The Ramseys 1996 Christmas Letter & their morning coffee

Patsy Ramsey must have taken lots of photographs and video of the Christmas party they gave that year. Where are they? Why not talk to all those who were invited?

Karr father and wife has no photos of Christmas with three small boys? Who believes this?

Karr will say he did this all as a "sacrifice" to the memory of JonBenet to bring it back in the world's memory.

How do you know LE hasn't spoken to the guests that attended the party and they just aren't speaking about it? How do you know LE doesn't have pics and/or video from the party?

[LI_Mom]

The Ramsey party was Dec. 23.

It's really hard to believe Karr hung around Boulder for almost FOUR DAYS and not a single person has come forward & said they saw him.

A hotel? A McDonald's? A taxi driver? A bus driver? Nobody?

Originally posted by LI_Mom
The Ramsey party was Dec. 23.

It's really hard to believe Karr hung around Boulder for almost FOUR DAYS and not a single person has come forward & said they saw him.

A hotel? A McDonald's? A taxi driver? A bus driver? Nobody?

Really? Where did you hear the evidence of what they have or don't have about who saw him or not? Do you really think they have to come on TV to tell us about it and if they don't it means it didn't happen?

Originally posted by LI_Mom
The Ramsey party was Dec. 23.

It's really hard to believe Karr hung around Boulder for almost FOUR DAYS and not a single person has come forward & said they saw him.

A hotel? A McDonald's? A taxi driver? A bus driver? Nobody?

I think he probably looks alot different now than he did then-no one may recognize him from 10 years ago

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by breezy1234


Really? Where did you hear the evidence of what they have or don't have about who saw him or not? Do you really think they have to come on TV to tell us about it and if they don't it means it didn't happen?

No, Breezy, I think we just have to hear from all his former classmates & ex-wives & friends & doctors & internet cafe users & people he emailed & people he spoke to on the telephone.... all the "real" witnesses have brilliantly evaded the news media.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by ava


I think he probably looks alot different now than he did then-no one may recognize him from 10 years ago

It's possible but when you think of how often "America's Most Wanted" gets tips about suspects from some pretty old cases.... you have to wonder why a man who is now very well known all around the world is not recognized.

Originally posted by LI_Mom


It's possible but when you think of how often "America's Most Wanted" gets tips about suspects from some pretty old cases.... you have to wonder why a man who is now very well known all around the world is not recognized.

Not true, if someone is ordinary and does not draw attention why would you take notice of them at all? I know when I walk into a party I dont notice the quiet, withdrawn people who are antisocial first.

Originally posted by LI_Mom
The Ramsey party was Dec. 23.

It's really hard to believe Karr hung around Boulder for almost FOUR DAYS and not a single person has come forward & said they saw him.

A hotel? A McDonald's? A taxi driver? A bus driver? Nobody?

I don't know about that. Unless he said or did something to cause himself to stand out in a crowd I wouldn't remember him. That was ten years ago anyway! Please!

[LI_Mom]

I know the average person might not remember but Boulder has a population of over 4 million people... it's highly likely that SOMEONE would remember seeing him.

It's the Christmas season & people are more likely to speak to a stranger & wish them a happy holiday & ask them if they are visiting from out of town.

Originally posted by LI_Mom
I know the average person might not remember but Boulder has a population of over 4 million people... it's highly likely that SOMEONE would remember seeing him.

It's the Christmas season & people are more likely to speak to a stranger & wish them a happy holiday & ask them if they are visiting from out of town.

You're reaching. 4 mil people is the very reason that someone would be less likely to remember him. From what I can tell he, at that time, had an unremarkable appearance. He'd be lost in a sea of faces unless, like I said, he did something to cause himself to stand out.

[merical]

I think this is what bothers me the most. The fact that somebody decided to publish the autopsy report and now the world (media) thinks that they have every bit of pertinent information. I don't buy it. There is always information that LE doesn't make public, stuff that usually isn't leaked and I honestly believe that if this guy winds up charged with the crime, then it will be something having to do with that.

[LordMisRule]

Originally posted by merical
I think this is what bothers me the most. The fact that somebody decided to publish the autopsy report and now the world (media) thinks that they have every bit of pertinent information. I don't buy it. There is always information that LE doesn't make public, stuff that usually isn't leaked and I honestly believe that if this guy winds up charged with the crime, then it will be something having to do with that.

Yes! I don't know how many times we've been shocked on the courttv web board in regards to information presented in court when following a case through trial, even though we've discussed it ad nauseum before trial. I remember a couple things with the Laci Peterson case that came out during trial that we hadn't heard, and that whole case was always a news media headliner.

