Fawley's Jail Letters to Hildy, Forwarded to Maria Serraes, Given to Defense Atty

[Researcher]

[list=1][*]Do we know why Fawley sent ~46 letters from jail to Hildy?[*]Why did Hildy send the letters to Maria Serraes?[*]Who is Maria Serraes?[*]What is Serraes's relationship to Hildy?[*]What is Serraes's relationship to Fawley (if any)? [*]Why did Serraes then send Fawley's letters to Fawley's defense attorney, William E. Johnson?[/list=1]
Court Will Weigh Fawley's Letters
Fawley's Letters from Jail Ruled Not Privileged

[singlesix]

1. Why?

a) obsessive
b) compulisve
c) not getting enough love and attention
d) a plot
e) I honestly can't imagine
f) everyone else he wrote marked theirs return to sender

3. Who?

Google shows a person by that name on the office staff at a mortgage company.

I can't continue researching or even thinking about this, I'm sorry. I start laughing everytime I think about that many letters going through that many hands.

I wonder what his lawyers think. Do you figure they encouraged him to write that many?

singlesix

[Researcher]

Originally posted by singlesix
1. Why?
a) obsessive
b) compulisve
c) not getting enough love and attention
d) a plot
e) I honestly can't imagine
f) everyone else he wrote marked theirs return to sender

3. Who?
Google shows a person by that name on the office staff at a mortgage company.

I can't continue researching or even thinking about this, I'm sorry. I start laughing everytime I think about that many letters going through that many hands.

I wonder what his lawyers think. Do you figure they encouraged him to write that many?

singlesix

Hi, singlesix. Oh, dear, you're right! There is a Maria Serraes at a mortgage company in Richmond. I guess there's no way of knowing right now if that is the "3rd party" referred to in this case. If this is her, don'cha just bet she's pleased as punch to have her name associated with this case? I wonder what would make Hildy decide to send the letters to MS rather than turn them over to, e.g., her own attorney (I'm not caught up on the case, just assuming she has one) or to the police, etc.

I suppose I can see all the rationale's you gave about why he wrote all those letters...except for your "d. a plot".

Anyway, will be interesting to find out who this MS is.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Hey guys -

I have some additional questions to float -- it was mentioned in one of the articles, I think, that Maria was also a friend of Skulz?

I am STILL obsessing about that car --

and so...

wondering

WHERE did Maria live? Did Ben frequently visit her home? Is there a place around her residence to hide a car?

Also Singlesix - very struck by your comments (had to laugh about (f)!

Why 46 - so many to same girl???

Wonder how the sequence went - one every X days like clockwork.. or a few here and a few there...

And I still want to know if there were ONLY 46-- does the jail keep a record of outgoing mail? ow exactly does that work? Anyone know??

Could he give them to a visitor who posted them? Are you allowed to pass a letter to someone? Are you allowed to get letters when someone is visiting. Are any letters received by a person awaiting trial considered discovery?

Exactly what was the chain of custody of these letters? A bundle that Hildy kept, found out through ??? police were looking for them, and so she passes them to Maria who also learns through ???? that police are looking for them and so she passes them to the Defense attorney... and which one... the one in Richmond - Collins or the Mathews County Defender? And what was the exact timeline for it all???


And finally - was she the only one he was writing? Or were/are there others who could have received letters that could have information about this case?

Just thinking....

Originally posted by Researcher
[list=1][*]Do we know why Fawley sent ~46 letters from jail to Hildy?[*]Why did Hildy send the letters to Maria Serraes?[*]Who is Maria Serraes?[*]What is Serraes's relationship to Hildy?[*]What is Serraes's relationship to Fawley (if any)? [*]Why did Serraes then send Fawley's letters to Fawley's defense attorney, William E. Johnson?[/list=1]
Court Will Weigh Fawley's Letters
Fawley's Letters from Jail Ruled Not Privileged

All IMO:
1. What else does he have to do there?
2. Maybe she wanted to be rid of them or Serraes asked for them (perhaps she's older) and thought to send them to the attorneys.
3, 4, & 5. Not sure on this one - we don't know anything about her at all - ie: age, life, employment, etc. Poor thing that her name has been thrown into the mix.
6. I know I've read somewhere (sorry - I don't have the link, but it's been in the news articles) that one of the letters repeats details he'd told the police and the rest were just letters about feelings, life, etc. and not necessarily relevant to the case, so I guess it doesn't matter who they should go to - but perhaps they thought the defense attorneys because of those reasons and maybe they didn't know who else to give them to. I don't know that I'd know what to do if I ever found myself in the same circumstances.

ahhh, to have a look see at those letters. Could be a ruse. Is bf stupid enough to send letters with the truth? Has he ever really told the truth in writing or otherwise? He's a jackass. Plain and simple. Too bad he was not caught for being a simple jackass before he took advantage of Taylor and took her life. What an idiot.

