Who Killed JonBenet ?

For some reason, Fleet White, who used to be John Ramsey's best friend now hates the Ramseys. He was with John when JonBenet was found, but has since become an enemy of the Ramsey family.

One look at these long, crazy, rambling letters written by Fleet White to various people make me think that he's just one more nut in the party mix bowl....

http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID35/79.html

How can you say that the author of those letters is a nut? Or does that fit your thinking vis a vis the Ramseys?

I think it is interesting that someone who was close to them and in fact present when JBR was found has come to believe that they are involved in the crime. But you seem to think you know more than they do.

I also find it interesting that Fleet and Priscilla White have not gone public, sold their story, written a book, or done anything to cash in on being close to such a high profile crime.

And you malign him? I totally disagree with you.

actually I don't think they are nuts. I think Fleet and Pricilla White wanted to distance themselves. With all the subsequent weirdness and finger pointing, its understandable they had a falling out. The Whites were "thought of" much like all the Ramsey's friends were.

I scanned it briefly as it was WAY too long!
Most of the second or was it third letter? Was White railing against Mr Tracey and addressed to the Board Of Regents at the U Of Colorado ...

It is now perfectly obvious to us that Mr. Tracey has (1) selfishly and irresponsibly used his position as a professional educator on the faculty of the University of Colorado to secure a commercially beneficial arrangement with the prime suspects in an ongoing murder investigation, (2) attempted to generate favorable public opinion for the Ramseys using biased, misleading and sensational television programs clumsily and unconvincingly disguised as academic work product, and (3) engaged in dishonest deceptive conduct in performing advocatory services for the Ramseys.



Oh shoot I just realized this is from Webbsleuths ... speakin' of nutty

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He seems a little out of the ordinary. A quick temper and doesn't mind showing it.

I can answer this question. Ramsey was asked by the Boulder police for a list of POSSIBLE suspects. He included White's name on the list along with numerous others (includibng his housekeeper). The Boulder police told White that Ramsey had named him as a suspect. White got very angry and turned on Ramsey.

The Whites were also very jealous of the Ramseys, and that goes back a long ways.

Originally posted by napa
I can answer this question. Ramsey was asked by the Boulder police for a list of POSSIBLE suspects. He included White's name on the list along with numerous others (includibng his housekeeper). The Boulder police told White that Ramsey had named him as a suspect. White got very angry and turned on Ramsey.

The Whites were also very jealous of the Ramseys, and that goes back a long ways.

How can you possibly know the Whites were jealous. Do you know them personelly?

Originally posted by napa
I can answer this question. Ramsey was asked by the Boulder police for a list of POSSIBLE suspects. He included White's name on the list along with numerous others (includibng his housekeeper). The Boulder police told White that Ramsey had named him as a suspect. White got very angry and turned on Ramsey.

The Whites were also very jealous of the Ramseys, and that goes back a long ways.

This is my reading as well. Apparently the Boulder cops were trying to dig up bad stuff about the Ramsey's by telling their friends "John and Patsy think you might have been involved" ... when in fact it was the cops who were pushing the names of friends as possible suspects to the Ramseys.... truly dispicable in my mind.

Originally posted by Miss Lissa
How can you possibly know the Whites were jealous. Do you know them personelly?

I'd like to know this, too. They were good friends from everything that was said after the murder, and after the murder, the Whites immediately distanced themselves from the Ramseys. As Miss Lissa asked above, were you personally acquainted with these people and knew this to be true, or at least, was that your personal take on the relationship? While I do find the letters a bit strange and definitely rambling, the Whites' didn't capitalize on anything when they could have done like most others involved in situations like this one. I don't think they can be accused of inappropriate or malicious behavior. I've always been curious about why would they think the Ramseys were guilty unless they had significant reason??? JMO

Fleet White came to realize what many of us believe about this case. I'm sure it was hard for him considering his close friendship with the Ramseys.

[Louisadelmar]

Originally posted by kathyl777us


I'd like to know this, too. They were good friends from everything that was said after the murder, and after the murder, the Whites immediately distanced themselves from the Ramseys. As Miss Lissa asked above, were you personally acquainted with these people and knew this to be true, or at least, was that your personal take on the relationship? While I do find the letters a bit strange and definitely rambling, the Whites' didn't capitalize on anything when they could have done like most others involved in situations like this one. I don't think they can be accused of inappropriate or malicious behavior. I've always been curious about why would they think the Ramseys were guilty unless they had significant reason??? JMO

I think Steve Thomas talked them into it. He thought if he could turn them against the Ramseys it would help his case.