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by Victoria
Patsy Ramsey must have taken lots of photographs and video of the Christmas party they gave that year. Where are they? Why not talk to all those who were invited?

Karr father and wife has no photos of Christmas with three small boys? Who believes this?

Karr will say he did this all as a "sacrifice" to the memory of JonBenet to bring it back in the world's memory.

Patsy & John's Christmas party was on 12/23. There were 31 people there. They gave the BPD a list of everyone that was there. I am sure they were talked to. In my opinion, Karr was never at the party. John Ramsey said he does not know him.
However, the Christmas of 1994, they allowed the historical society to include their house in a Christmas tour and over 2000 people toured their home. On Karr's resume, it says he was interested in Victorian style homes.

Originally posted by LexieRae


Patsy & John's Christmas party was on 12/23. There were 31 people there. They gave the BPD a list of everyone that was there. I am sure they were talked to. In my opinion, Karr was never at the party. John Ramsey said he does not know him.
However, the Christmas of 1994, they allowed the historical society to include their house in a Christmas tour and over 2000 people toured their home. On Karr's resume, it says he was interested in Victorian style homes.

Very good angle Lexie! You might be on to something there.

where was karr the xmas of 2004? very good observation.

sorry i meant 1994.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by LI_Mom


It's possible but when you think of how often "America's Most Wanted" gets tips about suspects from some pretty old cases.... you have to wonder why a man who is now very well known all around the world is not recognized.

Just a wild crazy guess, but don't you think it's possible he wore a disguise back then, considering the reason he would have been there?

Originally posted by LexieRae


Patsy & John's Christmas party was on 12/23. There were 31 people there. They gave the BPD a list of everyone that was there. I am sure they were talked to. In my opinion, Karr was never at the party. John Ramsey said he does not know him.
However, the Christmas of 1994, they allowed the historical society to include their house in a Christmas tour and over 2000 people toured their home. On Karr's resume, it says he was interested in Victorian style homes.

I don't believe the Ramsey's home was a Victorian.

[MyrDawn]

Originally posted by rrsafety



I don't believe the Ramsey's home was a Victorian.

Right. It's a Tudor style house.

http://www.realtor.com/FindHome/Home...7&lnksrc=00002

Originally posted by LI_Mom
The Ramsey party was Dec. 23.

It's really hard to believe Karr hung around Boulder for almost FOUR DAYS and not a single person has come forward & said they saw him.

A hotel? A McDonald's? A taxi driver? A bus driver? Nobody?

Because it was ten years ago?

Originally posted by merical
I think this is what bothers me the most. The fact that somebody decided to publish the autopsy report and now the world (media) thinks that they have every bit of pertinent information. I don't buy it. There is always information that LE doesn't make public, stuff that usually isn't leaked and I honestly believe that if this guy winds up charged with the crime, then it will be something having to do with that.

That's what I'm screamin'.

Originally posted by rrsafety



I don't believe the Ramsey's home was a Victorian.

Like that would matter to him. If he were in Boulder at the time and the home was open to public tours don't you think he'd jump on the chance to get in?

Originally posted by Slicky


Like that would matter to him. If he were in Boulder at the time and the home was open to public tours don't you think he'd jump on the chance to get in?

depends on how interested he was and what the tour included. If your love "victorian" homes and this tour only included say a few of those, Im not sure Id take it myself. Just IMO.

Im curious how the ex didnt remember he was gone for days... cause that's what this all seems to be implying.

Originally posted by Victoria
Patsy Ramsey must have taken lots of photographs and video of the Christmas party they gave that year. Where are they? Why not talk to all those who were invited?

Karr father and wife has no photos of Christmas with three small boys? Who believes this?

Karr will say he did this all as a "sacrifice" to the memory of JonBenet to bring it back in the world's memory.

Karr's father has photos of Karr's sons, just none of them include Karr. At least, that's the last I heard.

I don't find that odd. I hate being photographed, myself and so do my brothers and sister. Lots of people do. While there are a LOT of photos of children in our family on holidays and at other times, there are few of the adults.

I find Karr odd, just not the fact that he doesn't appear in the Christmas photos. Doesn't mean he was or wasn't there, of course, just that it's not been proven he was in Georgia.

JMO

Huh.....Boulder...4 million people...not even close


Boulder is a community of about 100,000 people including a student population at the University of Colorado of about 25,000. It located 25 miles northwest of Denver on US 36. Boulder is nestled in a valley at the foot of the Rocky Mountains and is known for its scenic beauty and recreational opportunities. The climate is dry and mild, with more than 300 days of sunshine each year; occasional winter snowstorms benefit the world-class ski resorts just a short distance away.

