New statement from Dr. Godwin

3/29/06 - Statement from Dr. Godwin:

"I am developing a graphic chart comparing Marcus Haper's cell phone roaming signals to his alibi locations for Oct. 22nd, 2005. Similar analysis will be done for others."

Great we've heard about MH & the others.... THAT will be interesting!

It's such a Catch 22 situation:

Folk/media/family call out for updates and snippets - and when we receive info, it's pulled apart and conclusions drawn then and there. Meantime, that was Part One ... of the full story.

Hmmmm.

[Atok]

I wish he had said:

"I am developing graphic charts comparing cell phone roaming signals of many individuals that provided alibi locations for Oct. 22nd, 2005."

Naming out MH and then adding "other people too" just seems unprofessional to me. Either name them all or name none. JMO.

As long as ALL people of interest, (incl those Tara was with on her last known day in Ocilla) are investigated and checked 100%, in exactly the same manner and style as was managed with HD - then fair's fair.

Originally posted by Atok
I wish he had said:

"I am developing graphic charts comparing cell phone roaming signals of many individuals that provided alibi locations for Oct. 22nd, 2005."

Naming out MH and then adding "other people too" just seems unprofessional to me. Either name them all or name none. JMO.

Originally posted by seekeroftruth


No, he has not provided a graphic chart comparing cell phone roaming signals for HD.

Hi seeker.... He HASN'T?

So where, how and why did media report what they did - or did they pass on a quote of his without back up documents?

Isn't good <<< strike that >>> fair journalism all about publishing facts, figures, articles and stories based on reliable sources, recorded reference and quanitifiable documentation?

[Atok]

It seemed like it still would have been effective if he hadn't named anyone. Does MH need more heat?

However, I am sure he has his reasons and the methods work in ways I don't need to be privy to.

I would be surprised if local LE did the type of geographical or triangulating data that is Dr. Godwin's specialty. It's a specialized skill and why he was asked to consider Tara's case.

Does Ocilla and that region of Georgia even have three cell towers for triangulation purposes??

From the outside it looks like local LE followed their rules for processing a missing adult. It looks like THAT protocol is what needs to be changed in the future so that scenes and items are not compromised like they were in this instance.

From the outside, now that we all commonly believe something untoward happened and she didn't just go shopping... it looks like a sloppy investigation. They can't change those things NOW.

I have heard from lots of people saying that LE/GBI and locals have all been worried and trying and using what they know... WHILE doing their other jobs. LE work didn't stop when Tara went missing. Other cases are still open, other issues still happen every day.

I am sure this case and it's handling and the fact that it isn't solved yet is very concerning to most anyone who has a heart.

[Esah]

Atok, I agree with you about DrG putting only one set of initials in his release. That wasn't professional to me either. That just makes me think he doesn't have a clue and is going along with the popular vote just to get readership.

I would like to know if he did this triangulation method on Tara's cel phone? Even though it ended up beside her bed that night, doesn't mean it was there all night!

I like the fact that DrG is doing this roaming signal check. It sounds like an avenue that will provide some much needed info in Tara's case. I just hope that he has a long list of names to check! It seems to me that the ones we've been debating over for 5 months, may be the short list.

[fsbiii]

Can anyone verify that the good doc even has Marcus Harper's cell phone records? Last I knew, he was going to attempt to obtain a court order to get them. I wasn't sure how he intended to do that or if it panned out for him. Has something changed since that time?

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Ocillian


Where was this statement made?

It is posted at http://www.findtara.com/

[Atok]

I can understand why MH wouldn't want to release his phone records to Dr. Godwin when Dr. Godwin works for the Gattis family and it is obvious that at least Anita feels MH is guilty; AT FIRST LOOK.

Assuming MH has nothing to hide and that the information gleaned is nothing that can be twisted in any way ~ just basic math facts~ then it's in MH's best interest to do this. I agree that it would be a very shrewd move by MH's attorney to offer them.

So ON SECOND LOOK: I don't see how witholding the records is good move for him at ALL. Assuming his innocence.