Originally posted by rrsafety
For some reason, Fleet White, who used to be John Ramsey's best friend now hates the Ramseys. He was with John when JonBenet was found, but has since become an enemy of the Ramsey family.

One look at these long, crazy, rambling letters written by Fleet White to various people make me think that he's just one more nut in the party mix bowl....

http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID35/79.html

Fleet White was with JR,when he found JBR's body.White stated that JR's shock at finding the body,seemed fake.The Ramsey's then threw suspicion on White,The Santa,everyone but them.

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Originally posted by kathyl777us


I'd like to know this, too. They were good friends from everything that was said after the murder, and after the murder, the Whites immediately distanced themselves from the Ramseys. As Miss Lissa asked above, were you personally acquainted with these people and knew this to be true, or at least, was that your personal take on the relationship? While I do find the letters a bit strange and definitely rambling, the Whites' didn't capitalize on anything when they could have done like most others involved in situations like this one. I don't think they can be accused of inappropriate or malicious behavior. I've always been curious about why would they think the Ramseys were guilty unless they had significant reason??? JMO

Priscilla White was purported to be jealous of Patsy according to one of their mutual friends. And the White's in general did not like big money-- though they didn't mind being entertained by the Ramsey's at their summer house in Charlevoix on their dime. And I guess if the White's didn't like rich people then such people should have just donated all their money to the poor. It appears the White's were very judgemental. PMPT did an interesting job of portraying Fleet White, who BTW got everybody mad at him in Atlanta at the funeral.

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Originally posted by weepy willa


The Ramsey's then threw suspicion on White,The Santa,everyone but them.

Hard to understand why they didn't just yell out it was us it was us.:lol:

John Ramsey has stated that the Whites are jealous of anyone who "has money"

[Mimi428]

Originally posted by napa
John Ramsey has stated that the Whites are jealous of anyone who "has money"

That kind of statement tells me more about the person who is making it (Ramsey) than the person they are referring to (White).

Know what I mean?

Fleet and Priscilla White = SNOBS

Simple.

Originally posted by napa
John Ramsey has stated that the Whites are jealous of anyone who "has money"

Maybe they are just not very materialistic people. They were friends with the Ramseys , who obviously had money.When people say things like that, to me it screams of being catty and spiteful. I am talking about John saying that about the Whites. I think Fleet saw the true "Ramseys" that day and that is why the Ramseys pointed their fingers at the Whites. Fleet and Pricilla haven't wrote a book, they haven't done interviews and they cooperated with the police from the beginning. They didn't lawyer up immediately and seemed to genuinely want justice for Jon Benet, without profiting from her death. JMHO

Originally posted by BostonLegal


First of all I get the impression that White is bull-in-a china shop personality and emotional.

Perhaps Fleet is privvy to information that only he and John knew and he felt strongly that John should come forward. He was with John when the body was found.

And just MAYBE that information is what is not known to the general public and IS known to the killer.

Originally posted by Kay Crowley
You can find a copy of JBR's autopsy report at thesmokinggun.com.

At the end of the nine page report is a copy of the evidence that was given to the Boulder police department.

I hope this helps.

You've posted this same thing on at least two different threads (the only two I've read so far this afternoon).

1. Isn't that against TOS?
2. What is your point? If you have one, just make it. You have added absolutely nothing to either of the threads on which I've seen this posted.

Just checking: I assume that the Whites' handwriting was compared to the ransom note and that they were eliminated as suspects?

Do you mean hEARsay?

[deputydi]

Has anyone read Fleet White's "letter to the people of Colorado"?

It's kind of long, but it sounds to me like he believed the Ramsey's were guilty. It's suspicions like this that can end a friendship pretty quickly -- regardless of how long you've been friends.

This is the very last paragraph:

The people of Colorado are entitled to be frustrated and angry with those public officials and other persons who have brought this case to its current status. We must be mindful, however, of the first cause of the investigation's failure—the refusal of John and Patsy Ramsey to cooperate fully and genuinely with those officially charged with the responsibility of investigating the death of their daughter, JonBenet.

