Can he still be charged/accomplice/write book??

i'm sorry if this has been discussed before but is it possible that John Karr had an accomplice? and that he was involved in the killing of JonBenet so that's why the DNA doesn't match?

or is the DA and LE convinced that JonBenet was killed by a lone individual?

I agree with you, but as to what the DA believes, that hasn't been stated.

I think they're keeping Karr in the forefront, and just not letting the public know.

Lacy did say that he's going to be watched and further investigated.

Originally posted by bumblebee1
i'm sorry if this has been discussed before but is it possible that John Karr had an accomplice? and that he was involved in the killing of JonBenet so that's why the DNA doesn't match?

or is the DA and LE convinced that JonBenet was killed by a lone individual?

My opinion of that is that Karr wasn't even involved, let alone having an accomplice.

JMO

[bullmoose]

I found it interesting during the news conference that Mary Lacy stated that Karr's family had really no record of him during the period of 12/25 and 1/03; I sort of think, like angelskye, that they are doing more checking. I think I heard on Nancy Grace the other day that they have to formally charge him within 72 hours or whatever it is, or dismiss. I think that yhet could refile if they come up with some evidence. bullmoose

Originally posted by bullmoose
I found it interesting during the news conference that Mary Lacy stated that Karr's family had really no record of him during the period of 12/25 and 1/03; I sort of think, like angelskye, that they are doing more checking. I think I heard on Nancy Grace the other day that they have to formally charge him within 72 hours or whatever it is, or dismiss. I think that yhet could refile if they come up with some evidence. bullmoose

It's JMO, but I think Karr is out of this case. Sure, charges could be brought against him at a later date, but I don't think they will be. Not without a DNA match. They can't place him at the scene. I think the case against Karr is pretty much closed, even if not officially.

JMO

http://www.wbir.com/news/national/st...?storyid=37376


In May, his last two e-mails to Tracey, DAXIS stated he had been "with her" and that he and someone else were there and "they killed her."

I believe at one point in the news conference Mary Lacy said the word "Killers" twice. I have it recorded, if need be I can confirm.

Lorakai

[bullmoose]

To sunsplashed: I think that you are probably right, I thought he was a wacko all along; but like so many others I was hoping for a resolution to the case. bullmoose

Originally posted by mmerijayn
http://www.wbir.com/news/national/st...?storyid=37376


In May, his last two e-mails to Tracey, DAXIS stated he had been "with her" and that he and someone else were there and "they killed her."

Some speculate that JMK has a multiple personality disorder, which could explain the woman JMK said was with him. I believe it was a woman he said in the Emails?

Otherwise a real person could have been with him, but personally I think JMK emails prove this was something special between just he and JonBenet, which leads me to believe his alter was the woman as JMK is seen on the net in photos dressed as a woman wearing makeup.

Lorakai

Originally posted by bumblebee1
i'm sorry if this has been discussed before but is it possible that John Karr had an accomplice? and that he was involved in the killing of JonBenet so that's why the DNA doesn't match?

or is the DA and LE convinced that JonBenet was killed by a lone individual?

I think this is quite possible. I wonder if Karr knew Helgoth?

There is no way to confirm JMK's whereabouts on that fateful night because he and his wife were living apart at the time.

With the above information (or lack thereof, I should say) combined with the knowledge that is likely impossible to match the DNA found on JonBenet's panties to anyone, in my mind I cannot rule out the possibility that JMK might have truly been present when JBR died.

I still can't get past the SBTC and the usual formation of the letters a, d and double ll, written in the ransom note, and being so similar to Karr's handwriting, even decades later.

IMO

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by bullmoose
I found it interesting during the news conference that Mary Lacy stated that Karr's family had really no record of him during the period of 12/25 and 1/03; I sort of think, like angelskye, that they are doing more checking. I think I heard on Nancy Grace the other day that they have to formally charge him within 72 hours or whatever it is, or dismiss. I think that yhet could refile if they come up with some evidence. bullmoose

Karr told them that his wife would not be able to give him an alibi through Jan4th, and they checked and he was very close, no one could give him an alibi through Jan2nd......(this is the way I understood Lacy) I just feel there are too many coincidences with Karr that connects him to this crime. He fits the profile, pedophile, been charged/accused with crimes on little girls before, the handwriting very close match to ransom note, the initials......
jmo

I could believe just about anything at this point. An accomplice makes as much sense as anything else.

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I think this is quite possible. I wonder if Karr knew Helgoth?

There is no way to confirm JMK's whereabouts on that fateful night because he and his wife were living apart at the time.

With the above information (or lack thereof, I should say) combined with the knowledge that is likely impossible to match the DNA found on JonBenet's panties to anyone, in my mind I cannot rule out the possibility that JMK might have truly been present when JBR died.

I still can't get past the SBTC and the usual formation of the letters a, d and double ll, written in the ransom note, and being so similar to Karr's handwriting, even decades later.

IMO

Sorry to quote myself, but my last paragraph should have read:

I still can't get past the SBTC and the unusual formation of the letters a, d, and ll, written in the ransom note, and being so similar to Karr's handwriting, even decades later.

