Castrate Child Molestors?

I've heard many suggest that this is the only way to prevent these pathetic human beings from depriving the innocence of another potential victim.

What are your views? Is this procedure/thought humane and would it provide justice?

Just wondering.

Originally posted by CriticalJustice
I've heard many suggest that this is the only way to prevent these pathetic human beings from depriving the innocence of another potential victim.

What are your views? Is this procedure/thought humane and would it provide justice?

Just wondering.

No, it should not be done, IMHO (this is not the same thing as chemical castration, which I really don't have a problem with).

some molesters molest for the thrill of getting away with it...so for those that do...how is castrating them going to stop them?

Originally posted by Tallcoolchic4


It's still sexually driven.

I say do whatever it takes to stop them. They aren't treating the children very humane and it's something that ruins the childrens lives forever.

Not always...there are many molesters that never get sexual gratification from it...

it is like rape...a control issue...

Originally posted by Tallcoolchic4


I've never heard of that. Do you have a link I could read up on that? I've always understood that yes, while its a control issue its still sexual gratification on the part of the molester.

what part are you wanting a link for? it being about control?

Rape is about control...the only difference between rape and molestation is insertion...thats it...they are both done against the persons will...so why wouldn't molestation also be about control?

or the not getting sexual gratification...sexual gratification is orgasm...not all molesters reach that point...

i am sure that there are quite a few who get sexual gratification from molesting...but that is not the main drive IMO..

but i do not think that castrating a molester will stop all molesters...thats just my opinion...

Originally posted by CriticalJustice
I've heard many suggest that this is the only way to prevent these pathetic human beings from depriving the innocence of another potential victim.

What are your views? Is this procedure/thought humane and would it provide justice?

Just wondering.

I don't think it would make a difference. It's never just a matter of it being "all about sex".

Eunichs have been known to be unbelievably cruel to some of their hapless victims and obviously they couldn't HAVE sex, but there's more than one way to violate the innocent.

So, IMHO, it has little to do with sex and everything to do with not caring about anyone or anything but themselves. It's a twisted perversion and it manifests itself with a need to somehow hurt or kill another person they can easily overpower without having to worry about getting physically hurt themselves.

However, IMVHO the death penalty would definately guarantee that they could never get another chance to rape/kill your children, my children or anyone else's children again.

I am sure castration would work great on child molesters and rapists.
But unfortunately I don't think it will ever be imposed on them. Considering it's a crue and unusual punishment.

Originally posted by Spyder88


I don't think it would make a difference. It's never just a matter of it being "all about sex".

Eunichs have been known to be unbelievably cruel to some of their hapless victims and obviously they couldn't HAVE sex, but there's more than one way to violate the innocent.

So, IMHO, it has little to do with sex and everything to do with not caring about anyone or anything but themselves. It's a twisted perversion and it manifests itself with a need to somehow hurt or kill another person they can easily overpower without having to worry about getting physically hurt themselves.

However, IMVHO the death penalty would definately guarantee that they could never get another chance to rape/kill your children, my children or anyone else's children again.

Has there been a problem with eunichs attacking people lately? Cause I am completely un-ware of it.
A lot of molesters do not attack or physically hurt their victims. Infact they groom the child, etc. They can also be married, have a girlfreind, which won't stop their sick behavoir, because they are sexually attracted to young children.

[oldschool]

Originally posted by mystery101
I am sure castration would work great on child molesters and rapists.
But unfortunately I don't think it will ever be imposed on them. Considering it's a crue and unusual punishment.

No Offence but to me molesting a child is cruel and unusual punishment. What ever it takes to stop these animals is just fine with me. Being it Chemical Castration or Surgical Castration, and just maybe after a few of these the Perverts might think twice before the try and lure a little neighbor girl over for a caddy bar.

Castrate them? NO
Execute them? YES

[oldschool]

Originally posted by MrToadsWildRide
Castrate them? NO
Execute them? YES

now that's even a better idea.