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/0817199...topeopleco.htm

I was reading a timeline, I think, I would have to go back and look it up, but does anyone else remember, it was witnessed that when White left the Ramsey's home after finding Jonbenet, he told everyone good bye then picked up one gift, didnt say where it picked it up from in the house, then he left with it. I thought that sounded odd, as they were all at the party together the night before. Maybe the Ramseys had forgot to take him one of his gifts, or maybe there was something in that wrapped present that some were trying to get out of that home. Most everyone knows trash and everything else will be checked after a crime. Wouldnt it be clever to have incriminating evidence wrapped and under the tree, then have someone later help you get it out. Just a thought and/or speculation.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by Miss Lissa
Maybe they are just not very materialistic people. They were friends with the Ramseys , who obviously had money.When people say things like that, to me it screams of being catty and spiteful. I am talking about John saying that about the Whites. I think Fleet saw the true "Ramseys" that day and that is why the Ramseys pointed their fingers at the Whites. Fleet and Pricilla haven't wrote a book, they haven't done interviews and they cooperated with the police from the beginning. They didn't lawyer up immediately and seemed to genuinely want justice for Jon Benet, without profiting from her death. JMHO

I TOTALLY agree.

And of course, all the people who were saying the Ramseys had nothing to do with the crime & were pointing their fingers at the police were going to ostracize the Whites for not joining their side.

There was to be no dissent in camp Ramsey.

[Jasvon]

It sounds to me that Fleet was jealous of John Ramsey and his lawyer friends who advised him what to do. IMO, Fleet must have thought JR should have thought more highly of his advice than the advice of lawyers.

~ Jas

Originally posted by rosyredrobin


I am truly puzzled by White's actions.

I am puzzled by everyone's actions in this case. Everything is bizarre about this case. I have never seen a case with this many twists and turns. Even though, there was no hard evidence in the Scott Peterson case, I dont think it was this confusing. JMHO

Originally posted by LI_Mom


I TOTALLY agree.

And of course, all the people who were saying the Ramseys had nothing to do with the crime & were pointing their fingers at the police were going to ostracize the Whites for not joining their side.

There was to be no dissent in camp Ramsey.

Isn't that the truth!

I'm trying to imagine the Ramsey's actions throughout this horrific

event, and I have a lot of unanswered questions and thoughts:

- John and Patsy get up day after Xmas and come down the stairs where

they find a note
* Why would a kidnapper risk putting the note on one staircase,
given they might not have used it. Why would he/she not put it
on a kitchen counter where it would be seen immediately.
* I'm wondering why a Mother/Father would not check on their
kids while they're upstairs....expecially given the excitement
of the Xmas season. Usually the kids are up first.

- J&P find the note. J reads it, stating that his child will be

"beheaded" if they call ANYONE. They go upstairs and find her missing.

The note is not a hoax.
* Why would P call the authorities and 5 other people, given the
threat of her daughter being beheaded? Given you believe the
note, wouldn't you be excuting your own daughter by calling
in so many people and authorities? Did they not take the note
seriously?
* They found her missing, but did not search the whole house.
* What if the kids were playing a cruel prank on their parents?
Would you not search the WHOLE house....checking....run outside
and look around....exhaust that possibility? Don't kids often
play pranks, hide in closets etc? Couldn't that have been a
possibility?

- Friends and authorities arrive and John is told by authorities to

search the basement. He takes Fleet White. FW concludes that John's

behaviour is suspect.
* Why did he and FW argue that day. Also at the funeral. Why
has FW disconnected himself from the family.
* Where did John disappear to that morning? He said he went to
check the mail, but he was gone a very long time. They have
never found the murder weapon (Club, bat, flashlight??) nor
have they ever found the roll of duct tape that was used. Is
it possible that John was ridding these items from the scene?

- John and Fleet find the body, John undoes JBR and carries her

upstairs.
* Don't the most feeble minded of us know, not to touch a crime
scene. Given JR position in life, would that not indicate a
"Take charge" kind of guy? Even in his grief, would he not
realize, at some level, that what he was doing as wrong. Did
FWhite instruct him not to move the body. Was that part of
their arguement that day? Wouldn't this absolve John in terms
of most any DNA found?

- The Ramsey's hire a team of high profile lawyers.
* Why would this be necessary?
* If they're complying completely with the police, why do they
need lawyers.
* You don't hear this happening in cases where the parent's are
innocent and genuily concerned.

On the other hand:

- They have identified DNA (Not J&P's) under Jon Benet's nail and on her

panties.
* Is this being compared with other pedophiles?