[protectkidz]

A ruse!!!!!!!!!! Do you really think that the court is going to convene so that the pros. and def. can discuss something that is a ruse? LOL - who do you thing they are trying to fool? You??? Oh wait, this is another one of BF's intricate mind games...

LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

Well, in your mind if you think that the court, pros and def would go to the trouble of creating a "ruse" so that you, a bystander that will not be on the jury but merely are someone that reads CTV would maybe consider something that is, of course, a "ruse"... well, hmmmmmmm.

Okey dokey, artichokie....

[Researcher]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone Hey guys -

I have some additional questions to float -- it was mentioned in one of the articles, I think, that Maria was also a friend of Skulz?

I am STILL obsessing about that car --
and so...wondering

WHERE did Maria live? Did Ben frequently visit her home? Is there a place around her residence to hide a car?

Also Singlesix - very struck by your comments (had to laugh about (f)!

Why 46 - so many to same girl???

Wonder how the sequence went - one every X days like clockwork.. or a few here and a few there...

And I still want to know if there were ONLY 46-- does the jail keep a record of outgoing mail? ow exactly does that work? Anyone know??

Could he give them to a visitor who posted them? Are you allowed to pass a letter to someone? Are you allowed to get letters when someone is visiting. Are any letters received by a person awaiting trial considered discovery?

Exactly what was the chain of custody of these letters? A bundle that Hildy kept, found out through ??? police were looking for them, and so she passes them to Maria who also learns through ???? that police are looking for them and so she passes them to the Defense attorney... and which one... the one in Richmond - Collins or the Mathews County Defender? And what was the exact timeline for it all???

And finally - was she the only one he was writing? Or were/are there others who could have received letters that could have information about this case?

Just thinking....

Morning, Matthew.
1.) Do you happen to have a link re MS being friends with Fawley?

2) And what car are you wondering about?

Articles indicated:
Letters are basically "friendship letters...love letters" re "semi-romantic relationship" between BF & Hildy. Their relationship was ~8/05-9/05.

Hildy received the letters in 11/05-12/05.

Hildy then sent letters to MS.

"At about the same time, Richmond investigators found out about the letters and began to seek them out."

"Anticipating that police would get a search warrant for his office and seize the letters, Johnson sent them under seal to the court to be examined by Shaw."

William Johnson, the Matthews Couty court-appointed defense atty "...has practiced law in Mathews for 15 years...serves on the county School Board, is a graduate of the T.C. Williams School of Law at the University of Richmond."

Noted Richmond Defense Atty Christopher J. Collins "has handled nearly 300 homicide cases during his 33-year career....(and) has represented (BF) since his (9/05) arrest on charges of possessing child pornography..."
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet...=1137833630512

[jace]

Researcher, in the link you provided it didn't say anything about the letter that Ben wrote to Katie. I had never heard they were love letters. Do you have a link that states that? Did I miss something?

[Researcher]

Originally posted by jace
Researcher, in the link you provided it didn't say anything about the letter that Ben wrote to Katie. I had never heard they were love letters. Do you have a link that states that? Did I miss something?

There are 2 links in the 1st post.

I believe I read somewhere that there is a woman named Maria Serraes who is in real estate.

Inasmuch as BF's landlord died, can MS be the person who is now in control of the building BF once occupied a residence in?

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Rowan
I'm just confused. It seemed rather straightforward to me. He wrote letters, most of which (according to "news" sources .. blah blah blah) are 99% personal rumination, 1% about the night Taylor died, and which basically support his previously released statements.

BFD. Nothing new here. UNLESS they can substantiate his claims that both he and Taylor were drinking that evening, which may lend SOME credence to his defense.

