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Saunterer · #1 03-12-2006, 09:58 AM

"I've found what appeared to be two blood stains," says investigator Maurice Godwin is determined to find out what really happened to Tara Grinstead. "That needs to tested and lifted for presence for human blood. So I've marked that there. You can't over look anything," says Godwin.

He examines every inch of Tara's house, especially the bedroom where he believes Tara's struggle with her attacker began.

"A broken nail with a dot was found right there. I found it in the little crevice right there," says Godwin.

Underneath Tara's bed, Godwin discovers broken pieces from Tara's lamp . "That doesn't appear to be done with a hand or anything that appears to have been thrown or picked or somebody hit and knocked it and broke it," says Godwin.

As Godwin lifts back parts of Tara's covers, he reveals more signs of a possible struggle. "A foot has caught that somehow, enough to bend that whole metal piece there," says Godwin.

From the bedroom, Godwin believes her attacker then forced Tara from her house and into her own car. "I believe her car was driven to a location, and I believe she was killed in that location and later on her car was brought back early Sunday morning," says Godwin.

A latex glove was found in front of Tara's house, Godwin believes belonging to her attacker. "I think they have law enforcement background. A lot of people commit a lot of crimes but they don't where latex gloves," says Godwin.

Godwin also examinesTara's carport for finger prints as well as well for more blood stains. "This is a reddish brown stain, that needs to be swabbed up, and test for human blood," says Godwin.

As the former police officer continues to question people in the area, and search for clues, he won't stop until he brings justice and closure to Tara's family. "I'm staying on this case until I see the individual responsible for this crime sitting on death row," says Godwin.

Godwin is currently trying obtain cell phone records of certain people of interest in the case. Through a method called triangularization, he can pinpoint where a call was last made.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4619580

concernedperson · #2 03-12-2006, 10:12 AM

Wow! Great info. It seems Dr. Godwin is really pushing the envelope. BTW, I tried to get the link to open so I could read the rest of the article but it only goes to their home pape and wouldn't allow me to go further. Tried to register but it wouldn't let me.

Saunterer · #3 03-12-2006, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by concernedperson
Wow! Great info. It seems Dr. Godwin is really pushing the envelope. BTW, I tried to get the link to open so I could read the rest of the article but it only goes to their home pape and wouldn't allow me to go further. Tried to register but it wouldn't let me.

Don't know. I clicked on the link and it took me to the article. Try pasting or typing the link to your browser.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=4619580

Also, be sure to watch the video ... VERY interesting. IMO, Dr. Godwin is lighting a fire under local LE, as we type. I wonder who's in a "sweat" this morning.

concernedperson · #4 03-12-2006, 10:39 AM

All links working now. Excellent video. It helps to see what exactly he was speaking of in the article. The picture becomes clearer and clearer.

I agree, he is causing some to sweat right now.......

#5 03-12-2006, 04:49 PM

Go Get em Dr. Godwin. We are all behind you!! Good work!

concernedperson · #6 03-12-2006, 07:28 PM

Unless Sundays are unusually slow this is amazing to me that few posters have responded. This is big news and I would think everyone who lives around Ocilla would be thrilled. This is the most exciting new evidence we have heard.

#7 03-12-2006, 08:15 PM

Darn. Can't see the video. But the nail and broken lamp pieces are great finds...those drops of reddish stain...well, I'll have to wait and see about those.

Could someone please tell me what the video shows. Thanks.

concernedperson · #8 03-12-2006, 08:32 PM

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Originally posted by bred
Darn. Can't see the video. But the nail and broken lamp pieces are great finds...those drops of reddish stain...well, I'll have to wait and see about those.

Could someone please tell me what the video shows. Thanks.

He explains the bed being bent and how it could have happened. It shows small pieces of ceramic material that is the broken lamp. It shows reddish brown stain on the carport wall that looks just like blood. So, my question is why was this missed before?

Saunterer · #9 03-12-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by bred
Darn. Can't see the video. But the nail and broken lamp pieces are great finds...those drops of reddish stain...well, I'll have to wait and see about those.

Could someone please tell me what the video shows. Thanks.

Try multiple times with that video link. It doesn't always "take".

The video shows Dr. Godwin in Tara's house. He points to a small spot on a vinyl floor (looks like the foyer).

In the bedroom he stands by the bed and points to where he found a broken nail with a dot. He shines a flashlight beam under Tara's bed, where he found broken pieces from Tara's lamp. He holds the lamp which appears to be broken where the socket attaches to the stem.