Originally posted by Not Telling
How do you know LE hasn't spoken to the guests that attended the party and they just aren't speaking about it? How do you know LE doesn't have pics and/or video from the party?

All I have to say is Steve T. the lead Det. He is the reason no one was ever looked at unless by someone else and if they found reason to believe the Ramsey's then Steve T. refussed to hear them..
read his Dep. that he gave in 2001..he is nothing but a liar.
So I am sure he never even wanted to see pictures or video because then he might have to say he was wrong and Patsy was not guilty of smashing her duaghters head againt the tub...plz.....


read all his lies and cover ups here

http://www.jonbenetindexguide.com/09...teveThomas.htm

Originally posted by SillyMe


Not true, if someone is ordinary and does not draw attention why would you take notice of them at all? I know when I walk into a party I dont notice the quiet, withdrawn people who are antisocial first.

Sorry, but this guy looks and acts a little OFF, someone would have noticed him.

Question, the Christmas Party on the 23d, it could be possible that someone may have wandered into the room where the Ramsey's note paper was, stole some sheets of it, and took it home wrote the ransom note at his or her leisure, and stole back into the house the night of the murder. Until this new suspect came up, I was always wondering how someone would be able to take so much time to write a note, but maybe that note was prewritten, why not ask everyone who attended that party to volunteer for DNA?

Originally posted by Barney
Question, the Christmas Party on the 23d, it could be possible that someone may have wandered into the room where the Ramsey's note paper was, stole some sheets of it, and took it home wrote the ransom note at his or her leisure, and stole back into the house the night of the murder. Until this new suspect came up, I was always wondering how someone would be able to take so much time to write a note, but maybe that note was prewritten, why not ask everyone who attended that party to volunteer for DNA?

Also found in the house was the pad of paper that the ransom note came from and on that pad was another sheet of paper that had a practice ransom note on it. This means that if someone took the pad prior to the day of the murder he would have had to bring the whole thing back, rip the three-page rasom note from it and place it on the stairs, and put the pad in a drawer.

Originally posted by LI_Mom
The Ramsey party was Dec. 23.

It's really hard to believe Karr hung around Boulder for almost FOUR DAYS and not a single person has come forward & said they saw him.

A hotel? A McDonald's? A taxi driver? A bus driver? Nobody?

To be honest...I can't even recall the faces of people I ran into 2 weeks ago, let alone 10 years ago. It's ridiculous to think a reasonable number of people can remember him...JMHO.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by ghewitt21901


Sorry, but this guy looks and acts a little OFF, someone would have noticed him.

And we have to believe someone would travel halfway across the country to kidnap a child and not care if a house full of people saw him there.

And not worry about leaving any prints or forensic evidence in the house. Why take that risk?

If the killer was at the party, it wasn't a stranger, imo.

Originally posted by rosyredrobin


What? You mean you don't remember every stranger you saw ten years ago? What is wrong with you? ROFL......

I musta had me drinking goggles on back then.....

Originally posted by rosyredrobin


Or it may be that you are must normal (like most of the rest of us.)

Nah...you don't say!

I've read several posts wanting to know if anyone could find a copy of the Ramseys 1996 Christmas letter.

I found it quite by accident while I was searching for something else, so thought I'd share it with the posters looking for it.

Here's the link:

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/1996chr...newsletter.htm

Originally posted by sunsplashed
I've read several posts wanting to know if anyone could find a copy of the Ramseys 1996 Christmas letter.

I found it quite by accident while I was searching for something else, so thought I'd share it with the posters looking for it.

Here's the link:

http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/1996chr...newsletter.htm

thanks sun, i was one of them looking for it.

Originally posted by jerzeegirl


thanks sun, i was one of them looking for it.

You're welcome. I found it by accident while searching for the link about what JB was wearing at the White's party.

Originally posted by sunsplashed


You're welcome. I found it by accident while searching for the link about what JB was wearing at the White's party.

well if you havent found that, its in patsys 4/97 interview.

Originally posted by jerzeegirl


well if you havent found that, its in patsys 4/97 interview.

Okay, thanks!

I noticed in the Christmas letter, Patsy used a LOT of exclamation points. Then, so do I.

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by sunsplashed


I noticed in the Christmas letter, Patsy used a LOT of exclamation points. Then, so do I.

Me too! lol


There was some talk about why Patsy wrote: 'friends' with quotes.

One final note ... thank you to all my 'friends' and my dear husband for surprising me with




It just occurred to me, you'd think after writing so much personal stuff to 'friends' and family, that she'd sign it "The Ramseys" and not use their names.