,000 bonus, he knew about SBTC as clue for either John or Patsy, he knew John Ramsey had a local bank for withdrawal, he knew the wine cellar was remotest location of the house with latch lock, he knew where JB’s bedroom was, he knew when Ramsey went to sleep, he knew where Patsy tend to walk down on which stairs in the mornings, he knew who were home that night, and what else did he knew? Maybe he also knew Ramsey’s plans going to Michigan. So who is the suspect? Who does that leave us? Too many clues if you ask left by an intruder, then everybody would have already discovered who this killer was since the evidences suggested the killer had ties or connections with the Ramseys somehow. JMO

[LadyFisher]

Originally posted by harz


If we may agreed the scene was staged, but both IDI & RDI could not come into an agreement on just one motive because the motives haven't been discovered yet. Both of us probably never will ever to learn the real motives behind JB's death or the staging. If we do discover a motive, then higher chance the killer would be exposed already. Maybe the motives are very well hidden as difficult for us to notice any. Maybe it would help for us to figure this case in backward as review the timeline of staging first by going backwards which may give clues on some ideas behind the staging caused by JB's death. What exactly happened that night is still vague to me, but I have strong opinion that one or both of Ramseys did the staging. But what the reasons or motives behind their staging are still puzzling to me.

If there was an intruder, he must be very professional or has IQ of 300 or the luckiest SOB alive on this planet. Do you know anyone who is the most cunning pedophile or a pedophile always have good lucks on anything in his life, or a professional doing the collateral damages jobs for living in Boulder back then? I wonder if anyone in Boulder noticed someone who no longer around as into hiding after JB’s death? Would you want to mention to police if you notice David Westerfield took off with his RV on the morning after Van Damme disappeared? His neighbors did that which helped police’s suspicion on him that lead to bring him into for the questioning then lead to the warrants on discovering Van Damme’s blood in his RV and on David’s clothes. Also his behavior had been obviously suspicion. How come no one noticed any suspicion behavior of an individual (Except Ramseys) with the ties to Ramseys in Boulder after JB’s death that they would want reports it?

If it was an intruder, he had a key, he knew the Ramseys, he knew where Ramsey’s had their stuffs inside Ramsey’s 6000 square feet house, he knew John came from south, he knew the alarm system was off, he knew the movies Speed, Dirty Harry, etc, he knew John’s $118,000 bonus, he knew about SBTC as clue for either John or Patsy, he knew John Ramsey had a local bank for withdrawal, he knew the wine cellar was remotest location of the house with latch lock, he knew where JB’s bedroom was, he knew when Ramsey went to sleep, he knew where Patsy tend to walk down on which stairs in the mornings, he knew who were home that night, and what else did he knew? Maybe he also knew Ramsey’s plans going to Michigan. So who is the suspect? Who does that leave us? Too many clues if you ask left by an intruder, then everybody would have already discovered who this killer was since the evidences suggested the killer had ties or connections with the Ramseys somehow. JMO

I don't think anything was staged...I think everything including the way the body was discovered was a "signature" from the perp...no, I don't think he is quite as intelligent as you think...he has some education....If I was a betting woman, but I'm not...I would bet there were plenty of tips called into BPD that were not taken seriously....I don't have clue were the perp is today...maybe in jail, maybe in a psyche ward somewhere..he may never have killed again..but he'll get caught...imho

[americanpride91]

could the killer possable be Joseph Edward Duncan i know it a little bit out there and i don't know if he was in jail at the time but here why i think of this

1-All of the murders the Duncan been tie too have a same M.o to the JonBenet Ramsey case

2- the Groenes killing was plan out and to me JonBenet Ramsey was not maybe shown that he had to a better way to his target

3-Groenes kids would taking because he saw what like and Duncan had tie to the Ramsey case it could be the same reason

Originally posted by LadyFisher
I don't think anything was staged...I think everything including the way the body was discovered was a "signature" from the perp...no, I don't think he is quite as intelligent as you think...he has some education....If I was a betting woman, but I'm not...I would bet there were plenty of tips called into BPD that were not taken seriously....I don't have clue were the perp is today...maybe in jail, maybe in a psyche ward somewhere..he may never have killed again..but he'll get caught...imho

Police or detective said the note was "dumb down" also dont forget "and hence" phrase IMO

[Athena]

Personally I do not see the connection and his victims were boys:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485031/

[Mishell1383]

Originally posted by americanpride91
could the killer possable be Joseph Edward Duncan i know it a little bit out there and i don't know if he was in jail at the time but here why i think of this

1-All of the murders the Duncan been tie too have a same M.o to the JonBenet Ramsey case

2- the Groenes killing was plan out and to me JonBenet Ramsey was not maybe shown that he had to a better way to his target

3-Groenes kids would taking because he saw what like and Duncan had tie to the Ramsey case it could be the same reason

Im not sure if I am grasping what you are saying?.. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly?

[americanpride91]

Originally posted by Athena
Personally I do not see the connection and his victims were boys:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8485031/

they did tie him to the killings of two little girls

[bullmoose]

I live only 50 miles from CoeurD'Alene and the Groene case is still very big news here; as a matter of fact Duncan is suspected in cases of child abductions of both male and female children; at the time he committed the Groene murders in May of 05 he was living in N. Dakota and was on bail for molestation charges in Minnesota. He is actually from the Tacoma, Washington area; in Washington state he spent many yearsin prison for a sexual assault on a teenage boy. If he was out of prison in 96, I do not know; I would be interested to find out, although Jonbenet's murder doesn't seem to match his MO.