[Atok]

There are people on here that know MH personally. Perhaps someone could suggest to him how helpful this act would be.

It would open up the minds that are closed about him, it would show good faith and a desire to see her found. If he could make that gesture it would do alot for the negative energy all around.

I'm not saying only MH needs to make concillatory gestures or provide records or proof to what they've given as alibi's etc. Many people could ease the tensions with a little more working togetherness.

How about a great big multi- church and community "potluck dinner"?
This community needs a positive focus to re-energize everyone. Get the teens involved. Make the tables all round so no one can line up in "camps".

Please don't blast me for thinking the community can do something that seems "celebratory" when there is nothing but grim suspicions and sadness all around. I think a cathartic get together might actually help unite people again.

Here is a site to check out all the cell phone towers as well as other towers in the Ocilla area. www.cellreception.com

Originally posted by Karasu0
Here is a site to check out all the cell phone towers as well as other towers in the Ocilla area. www.cellreception.com

Thanks, Karasu0

Hmmm, seems there are 4 or 5 towers & 2 of those appear very close together (as depicted on the Ocilla Map, that is). On that same map, I have no idea where Tara's house is in relation to these towers....

I am assuming the map is up-to-date and shows all towers?

Here's a comment extracted from your link, by a resident in Ocilla re: his/her experience with the towers:

My son put me on his Sprint share plan because I had terrible Verizon coverage out here, and Sprint is okay. I had to get a Tifton number because they don't sell service in Ocilla. It turns out they will roam on Alltel or Verizon if there are no Sprint towers around, and since roaming is free it's all the same to me and I have decent coverage most places I go. I drive from here to Florida and Alabama every week for work and my Sprint phone works in a lot of places Verizon wouldn't. Sprint is definitely better than Verizon in SW Georgia!

[janis]

Brainstorming again. I know I am not even close to being an investigator, but...........why in God's name can't they take the cell phone records, pinpoint the POI whereabouts, and match it to the clay sample found on the tire? I'm sure it's not easy, but GOD IT SOUNDS SO SIMPLE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>YEA, I'm just a little bit frustrated.

[sweettater]

J4T, to whom were they not willing to turn their records over? Was it LE or Dr. Godwin? That would be interesting to know. Also, of course, it would be very interesting to know who cooperated and who refused. But I think both questions need to be answered to truly evaluate the possible reasons they may not have chosen to do so. JMO, as always.

[sweettater]

You have a very good point. I was just thinking if I was one of the poi's, whether guilty or not of anything, I would be extremely cautious about turning over anything like that to anyone except LE. I would think that would just be common sense. If someone DID turn them over,I think that makes them look more innocent of any wrongdoing. However, just because they did NOT, I can't say that it makes them look guilty IMO.
BTW, if I lived in Ocilla, GA, I would be PROUD to say so anywhere, on any message board, to anyone. All the people I know from there are good, decent people that I am very proud to be acquainted with. (Suffice it to say, it's FINE with me if you wish to believe that I live there! I consider it a compliment! Thanks!)

[fsbiii]

Unless something drastic has happened, I seriously doubt MH has turned over anything to Dr. Godwin. But you're right, seeker, Dr. G's declaration on the website implies he has the records. I guess only he knows for sure. We'll have to wait and see.

Originally posted by Justice4Tara
MH for one.

Unless you are LE or GBI how could you know? I doubt that information is told to just anyone.

[fsbiii]

Can that be verified? I'm not sure how a private eye gets a court order for someone's cellular phone records.

[fsbiii]

Let me rephrase then:

Can that be verified? I'm not sure how a criminal psychologist who develops psychological profiles based on crime scene reconstruction gets a court order for someone's cellular phone records.

[NancynNC]

This is completely off topic, but they made an arrest today of boyfriend in the Nona Dirksmeyer murder. Great news.

http://www.pbcommercial.com/articles.../d8gmnpq85.txt

Originally posted by CashCrop

you know I like that "I heard" this or that language you all use here you know but for once you got something right, I mean you heard right or whatever. Yah all those agencies are involved. I didnt even know this type of free for all existed, you know this is fun, but I need a couple of beers to even digest all this junk I read here. But yeah, that's right what you said Sissy.

