The Men in this Case: Discusssion

[Researcher]

Took some notes which I'll post. He claims Tara told him 10/14 @ 9am that if she ever found out he was seriously dating anyone else she'd commit suicide. He has also hired his own polygraph expert. My 1st impression of him (subject to change): something about his intonation of his voice, wording, his body language...something I have a hard time reading. Will look forward to getting transcript.

[Babes]

His atty said that he was up till 5;30 am and he came from a bar with friends.

[Babes]

There are other clothes on top of the clothes she wore at the pageant

[Researcher]

Notes from Greta...My fingers were going as fast as I could...since I can't walk and chew gum at the same time, I may have missed or misheard a few things while I was typing and listening at same time...apologies in advance.

Fox
1.) Anita Gattis + sheriff (3rd term)
30-40 anonymous tips/day to private line
Latex glove seized w/in a few hours of reported missing
It looked fresh, LE checking for fingerprints, DNA
Luminol sprayed in house-no evidence blood
Can’t say if lamp has any significance
TG lived w/ father while student teaching
Low crime area
1 incident only re TG-that was re student

2.) Marcus Harper
Summer 1998, met at friends house
5.5 yrs, a commitment, honest w/ her re not wanting to get married bc of his career
Never lived together; was a “Dating relationship”
10/2004-she said it was time for her to move on bc looking for marriage
He was upset at 1st, felt rejected, moved on
Remained friends, saw each other whenever back in town
She asked several times re rekindling relationship, but now he rejected her
Last saw her 10/14 am @ 9am
She woke him by knocking on his windows; she apparently had done this before
He lives about 6 miles away, she was cryng, upset re something
She was very irrational, said that if she found out if he was dating someone else
Came by same afternoon, wanted to hug him “one last time”
She wrote him 1-2 emails, he gave to police
Talked w/ GBI 4-5 times
He hired his own polygraph expert

3) Harper’s Atty
MH said sister was making an accusation which is why he called atty
Said sis said, “What did you do to my sister?”
Police searched truck
Sprayed luminol in truck
The only thing is that initial request for polygraph detained bc atty was in court so atty hired polygraph expert who administered and read test
10/22 11 am to Mon am MH can account “for every minute”
In company of someone from Dept of Natural resources, another Police officer
Odd, but Sun was w/ Dept Nat Res (missed this part_
10/22 w/ step sis and her bf til 1am at bar in Fitzgerald-to listen to a band; MH doesn’t drink
Called to find friend -out w/ him, back @ 5:30am (I think he’s referring to another police officer here)
10-10:30am came back in town Sun (? To father’s house)

4) Anita
Neighbors called police re student
1 of best friends came to house 1st-looked same as always
Clothes she was wearing to beauty pageant were UNDER other clothes
Lamp, knocked over on table, broken but crystals not broken so assumes it may not have fallen to floor
Clock 6 hrs off-
Car unlocked-always locked her car
She is 5’3”-seat farther back than for person her size
Passenger seat very far back
She didn’t bring anyone w/ her in car
Dolly Madison-got for birthday last yr
Dog barked 7am to 9am constantly next morning

5) Troy Davis (former superintendent)
Known her 8 yrs
Dinner at his home, ate w/ them on regular basis
8 people
She got there btwn 8 and 8:30pm
Jeans, beige shirt
Left @ 11pm
Would have been home 11:02
Drove her own car
Neighbors across the street, 3 blocks away + his children
Mentioned she visited MH a few wks prior, readu to move on
Only problem he’d ever heard of was re problem w/ student
Not likely to open door to stranger

I didn't get a good read of Marcus because of the weird angle of the camera. Why did they video the interview from the sides of his and Greta's faces?

[Researcher]

Originally posted by Former Juror
I didn't get a good read of Marcus because of the weird angle of the camera. Why did they video the interview from the sides of his and Greta's faces?

It was a weird angle, wasn't it? Could see Greta better. What did you make of it all?

Gosh, I don't know. This one has me stumped. I know a few people around Ocilla and would like to make a call or two and get some opinions.

Odds are that he had something to do with it. But, he seemed honest, and it appeared that he is cooperating. I am impressed that he did an interview. Most men in his situation would not subject themselves to that. And, I thought his attorney was very forthcoming.

