Children Of Psychopaths

[froggy]

Should the children of Psychopaths have their lives monitored and charted by a Special Behavioural Science Unit working out of the FBI?

This would be done in the interests of Scientific Research, thus benefiting the wider Community and the relatives of the Psychopath.

Should a 'Family Charting Order' be written into Law?

In the event that Gene Maping is able to identify the Psychopath/Sociopathic gene, should every foetus be DNA tested and eliminated when this particular flaw is found?

Froggy, I think that is a brilliant idea. It would benefit the general public and give us back our rights to be protected from these psycopaths & even help their own families. There might be some who would not agree, but I'm all for it. Thanks for sharing!!

[mnoffki]

This is an idea that I would have mixed feelings about. On one hand, it's awesome. If there was a way to weed out psychopaths, then it would do a lot for our society.

The only problem with this is the potential for abuse. I keep having these Orwellian visions nagging at the back of my mind when I consider this. Where would it end? Something that begins as a good thing to do can be corrupted by the administration following.

Just my two cents.

Originally posted by mnoffki
This is an idea that I would have mixed feelings about. On one hand, it's awesome. If there was a way to weed out psychopaths, then it would do a lot for our society.

The only problem with this is the potential for abuse. I keep having these Orwellian visions nagging at the back of my mind when I consider this. Where would it end? Something that begins as a good thing to do can be corrupted by the administration following.

Just my two cents.

I think we should focus on people with cauliflower-ears.. No offense.. just a joke.

From joke to serious... The idea is awful.

JMO.

[mnoffki]

Originally posted by sturetroll
I think we should focus on people with cauliflower-ears.. No offense.. just a joke.

From joke to serious... The idea is awful.

JMO.

That was good.

Yeah, I don't know. The potential for abuse is a high price to pay.

Originally posted by mnoffki


That was good.

Yeah, I don't know. The potential for abuse is a high price to pay.

Lots of survivors of bad parenting out there. Real good people coming from bad back-grounds is more common than we recognize.

Genes? I have a "short" friend (or dwarf) who can't find anyone like him for the 6-7 generations he has been able to research. He fathered 2 "short" boys, BTW.

My BIL has diabetes 1. Can't find any in his family that had diabetes before, either.

I think there might be a psycopat-gene out there..

But most babies are born good and will live good lives.. JMO.

[mnoffki]

Originally posted by sturetroll
Lots of survivors of bad parenting out there. Real good people coming from bad back-grounds is more common than we recognize.

Genes? I have a "short" friend (or dwarf) who can't find anyone like him for the 6-7 generations he has been able to research. He fathered 2 "short" boys, BTW.

My BIL has diabetes 1. Can't find any in his family that had diabetes before, either.

I think there might be a psycopat-gene out there..

But most babies are born good and will live good lives.. JMO.

Good point. There are genes for being prone to alcoholism, diabetes, and breast cancer that have been isolated, but they do not always come to light in a lifetime. That brings me to another disturbing point:

If we start playing with genetics this way, we are stagnating the natural process of evolution. It's nice to think that the world would be rid of psychopaths, but not every criminal is necessarily a psychopath either. That's a small percentage of the general population. Not every psycho or sociopath will become serial killers. They may just be really charming, cold, SOB's that get into politics.

And who knows? Maybe this gene goes hand in hand with another one that may well be a benefit if the genetic soup gets mixed just so.

Originally posted by mnoffki


Good point. There are genes for being prone to alcoholism, diabetes, and breast cancer that have been isolated, but they do not always come to light in a lifetime. That brings me to another disturbing point:

If we start playing with genetics this way, we are stagnating the natural process of evolution. It's nice to think that the world would be rid of psychopaths, but not every criminal is necessarily a psychopath either. That's a small percentage of the general population. Not every psycho or sociopath will become serial killers. They may just be really charming, cold, SOB's that get into politics.

And who knows? Maybe this gene goes hand in hand with another one that may well be a benefit if the genetic soup gets mixed just so.

I think maybe a person who would monitor people based on genetics should be under scrutiny. Didn't Hitler ....? JMO.

[mnoffki]

Originally posted by sturetroll
I think maybe a person who would monitor people based on genetics should be under scrutiny. Didn't Hitler ....? JMO.

The more we post on this, the less I like the idea. You're absolutely right. It's a scary game to play that makes that ethical line far too fuzzy for my liking.

Originally posted by mnoffki


The more we post on this, the less I like the idea. You're absolutely right. It's a scary game to play that makes that ethical line far too fuzzy for my liking.

I wish froggy would give us some input.. Maybe that would make things clearer..

[mnoffki]

Froggy and others' input. But hey, not everyone is hanging around their PC on a Friday night.

Originally posted by mnoffki
Froggy and others' input. But hey, not everyone is hanging around their PC on a Friday night.

I looked for Froggy. He is out and about.. don't blame him. maybe he will be back to discuss later..

[mnoffki]

Originally posted by sturetroll
I looked for Froggy. He is out and about.. don't blame him. maybe he will be back to discuss later..

I hope so. This is a highly compelling topic, and one that we covered in many a philosophy class back in the day. There's a lot of ethical questions here and a lot of tangents to go on.

I would love to hear a differing viewpoint, and one that might even explore ways to achieve this without all the issues we've already brought up.

'Course, I will be afk a while talking to my aunt.

Originally posted by mnoffki


I hope so. This is a highly compelling topic, and one that we covered in many a philosophy class back in the day. There's a lot of ethical questions here and a lot of tangents to go on.