Originally posted by Tallcoolchic4


I wanted a link for the molesters not getting sexual gratification from it. I always thought that's what it was about. Is that just your opinion or do you have a link to back up that? That's what I am asking.

I don't have a link...i draw my opinion from stories i have heard from victims...i have read and heard several stories where the molester has never even undressed or touched themselves in any way or had the victim touch them...

i am not saying that these are the majority...i am just saying that this is how some are...how is castration going to stop them?

What about women molesters, a clitorectomy?

Originally posted by spanky


I don't have a link...i draw my opinion from stories i have heard from victims...i have read and heard several stories where the molester has never even undressed or touched themselves in any way or had the victim touch them...

i am not saying that these are the majority...i am just saying that this is how some are...how is castration going to stop them?

How were these victims molested then? I know this is true for some rapes but I've never heard about it for molestation.

The vast majority of rapists and child molesters are never caught. Most children know their abuser. Do you agree that if a close family member of yours turns out to be an abuser, they should be surgically castrated? How about your minister or doctor? Or your 80-year-old grandpop? I dealt with molesters who were all of the above when I worked at a family court. Most family members wanted their molester family member to get "help" because the perp was "sick" (You know, the exception to the rule) Most molesters are not drooling, degenerates at the playground. They are in our churches, scout troops, family THanksgiving dinners, etc.

And what about those falsely accused and convicted? There is no reversing this cruel and unusual punishment. It is a kneejerk reaction to a huge problem. Kids are taught to be afraid of the dirty old man in the trench coat - not uncle dan or aunt mary! Big mistake.

Originally posted by spanky


I don't have a link...i draw my opinion from stories i have heard from victims...i have read and heard several stories where the molester has never even undressed or touched themselves in any way or had the victim touch them...

i am not saying that these are the majority...i am just saying that this is how some are...how is castration going to stop them?

Spanky, you are correct. I have directly dealt w/ sexual offenders, i. e. child molestors, rapist, etc ...... they are driven NOT by their genitals or hormones, but by POWER & CONTROL. PERIOD. The "desire" to abuse originates in the BRAIN not the GENITALS!

Originally posted by mystery101

Has there been a problem with eunichs attacking people lately? Cause I am completely un-ware of it.
A lot of molesters do not attack or physically hurt their victims. Infact they groom the child, etc. They can also be married, have a girlfreind, which won't stop their sick behavoir, because they are sexually attracted to young children.

Try reading some history concerning eunichs.

As for eunichs attacking people lately, I can't say as I've heard of any, because that sort of thing isn't exactly part of our social structure.

If there's a penchant for cruelty and eventual control of another individual to get that feeling of power, then castrating them won't solve that "problem". Castration doesn't change the personality other than to quell a NORMAL sex-drive. These aren't normal people and they will only find another way to hurt the innocent.

A child molester is going to go after children. Using helpless children is how they "excite" themselves and it doesn't matter a whit if the child is willing or not. They have what they need to satify THEMSELVES. Many times killing that same child is all just part and parcel of the thrill of it all for them. Grooming these kids is simply part of the perverts "foreplay", only the child has no say in the matter.

I'd just as soon get rid of them. If castrating them would work, then fine. Go castrate one and give him some kids YOU love. What the heck...let him start a daycare and give him a whole roomfull. I mean it's obvious he loves children.

Originally posted by Spyder88


Try reading some history concerning eunichs.

As for eunichs attacking people lately, I can't say as I've heard of any, because that sort of thing isn't exactly part of our social structure.

If there's a penchant for cruelty and eventual control of another individual to get that feeling of power, then castrating them won't solve that "problem". Castration doesn't change the personality other than to quell a NORMAL sex-drive. These aren't normal people and they will only find another way to hurt the innocent.