The part that had me skeptical of him was the Friday morning episode he described of her knocking on his window and acting erratic and threatening herself. That seems inconsistent with everything else I've heard reported about her, and it seems like he is trying to put suicide in our thoughts, if and when she is found.

What do you think?

[Researcher]

Originally posted by Former Juror
Gosh, I don't know. This one has me stumped. I know a few people around Ocilla and would like to make a call or two and get some opinions.

Odds are that he had something to do with it. But, he seemed honest, and it appeared that he is cooperating. I am impressed that he did an interview. Most men in his situation would not subject themselves to that. And, I thought his attorney was very forthcoming.

The part that had me skeptical of him was the Friday morning episode he described of her knocking on his window and acting erratic and threatening herself. That seems inconsistent with everything else I've heard reported about her, and it seems like he is trying to put suicide in our thoughts, if and when she is found.

What do you think?

I totally agree with you re his reporting about her knocking on his window, that she had done that before (I think he said it was "not unusual" or something like that), and then threatening suicide. She seems like such a positive person with lots of faith. What flashed through my mind was that he pulled the story out of his hat based on the story about the student coming to bang on her front door...trying to make her seem unstable in a way similar to that student. I also thought it was interesting that he had alibis up the whazoo. And I didn't realize you could go out and select whatever polygraph expert you chose rather than using the one that LE assigns; but I don't know how that works...maybe that's normal.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Researcher
Notes from Greta...My fingers were going as fast as I could...since I can't walk and chew gum at the same time, I may have missed or misheard a few things while I was typing and listening at same time...apologies in advance.

Fox
1.) Anita Gattis + sheriff (3rd term)
30-40 anonymous tips/day to private line
Latex glove seized w/in a few hours of reported missing
It looked fresh, LE checking for fingerprints, DNA
Luminol sprayed in house-no evidence blood
Can’t say if lamp has any significance
TG lived w/ father while student teaching
Low crime area
1 incident only re TG-that was re student

2.) Marcus Harper
Summer 1998, met at friends house
5.5 yrs, a commitment, honest w/ her re not wanting to get married bc of his career
Never lived together; was a “Dating relationship”
10/2004-she said it was time for her to move on bc looking for marriage
He was upset at 1st, felt rejected, moved on
Remained friends, saw each other whenever back in town
She asked several times re rekindling relationship, but now he rejected her
Last saw her 10/14 am @ 9am
She woke him by knocking on his windows; she apparently had done this before
He lives about 6 miles away, she was cryng, upset re something
She was very irrational, said that if she found out if he was dating someone else
Came by same afternoon, wanted to hug him “one last time”
She wrote him 1-2 emails, he gave to police
Talked w/ GBI 4-5 times
He hired his own polygraph expert

3) Harper’s Atty
MH said sister was making an accusation which is why he called atty
Said sis said, “What did you do to my sister?”
Police searched truck
Sprayed luminol in truck
The only thing is that initial request for polygraph detained bc atty was in court so atty hired polygraph expert who administered and read test
10/22 11 am to Mon am MH can account “for every minute”
In company of someone from Dept of Natural resources, another Police officer
Odd, but Sun was w/ Dept Nat Res (missed this part_
10/22 w/ step sis and her bf til 1am at bar in Fitzgerald-to listen to a band; MH doesn’t drink
Called to find friend -out w/ him, back @ 5:30am (I think he’s referring to another police officer here)
10-10:30am came back in town Sun (? To father’s house)

4) Anita
Neighbors called police re student
1 of best friends came to house 1st-looked same as always
Clothes she was wearing to beauty pageant were UNDER other clothes
Lamp, knocked over on table, broken but crystals not broken so assumes it may not have fallen to floor
Clock 6 hrs off-
Car unlocked-always locked her car
She is 5’3”-seat farther back than for person her size
Passenger seat very far back
She didn’t bring anyone w/ her in car
Dolly Madison-got for birthday last yr
Dog barked 7am to 9am constantly next morning

5) Troy Davis (former superintendent)
Known her 8 yrs
Dinner at his home, ate w/ them on regular basis
8 people
She got there btwn 8 and 8:30pm
Jeans, beige shirt
Left @ 11pm
Would have been home 11:02
Drove her own car
Neighbors across the street, 3 blocks away + his children
Mentioned she visited MH a few wks prior, readu to move on
Only problem he’d ever heard of was re problem w/ student
Not likely to open door to stranger

Thanks for this summary. So from 5:30-10:00am no one knows his location other than he was sleeping.