Otherwise, this is no big deal. More of Fawley's ramblings. Who cares who the people were that turned them over? They were in receipt of letters from him, nothing more. The evidence IS the letters, and those will be scrutinized by both sides now.

Personally? If they are what has been conveyed? Point to the defense.

ROWAN - are you saying that for Ben to put something to paper is substantiation/support? Why?

It is still just Ben. Only his perspective. There is no collaboration from a third party merely because he wrote to a third party? Right?

And as far as offering SOME credence to his defense - how??? I would think that the timeline of making some claims might work against him couldn't they?

He did confess right? And now he is saying it was an accident. We don't know exactly, verbatim what he confessed do we? What if the Defense planned to say , and haven't we all grown very used to this tactic by Defense Attorneys, WELL YOU SEE WHEN MY CLIENT CONFESSED, he was tired/sick/in shock/felt threated/confused - insert whatever you think might fly-- and THEN THE ATTORNEY ASKS FOR THE CONFESSION TO THROWN OUT! Which would really help the Defense. Now let's say, the Defendent wrote a bunch of letters many months after the Interrogation alone in his cell without any prodding from anyone and he recounts the same or much othat in fact HURT his DEFENSE?

I will go one step further too. IF his friends had evidence, specifically the letters, that they believed would help him why not march into the DA office and give it to the ones who are trying to convict him? Or give to both Prosecution and Defense? Wouldn't that make more sense? But instead, only the Defense got these letters (on the heels of the police looking for them) and the Defense immediately tried to get them marked as something protected by ATTORNEY/CLIENT priviledge - why do that if whatever within will help "add some credence" to his defense?

Nope , I am more inclined to see these letters will prove to be one more example of how BEN FAWLEY's inability to be QUIET will help to prove his guilt.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Researcher

Morning, Matthew.
1.) Do you happen to have a link re MS being friends with Fawley?

2) And what car are you wondering about?

Articles indicated:
Letters are basically "friendship letters...love letters" re "semi-romantic relationship" between BF & Hildy. Their relationship was ~8/05-9/05.

Hildy received the letters in 11/05-12/05.

Hildy then sent letters to MS.

"At about the same time, Richmond investigators found out about the letters and began to seek them out."

"Anticipating that police would get a search warrant for his office and seize the letters, Johnson sent them under seal to the court to be examined by Shaw."

William Johnson, the Matthews Couty court-appointed defense atty "...has practiced law in Mathews for 15 years...serves on the county School Board, is a graduate of the T.C. Williams School of Law at the University of Richmond."

Noted Richmond Defense Atty Christopher J. Collins "has handled nearly 300 homicide cases during his 33-year career....(and) has represented (BF) since his (9/05) arrest on charges of possessing child pornography..."
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet...=1137833630512

Researcher -

First - I now have my settings so I can READ all of the links! SOrry about my sloppy prior post.

As to your questions.

1. I tried to find that link where it was mentioned that Hildy lived with a Maria and had broken up with Ben some time ago because she prefered to have a girlfriend and not a boyfriend. I think it was on her MYSPACE stuff. Unfortunately, all of the old links are dead- or I can't get to them. It DID NOT HAVE A LAST NAME THOUGH but I thought a few posts on the same forum there mentioned a spat with Maria and Hildy spent the night watching movies and eating popcorn at Ben's. Gosh Research - I realize I must be more like I used to be LINKS LINKS LINKS. It is going to be harder now with so many gone. All I have written just sounds like gossip! Doesn't it. But I do recall reading it all from the sites. I had a folder for some of the links that CTV would not allow (the blogs etc) but that was destroyed when my computer got trashed researching that fettish crud. Hope someone can help out and recall the links.

I may be wrong though and it was a different Maria all-together. That is a common name! Hey, I had a thought, maybe SOMECHICK posted something about this. I will try to dig through the old posts. Not really a good link though, is it? Just more hearsay.

GOOD QUESTION RESEARCHER - Didn't Raceex know how to unlock old weblinks that appeared dead? Someone posted how to do it when all of Skulz stuff began to disappear. Does anyone recall?

2. Taylor's car! For me it is huge piece of the puzzle. Where was it? How often moved? WHo knew? All of that sort of stuff has really bugged me! It was missing for some time. The guy whose house where it was ultimately found said it was NOT there the whole time. Police asked at one time about help with GRNERTH tag.

