Ocillians & Local News

[BevAnn]

ok, Oscillian, bnutty, whoever else claims to be from the area - why so cryptic?

I'm from an Arkansas small town - pop. 6,347 (I think) - and trust me, I know the good 'ole boy system. In fact, I am running for political office in my city this election. We've seen fist fights at city council meetings, tons of law suits against city personnel, family retaliation - you name it!! It can get ugly here too.

So, I kind of understand where you all come from...yet, it sounds like, from your various posts, Oscilla is much worse - am I correct? I guess if I lived there, I'd be going as public as possible about these issues. Grabbing every media person I could to let them know what was REALLY happening in this town. I know you guys fear retaliation.....but you know, a woman is missing, and it really does appear something stinks in Oscillian. Surely SOME one higher up in LE is looking into this town and it's police force!

Let me guess, no one will want to answer my post, because they are afraid to. Well, heck. pm me I guess! Or maybe, once Tara is found, and someone is charged with her murder, you guys can come back here and FINALLY explain what you knew all along!

Bev Ann

I wish I knew something and if I did I would be more than willing to share it with every network anchor person who came along. However, I never meant to make it sound as though I knew more than I had ever stated. I appreciate you as a small town person and never meant to offend any one. Every one always states that one can find corruption and deceitfulness every where....no matter where you call home. I guess when it slaps us in the face each day we seem to forget that others live in small towns too. It is extremely frustrating to feel as though "small" groups control what happens in our area. I know it goes on every where. No offense meant by any of my posts. I truly feel as though no matter how close any one (hired or amatuer) gets to the truth...it will prove futile. Others from my area share my feelings I know. I just seem to be blunt and to the point. Perhaps the reason Tara's family is so upset over LE is that they too know how our little area of the world works. I support Tara's family in their quest for the truth. I just hope that one day there will be justice....as well as closure.

BevAnn-
I understand your questions but the problem is that when we (people from the community) try to help on these forums and share certain information that we know to be factual, we are gunned down a large percentage of the time simply b/c so many people on this forum and others in the past want to believe the rumors and gossip, I guess because it is more juicy. There is information (small bits and pieces) about the search and investigation that some of us in this town know about that hasn't been released on the news. If we think that the information should be known and will not damage the investigation, then I think that it should be posted in order to straighten things out. It also hasn't been on the news because it doesn't go along with or support the news bashing of certain "suspects" that AG has been talking about on the news in the past.

Ocillian..you probably are a good ole boy but I was not referring to that type of good ole boy. I too have lived here my whole life except for when I was fortunate enough to leave and realize that there is a world out there but that is beside the point. I think you add to the message boards Ocillian. I just think we need not wear blinders when it comes to cover-ups, etc. I am not referencing the good old boy network in relation to speeding tickets, etc. I know that there is deep rooted corruption and I have proof of that. I am not pointing the finger at any one except to say....don't be surprised if the person who is guilty never pays for the crime. I have seen it happen and those around our community know what I am talking about.

[Atok]

* wow lots of posts posted while I was working on this reply...


I'll touch the post Bev...

Living in a small town during controversy this deep is like laying in bed with Cottonmouth snakes.

People want to help, but if their proof of fact is direct experience, saying so will implicate them in something or identify them when they wish to remain anonymous. Then they can only reply sort of crypticly or they can't say anything.

Comments target them for recrimations and a magnifying glass focus their personal lives can't handle. Small towns are catty places, little balls of soap opera and the show never goes off the air.

Everything someone says and does will follow them years after this case is resolved. They have to LIVE HERE after things settle down. We outsiders don't.

We need the locals to share the truth whenever it doesn't put their own worlds in jeopardy. Maybe we can have a sentance:

"I can't provide any more verification than my say so, I'm sorry." at which point a reader makes up their own mind about the veracity of the account, they accept it or discount it.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions.

[concernedperson]

I too am originally from a very small town. In Louisiana, does that tell you about corrupt? The network was always the same people and now they are all that is left.Except a pretty run down town with not a good tax base. Most people got tired fighting the system and left.