With the bed covers pulled back, he shows a bent bed leg, then goes through a motion with his foot ... simulating how someone might have caught it with enough force to bend it.

Godwin goes out the front door and over to the carport. He finds another spot (blood?) on the vinyl siding. He goes around to Tara's bedroom window (the one behind the damaged lamp?) and points to the screen which is pulled away from the window at the bottom.

#10 03-12-2006, 09:31 PM

Thanks concernedperson and Saunterer...the video problem is with my old Mac, not the link. I remember a discussion a long time ago about whether or not all the bedroom oddities meant there had been a struggle. If you now add a broken nail and bent bed to the list it appears to be all that more obvious that a struggle took place.

Could someone who knows Tara please tell us if Tara 's nails were long enough to break off and perhaps had a dot as a decoration on them?

How about some speculation on the bent bed? I'm going to look for that picture of her bed and see what it is made of.

Saunterer · #11 03-12-2006, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by concernedperson
Unless Sundays are unusually slow this is amazing to me that few posters have responded. This is big news and I would think everyone who lives around Ocilla would be thrilled. This is the most exciting new evidence we have heard.

JMO - Young Streat was buried today. Seems like it may have been a good day for locals to just ... take a break.

The new clues are interesting. Why LE didn't find and collect the apparent evidence is mind boggling. But I'm really wondering how Dr. Godwin got from a broken finger nail and lamp and a couple of possible blood spots ... to a familiar scenario: assault/kidnap/murder by someone with law enforcement background ... everything except name(s) and where to find the body.

Might Dr. Godwin have access to the official investigation files? Or should Hotwater give Dr. Godwin an honorary registration here at CourtTV, so he can post under Theories and Speculations ... like the rest of us?

Rick Karon · #12 03-12-2006, 10:03 PM

Good question sauneter about theories. Showing all his clues on television is fishy though.

concernedperson · #13 03-12-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by Saunterer
JMO - Young Streat was buried today. Seems like it may have been a good day for locals to just ... take a break.

The new clues are interesting. Why LE didn't find and collect the apparent evidence is mind boggling. But I'm really wondering how Dr. Godwin got from a broken finger nail and lamp and a couple of possible blood spots ... to a familiar scenario: assault/kidnap/murder by someone with law enforcement background ... everything except name(s) and where to find the body.

Might Dr. Godwin have access to the official investigation files? Or should Hotwater give Dr. Godwin an honorary registration here at CourtTV, so he can post under Theories and Speculations ... like the rest of us?

I like your forthright opinions. I believe some of it is what he was told by family members. The rest we saw on video. The apparent blood spots etc.He isn't a stupid man and he saw odd evidence and why didn't LE collect this before? He jumped on an opinion as this case is getting icy and it needs to get stirred up. I think it is now.

Babes · #14 03-12-2006, 11:18 PM

I am looking forward for a possible more controversial evidences that Dr Goodwin can find.

For Dr Goodwin

Babes · #15 03-12-2006, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Karon
Good question sauneter about theories. Showing all his clues on television is fishy though.

I wouldnt think he will give up his known reputation for showing make-up stories and evidences on tv...

beastieboy · #16 03-13-2006, 04:45 AM

i think this is a good way forward - i was going to say good news - but i suppose you cant say signs of struggle and possible blood stains are good news but i hope you know what i mean, it seems like a promising way forward. hopefully some lead will come from this. well done to dr. godwin. i wonder as well why LE hadnt noticed the things dr. godwin has or does anyone think its possible they did but didnt make it come to light to the public for some reason?

#17 03-13-2006, 08:17 AM

Did the police ever use luminol in her home/car?

Atok · #18 03-13-2006, 08:50 AM

The family had to do it themselves.

fsbiii · #19 03-13-2006, 08:57 AM

I believe Luminol was used inside the house by the GBI early on before it was released to family. I do not think any LE used Luminol in the vehicle at any time. The family had a private investigator take the car many weeks later for further testing, presumably Luminol testing. The private investigator was later let go by the family. I have not heard any outcome from the private testing of the car.

#20 03-13-2006, 04:51 PM

Why on earth wouldn't local LE notice this right away as a point of entry into her house, or at least an attempt to break in. It seems way too odd that they would miss something this obvious.

mooloo · #21 03-13-2006, 06:33 PM

Or even if they did miss it. As long as the home has been sitting, empty and unguarded, someone in the neighborhood could have tried to break in. Maybe kids playing.

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Originally posted by murdershewrote
Why on earth wouldn't local LE notice this right away as a point of entry into her house, or at least an attempt to break in. It seems way too odd that they would miss something this obvious.