Thanks Researcher - keep me thinking!!! I am so thrilled you are here!!!

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Rowan


Of course it does V. He admits it AGAIN in the letters apparently. There may also be other information that speaks to how things happened that support his defense of accidental death.

Rowan --

HELP!

Are you suggesting he may have given more details in the letter than he offered in the interrogation/confession with authorities and the details will help support

ACCIDENTAL DEATH?

Let me ask you then:

Wouldn't the details be from his own account and may not be rooted in reality/truth?

With his track record of lying, why would anything laid to paper by Ben have any weight or credibility?

And factoring in his actions after the incident:

1. HE DUMPED HER BODY IN A DITCH AND TOLD NO ONE (or so we know so far)

2. HIS OWN ROOMMATE SAID WHEN HE RETURNED TO HIS APARTMENT IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, HE WAS NORMAL BEN TALKING ON HIS PHONE ABOUT SOME UPS THING.

3. HE CALLED THE POLICE AND CREATED A WEIRD FALSE ABDUCTION ALIBI

4. HE PRETENDED TO BE AS CONFUSED AS THE NEXT GUY AND EVEN GAVE OUT FLIERS?

5. HE CONNED CINO INTO BELIEVING AND RELAYING ACROSS THE MEDIA THAT TAYLOR MAY HAVE RUN OFF AND EVEN WENT SO FAR AS TO PLANT A SEED THAT SHE HAD SUPPOSED COME TO BEN EARLY WANTING TO STEAL A CAR?????

6. HE DID SOMETHING WITH HER CAR

7. HE WAS SEEKING OUT PEOPLE WHO HAD CONTACT WITH TAYLOR JUST BEFORE THE INCIDENT, ??????

And factoring in a few other character traits of Ben Fawley:

1. a FELON
2. rap sheet includes complaints involving violence against women
3. The whole ERIN scenario demonstrated Ben preferred to irrationally deal with at least one female who refused him and made concerted efforts to badmouth, defame, and scare her. He even dumped Taylor's body on land very close to this girl!

Help me see how any detail written by BEN in a bundle of letters written to Hildy benefit him? And if that is so, why would the Defense try to prevent them from being included as discovery?

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Rowan
I'm just confused. It seemed rather straightforward to me. He wrote letters, most of which (according to "news" sources .. blah blah blah) are 99% personal rumination, 1% about the night Taylor died, and which basically support his previously released statements.

BFD. Nothing new here. UNLESS they can substantiate his claims that both he and Taylor were drinking that evening, which may lend SOME credence to his defense.

Otherwise, this is no big deal. More of Fawley's ramblings. Who cares who the people were that turned them over? They were in receipt of letters from him, nothing more. The evidence IS the letters, and those will be scrutinized by both sides now.

Personally? If they are what has been conveyed? Point to the defense.

Hey Rowan -

When did Ben release a statement? I missed that one. Do you have a link? (hope it is still good?

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Rowan


the only statement that, to my knowledge he has made, the one we've discussed often and no, I don't have a link. The one saying that he restricted her breathing during rough sex.

Oh , I thought there had been a statement he released.. with the way he likes to open his mouth and the time I was computer-less, I wondered if I missed something.

I have a question for you. I know you really like to sit on both sides of the table - which I get a genuine tickle out of at times (marvel at how you keep things straight at times)...

Anyway, of late you seem to be on the fence or on the Defense side of looking at things in regards to this
ACCIDENTAL DEATH claim by Ben.

Here is my question..

Do you think that the Defense is betting on most people WANTING to believe this an accident will help them make their case stronger?

I thought about your last few posts and it got me to thinking ---

How would the Defense be able to make their case credible? Or is it enough to just keep the ball in the air?

[protectkidz]

Honestly, V - I may have underestimated you.

Yes, I think some people would rather that this was a horrible, tragic accident, instead of murder.

Why, you ask?

Because then, there would be a greater possibility that Taylor may not have suffered as much - in a way that a murder victim seeing the rage of their murderer and feeling such terror knowing that they were being killed, suffers.

I, personally, would rather that Taylor's life hadn't ended in terror.

But, if he did murder her, I think the facts of the case as they will be laid out during the trial will show this. The facts will show that it was not an accident, if it truly wasn't.