There is a sticky above about Nancy Grace talking about this case tonight and later doing an in depth piece. I think she got tired of my emails...LOL!

Part of my email campaign has been to Gov. Sonny Perdue. I am asking as a citizen of Georgia to please take a look. I want my state to be as safe and secure as possible in the big cities as well as the small towns. I want criminals prosecuted no matter who they are kin to. I don't want fear to be so pervasive that people can't speak or won't speak. We need to do the right thing and we need to teach our children to do the right thing....and when we do we should expect LE to do the right thing to.

[longcoolwoman]

Originally posted by Bnutty
...
I understand your questions but the problem is that when we (people from the community) try to help on these forums and share certain information that we know to be factual, we are gunned down a large percentage of the time simply b/c so many people on this forum and others in the past want to believe the rumors and gossip, I guess because it is more juicy. ...

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I just dont understand why people wouldn't want to hear the locals' information (the 411 that we are able to give) if the readers and posters are in fact here for the right reasons. I think that what some people have forgotten about is that this is a small town and the people that live here see things and know things that have not been on the news and things that have not been on this forum.
All of the people that read the credible info don't have to believe it, they can let it go thru one ear and out of the other. But when it is posted and we know the truth, we don't like to be accused of lying, protecting certain people, or assisting in some "cover-up".

Posters want to believe the locals but its kinda hard to have that trust when so many times over the years on CTV Boards, so-called locals (of any given city/case) give out wrong info. just to stir things up. Please dont be offended of non-locals being cautious and/or asking alot questions about what a local posts. If there is info to post, go ahead and post it....but post the whole scenario/story - not just 2 lines and then do the "I cant say anything else on the matter". If you cant post the WHOLE story - why even bring it up ? Its like a teaser on the news that never pans out. I think that would help the board alot. jmo.

Dont get me wrong, any info is wanted (the whole story) by us NON-locals.....all we have is the media reports. Thats just the way message boards work.
Same goes for "speculating".....tidbits lead non-locals to start posting what they think the rest of story is or means...again, speculating.

As for people posting theories & speculating - thats what this board is about and every other crime board on the net.
Theres nothing wrong with that, imo.

So, unless info posted is confirmed by dna, le, etc......i suppose anything goes and folks can choose to believe the poster or not-----either way ---a poster shouldnt be slammed for making that choice.
1 more thing...imo, all of the namecalling & snide/rude remarks need to stop or this board is doomed like the NH board .

jmo

[Babes]

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom
Posters want to believe the locals but its kinda hard to have that trust when so many times over the years on CTV Boards, so-called locals (of any given city/case) give out wrong info. just to stir things up. Please dont be offended of non-locals being cautious and/or asking alot questions about what a local posts. If there is info to post, go ahead and post it....but post the whole scenario/story - not just 2 lines and then do the "I cant say anything else on the matter". If you cant post the WHOLE story - why even bring it up ? Its like a teaser on the news that never pans out. I think that would help the board alot. jmo.

Dont get me wrong, any info is wanted (the whole story) by us NON-locals.....all we have is the media reports. Thats just the way message boards work.
Same goes for "speculating".....tidbits lead non-locals to start posting what they think the rest of story is or means...again, speculating.

As for people posting theories & speculating - thats what this board is about and every other crime board on the net.
Theres nothing wrong with that, imo.

So, unless info posted is confirmed by dna, le, etc......i suppose anything goes and folks can choose to believe the poster or not-----either way ---a poster shouldnt be slammed for making that choice.
1 more thing...imo, all of the namecalling & snide/rude remarks need to stop or this board is doomed like the NH board .

jmo

100% Agree

[BevAnn]

Border Collie - couldn't have said it better myself!!

Thanks for the replies guys (with out anyone getting into an argument even! LOL). I have really tried to imagine, if in my small town, this happened, with a member of LE in the lime light, etc...how it would pan out here? I can't say. I like to think, our police force wouldn't be doing things such as squabbling with searchers for going in front of someone's home on a public road! But who knows?