And that's odd that it was between those times that her dog was barking non-stop.

[Researcher]

Originally posted by yummers59
And that's odd that it was between those times that her dog was barking non-stop.

Yummers, Great observation! Hadn't connected those things before. Very interesting.

[Babes]

Originally posted by Former Juror
I didn't get a good read of Marcus because of the weird angle of the camera. Why did they video the interview from the sides of his and Greta's faces?

Looks like he doesnt want to face the camera ... so they cant see his emotions ( like dianne's sawyer's interview to scott and every bit of facial expressions of scott was scrutinized) ....or he doesnt want to be recognize by anyone?

[fsbiii]

From a legal standpoint, you have your client take a private polygraph so you know if he or she will pass or fail it without the public knowing it. If they fail, no one knows; if they pass, it's broadcast on the news. I bet Harper wouldn't take a police polygraph, still, even if his lawyer is out of court now....

You're right on the 5:30 am - 10:00 am time frame. I don't think "sleeping at home" is gonna cut it for an alibi once more of this is fleshed out.

The camera angle, the rehearsed answers, the private poly, the lawyer doing all the time frame talking instead of Harper... a lot of things add up to be disturbing about this interview.

Originally posted by Researcher


I totally agree with you re his reporting about her knocking on his window, that she had done that before (I think he said it was "not unusual" or something like that), and then threatening suicide. She seems like such a positive person with lots of faith. What flashed through my mind was that he pulled the story out of his hat based on the story about the student coming to bang on her front door...trying to make her seem unstable in a way similar to that student. I also thought it was interesting that he had alibis up the whazoo. And I didn't realize you could go out and select whatever polygraph expert you chose rather than using the one that LE assigns; but I don't know how that works...maybe that's normal.

Hi Researcher. Yes, it is common for people to find their own polygrapher via a lawyer. It's accepted because in truth. He didn't have to take a poly at all. Poly's are optional.

I am sure that Marcus was filmed from a weird angle to protect his job, image, reputation, etc.
what more can he do to clear himself?

About people thinking the statements are out of character with everything that has been said about Tara. Even the sweetest, prettiest, and most positive people fall in love and when people get hurt in love many times they say things that they don't mean and do things (like knock on a window) trying to win someone back.

Researcher-you are a gem, thank you for the summary. I missed the interview. Yummers-great point about the dog barking. I am VERY suspicious of Harper, exspecially the suicide accusations & TG car's drivers seat placement. There are so many possibilities to what "could have happened"..................I am hoping for the best but reality sets in and it'll probly be the worst.

Crazyhorse, I am just curious, why you are suspicous of Harper...................because he dated her?

That is because he HAD NO MOTIVE! Marcus like I have said before has told many of his friends before that he cares deeply for Tara, but he has never wanted the married life, she did, end of story. Tara loved/s him very much and has always hoped that she could change that...........what normal girl wouldn't/ There is nothing weird or suspicous about that. It is the truth and has been voiced even before all of this happend, it is not a new discovery that Marcus does not want a girlfriend/ wife/ commitment with anyone right now he is very focused on his carreer.

I understand the the purpose of this fourm is not to defend Marucs, however this section is simply about the interview and the way I see it, is that he has done all that has been asked of him, and I am positive he will continue.
I believe that we are wasting our efforts, if this is a brainstorming forum, continuously only offering up possible solutions that involve someone with an alibi and poligraph already accounted by through authorities.

Originally posted by joanne
I understand the the purpose of this fourm is not to defend Marucs, however this section is simply about the interview and the way I see it, is that he has done all that has been asked of him, and I am positive he will continue.
I believe that we are wasting our efforts, if this is a brainstorming forum, continuously only offering up possible solutions that involve someone with an alibi and poligraph already accounted by through authorities.

This is a public forum and anyone can express any opinion that they might have. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen as my mama always said...

All we are doing is going over any angle and tossing around to see if we can come up with any way to find Tara...That is our only concern...


I understand that Marcus is your friend and you want to protect him...But, he is subject to speculation in my opinion...