Its Sassy not Sissy....

Another thing....Being rude does not make your claims any more believable than anyone elses. IMO And the very fact that you are here makes me wonder just how "right" we may actually be! Good try though....

[fsbiii]

He changed the statement? It no longer says MH's records? That must mean he doesn't have them. So much for the court order that was allegedly obtained.

[Saunterer]

Originally posted by fsbiii
He changed the statement? It no longer says MH's records? That must mean he doesn't have them. So much for the court order that was allegedly obtained.

His statement is changed on findtara.com (edited today)! Too late Dr. G ... we all saw the original version ... IMO.

[mooloo]

Wait a minute!

Are you including the rabbit ears at Peck's? HOw about the pie plate welded onto the side of the water tower?

And that piece of lead pipe stuck straight up in the middle of the field on the road to Douglas?

One thing we'uns in Ocilla is is teknilogically advanced.

3 cell towers?--get outta town.

Back to playing in traffic...

Originally posted by Ocillian
Does Ocilla and that region of Georgia even have three cell towers for triangulation purposes?? Yes.

[fsbiii]

Why change the statement if he had MH's cell phone records? Sounds to me like the first statement was wrong and led people to expect something that won't be forthcoming. Maybe I'm wrong. I'd love to see a good cell phone call analysis on a lot of characters involved.

[Saunterer]

MOO- probably had to do with the integrity and/or liability of findtara.com. Doesn't matter as long as the study of MH's records and others is happening.

[Saunterer]

Originally posted by mooloo
Wait a minute!

Are you including the rabbit ears at Peck's? HOw about the pie plate welded onto the side of the water tower?

And that piece of lead pipe stuck straight up in the middle of the field on the road to Douglas?

One thing we'uns in Ocilla is is teknilogically advanced.

3 cell towers?--get outta town.

Back to playing in traffic...

Type in Ocilla, GA:

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by CashCrop

He did get a court order for the records. Anyone wonder where MH was headed this afternoon?

I expect someone is watching..

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by Saunterer
Type in Ocilla, GA:

http://www.cellreception.com/towers/towers.php

Wow, Saunterer, you are the best.

They popped up like balloons.

[NancynNC]

Originally posted by popcorn
As I understand it, just knowing where the towers are located is not enough. There's a mathematical algorithms that must be used to analysis the distances and triangular areas.

Someone hinted before that there were not many towers around Ocilla. Glad to know there are.
Of course you are correct and I am sure that is going on now.

[singlesix]

Georgia: Title 4, Chapter 8:

a person may:

(1) Defend his person or property, or the person or property of another, from injury or damage being caused by a dog; or

(2) Kill any dog causing injury or damage to any livestock or poultry.

________

AFAIK there is a similar law in every state.

singlesix

Marcus Harper has been an animal lover since he was old enough to crawl. He has had pets of all kinds: two legs, fours legs and sometimes even six or more legs. As a matter of fact, Tara's beloved Dolly was a gift to her from Marcus. Marcus has always shown compassion and respect to all God's creatures. The thread started about him shooting a dog is a mistake. I hate to say that it is a lie, because that in return calls someone a liar, however Marcus would never hurt an animal UNLESS there was not another solution to the situation. Knowing Marcus all his life, I have not ever heard of this story. I have heard of the many animals he picked up on the side of the road and brought home to nurture and care for. I also have watched as morned the loss of his favorite pet when he returned from serving our country. There are many things on this board that have upset me as I am sure there are things that have upset other families, but I do know that Marcus has not killed some little girls dog and this is just another one of the many attacks on his character. Please try and remember, if there is not a direct link to the information, consider it a rumor. And as the investigators tell everyone..... Only be concerned with facts, rumors destroy families and hinder the investigation.

[janis]

I also have watched as morned the loss of his favorite pet when he returned from serving our country.