I can say this - we currently have the jr high teacher, who has been arrested for sex with her student. 14 yr old boy. I grew up with her - she was homecoming queen here, Ms. Popular, cheerleader, cute, adorable, etc....worked at our school since she got her degree. She's 37. And I have to say, our LE, our school system, the general pop of our small town is NOT supporting her at ALL. She says it's all made up by this kid, it's lies, etc. and no one is taking her side. I really figured this small town would rally around one of it's own, but they've really shunned her. Her trial is this summer. (in light of yesterday's dropped charges on the other teacher, I fear she may get off too)

Well, sorry for the detour I made there - just an analogy on small town justice!

Bev Ann

Murder expert to speak at Albany State University in Albany


Forensic scientist Henry C. Lee is expected to help draw more than 200 people to a forensic science symposium at Albany State University.

Aaron Bensonhaver -A premier name in forensic science who worked on the O.J. Simpson and JonBenet Ramsey murder cases will be in Albany this week for a forensic science symposium at Albany State University.

Henry Lee, a forensic scientist considered to be among the best in his field, will be the main speaker at a symposium beginning at 1 p.m. today in the ACAD auditorium for investigators, criminologists, police, prosecutors and students.

"He is the best-known face in forensic science in the world," said Charles Ochie, chairman of the school's criminal justice department and forensic science program.

Lee is credited, according to his Web site, with reviewing the John F. Kennedy assassination, war crimes in Bosnia and Croatia, the suicide of former White House attorney Vince Foster and 6,000 cases over the past 40 years.

Ochie said Lee is expected to speak about high profile cases he has worked on over the years.

Ochie and Derrick Gilmore, director of continuing education and an adjunct faculty member in the criminal justice department, said Lee's presence will bring the spotlight to the school's growing forensic science degree program.


Other scheduled speakers at the symposium include Rick Snow of the GBI, Special Agent Tom Brady of Naval Criminal Investigative Services and Greg Edwards, chief assistant district attorney for Dougherty County.


Thought this was an interesting person who may be able to help out with the case.

Read the reply to local on the Hawkinsville post, and you might get some idea why local people are reluctant to post on this board.

[Atok]

I also want to mention that whenever a local tries to post something, off the narrow theory they get grilled to the point of others trying to make them identify themselves.

This is very wrong.

People do not have to give out who their neighbor is, how far they live from the victim or a POI, what age they are, what car they drive... personal information that can be used for identifying a poster is uncalled for.

I also find it abhorrent that people try to pull off the veil of anonyminity by naming out who they think a poster is. This results in denial (narrowing the options of who it really is) or an invasion of privacy making them and anyone else UNWILLING to share info.

People need anonyminity to be able to speak. This board is useless without information from locals be it truth or deception.

It's invaluable, why squelch it??

[longcoolwoman]

My hat's off to you, Atok.

[concernedperson]

Regardless,I think people try to stay away from posts that disqualify or qualify. I also think that we are not alone in coming very close.I really think this is very close.

Wonder how Dr. Godwin came up with his time frame?
Interesting that the info about HD being at the house is just now being made public. There are a number of ponds and deeply wooded areas along Green Rd. and a lot of good people live in that part of Irwin County. Honest people that would have no part of a crime such as this. I do not know any of the principal parties discussed on these boards personally but I do have an interest in seeing this come to a conclusion for the sake of all involved. I fear there is only justice left for Tara. I pray I am wrong.

I researched HD on some websites tonight and I found an article that quoted him in the very beginning as saying they had been long time friends from school and that he had not seen her for several weeks. He didn't mention in the article while being interviewed that he had even been at Tara's house looking for her. I am just throwing that out there because now we learn so much about him but he never let on that he had even been there....IMO that is strange. Also, GBI was listed on one of the websites as being headquartered in Perry, which is where he works with LE as well. It may be absolutely nothing but it would be nice to know why all of a sudden it comes out that he was there at her house calling Miss Faye?????

Originally posted by Ocillian
"so-called locals (of any given city/case) give out wrong info. just to stir things up."

I will assure you that is not my intentions here.

I said of any given case/city - i did NOT say YOU !