I would love to hear a differing viewpoint, and one that might even explore ways to achieve this without all the issues we've already brought up.

'Course, I will be afk a while talking to my aunt.

Stalin killed off a bunch of good people.. 40-50 years later they all came back... jmo.

[seawolf4]

I find the idea appalling.
1. While I believe that psychopaths have a cognitive defect no genetic link has been identified.
2. Most psychopaths do not commit serious crimes, although they inflict emotional havoc among those that know them.
3. Most criminals are not psychopaths.
The above is just my opinion, no links. However "The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout, phd, is very interesting reading.
If a 7 year old childs father is a psychopath why should this child be under FBI survalence for the rest of his/her life. Hey, why not monitor everyone, every second of their life?
The idea of testing fetuses for genetic defects and aborting those deemed unfit for life is horrifing. What if the mother does not want an abortion. Should she be hunted down and forced to undergo abortion of her child?
What is next? Those with lower intelligence? Genetic link for an expensive disease that they MAY develope?
MOO

Originally posted by froggy
Should the children of Psychopaths have their lives monitored and charted by a Special Behavioural Science Unit working out of the FBI?

This would be done in the interests of Scientific Research, thus benefiting the wider Community and the relatives of the Psychopath.

Should a 'Family Charting Order' be written into Law?

In the event that Gene Maping is able to identify the Psychopath/Sociopathic gene, should every foetus be DNA tested and eliminated when this particular flaw is found?

Why should children of psychopaths be monitored? What are you assuming will happen?

Do you realize your thinking is what justified racism and abuse of persons with disabilities (visible) and the poor for centuries?

Do you think it is generational (genetic and /or socialized)?

Your question violates several constitutional rights:

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY

FREEDOM FROM MALICIOUS PERSECUTION

EQUALITY FOR ALL

[froggy]

The thread was started with a view to seeking debate. Questions were raised. Opinion not given.

[PatC]

Originally posted by froggy
The thread was started with a view to seeking debate. Questions were raised. Opinion not given.

I feel about this the same way I feel about censorship of reading material (or TV shows or movies...etc. etc.)

I'm all in favor of it as long as I get to be the censor.

Can we spell "E T H N I C C L E A N S I N G"? {{{PatC shuddering}}}

Just a theory...

What if they isolated the causitive gene.....

Down through history Top Secret documents have been sold to the highest bidder...

Guns and ammo have been sold and so on and so forth..

What if this gene was sold..think of the consequences if it got into the wrong hands....Just an idea.....

That's a good question. However, seeing as how not even the most educated amongst us in the ways of the human mind ventures a guess at exactly how a psychopath/serial killer is created, I'm not sure anything would be gained.

If Hitler had had children would they have been Hitler? Probably not since environment and parenting plays such a role in how children turn out - not just DNA.

Ted Bundy fathered a child while awaiting execution in Florida - while I certainly cannot understand any female who would marry such a monster, much less conceive a child, I'd almost bet my savings that that child will not be another Ted Bundy or anyone even close.

[Knot4u2no]

There is no gene for psychopathy ... there is not a whole lot of agreement on what it is ... if it is. Is it a distinct clinical entity or on a continuum? What assessment technique would be used? How precise is it?

Government intrusion into private lives for the purpose of social engineering is generally unethical and a big gateway to the loss of freedom and justice.

Russell

[both_of_us]

Originally Posted by froggy

Should the children of Psychopaths have their lives monitored and charted by a Special Behavioural Science Unit working out of the FBI?

This would be done in the interests of Scientific Research, thus benefiting the wider Community and the relatives of the Psychopath.

Should a 'Family Charting Order' be written into Law?

In the event that Gene Maping is able to identify the Psychopath/Sociopathic gene, should every foetus be DNA tested and eliminated when this particular flaw is found?

No, I think it would be wrong for someone to have to pay for their parents crimes...and that is exactly what would be happening. It's not right at all.

Isn't it bad enough that they have to live out their lives without having a "normal" childhood or "normal" parents?

moo


eta: oops...just noticed the date on this thread...lol

Originally Posted by froggy

Should the children of Psychopaths have their lives monitored and charted by a Special Behavioural Science Unit working out of the FBI?

This would be done in the interests of Scientific Research, thus benefiting the wider Community and the relatives of the Psychopath.

Should a 'Family Charting Order' be written into Law?

In the event that Gene Maping is able to identify the Psychopath/Sociopathic gene, should every foetus be DNA tested and eliminated when this particular flaw is found?

That would have to be one of the most horrific ideas around genetic abuse in the hands of the 'mental health' professionals I can possibly imagine.

I would never, ever trust the state with this kind of legal intervention.

What next? No people with ADHD? And no Einstein.

The whole idea is appalling.

Simply because someone may be genetically prone to a certain behaviour is no guarentee that such behaviour will occur.

*shivers*

Originally Posted by froggy

Should the children of Psychopaths have their lives monitored and charted by a Special Behavioural Science Unit working out of the FBI?

This would be done in the interests of Scientific Research, thus benefiting the wider Community and the relatives of the Psychopath.

Should a 'Family Charting Order' be written into Law?

In the event that Gene Maping is able to identify the Psychopath/Sociopathic gene, should every foetus be DNA tested and eliminated when this particular flaw is found?

No because I've met plenty of people that came from such families that weren't like that. Why should they be monitored as if they are doing something wrong for being born into the wrong family?

How would you like it if you came from that type of enviroment and not only had ot deal with possible abuse but the FBI monitoring you as a child too?


I'm not sure if you haven't noticed but there are alot of sociopathes that come from families that are normal and spoil their kids.