Joanne: its just a feeling I get from Harpers alibi/comments. By all means......I am NOT saying he IS the only one I am suspicious about. However, he seems to be very intelligent and familiar with crime scene procedure. In my mind, he is more suspicious than the love-struck-obsessed student. Also, I havent ruled out the guy who TG is currently dating-nothing much said about him. Also, I would like more info on the dinner party TG attended, who was there and TG's relationships with them. Then, there is the TOTAL STRANGER factor, look at the Groene's case, a total idiot maniac was to blame, not some "drug debt collected" as speculated by some in the town. SO JOANNE-that is MY reasoning, I am NOT convicting Harper, just speculating on the facts present and listening to my instincts. p.s. a polygraph can be passed by a guilty person

Well, I'm usually inclined to look at the boyfriend/husband in cases like this...but after hearing the interview with Marcus, I just don't think he is involved. His story seems very believable to me. Most people are home asleep at 5:30 am in the morning. I sure couldn't have an alibi for myself at 5:30 every morning. There's no history of violent between them.

Let's look at this from viewing Tara's life as we know it. She is 30 years old, not married yet, feeling the biological clock ticking (especially for a southern girl). She's pretty, talented, all that stuff, but can't get seem to get into a "marrying" kind of relationship. IMO, this beauty queen stuff is a little exaggerated, she won one local beauty contest and tried for Miss Georgia. Not saying that's a small accomplishment but seems a little out of proportion here. Please believe me, I'm not trying to bash her but we need to examine her life as it is. Maybe she did go knocking on this guy's window at all hours...who knows? She might be a little nutty over this guy, who knows? Maybe she did threaten suicide. We've all been fooled before in some of these cases. Some people can lead squeaky clean lives and still be nutty.

About the lamp she leaves on every night for the neighbors to check on her...that seems really odd to me. You mean to tell me she never stayed overnight with anybody she dated...she came home every single night of her life? She's always tucked in at a reasonable hour? This was the only night the neighbors noticed her light not being on? I don't believe that.

Question...why were the clothes that she was wearing that night still in her bedroom buried under some other clothes? I would think LE would have taken those clothes to look for some evidence...hairs, fiber, blood, etc. but they are just sitting there..everybody's handled them by now. Not very impressed with LE in this case so far.

Belive me. I'm not bashed the "victim" here but I think we need to be open to looking at all angles, whatever they might be, wherever they might lead. I think this is not going to come to a good conclusion.

I just do not buy into the suicide theory...If that was the case...she would have been found by now.....People just don't commit suicide and hide...

I can't get past TH saying that Tara was talking suicide...sounds like he is setting us up for something...MOO

MURDERSHEWROTE: that was a good post. It certainly has taken my mind down another avenue (one I think I have been avoiding and needed a push, thnx!) I do not think you are victim bashing, certainly stated some very good points. Just because one is beautiful doesnt mean they 'fall' into thier perfect and desired relationships. Who REALLY knows what goes on inside another person's mind....some people really do appear stable and to "have it all" but in reality, thier lives are a complete farce. I truly hate the fact that something bad has happened to TG whether it be by her own accord or by someone else. But I think foul play is involved, just my opinion from the facts that are known.

Originally posted by crazyhorse
MURDERSHEWROTE: that was a good post. It certainly has taken my mind down another avenue (one I think I have been avoiding and needed a push, thnx!) I do not think you are victim bashing, certainly stated some very good points. Just because one is beautiful doesnt mean they 'fall' into thier perfect and desired relationships. Who REALLY knows what goes on inside another person's mind....some people really do appear stable and to "have it all" but in reality, thier lives are a complete farce. I truly hate the fact that something bad has happened to TG whether it be by her own accord or by someone else. But I think foul play is involved, just my opinion from the facts that are known.

We all seem to forget that TG was dating someone new and by all accounts was "moving on"...

More of her friends would be aware if she was contemplating suicide...

I don't believe she committed suicide but I am open to the idea that she said that to Marcus, for whatever reason (scare him, attention, etc.) As far as her friends knowing that she might be suicidal, statistics show that most people don't know their loved ones are in that frame of mind. It usually comes as quite a shock.

If she was dating someone and had moved on...why didn't she see him that weekend. Neither Friday or Saturday night, from all accounts. I'm a little thin with the "moved on" part. If it's true that she got very upset about Marcus dating someone else, then she hadn't moved on. Honestly, it should have been none of her business. He didn't seem upset at all that she was seeing someone else. The emotions seem to be on her side. I just don't see that he had any motive at all.