A child molester is going to go after children. Using helpless children is how they "excite" themselves and it doesn't matter a whit if the child is willing or not. They have what they need to satify THEMSELVES. Many times killing that same child is all just part and parcel of the thrill of it all for them. Grooming these kids is simply part of the perverts "foreplay", only the child has no say in the matter.

I'd just as soon get rid of them. If castrating them would work, then fine. Go castrate one and give him some kids YOU love. What the heck...let him start a daycare and give him a whole roomfull. I mean it's obvious he loves children.

Well, since we are talking about history, why do you think eunichs worked in harems? With them being so violent and all?

If for one thing, castration would lower testosterone. High levels of testosterone have been linked to violence. So, it's rather obvious to me there are multiple ways castration would work-even if you are hell bend on the "control" theory, which I find completely bogus.

I'm not hell bent on the control "theory". Try reading comprehension 101.

Read up on some of the things those harem eunichs did why don't you? They weren't always all that trustworthy or nice. Mean is mean.

Your pure sex theory goes out the window for me when torture and murder is involved in any rape.

rape with an inanimate object was a common charge in my court.

Especially the kids under 3.

This link may help:

http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal...ophiles/2.html

Whether or not castration works would apparently depend on what type of molester the perpetrator is...

There is a man here in Ohio, a 32-year old man who raped and killed his seven-MONTH old niece. She died while he was pentrating her. And he called 911 and told the police that his infant niece wouldn't wake up. She "wasn't responding".

I just saw on the news tonight about the growing number of children being molested and raped on live internet cam with literally thousands of people watching.

My God. I'm still stunned at the numbers I heard.

for these poor kids... it's so wrong, yet so widespread. I don't understand it.

[Cinnared]

IMO... no.. castration will not work.Offenders can still offend with whatever other ways they still have available,now.. if you want to cut off their hands.. and sew the mouth shut... then we might have a chance...

Just IMO

[protectkidz]

I agree, Cinnared. This is a mental problem - it's not as if a specific body part commits these acts on its own...

The only treatment I see for the people who commit these acts is incarceration - for a very long time.

[Taxgirl2006]

If its all about the brain, why not do a frontal lobotomy, shock therapy, and chemical castration? Cover all the bases.

Castration is not the solution. While sexual arousal may be lowered, it can never be diminished. Therefore, it is unlikely that castration will deter sexual predators.

Sexual crimes are not just committed for the gratification of sex, but for the feeling of domination over another person.

Originally posted by Valkyrie08
Castration is not the solution. While sexual arousal may be lowered, it can never be diminished. Therefore, it is unlikely that castration will deter sexual predators.

Sexual crimes are not just committed for the gratification of sex, but for the feeling of domination over another person.

agreed. rape is about control. castration just takes away the ability to penetrate with the penis. the sickness is in the mind. the perp will just find another way to assault the victim (hand, objects, etc.).

incarceration is the only way.

[MATTHEWsevenone]

Originally posted by MrToadsWildRide
Castrate them? NO
Execute them? YES

I agree wholeheartedly.

Castration won't stop them. There are objects used all the time. I do not see these individuals as sick or ill, I see them as CHOOSING TO BE EVIL.

And there is no pill or surgical procedure to remove the EVIL.


Lock them away the first time is my first choice.

If we don't see the errors in our current system and keep up with this stupid revolving door and honor system tracking and monitoring --then I vote execution. If that doesn't stem the tide, at least we will at least stop repeat offenders!

IMO. OF COURSE

In an ideal world. (My idea, making it an opinion, not a law.)


Pedophiles, would be imprisoned on an island in the middle of nowhere. No bars or walls topped with razor strands. Just a uninhabited island wherein the guilty have to affect a "survivor baby rapers" real life episode, for the rest of their natural life. The system that incarcerated them provides the transport to the island and that's it. Otherwise the criminal element have to survive themselves with shelter and food. (they are given the clothes on their back to begin the incarceration, after that it's up to them.)

