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#1 08-29-2006, 04:48 PM

tonight on 48hrs they will be doing a program about the black dahlia murder, in case anyone is interested.

there is a movie coming out soon about the case, starring josh hartnett.

#2 08-29-2006, 05:09 PM

Thanks for the reminder!

Babby~A · #3 08-29-2006, 05:10 PM

Thanks for the tip.

#4 08-29-2006, 05:11 PM

Thanks for the reminder!
I have been interested in this case for a long time.

Looking forward to the movie too!

#5 08-29-2006, 05:17 PM

Is this the repeat?
Does anyone know if the movie is based on this son believing that his dad was the killer?

#6 08-29-2006, 05:23 PM

I'll probably watch half of it.

#7 08-29-2006, 05:29 PM

Thanks for the heads-up.

ButterflyGrl · #8 08-29-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by wnyguy
I'll probably watch half of it.

...Am I the only one that got that?

#9 08-29-2006, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by ButterflyGrl

...Am I the only one that got that?

Maybe.

#10 08-29-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by ButterflyGrl

...Am I the only one that got that?

I admit, I didnt get it till you pointed it out! :lol:

#11 08-29-2006, 05:54 PM

am I the only one who didn't get it?

#12 08-29-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally posted by confusedeasily
am I the only one who didn't get it?

I don't think so.

ButterflyGrl · #13 08-29-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by wnyguy

I don't think so.

:lol:

#14 08-29-2006, 06:00 PM

Was the Black Dahlia chopped in half? I dont remember.

ButterflyGrl · #15 08-29-2006, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by [{--pinkie--}]>

I admit, I didnt get it till you pointed it out! :lol:

I'm usually the one going..what?what?.....

ButterflyGrl · #16 08-29-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by msgatorslayer
Was the Black Dahlia chopped in half? I dont remember.

Yes...

#17 08-29-2006, 06:03 PM

I admit it was a crude and inappropriate crack but when I see the opening I can't stop myself.

#18 08-29-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by ButterflyGrl

Yes...

Maybe I'm getting cases mixed up. But isn't this the case where many people stood by and watched her get killed. Doing nothing to help? And she was chopped up. GAWD!!!

ButterflyGrl · #19 08-29-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally posted by wnyguy
I admit it was a crude and inappropriate crack but when I see the opening I can't stop myself.

It's ok......I'm just happy I finally caught something before everyone else........

ButterflyGrl · #20 08-29-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by msgatorslayer

Maybe I'm getting cases mixed up. But isn't this the case where many people stood by and watched her get killed. Doing nothing to help? And she was chopped up. GAWD!!!

No..this is unsolved...happened in I think the 50's.....

#21 08-29-2006, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by ButterflyGrl

It's ok......I'm just happy I finally caught something before everyone else........

And I'm just happy when anyone "gets it".

ButterflyGrl · #22 08-29-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally posted by wnyguy

And I'm just happy when anyone "gets it".

:lol:

#23 08-29-2006, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by msgatorslayer

Maybe I'm getting cases mixed up. But isn't this the case where many people stood by and watched her get killed. Doing nothing to help? And she was chopped up. GAWD!!!

that was in NY and it was kitty genovese.

this one is in LA, happened in 1947.

#24 08-29-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by ButterflyGrl

No..this is unsolved...happened in I think the 50's.....

Thanks for clearing up my mind, lmao.

#25 08-29-2006, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Kimi

that was in NY and it was kitty genovese.

this one is in LA, happened in 1947.

I was just going to ask if anyone knew what case I was thinking about. Thanks!!

ButterflyGrl · #26 08-29-2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by msgatorslayer

Thanks for clearing up my mind, lmao.

You are welcome...I was wrong about the year though...

#27 08-29-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by wnyguy

And I'm just happy when anyone "gets it".

It might have been a subliminal message you sent, because it appears another poster got it, without realizing s/he got it, or the post was just a coincidence.

#28 08-29-2006, 07:26 PM

Thanks for heads up kimi.

packy · #29 08-29-2006, 11:55 PM

Thanks, Kimi. I watched it and I had read his book. Still confused except for the fact that it was some sick person who did this crime.

Not surprised to hear how the LE was running rampant in corruption at that time. What else is new.

#30 08-29-2006, 11:57 PM

I still have about an hour till it comes on here

emmeblu · #31 08-30-2006, 12:57 AM

I've missed it on the East Coast but I remember seeing the story before. Darn, I would have liked seeing the show again.
If I remember correctly, some guy figured out his dad was the killer. Hope I am not mixing up my stories.