Originally posted by Atok
I also want to mention that whenever a local tries to post something, off the narrow theory they get grilled to the point of others trying to make them identify themselves.

This is very wrong.

People do not have to give out who their neighbor is, how far they live from the victim or a POI, what age they are, what car they drive... personal information that can be used for identifying a poster is uncalled for.

I also find it abhorrent that people try to pull off the veil of anonyminity by naming out who they think a poster is. This results in denial (narrowing the options of who it really is) or an invasion of privacy making them and anyone else UNWILLING to share info.

People need anonyminity to be able to speak. This board is useless without information from locals be it truth or deception.

It's invaluable, why squelch it??

This board needs FACTS backed up with proof just like every board on CTV, imo.
Or, locals need to tell the whole story or nothing at all.
Locals should expect to be asked many questions - from where you get your hair done - to - how far are you from blah blah blah......

Lets turn the tables. Lets say I come on this board and say Im a local and have lived there for years, i'm married to a cop, Tara & I have been best friends since BIRTH and the last time I saw her was right before she vanished............. AND , she was being followed by a red head guy that I went to elem. school with, his daddy is a lawyer. He had something in his hand .......
BUT, """I cant give anymore details"""".

See how that works ? Its very hard when people dont post the whole story.

I've neem on these boards (and others) long enough to know how they work).....and this one isnt working.

Just My Opinion.

Originally posted by benhill29
I researched HD on some websites tonight and I found an article that quoted him in the very beginning as saying they had been long time friends from school and that he had not seen her for several weeks. He didn't mention in the article while being interviewed that he had even been at Tara's house looking for her. I am just throwing that out there because now we learn so much about him but he never let on that he had even been there....IMO that is strange. Also, GBI was listed on one of the websites as being headquartered in Perry, which is where he works with LE as well. It may be absolutely nothing but it would be nice to know why all of a sudden it comes out that he was there at her house calling Miss Faye?????

Can we get a link to this info please ? Links to articles dont contain CTV posters' "opinions".
tia

Originally posted by BorderCollieMom


Can we get a link to this info please ? Links to articles dont contain CTV posters' "opinions".
tia

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori..._no_clues.html

Thank YOU, Ben!!!

This HD guy's actions have irked me from the beginning and I wasn't aware he'd 'shut up' earlier and not mentioned this. There's a vibe there - and he has not been straight since the getgo. I feel it in my bones, Jones!

In fact, short of stretching into my puter frame, lol, so irked was I by this chap & after reading everyone's 'all night' post-sessions, I was compelled to register and call attention to MY views on HD.

His deviant nature starts with the affair itself. Then ... when I read how 'close' he was/is supposed to be to Tara's family members - why it bordered disgust. A lying cheat.

And an angry, rejected, dumped or possessive lying-cheat can be lethal. We've seen it a million times.

The above is all my own opinion, but having read Ben's further great sleuthin skills - well: my opinion is endorsed!

TY again, Ben...

Jel

Originally posted by benhill29
I researched HD on some websites tonight and I found an article that quoted him in the very beginning as saying they had been long time friends from school and that he had not seen her for several weeks. He didn't mention in the article while being interviewed that he had even been at Tara's house looking for her. I am just throwing that out there because now we learn so much about him but he never let on that he had even been there....IMO that is strange. Also, GBI was listed on one of the websites as being headquartered in Perry, which is where he works with LE as well. It may be absolutely nothing but it would be nice to know why all of a sudden it comes out that he was there at her house calling Miss Faye?????

Just for the record:

In my previous post, I wrote:

<<< And an angry, rejected, dumped or possessive lying-cheat can be lethal. We've seen it a million times. >>>

Just to clarify I am not calling HD this. Just my views regarding 'cheats'. And most trouble starts when the bounds of marriage are broken and one wants out. (In a snapshot, that is.)

[The R]

Ok...now I'm totally confused....here's a quote from the CL article link that Ben provided....

"A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher"

Does this say that she was dating ****s or am I wrong on this?? Is this the same guy that is reported to be married with kids in Perry?

Somebody help.......

By all accounts and according to reports, one and the same. He was having an affair with Tara.