Babes · #22 03-13-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by GeneralLee
Why was the private investigator let go? Are you speaking of the one hired by Anita Gattis earlier in the investigation? Why did she get rid of him?

FYI... Hotwater just posted this on a theories and speculation thread:

Hotwater
Moderator

Registered: Jun 2005
Location:
Posts: 70
FYI: Ron Hardiman not fired
Robert Hardiman, the private agent hired by Tara's father and stepmother, has contacted Court TV and asked that we post this message saying that he was not fired.

--Hh20

Saunterer · #23 03-14-2006, 09:37 AM

"We believe we have collected verifiable evidence that a crime was committed," Anita Gattis, sister of missing Irwin County teacher Tara Grinstead, said Monday.

On Monday, Godwin met with officials from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to hand over the evidence, which will be processed by the GBI's crime lab.

Among the items were swabs of what Godwin believes to be blood spatters located inside the home and the garage.

Godwin also delivered to the GBI several articles found over the weekend during a concentrated search of the Green Road area of Irwin County.

"We focused on this area because of several comments we received from some of the landowners," Godwin stated. "About a quarter mile north of Ocilla, we found [lingerie] that was the same brand Tara wore. We also located a blue latex glove in a ditch nearby."

http://www.douglasdailynews.com/home...yword=topstory

PNut · #24 04-02-2007, 11:18 AM

So, did the evidence verify that a crime was committed, as AG speculated?

Blood in the garage - I assume he means carport - I didn't remember it being found outside....wonder WHERE exactly in the carport?

Its just me · #25 04-02-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PNut

So, did the evidence verify that a crime was committed, as AG speculated?

Blood in the garage - I assume he means carport - I didn't remember it being found outside....wonder WHERE exactly in the carport?

I think it all was a bunch of hog wash. I feel 100% sure the bed was not damaged when Tara disappeared. Dr. G needed to do some research on this but his credibility in Ocilla is not too good. He failed to treat people with respect to their face and may have email problems. He will jump to conclusions and make it public but never retracks publically if he is wrong.
Example Dr. G posted here on CTV as Popcorn that IJM (me and I) was at the BBQ which was absolutely wrong. Never one word to correct this on the board but I did get a weak "I'm sorry" by pm. Just a DAJA in my book but I do hope he can solve this case but have my doubts. JMHOO and a few facts.

fsbiii · #26 04-02-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Its just me

I think it all was a bunch of hog wash. I feel 100% sure the bed was not damaged when Tara disappeared. Dr. G needed to do some research on this but his credibility in Ocilla is not too good. He failed to treat people with respect to their face and may have email problems. He will jump to conclusions and make it public but never retracks publically if he is wrong.
Example Dr. G posted here on CTV as Popcorn that IJM (me and I) was at the BBQ which was absolutely wrong. Never one word to correct this on the board but I did get a weak "I'm sorry" by pm. Just a DAJA in my book but I do hope he can solve this case but have my doubts. JMHOO and a few facts.

:lol: C'mon IJM - you know you love some BBQ!

Brainstorm · #27 04-02-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Its just me

I think it all was a bunch of hog wash. I feel 100% sure the bed was not damaged when Tara disappeared. Dr. G needed to do some research on this but his credibility in Ocilla is not too good. He failed to treat people with respect to their face and may have email problems. He will jump to conclusions and make it public but never retracks publically if he is wrong.
Example Dr. G posted here on CTV as Popcorn that IJM (me and I) was at the BBQ which was absolutely wrong. Never one word to correct this on the board but I did get a weak "I'm sorry" by pm. Just a DAJA in my book but I do hope he can solve this case but have my doubts. JMHOO and a few facts.

Do you suppose he is still trying?or still trying to make AGs accusations
fit?
jmho

Its just me · #28 04-02-2007, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fsbiii

:lol: C'mon IJM - you know you love some BBQ!

:lol: Yep I do love BBQ but I am not a popcorn person or corn dogs either. Just don't go well with my digestive system. Maybe I need a switching. LOL

Its just me · #29 04-02-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainstorm

Do you suppose he is still trying?or still trying to make AGs accusations
fit?
jmho

He has not made any announcements so who knows BS. I just know the feller is barking up the wrong tree with the bent bed and IJM being at the BBQ.

might help me feel better.

PNut · #30 04-02-2007, 02:23 PM

I was wondering, since Beastie has joined us again, if s/he had any ideas when reflecting upon their post from over a year ago.