You must be a family member.......

[zorro]

Originally posted by suzee
Marcus Harper has been an animal lover since he was old enough to crawl. He has had pets of all kinds: two legs, fours legs and sometimes even six or more legs. As a matter of fact, Tara's beloved Dolly was a gift to her from Marcus. Marcus has always shown compassion and respect to all God's creatures. The thread started about him shooting a dog is a mistake. I hate to say that it is a lie, because that in return calls someone a liar, however Marcus would never hurt an animal UNLESS there was not another solution to the situation. Knowing Marcus all his life, I have not ever heard of this story. I have heard of the many animals he picked up on the side of the road and brought home to nurture and care for. I also have watched as morned the loss of his favorite pet when he returned from serving our country. There are many things on this board that have upset me as I am sure there are things that have upset other families, but I do know that Marcus has not killed some little girls dog and this is just another one of the many attacks on his character. Please try and remember, if there is not a direct link to the information, consider it a rumor. And as the investigators tell everyone..... Only be concerned with facts, rumors destroy families and hinder the investigation.

I had not seen it posted on here that he shot a little girl's dog. So is the story fact or fiction? Makes you wonder when someone defending MH's actions adds details to the accusation.
IMO

Originally posted by zorro


I had not seen it posted on here that he shot a little girl's dog. So is the story fact or fiction? Makes you wonder when someone defending MH's actions adds details to the accusation.
IMO

it was said by cashcrop before his posts got deleted. my wondering is about cashcrop's source and reasons and not this persons. that's just me tho. it is better to stay away from saying stuff that can't be backed up so people dont get mad and start fighting about it. looks like we got enough fighting allready.

since this is about the new statement from the good dr maybe we should be talking about that instead.

did he ever say what he found out about everbodys phone tower records? i am looking forward to hearing about that. maybe it will help.

It's been nearly a month. Where's the analysis? Where's the chart?

[gacountry]

Originally posted by BFD - v2.0
It's been nearly a month. Where's the analysis? Where's the chart?

BFD - v2.0
I do not mean to disrespect you but if Dr. Godwin came on today and gave you everything he has found even if it would render the case inaddmissable in a court of law, would this make you happy?
I think not. You seem to be an intelligent person but you do seem terribly one sided on your views of Dr. Godwin. We that have lived this horror have learned to welcome any port in the storm. We need someone to come in and rattle the cage and get people to thinking. Some people say this will divide our community even more but we have to have something to grasp.
Maybe if some of you that are so resourceful in getting evidence up could work together instead of trying to rip each other apart, we could let Tara have her much needed rest.
I will continue to give Dr. Godwin any assistance in any way I can with his search for Tara.

Originally posted by gacountry


BFD - v2.0
I do not mean to disrespect you but if Dr. Godwin came on today and gave you everything he has found even if it would render the case inaddmissable in a court of law, would this make you happy?
I think not. You seem to be an intelligent person but you do seem terribly one sided on your views of Dr. Godwin. We that have lived this horror have learned to welcome any port in the storm. We need someone to come in and rattle the cage and get people to thinking. Some people say this will divide our community even more but we have to have something to grasp.
Maybe if some of you that are so resourceful in getting evidence up could work together instead of trying to rip each other apart, we could let Tara have her much needed rest.
I will continue to give Dr. Godwin any assistance in any way I can with his search for Tara.

Inadmissable in court? How so? He's a private citizen just as I am. He has no police powers. Chain of evidence and corroboration are his keys. As long as he doesn't drop the keys, everything is just fine.

Dr. Godwin and I use the same methods. (Very few use these methods) I applaud his desire, I'm just not so sure of his results.

The idea of having these constant "updates" with tidbits of information that have absolutely no meat to them isn't helping to find Tara. Has anything been corroborated at all? Anything?

[Esah]

BFD, I wish the family would use your talents as well. It sounds like you have quite a grasp of the situation and the way to make a huge difference. I enjoy your posts immensely. They are informative and well said.