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by cantaloupe
I could believe just about anything at this point. An accomplice makes as much sense as anything else.

Karr may not want to "share" JonBenet with anyone. He seems pretty possessive of her in his e-mails, only willing to share her with Patsy. But he did alude a few times to someone else being with him. Delusional or fact? It could explain the DNA being wrong but the other things being right. If he had a 'partner', when he finds outs that Mary Lacy dismissed him and said "He is not the killer", Karr may be mad enough to reveal the WHOLE TRUTH.
just speculating!

No, because that would mean that he did it and I've never been convinced that he did. He just seems to be the perfect 'boogyman' in a case like this. I think everyone wants to believe someone *like* him is responsible but, I think that the person who did this is a lot closer to the Ramseys than that. JMO.

Originally posted by Hey Paula


I think this is quite possible. I wonder if Karr knew Helgoth?

There is no way to confirm JMK's whereabouts on that fateful night because he and his wife were living apart at the time.

With the above information (or lack thereof, I should say) combined with the knowledge that is likely impossible to match the DNA found on JonBenet's panties to anyone, in my mind I cannot rule out the possibility that JMK might have truly been present when JBR died.

I still can't get past the SBTC and the usual formation of the letters a, d and double ll, written in the ransom note, and being so similar to Karr's handwriting, even decades later.

IMO

Hey Paula, Can you tell me what happened to Helgoth? Did he die? They did test his DNA and came up no match? What is the origin of the blood in JonBenet's panties? I thought they were trying to match saliva in her panties against these suspects, but they did not say where the blood came from did they? I have not kept track of this case very well. thanks

Originally posted by nutmeg22


Hey Paula, Can you tell me what happened to Helgoth? Did he die? They did test his DNA and came up no match? What is the origin of the blood in JonBenet's panties? I thought they were trying to match saliva in her panties against these suspects, but they did not say where the blood came from did they? I have not kept track of this case very well. thanks

Helgoth was found shot to death. Although it was first believed to have been a suicide, this was later ruled out due to the trajectory of the bullet and other evidence at the scene.

Since learning about Helgoth, I have held on to the possibility that he might have been involved in JonBenet's murder, and that perhaps his accomplice murdered him , fearing Helgoth might turn informant.

IMO

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Helgoth was found shot to death. Although it was first believed to have been a suicide, this was later ruled out due to the trajectory of the bullet and other evidence at the scene.

Since learning about Helgoth, I have held on to the possibility that he might have been involved in JonBenet's murder, and that perhaps his accomplice murdered him , fearing Helgoth might turn informant.

IMO

Thank you, Hey Paula, Helgoth sure sounds like he definitely could be the suspect from what I have read here.

Originally posted by bumblebee1
i'm sorry if this has been discussed before but is it possible that John Karr had an accomplice? and that he was involved in the killing of JonBenet so that's why the DNA doesn't match?

or is the DA and LE convinced that JonBenet was killed by a lone individual?

I never thought Karr was involved in JBR's murder...although I believe as he traveled deeper into the pedophiliac world, he came across JBR's murderer.

MOO

[LexieRae]

Originally posted by Scully
No, because that would mean that he did it and I've never been convinced that he did. He just seems to be the perfect 'boogyman' in a case like this. I think everyone wants to believe someone *like* him is responsible but, I think that the person who did this is a lot closer to the Ramseys than that. JMO.

I used to think it was someone related to the housekeeper. About 3 weeks before JBR was killed, the HK had to get all of the Christmas trees out and enlisted help from her daughter and her daughter's b/f, IIRC. The Ramseys had a tree in every room. These trees were stored in the basement. I know the HK had money problems and family problems. She was living in a home that belonged to her sister (IIRC) and the sister was going to evict her for back rent. She asked Patsy to borrow $2500.00 and Patsy agreed and was going to leave it on the counter for her before they left for their trip on 12/26. I KNOW the HK was checked and re-checked...but I always wondered about her daughter and the b/f. That maybe JBR was going to be kidnapped for ransom, and killed accidently. However, the manner she was killed, clearly shows a pedophile (in my opinion and according to the experts) so unless the b/f was one, or had someone help him that was...my therory quickly went down the drain.
Anyone close to the HK, would have known things about the Ramseys....
jmo

Originally posted by Hey Paula


Helgoth was found shot to death. Although it was first believed to have been a suicide, this was later ruled out due to the trajectory of the bullet and other evidence at the scene.

Since learning about Helgoth, I have held on to the possibility that he might have been involved in JonBenet's murder, and that perhaps his accomplice murdered him , fearing Helgoth might turn informant.

IMO

That's my guess as well. I think, in a two-person scenario, Helgoth might easily have been the thug of the operation. Someone else was the brain, i'm thinking, and when it became clear that Helgoth couldn't keep his mouth shut, he was murdered.

[bullmoose]

It sure makes more sense than the theory that Patsy clubbed her like a baby seal for wetting the bed. bullmoose

JMK wants to be known for this act all he has to do is to hand over the panties and the other rope that he had around her neck that he said he "Took" with him. He said in his emails that he used two ropes. THe one that was left around her neck when they found her was a different one then the one he used in the sexual acts. He said he kept that one. Have him turn them over to prove it.