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Originally Posted by beastieboy

i think this is a good way forward - i was going to say good news - but i suppose you cant say signs of struggle and possible blood stains are good news but i hope you know what i mean, it seems like a promising way forward. hopefully some lead will come from this. well done to dr. godwin. i wonder as well why LE hadnt noticed the things dr. godwin has or does anyone think its possible they did but didnt make it come to light to the public for some reason?

Its just me · #31 04-02-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Saunterer

"We believe we have collected verifiable evidence that a crime was committed," Anita Gattis, sister of missing Irwin County teacher Tara Grinstead, said Monday.

On Monday, Godwin met with officials from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to hand over the evidence, which will be processed by the GBI's crime lab.

Among the items were swabs of what Godwin believes to be blood spatters located inside the home and the garage.

Godwin also delivered to the GBI several articles found over the weekend during a concentrated search of the Green Road area of Irwin County.

"We focused on this area because of several comments we received from some of the landowners," Godwin stated. "About a quarter mile north of Ocilla, we found [lingerie] that was the same brand Tara wore. We also located a blue latex glove in a ditch nearby."
http://www.douglasdailynews.com/home...yword=topstory

In the above post it states the underwear and glove was found a quarter mile north of Ocilla. Is Green Road north of Ocilla. I am confused.

A quarter of a mile is 1320 feet this would be right at Ocilla. What road north was the glove and underwear found on...this would be the direction of Fitzgerald. Unless I have my A turned around backwards.

Its just me · #32 04-02-2007, 07:29 PM

If Dr. G is no longer working this case he may want to give the folks over in Coffee County a phone ring. I read in the Enterprise news paper there are 10 unsolved murders over there. Just a thought if Popcorn is reading.

fsbiii · #33 04-02-2007, 07:39 PM

"As the former police officer continues to question people in the area, and search for clues, he won't stop until he brings justice and closure to Tara's family. "I'm staying on this case until I see the individual responsible for this crime sitting on death row," says Godwin."

"Gattis commented, "He is just a phenomenal man and we are so thankful he has taken Tara 's case. He contacted us wanting to help and it has been an eye-opening experience. I think we now have a firm idea of where to place our energies. Dr. Godwin has assured me that he will stay with us until the end, either Tara [is found] or someone jailed."

"Dr. Maurice Godwin says he's given hundreds of cases a year to investigate, but usually only takes on three or four."

FWIW

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Originally Posted by Its just me

If Dr. G is no longer working this case he may want to give the folks over in Coffee County a phone ring. I read in the Enterprise news paper there are 10 unsolved murders over there. Just a thought if Popcorn is reading.

fsbiii · #34 04-02-2007, 07:43 PM

I think your "A" is aimed in the right direction, IJM. I hope mine is, too. I think the Good Doctor was confused or had his map upside yonder ways. I'm sure the items were found south of Ocilla and the Green Rd. identifier is correct. I just have a hunch on that, of course.

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Originally Posted by Its just me

In the above post it states the underwear and glove was found a quarter mile north of Ocilla. Is Green Road north of Ocilla. I am confused.

A quarter of a mile is 1320 feet this would be right at Ocilla. What road north was the glove and underwear found on...this would be the direction of Fitzgerald. Unless I have my A turned around backwards.

Brainstorm · #35 04-02-2007, 08:23 PM

IJM,where is Green Rd.?say,from the courthouse in Irwin Co.,please?
just wondering...

Brainstorm · #36 04-02-2007, 08:59 PM

anybody?........

One2Snoop · #37 04-02-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainstorm

anybody?........

Well I'm somebody, but I don't know the answer to your question. Sorry. How's it going today brainstorm?

Lindsey · #38 04-02-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brainstorm

anybody?........

I believe Green Rd is about 5 or 6 miles south of Ocilla ... off Hwy 129. I could be wrong since I'm drawing from memory and not looking at a map.

IMO

fsbiii · #39 04-02-2007, 09:15 PM

It's the road that MH lives on with his mom, that's all that was important in the big "scheme" of evidence finding, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Brainstorm

IJM,where is Green Rd.?say,from the courthouse in Irwin Co.,please?
just wondering...

Brainstorm · #40 04-02-2007, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindsey

I believe Green Rd is about 5 or 6 miles south of Ocilla ... off Hwy 129. I could be wrong since I'm drawing from memory and not looking at a map.

IMO

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Originally Posted by One2Snoop

Well I'm somebody, but I don't know the answer to your question. Sorry. How's it going today brainstorm?

Thanks, Lindsey,and hello yourself,O2,I'm under the weather,when theres weather,storms or rain,but I will survive,and thank you for asking...sometimes the weather explains my *****iness,sometimes not...
lol
jmho