I'm not real sure if this is the thread to put my question on but i will give it a try. i was hoping if someone could help me with the question of durning the cookout that Tara was seen outside sitting on the curb talking to a person, it seems that i read that info from somewhere if this is true and anyone else remembers reading this i would like to if this was rumor or true.thank you

[shelock]

A poster previously pointed out that "one friend" gave out this info. Did "one friend" work at the school and assume HD was more than a friend?
"In fact, in mid-October, one friend said, Grinstead had made efforts to reconnect with Harper, and when he resisted, she became so overwrought that she took a long drive and had to pull over and call for assistance to get home. The next day, uncharacteristically, she called in sick to school. A few days later, ****s, a policeman from nearby Perry and long-time friend of both Grinstead and her family, a confidant whom she had recently been dating turned up in Ocilla. She left school early. That too was unusual for the highly devoted and motivated eleventh-grade teacher."

Originally posted by Sassy

You go Girl

I don't know who did this, but I have a very strong feeling some Ocilla locals are going to be very surprised.

IMOOC

Tara's Angels, too?

Bwahahahaaaaaaa - Oh, God - forgive me but this is hysterical. Lord, is there paranoia out there or WHAT? On my first post on this forum I stated "I live far away from you all".

Read back: I said had NOT posted on a forum since the Peterson verdict - I opted to get a life. That's true.

And I also stated that I've experienced a similar personal loss and through that awful experience, I've followed mysteries, crimes and trial for years, now. I learnt the meaning of logic and it took half a lifetime to accept that meaning, believe in circumstances and communicate my thoughts. OK?

You sent me a great, warm, welcoming pm, Sassy, agreeing with some of my points and confirming ??? over HD. Was that pm a 'ploy' to warm up to me? Because, me darlin Sassy-girl, I don't even live in the USA!!!

When I fluffed up about the timeline, I was the first to post my errors and apologize.

At ALL times I have emphasized that my posts are MY PERSONAL OPINION & SPECULATIVE VIEWS.

Gosh, is there really a 'click' out there or WHAT? I didn't know there was some kind of 'entrance qualification' to post here. I believe in freedom of speech, too, y'know.

What a welcome - I had to roar laughing when Atok commented about the thick skin; and I saw what benhill went through before passing Muster Parade.

Let me end with this: I PERSONALLY HAPPEN TO BELIEVE HD IS SOMEHOW INVOLVED. OK? There. Roast it, fry it, grill it or freeze it - but those are my thoughts and my views and I'm sharing 'em with you all. (If the affair's a lie, then I go by the 'no smoke/no fire theory' until proven otherwise).

Wow, Sassy. I should have applied logic to your pm, the first sent to me ... and realize now you probably gathered up your internal 'folk' to flush out my 'motive'.

YOU are the offender, methinks, when it comes to honesty in co-posting and pm-ing.

Geeeeez.

Originally posted by Sassy
Jela72....just curious.....we have not seen you on the boards before......actually none of the past five boards concerning this issue...... why now, do you show up.....apparently you are part of the MH "Damage Control Squad" to shift the heat to HD...the other night "the Squad" attacked LG and when those rumors were shot down the focus is now HD.......nice tactic.....but we in the know do not buy it......JUST MY HONEST OPINION......

Originally posted by Designer
Tara's Angels, too?

Sure

Originally posted by 4ANGELS


Sure

Thanks! I'll be Jacqueline Smith!

Originally posted by jela72
Bwahahahaaaaaaa - Oh, God - forgive me but this is hysterical. Lord, is there paranoia out there or WHAT? On my first post on this forum I stated "I live far away from you all".

Read back: I said had NOT posted on a forum since the Peterson verdict - I opted to get a life. That's true.

And I also stated that I've experienced a similar personal loss and through that awful experience, I've followed mysteries, crimes and trial for years, now. I learnt the meaning of logic and it took half a lifetime to accept that meaning, believe in circumstances and communicate my thoughts. OK?

You sent me a great, warm, welcoming pm, Sassy, agreeing with some of my points and confirming ??? over HD. Was that pm a 'ploy' to warm up to me? Because, me darlin Sassy-girl, I don't even live in the USA!!!