[emdragon]

to those of you who can not accept that karr was not involved in jonbenets murder i ask you the following..

How did he know about jonbenet? she wasn't famous until AFYER her death.

There has been nothing found that connects him to the ramseys at all, or that puts him in boulder.. and while many feel that no pictures of christmas 96 proves he could have been in boulder i ask any of you with kids would you not Remember if their father was not with them for Christmas?

Nothiing has been found to put him boulder, no paper trail, hotel records nothing.

but they can put him in thialand at many different times..

the truth is this is a man who is delussional and believes he was there but he simply wasn't.

as for an accomplice well karrs e-mails discribed oral sex yet his DNA was not on the child.. that isn't possible and that is why the DA knows the man was not involved.

just face the facts..
i know people do not want to let this go, the have to believe he did it...just like my mothers friend who is positive that since karr looked like jonbenet and his first name was john as was hers he is her real father.. (had to laugh at that one)

he may be sick and he may be crazy but he didn't murder jonbenet.

Could he legally write a book about his ordeal?
I know in some states if you are convicted of a crime you cannot make a profit off of that crime (write a book, collect insurance, etc). But, since Karr seems to be the wrong guy for JBR's murder would there be any law prohibiting him ?
Thanks to modern technology he could do his own desk top publishing. I wouldn't personally buy a book from him, but I could understand LE and people in the medical community taking an interest in how someone like this functions.

Originally posted by StinkyPinky
Could he legally write a book about his ordeal?
I know in some states if you are convicted of a crime you cannot make a profit off of that crime (write a book, collect insurance, etc). But, since Karr seems to be the wrong guy for JBR's murder would there be any law prohibiting him ?
Thanks to modern technology he could do his own desk top publishing. I wouldn't personally buy a book from him, but I could understand LE and people in the medical community taking an interest in how someone like this functions.

yes he can , he was not convicted, even charged with this crime so he can write one and probably will, he sure marketed it didnt he

imo

Not sure.
Feds got rid of the "Son of Sam" laws, but I believe there are state laws prohibiting profiting from a crime (convicted people).

Originally posted by peachdaquari
yes he can , he was not convicted, even charged with this crime so he can write one and probably will, he sure marketed it didnt he

imo

I believe you are correct.

Larr in the subject line is a combination of liar and Karr.











Who am I kidding, it was a typo. Sorry!

Originally posted by StinkyPinky
Larr in the subject line is a combination of liar and Karr.











Who am I kidding, it was a typo. Sorry!

lol, it sounded good tho :lol:

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by peachdaquari
yes he can , he was not convicted, even charged with this crime so he can write one and probably will, he sure marketed it didnt he

imo

I agree.

And he also succeeded in eclipsing Tracey.

He sure can. A good title would be
"Karr Trouble."

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
He sure can. A good title would be
"Karr Trouble."

Originally posted by LI_Mom


I agree.

And he also succeeded in eclipsing Tracey.

Oh, come on. I don't think we have seen the last of Tracey.

Originally posted by mmerijayn
http://www.wbir.com/news/national/st...?storyid=37376


In May, his last two e-mails to Tracey, DAXIS stated he had been "with her" and that he and someone else were there and "they killed her."

yeah, and on CCLive just now, she quoted one of the e-mails where Karr used the phrase "killers."

CC asked Jean C. about the possibility that Karr was referring to multiple killers of JonB and whether the DA had considered that possibility, and Jean said she "thought" that the DA thought Karr was referring to more than one killer than himself AT FIRST but realized that he meant only himself.

but but but then why would he use the plural "killers?" makes no sense.

hmmmmmm...i don't know. the whole thing is so peculiar.

Originally posted by sunsplashed


My opinion of that is that Karr wasn't even involved, let alone having an accomplice.

JMO

DITTO

Who would publish it? The NAMGLA (North American Man Girl Love Association) Press? We've heard his disgusting fantasies in his emails ("I love you, JonBenet." "We were in intense lovemaking; she died by mistake," and the unforgetable "I wished I could climb into her coffin and make love to her one more time"). Oh, there's nothing stopping him from writing, but who would pay to put it into print, and who would pay to read it?

Originally posted by Regina.Lampert
He sure can. A good title would be
"Karr Trouble."

Or
"Karrnal Knowledge"

[LI_Mom]

Originally posted by samsong


Oh, come on. I don't think we have seen the last of Tracey.

No way! What else would Tracey do if not profit on the JB case?

I'm sure we'll hear from Tracey, Hutchens AND Karr.

Originally posted by LexieRae


Karr told them that his wife would not be able to give him an alibi through Jan4th, and they checked and he was very close, no one could give him an alibi through Jan2nd......(this is the way I understood Lacy) I just feel there are too many coincidences with Karr that connects him to this crime. He fits the profile, pedophile, been charged/accused with crimes on little girls before, the handwriting very close match to ransom note, the initials......
jmo

i know...it's stuff like this that keeps me on the fence about this guy. i just think that there might be more to his connection to this crime than is known.

i am not so quick to write him off completely just because the DNA doesn't match.