[jace]

Researcher, thanks for pointing out to me that there were two previous links. I was only going by the link you posted with the remark that Katie and Ben had a semi-romantic relationship.

PK, I think you're right. I don't think any one of us that have gotten to know Taylor through her friends' statements and her mom's can imagine why anyone would murder someone like her. It's a little easier (and I feel bad using the word easier because it here isn't anything easy about it) to think that it was an accident.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

The more I think about those letters the more curious I am.

I hope they are introduced early on. I find myself asking a series of questions...

Hildy and her role in all of this has always been on my mind. These letters just served to heighten my interest in her.

When will the witness lists be published probably?

Does anyone know whom (or is it who?)the gag order applies? Is Hildy already listed as a potential witness?

Could that have any bearing on why the Defense was given the letters and not the Prosecution?

Just wondering outloud.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

So Row -

Since we have no evidence to support either way whether Taylor chose to meet Ben or was conned or forced into his presence (THE TRIAL HOPEFULLY MAY HELP), the scale for you is tipped in the direction that TAYLOR made a choice that set things in motion.

And that choice (that really only can be confirmed by a dead girl) was to willingly be in the company of Ben Fawley that night and that is what creates the possibility of ACCIDENTAL DEATH for you right

So the hingepin for you is did she make a choice to be in Ben's company that night?

If the Prosecution can prove NOPE - Taylor was not heading to Bens. Had not spoken with Ben and made plans for the evening with Ben and can show her head was on a completely different track that night.

Then will that be enough for you to punt the accidental death explanation that Ben is offering as his defense?

One more thing - what about the possibility that the two happened upon each other? That opens the door to the happenstance occuring for Taylor and Ben but Door #2 with that scenario also allows for the meeting to have been planned on Ben's part, right? In this event, the hingepin question of whether Taylor willingly chose to be in the company with Ben that night still is there for you right? What critera would you expect to be met to show each one's intent? What does the Prosecution and Defense have to do to convince you either way?

Just curious.

It is interesting to me how Ben dumped her body, remained mute for so long, hid her car, filed a weird ABDUCTION alibi with the police... none of his actions afterwards really have any weight for you in determining whether Taylor's death was accident or murder? SO it is not Ben's actions that are going to determine it, for you, it is Taylor's right?

[MATTHEWsevenone]

OK Row --


So for you it is a combination of factors:

Whether Taylor was actively involved with Ben (and so far for you - you are going with hearsay by online posters whom you choose to trust as reliable, honest, and objective) - this in turn leads to the logical question (with a presumed/slanted answered on your part) whether she choose to meet up and go with him that night

AND

the fact the body was found in Mathews and LE have not levied charge(s) (i.e. evidence found and collected to support a charge) to support a crime took place in Richmond

It is a triad - of sorts or maybe building blocks would better describe it for you so far, right? Not really a puzzle but steps.

And right now you would be at the top of the steps - you have accepted that Taylor & Ben were probably involved - Step One

You accept that Taylor went to Bens that night voluntarily- Step Two

LE has not built a case or is trying a case in Richmond; therefore, you believe that the two headed for Mathews together and because they were involved whatever happened in Matthews was more likely an accident? Step Three

Do I have it right now?

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Rowan


I have already explained it clearly enough I believe V. And I find your characterization of my "sources" condescending and offensive. You do not know who they are, and as far as online posters being more reliable - well, there is much I could say to that, but won't.

Have a good day.

Rowan-

But... But... You TOLD ME in a PM just a couple of days ago who your FRIENDS were.

[Researcher]

Interesting to go back and read the thread on Hildy and Fawley in trying to better understand their relationship...perhaps give us some hints re Maria....?
Hildy & Darkevilgoth

[singlesix]

Speaking of Fawley & Apologist, has Fawley apologised for anything yet or is he still acting like a kid who got caught with his hand in the cookie jar?

singlesix

[Cino]

Singlesix:

Maybe your PM box is full or my messages just aren't getting through somehow. If it's not that, please at least tell me if you're just going to ignore me.

Originally posted by protectkidz
Honestly, V - I may have underestimated you.

Yes, I think some people would rather that this was a horrible, tragic accident, instead of murder.

Why, you ask?

Because then, there would be a greater possibility that Taylor may not have suffered as much - in a way that a murder victim seeing the rage of their murderer and feeling such terror knowing that they were being killed, suffers.