When I fluffed up about the timeline, I was the first to post my errors and apologize.

At ALL times I have emphasized that my posts are MY PERSONAL OPINION & SPECULATIVE VIEWS.

Gosh, is there really a 'click' out there or WHAT? I didn't know there was some kind of 'entrance qualification' to post here. I believe in freedom of speech, too, y'know.

What a welcome - I had to roar laughing when Atok commented about the thick skin; and I saw what benhill went through before passing Muster Parade.

Let me end with this: I PERSONALLY HAPPEN TO BELIEVE HD IS SOMEHOW INVOLVED. OK? There. Roast it, fry it, grill it or freeze it - but those are my thoughts and my views and I'm sharing 'em with you all. (If the affair's a lie, then I go by the 'no smoke/no fire theory' until proven otherwise).

Wow, Sassy. I should have applied logic to your pm, the first sent to me ... and realize now you probably gathered up your internal 'folk' to flush out my 'motive'.

YOU are the offender, methinks, when it comes to honesty in co-posting and pm-ing.

Geeeeez.

:lol: Sassy is not the offender.

Originally posted by Designer


Thanks! I'll be Jacqueline Smith!

Great who should I be lol. People dont take offense please we all need a little bit of laughing during this difficult time.

General... You're a decent person, Sir. (Or sirette - the gender does not worry me - but your grace, neutral stance and integrity warms me.)

...Damage control! Pah! As IF I'd ever place such meagre value on myself....

Originally posted by GeneralLee
Which damage control squad are you on?

I thing we all have a right to be on whichever side of the fence we so choose.

Some of us are objective and open about looking at everyone.
Some are friends of POI's and are naturally doing what they feel to help their friend.
Some are family of POI's and are naturally doing what they feel will help their family member, and so on.

It's fine to be on one "team" or another here, but why be so rude to the ones who are here for whatever their personal reason is?
I don't think it's nice to accuse anyone of being on a "squad" unless you are ready to admit which one you are on yourself and why. (No need to post your answer, really. Just making a point.)

Nothing personal, just an observation.

Originally posted by Sassy
Opinions change quickly.....don't they.....!!!

They sure do Sassy.

Originally posted by benhill29

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori..._no_clues.html

Thank you Benhill29 !!!!

4Angels, irrespective of whomsoever the 'offender' might be, I replied to the following post where Sassy claimed to be among those 'in the (ehem) know' and stated I was 'apparently' part of some Damage Control Squad to shift focus of MH.

Lawd. Maybe MH committed this crime - does anyone *know* he did? Sometimes and most often, it looks that way - that's true.

However, I happen to find HD's manoevres over the weekend in question seemingly suspicious - and believed I joined a forum where all angles are fleshed out. The man called Tara 20 times and was right outside Tara's house after midnight, Sunday (and before she was even determined missing) having traveled there from Perry. At that stage he was the only person who, through phone records, was placed directly at the scene.

But he doesn't call the authorities once during all of this? Why? If he was as 'serious' as he was when he went to the school and got Tara out of class, then why the hell didn't he adopt the same attitude and get her out of her house?

No. But, he's such a close friend yet decides to drive home instead of breaking down the front door of his dear, close friends' daughter's home? In light of earlier and previous 'real dangers' that was allegedly made know to him - and that he was apparently known to be privvy to?

A few articles stated their affair, as did posters 'in the know' on this very board. If indeed an affair was going on, and that's all he's hiding - then the man's in the wrong profession, IMO. Because when a life is at stake - the plugs come out on everything!

It's the price paid for illicit dalliance - if such escapades were going on.

Originally posted by Sassy
Jela72....just curious.....we have not seen you on the boards before......actually none of the past five boards concerning this issue...... why now, do you show up.....apparently you are part of the MH "Damage Control Squad" to shift the heat to HD...the other night "the Squad" attacked LG and when those rumors were shot down the focus is now HD.......nice tactic.....but we in the know do not buy it......JUST MY HONEST OPINION......