This is a tough one because nobody seems to really have any motive enough to murder her

I'd be looking further into the kid who tried to break down the door...he seems a more likely candidate to me. But somebody who is immature enough to be beating on her door...would he be smart enough to pull this off?

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by crazyhorse
MURDERSHEWROTE: that was a good post. It certainly has taken my mind down another avenue (one I think I have been avoiding and needed a push, thnx!) I do not think you are victim bashing, certainly stated some very good points. Just because one is beautiful doesnt mean they 'fall' into thier perfect and desired relationships. Who REALLY knows what goes on inside another person's mind....some people really do appear stable and to "have it all" but in reality, thier lives are a complete farce. I truly hate the fact that something bad has happened to TG whether it be by her own accord or by someone else. But I think foul play is involved, just my opinion from the facts that are known.

You can sign me up for the "foul play" scenario too. I have ruled out suicide because those people who chose to end it all do not go out of their way to hide the act. While I fully agree that you can never be sure how stable a person is by looking at them (Jennifer Wilbanks was perceived as stable before she bolted) you can use some logic to establish probabilities.

I think the this case has some premeditation strictly from the lack of evidence. Just as LE gets better at solving crimes with science .... perps are getting more knowledgeable about covering their tracks too. The latex glove is something that tells me this is not "heat of the moment" stuff. Who wears latex gloves during the commission of a crime? A person who has planned out a crime and who has knowledge of transfer evidence. The clinical nature of her nightly ritual would have been easy to figure out. She was apparently very patterened and that, in itself, can make her an easy target.

Stranger or known assailant? At this point I am not sure what to think. Logically you would think without a forced entry or sign of struggle, this would mean a known person was there. Also, the type of town indicates it was more likely to involve someone from the area rather than a complete outsider since the town is rather isolated from any major city or highway system.

Judging from the dog, I would not expect to hear a fight occurred inside her dwelling. The dog would have likely bit the perp.

I'm leaning towards two scenarios:

1. she knew her assailant (left willingly)
2. her assailant had a gun, which makes leaving quietly a possibility.

I'm struggling with motive, which really works against the known assailant angle. So far it just doesn't appear anyone had a real good reason to seriously harm her.

I think someone did harm TG. I do not think TG purposefully harmed herself in any way. But murdershewrote just got me thinking in a different direction. There might be some things in TG's life that people close to her know nothing about. It might take better investigating on LE's part to find these things out. This is just my speculation..........but it is not that hard to live a double life or keep a troubled life secret for a very short time, its just that the longer the 'act' goes on, the harder it is to hide.

Truthfully, I do not think this is the case with TG. I think she is exactly what she appears to be and she is hiding nothing. I might be wrong, I hope not.


I honestly think that someone is responsible for TG's disappearence. I wish LE would solve this soon. Her poor family!

Well, Mr Marcus troubles me
that 'Tara knocking on his door & if she finds out he is dating someone else, she'll commit suicide'. Seems like ol' Marcus just threw *that* in pretty up front in the GVS interview. From past observation, the perp always can paint it anyway he likes.. as the missing person is never going to show up to tell it different!
Plus he looks unhappy, cold, in all the pictures with her . A lot of control (with his back to the camera) was my impression last night...as we heard how his life is all planned out right down to a nat's fanny.

Never said he hopes she is alright either. I could be wrong.
Bad feeling. JMO

Originally posted by starling
Well, Mr Marcus troubles me
that 'Tara knocking on his door & if she finds out he is dating someone else, she'll commit suicide'. Seems like ol' Marcus just threw *that* in pretty up front in the GVS interview. From past observation, the perp always can paint it anyway he likes.. as the missing person is never going to show up to tell it different!
Plus he looks unhappy, cold, in all the pictures with her . A lot of control (with his back to the camera) was my impression last night...as we heard how his life is all planned out right down to a nat's fanny.