I, personally, would rather that Taylor's life hadn't ended in terror.

But, if he did murder her, I think the facts of the case as they will be laid out during the trial will show this. The facts will show that it was not an accident, if it truly wasn't.

The only people, who'd rather believe this was an accident, are those who want BF to get off.

Why else would they believe his lies of EA and consensual sex, after he lied for so long, keeping this "accident" a secret while Taylor's body was rotting away, and her family was distraught?

I'd rather Taylor never met BF, so no harm would have come to her and she'd be alive and well. So much for what I'd rather. The fact is Taylor's life DID end in terror, at the hands of BF.

I seek justice for Taylor and her family, and for BF, who murdered her, to suffer the ultimate punishment allowed by VA law.

In loving memory of Taylor

[Cino]

I suppose the question is, Paula, why wouldn't you rather believe that Taylor didn't spend the last bits of her life in terror? If this was an accident, like in the story, it's entirely possible that she spent the last moments of her life in pleasure.

Isn't that a good enough reason to want to believe it was an accident? Does everyone who wants to believe this was murder just like the idea of Taylor dying in terror? I'd like to think not.

[jace]

Cino, I agree with you about wanting to believe it was an accident. I don't want to think that she lived her last minutes in terror. I know there's a possibility but until it's proven I just can't "go there".

As far as if it was an accident why wouldn't he not go to the authorities, why would he help in passing out flyers? Well, that's been discussed before. I think he panicked knowing that with his record no one would ever believe him.

I'm not a Ben apologist. He's guilty. I want him punished for what happened but I want him to be punished appropriately.

[vedder]

Originally posted by Cino
I suppose the question is, Paula, why wouldn't you rather believe that Taylor didn't spend the last bits of her life in terror? If this was an accident, like in the story, it's entirely possible that she spent the last moments of her life in pleasure.

Isn't that a good enough reason to want to believe it was an accident? Does everyone who wants to believe this was murder just like the idea of Taylor dying in terror? I'd like to think not.

Mike
The only reason BF "admitted" to anything was because they found her body. If we had not, he would still, to this day, be claiming he was "innocent" and that he was being "framed" which we all know now, would have been a lie...

When you first heard his ridiculous, ridiculous,"abduction alibi"
did you give him the benefit of the doubt, and believe that "story" as well?

Now, I'm all for being "open-minded" but I have yet to see one thing Ben did or said prior to his "confession" that would warrent a belief on his behalf. Not one thing.

Thats all it is, another "story", another lie....
Ben spent his whole life avoiding responsibility for his actions.

Why would it be any differen't in this situation? Common sense would dictate that it wouldn't...just moo..

Vedder

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by vedder


Mike
The only reason BF "admitted" to anything was because they found her body. If we had not, he would still, to this day, be claiming he was "innocent" and that he was being "framed" which we all know now, would have been a lie...
Vedder

I'm with Vedder on this one. Had her body not been found he would be trying to get out of jail in order to stand on some street corner in Richmond so he pass out flyers.

For all we know, he could have killed her in Richmond and then decided to go to Mathews in order to conceal her body. I don't think this possibility has been ruled out and I doubt we will ever truly know.

Every single thing he did prior to her discovery was a cover up. It wasn't until she was found by linking his photos to the farm did he even begin to speak of being more involved.

You can forget about anything he says or writes as being anything more than his version. He has proved time and time again that is he is not credible. This is why the evidence of the case is going to carry the most weight. Once the trial starts, we will all then see the results of the investigation that elude our eyes and ears today.

By the way ... for those of you who wondered about his jailhouse letters .... they are not subject to privacy priviledge. Also, anything he says on the jailhouse phone is recorded. The only exception is communication with his att'y.

The most recent example of this is the Carlie Brucia case when Joe Smith had all his conversations with his mother and brother recorded. All his letters were intercepted as well and decoded by the FBI. There is nothing like having a suspect's own voice played in a court so you can hear them openly confess.

I don't know about the rest of you but I am sure ready to see and hear the evidence as I am confident there will be plenty of facts I haven't seen/heard yet.

[jace]

TNProfiler, first I'd like to say that I respect and enjoy reading your posts. You're very knowledgable in matters like this. Maybe I'm confused by your last post. Are you saying that it was more likely that he killed Taylor intentionally because he tried to cover it up?
Personally, I think either way, accidental or intentional, his main objective would be to cover his *ss.
Unfortunately we'll never know unless the prosecution can come up with some credible evidence. Like you said the only that knows what went on the night was Ben and he's not credible.