LordMisRule · #32 08-30-2006, 03:02 AM

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Originally posted by emmeblu
I've missed it on the East Coast but I remember seeing the story before. Darn, I would have liked seeing the show again.
If I remember correctly, some guy figured out his dad was the killer. Hope I am not mixing up my stories.

Yes, his name is Steve Hodel. I just watched it. It's quite interesting. Steve Hodel was a detective, after his father, George Hodel died, he was given a small photo album. A couple of the pictures in the album resembled Elizabeth Short, which led him to what he thinks is evidence pointing to his father committing the crime.

Even though he believes his father committed the murder, there were some key pieces of evidence that cannot be labeled as irrefutable proof. 1) Experts cannot confirm one way or another if George Hodel's handwriting samples match that of the messages received from the killer, 2) The forensic artist states she is 85% sure the photos in Hodel's album are not of Short, and 3) there were at least 7 or 8 people in the list of suspects who were able to commit the crime (had surgical knowledge).

Unfortunately, most of the evidence from the case has been lost, so they may not be able to solve this crime ever. Which is a shame. Also, it came out that Short was not a prostitute, nor was she a famous actress. She was a nice girl, trying to make it in Hollywood.

#33 08-30-2006, 08:29 AM

I watched the show. The elder Hodel was a sick twist for sure. So, I can understand why his Son thinks he was the killer. There was some circumstantial evidence pointing towards him. And I do find it odd that he left the area after a supposed pay out to LE.

It was also interesting to hear just how corrupt LE was in those days. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the evidence for the case is missing.

I looked the case up on the net after the show was over and there are autopsy photos online that are gruesome.

The case will never be solved, IMO.

#34 08-30-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by msgatorslayer

Maybe I'm getting cases mixed up. But isn't this the case where many people stood by and watched her get killed. Doing nothing to help? And she was chopped up. GAWD!!!

no, i think that was Kitty Genovese, in New York, years ago...people heard her screaming and did nothing, didn't even call police. nice neighbors, huh?

i watched the show on the black dahlia, it was good

edited to add: oh sorry, now that i've read this whole thread, i see that this was already mentioned.

carry on!!

oldschool · #35 08-30-2006, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by ButterflyGrl

No..this is unsolved...happened in I think the 50's.....

I have herd JMK was with her when she died and it was an accident.

#36 08-30-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally posted by wnyguy
I'll probably watch half of it.

24?

#37 08-31-2006, 01:36 PM

"LE was running rampant in corruption at that time. What else is new."

Don't you mean what else is old?

It wouldn't have taken a forensic expert to know that the pictures the younger Hodel believed to be Smart were not her at all.

#38 09-06-2006, 10:59 AM

1) Whether or not the photos in his father's album were of Elizabeth Short or not is utterly besides the point. Those photos were what started Steve Hodel on the investigation and they are NOT what his conclusions are based upon.

2) If you have read the BLACK DAHLIA AVENGER his very thorough, compelling and sourced treatise on the evidence which proves conclusively that his father was the killer of Elizabeth Short as well as other women in the area at the time, with and without his accomplice, then you understand why Stephen Kay, retired DA as well as others, believe the case is solved.

IMO, you only think it's still a mystery if you haven't read BDA.

If your knowledge of the case is based on 46 HRS/MYSTERY, please understand that that show covered only a tiny sliver of the evidence. BDA is a 500 page book replete with exhibits, photos, rich with evidence. It's an extremely convincing read.

Add to that, the additional info that has become available since the original publication, access to police files, the revelation that Dr. Hodel was the prime suspect at the time, before he fled the country.

#39 09-08-2006, 09:23 PM

Unless you've read all the literature available on the case, it is wreckless to make such a statement that the case has been solved by Steve Hodel. No offense but your post borders on obnoxious. I'm not saying his father isn't the killer, I'm simply saying that that other authors, such as John Gilmore in "Severed: The True Story Of The Black Dahlia Murder" make at least as compelling a case for the killer being a man by the name of Jack Anderson Wilson. Unfortunately I found the book to be a difficult read as it is based entirely on case files, interviews with some of the investigating detectives, and the writer's own recorded conversations with the suspected killer.

#40 09-08-2006, 09:30 PM

I forgot to mention that John Gilmore had spent 24 years investigating the murder before he published his book. By the way, here is an interesting link if anyone cares to read it: http://www.laweekly.com/general/a-co...-avenger/9979/