Never said he hopes she is alright either. I could be wrong.
Bad feeling. JMO

Just for the record......
Marcus has personally told many of his friends this before, it is nothing new, it is just newly on TV. And those of us close to the situation or the people know and have known for a good deal of time that Marcus has had a difficult time let her go gently as to not upset Tara.
Marcus's control as you put it is to protect himself from people like you who don't know either one of them or the situation that has been taking place the past year. He is not stupid and he realizes that this is a bad situation, he needs to protect himself, his job, his fam, all the while still trying to help in the investigation. He does truley pray that she is okay somewhere and all of this has an explaination that we have not yet found. Just because he composed himself does not mean that this has not completely knocked him over.

Originally posted by joanne

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Marcus's control as you put it is to protect himself from people like you who don't know either one of them or the situation that has been taking place the past year.

welcome to the CTV boards
I am not directing my thoughts or my opinions to YOU
..so knock off the "people like you" please or put me on ignore

thanks
~S

[Babes]

Originally posted by starling


welcome to the CTV boards
I am not directing my thoughts or my opinions to YOU
..so knock off the "people like you" please or put me on ignore

thanks
~S

[Researcher]

Originally posted by kvickers
Two things:

One, will everyone please get it straight that Anthony was not trying to break down the door? He was knocking--call it beating if you want--but he was not trying to break in.

Secondly, Marcus didn't make any revelations last night. Everything he said has been said before, just not on national TV. So, no, he didn't just make that up.

Hi, kvickers. Although Anthony may not have been "trying to break down the door", there was something he was doing that seems to have alarmed Tara enough that police were reportedly called and he was arrested...even though a restraining order wasn't placed. So it was something more than "just knocking"...yes?

"welcome to the CTV boards
I am not directing my thoughts or my opinions to YOU
..so knock off the "people like you" please or put me on ignore

thanks
~S "

Originally posted by kvickers
I'm sure there was. However, there is a LOT of information about that incident that has not been made public. I have a feeling it's only a matter of time before more information comes out, but for now, suffice it to say that no one on this board or any other board knows the whole story behind this it.

A judge doesn't just willy/nilly sign off on a restraining order. Nancy Grace reported last night that Tara had one on Anthony.

Why don't you quit playing games and if there is more to the story that will make Anthony look a little better here, or even better, HELP ELIMINATE him in what could have happened to Tara, we would be really appreciative in hearing that.

KVICKERS-we are just amatuer slueths going over what (usually very little) little evidence we know, so if you can contribute, please kindly contribute, but dont bash people for thier opinion and thier speculation. Thank YOU!

[dalma3604]

Originally posted by kvickers
How exactly am I bashing? I am clearing up misinformation. What's the point of discussing and/or speculating on information that is incorrect?

Or isn't anyone here concerned with the truth?

Yes, we all want to know the truth, IMO. That's why I come here and read every day.

Don't let the speculation get to you. I've heard the Horowitz board is terrible about bashing the victim, suspect and other posters.

You may want to use the ignore feature in the future.

After reading and re-reading the past posts we need to clarify that correcting misinformation does not equal "bashing". Think of it as constructive criticism and move on with the new correct information.
By the way on Talk tara.com someone said that Tara called the cops, but the neighbors called first, but the report had said that he was knocking loudly and calling her name. -Don't know if that helps or not, because I can't say if it is fact or not. Someone who knew both parties had posted the information.

[longcoolwoman]

Thanks, Joanne. It's me, kvickers. I had to re-register because my other username was banned yesterday. No explanation, no warning, just banned and my last post removed.

For those of you who think there is free speech in this country, think again. There is no free speech on CourtTV.

It's 4:58 p.m. EST where I am. Let's see how long this post stays up.

FYI, it's my understanding the neighbors called the police.

Originally posted by joanne
After reading and re-reading the past posts we need to clarify that correcting misinformation does not equal "bashing". Think of it as constructive criticism and move on with the new correct information.
By the way on Talk tara.com someone said that Tara called the cops, but the neighbors called first, but the report had said that he was knocking loudly and calling her name. -Don't know if that helps or not, because I can't say if it is fact or not. Someone who knew both parties had posted the information.

Hi, I am amazed at the lack of coverage on Tara. She is an asset to our community as a school teacher and it saddens me to see her get overlooked.

I have written several letters to Fox along with my colleagues asking for better coverage.

Let's hope tonight is the beginning of some more pressure from the media.

It really angers me to see her simply dismissed by the media right now. Thanks to Marylin for keeping things going when she can and as always for all organizations who are helping to get the word out.