[protectkidz]

I wish so much that he would pull a Joseph Smith. So many questions, so little answers. With BF's propensity for verbal diarrhea, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

I forgot a BIG one when I did the list earlier about Ben's actions ---

Remember for days, weeks, he told Police he walked Taylor to her dorm around 9 something, remember? When in reality she had not even left her dorm yet? If accident - why was the timeline so off for him that night?

And he was busy telling friends that Taylor had asked about stealing cars...Why lie to his own friends if accident?

There are just so many things that don't add up to me to even open the door for ACCIDENT.

But Ben Fawley is not claiming she slipped on a rock while they were walking along the shore. NO WAY, he is now claiming as his defense that they drove together to Mathews -- three hours from Richmond!- to some beach area or to park near some beach

**REMARKABLY IN THE VERY COUNTY where another young woman's family property was/is - a young woman whom Ben was obsessed with and/or hated right up until the hours of Taylor's death according to his own weblogs.

And he claims Taylor and he were in the throws of some sort of sicko sexual stuff -

**REMARKABLY SIMILAR to exactly what this other young woman did/does either part time or full time as a porn model/actress.

And Taylor accidently died and her body dumped

** REMARKABLY CLOSE to the very property lines where this other young woman's family homestead/property is.


ACCIDENT -

1. WHY NOT SEEK MEDICAL HELP?
2. WHY NOT COME CLEAN TO FRIENDS? ESPECIALLY MUTUAL FRIENDS OF BOTH TAYLOR AND HIM WHOM HE SHOULD HAVE SEEN ANGUISHING OVER HER DISAPPEARANCE?
3. WHY DRIVE AROUND MATTHEWS FROM THE BEACH AREA TO THE VERY ROADS WHERE THE DESPISED/OBSESSED FEMALE LIVED?
4.WHY DESTROY OR HIDE HER CELL PHONE AND ID AND...

The questions keep going on and on...

[jace]

Matthewsevenone, I can see your point but what about:

1. Because he panicked. First thought was to cover his butt.

2. Maybe he did tell someone. We probably won't know that because there's a gag order.

3. Most killers dispose of the body in an area that they are familiar with. Ben knew the area because he had been there with Erin. Also, he thought it would be a place she wouldn't be found.

4. For the same reason as #1.

[Researcher]

Originally posted by MATTHEWsevenone
I forgot a BIG one when I did the list earlier about Ben's actions ---

Remember for days, weeks, he told Police he walked Taylor to her dorm around 9 something, remember? When in reality she had not even left her dorm yet? If accident - why was the timeline so off for him that night?

And he was busy telling friends that Taylor had asked about stealing cars...Why lie to his own friends if accident?

There are just so many things that don't add up to me to even open the door for ACCIDENT.

But Ben Fawley is not claiming she slipped on a rock while they were walking along the shore. NO WAY, he is now claiming as his defense that they drove together to Mathews -- three hours from Richmond!- to some beach area or to park near some beach

**REMARKABLY IN THE VERY COUNTY where another young woman's family property was/is - a young woman whom Ben was obsessed with and/or hated right up until the hours of Taylor's death according to his own weblogs.

And he claims Taylor and he were in the throws of some sort of sicko sexual stuff -

**REMARKABLY SIMILAR to exactly what this other young woman did/does either part time or full time as a porn model/actress.

And Taylor accidently died and her body dumped

** REMARKABLY CLOSE to the very property lines where this other young woman's family homestead/property is.


ACCIDENT -

1. WHY NOT SEEK MEDICAL HELP?
2. WHY NOT COME CLEAN TO FRIENDS? ESPECIALLY MUTUAL FRIENDS OF BOTH TAYLOR AND HIM WHOM HE SHOULD HAVE SEEN ANGUISHING OVER HER DISAPPEARANCE?
3. WHY DRIVE AROUND MATTHEWS FROM THE BEACH AREA TO THE VERY ROADS WHERE THE DESPISED/OBSESSED FEMALE LIVED?
4.WHY DESTROY OR HIDE HER CELL PHONE AND ID AND...

The questions keep going on and on...