- John K has identified that he remembers/saw:
* a cheque stup on John's desk for $118,000.
* unique features regarding the staircase
* specifics about the basement where she was killed
* graphic details about Jon Benet's body


Still very confused..... I've always leaned toward the parents being the perps.....now I'm not so sure, given that the DNA's not theirs.

Did the White's testify before the Grand Jury? That would have been a good time to speak up since they are prosecution/LE driven. IIRC they were in session 13 months, but I don't remember how many other, if any, cases they heard.

Why were Fleet White and his wife excluded as suspects? He behavior after, and even before, the murders seemed odd to me. He knew the layout of the house and certianly had JonBenet's trust. Was it DNA?

Honestly, I have no idea why Fleet and Priscilla White were excluded as suspects. I would assume they, along with many of the Ramseys other friends, gave hair and blood samples to the police, as well as handwriting samples. That is an assumption ONLY. I don't KNOW.

I find it strange that Fleet turned against John and Patsy because the Ramseys hired lawyers and a PR firm. I've always felt there was another reason the Whites turned against the Ramseys and ended their friendship, but that's my opinion ONLY.

JMO

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by Mimi428


That kind of statement tells me more about the person who is making it (Ramsey) than the person they are referring to (White).

Know what I mean?

Yep, ITA

Originally posted by sunsplashed
Honestly, I have no idea why Fleet and Priscilla White were excluded as suspects. I would assume they, along with many of the Ramseys other friends, gave hair and blood samples to the police, as well as handwriting samples. That is an assumption ONLY. I don't KNOW.

I find it strange that Fleet turned against John and Patsy because the Ramseys hired lawyers and a PR firm. I've always felt there was another reason the Whites turned against the Ramseys and ended their friendship, but that's my opinion ONLY.

JMO

Many people thought there was another reason. I don't know if we will ever know.

Originally posted by samsong


Many people thought there was another reason. I don't know if we will ever know.

I'm of the firm belief that we'll never know.

JMO

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by sunsplashed
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I find it strange that Fleet turned against John and Patsy because the Ramseys hired lawyers and a PR firm. I've always felt there was another reason the Whites turned against the Ramseys and ended their friendship, but that's my opinion ONLY.

JMO [/b]

I find it very strange as well. They spent Christmas with
these friends. We have close friends we spend Christmas
with, they are like family to us. I cannot imagine that
if their child was killed there would be anything that would
turn us against them, unless we honestly believed they
had killed their child, which I would never, ever believe.
If they reacted differently than we thought they should? No
way. We might argue with them, we would certainly give
our advice, solicited or not, but turn on them? No way,
no how, unless we honestly believed they were guilty.

Originally posted by bandit's mom


I find it very strange as well. They spent Christmas with
these friends. We have close friends we spend Christmas
with, they are like family to us. I cannot imagine that
if their child was killed there would be anything that would
turn us against them, unless we honestly believed they
had killed their child, which I would never, ever believe.
If they reacted differently than we thought they should? No
way. We might argue with them, we would certainly give
our advice, solicited or not, but turn on them? No way,
no how, unless we honestly believed they were guilty.

I know what you are talking about. I just don't think we will ever know. Even though he may think he knows they were the killers, he must just have a hunch and no evidence.

[bandit's mom]

Originally posted by samsong


I know what you are talking about. I just don't think we will ever know. Even though he may think he knows they were the killers, he must just have a hunch and no evidence.

Yes, but a pretty odd hunch about such close friends.

Originally posted by napa
I can answer this question. Ramsey was asked by the Boulder police for a list of POSSIBLE suspects. He included White's name on the list along with numerous others (includibng his housekeeper). The Boulder police told White that Ramsey had named him as a suspect. White got very angry and turned on Ramsey.

The Whites were also very jealous of the Ramseys, and that goes back a long ways.

This is bull-poo!

The Whites were upset with the Ramsey's because they (Whites) felt the ramsey's weren't being cooperative enough in order to solve the murder. John and Fleet came to blows here in Atlanta after the funeral. Neither accused the other of the murder...THIS IS FALSE. Of course John and Patsy had to provide a list of people who were one of the last persons to see JBR alive.

DANG.....I hate it when people get the facts wrong.

Originally posted by bandit's mom


Yes, but a pretty odd hunch about such close friends.

He was there before and after. Maybe he saw something that wouldn't be evidence, but would raise a flag with him. He may have questioned their behavior in the days following the murder. I know he wrote a letter stating that he was upset with the influence of their attorneys on the handling of the case.