And why express on your blog that one of your interests just happens to be "shallow graves"...and then it just so happens you bury a person in a shallow grave?

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by jace
Matthewsevenone, I can see your point but what about:

1. Because he panicked. First thought was to cover his butt.

2. Maybe he did tell someone. We probably won't know that because there's a gag order.

3. Most killers dispose of the body in an area that they are familiar with. Ben knew the area because he had been there with Erin. Also, he thought it would be a place she wouldn't be found.

4. For the same reason as #1.

1. a. Panic - I don't know. I have traveled those roads- day and night. Have you looked at the maps to see how the roads are laid out in Mathews, or are you familar with them? It was dark that night. there is a dead girl somewhere in the car with you. You have just killed her by accident. You panic - you're parked at a beach. What do you do? Do you involuntarilary find yourself driving down dark remote rural roads that are the very roads where your ex. lives? I cannot see a person in a panic taking all of the steps he took that night.

b. Cover his butt - OK- I can buy that to a point. But he chose to put Taylor on land so close to ERIN's family land. Heck, with the cover of dark, he might have thought he succeeded, right? If the goal was to "cover his butt" wouldn't it have been better to take her somewhere NOT so remote and tied to another girlfriend's? Wouldn't it have made sense to head to New Kent or Saluda or Rappahanock or even Ashland - afterall, it was the middle of the night, another college town and plenty of farmland to dump a body out there too. Remember I am thinking accident-- OK-- then why??? Therfore, if accident, why thoughts of GEE I BETTER COVER MY BUTT at all?

2. Maybe he did tell someone. OK. WHO? Let's think about this. Noone came forward, right? Begs the question, why did it take LE hunting down photo links to find her? Begs the question: If he told someone and they did not tell anyone-- why? Did they not believe him? Or did the person not believe it was an accident? Maybe the person was afraid to report it because he or she had his/her own trouble with the law and was afraid to be drawn into it all? OK maybe that one. But don't you think that Ben would have mentioned that person's name during his confession? It was an accident .. I told so and so, he'll tell you I told him! Time will tell on that one I grant you. But if he told someone why hadn't they already told LE? If there is a person whom Ben told who has not stepped forward, can they appear on the witness stand now and be credible? Isn't that person an accessory after the fact, if they knew before she was found? Or possibly one who obstructed an investigation? Remember the Style Mag piece that Cesca wrote. She said

a. she never saw or met Taylor -- and she was living with Ben from 7/31 until after Taylor's death.

b. she spoke of how normal he acted afterwards. There were a few comments/rantings he made after she disappeared that nw disturb Cesca. But she said she doubted Ben's veracity now that she knows what the rest of us know about Taylor and her death.

3. I think 1.b covers this. And Ben had been there during the DAY with Erin . right? Not at night, right? And we are not sure even how many times are we? So, if he had only been there a couple of times to shot some photos during the day close to a year or more prior, do you really think that in a panicky state he would just think - hey, I know the road where Erin's family lives is remote - I'll dump Taylor out in this ditch on or near her property line, Taylor will never be found here! I can't see it. Or conversely if he and ERIN were there before, wouldn't he have worried that ERIN might bring someone else there too? There are too many coincidences. Too much room for other choices if accident occurred.

IMO.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by Researcher

And why express on your blog that one of your interests just happens to be "shallow graves"...and then it just so happens you bury a person in a shallow grave?

That's right! Thank you Researcher!

[Taxgirl2006]

He also listed "Death and Destruction" and "Murder" in his interests.

[poplife]

And he claims Taylor and he were in the throws of some sort of sicko sexual stuff -
**REMARKABLY SIMILAR to exactly what this other young woman did/does either part time or full time as a porn model/actress.

a

Did I miss the part about Erin "...doing sicko sexual stuff part or full time..." ??

Originally posted by Cino
I suppose the question is, Paula, why wouldn't you rather believe that Taylor didn't spend the last bits of her life in terror? If this was an accident, like in the story, it's entirely possible that she spent the last moments of her life in pleasure.

Isn't that a good enough reason to want to believe it was an accident? Does everyone who wants to believe this was murder just like the idea of Taylor dying in terror? I'd like to think not.

Sorry, but that's about the tackiest thing I've read on this board. It also seems fairly consistent with the bias you have consistently expressed throughout this process.