And the perimeter of the island, the seaside, is patrolled by volunteers from the victims families. No rules inland, and no rules at sea, in the event someone tries to escape, it's a death penalty offense without penalty.


And before they begin their stay they are castrated and branded as baby rapers. (In the event a poor hapless victim is later found innocent because of legal misrepresentation, etc... those responsible are incarcerated and castrated. Women offenders are taken to the women only pedophile island.)

Yes, civil rights violations like crazy. However a diseased upright ape that rapes a child is not civil, and therefore has no right to remain as a respected member of a society where normal people do not rape babies and children. (And the excuse of being raped as a child themselves. Well, if it was so horrific a memory, why is it not abhorrent to then impact a child with one of their own, at the hands of that unfortunate adult, former child victim? That excuse is an enabler mentality, and quite simply does not wash!First reflex is to kill them and free them of their suffering. But that would be wrong to sanction death by law. Put them on an island and let them finish themselves or each other. Either way, once they are incarcerated all of their assets are seized and sold and the monies given to their victim(s) , or in the event they murdered their victim(s), to the immediate surviving family.)

Originally posted by Habit Child
In an ideal world. (My idea, making it an opinion, not a law.)


Pedophiles, would be imprisoned on an island in the middle of nowhere. No bars or walls topped with razor strands. Just a uninhabited island wherein the guilty have to affect a "survivor baby rapers" real life episode, for the rest of their natural life. The system that incarcerated them provides the transport to the island and that's it. Otherwise the criminal element have to survive themselves with shelter and food. (they are given the clothes on their back to begin the incarceration, after that it's up to them.)

And the perimeter of the island, the seaside, is patrolled by volunteers from the victims families. No rules inland, and no rules at sea, in the event someone tries to escape, it's a death penalty offense without penalty.


And before they begin their stay they are castrated and branded as baby rapers. (In the event a poor hapless victim is later found innocent because of legal misrepresentation, etc... those responsible are incarcerated and castrated. Women offenders are taken to the women only pedophile island.)

Yes, civil rights violations like crazy. However a diseased upright ape that rapes a child is not civil, and therefore has no right to remain as a respected member of a society where normal people do not rape babies and children. (And the excuse of being raped as a child themselves. Well, if it was so horrific a memory, why is it not abhorrent to then impact a child with one of their own, at the hands of that unfortunate adult, former child victim? That excuse is an enabler mentality, and quite simply does not wash!First reflex is to kill them and free them of their suffering. But that would be wrong to sanction death by law. Put them on an island and let them finish themselves or each other. Either way, once they are incarcerated all of their assets are seized and sold and the monies given to their victim(s) , or in the event they murdered their victim(s), to the immediate surviving family.)

You know what is better? Lets just get the government to take every single one of these pedos that are in prison now, put them on a desert island like you're saying and , what the heck... NUKE 'EM.. Nuke the ba****ds.

Originally posted by mystery101
I am sure castration would work great on child molesters and rapists.
But unfortunately I don't think it will ever be imposed on them. Considering it's a crue and unusual punishment.

Why a perp's (pedophile's) constitutional rights are upheld more than the innocent is beyond me?

[Taxgirl2006]

Originally posted by Mashey46


Why a perp's (pedophile's) constitutional rights are upheld more than the innocent is beyond me?

Good question.

Some of the most famous killers have been impotent. The Green River Killer had a problem with impotency, as did several others. Their rage was fueled by the impotency and not tamed by it. They were still angry and still horny.

Chemical castration would likely not stop the problem--what it would do is mollify a bloodthirsty public, much like the death penalty. The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime and it never has been. All it does is satisfy an American desire for revenge and the ultimate "justice".

I don't think that chemical castration is humane, right, or even legal. I think it falls under "cruel and unusual punishment". Currently, I think it is used only as a parole condition and is not mandatory, but even so, I think the government's rights shouldn't delve into our bodies. The argument for chemical casteration can be compared to certain conservative policians' thoughts that welfare mothers should be required to get hysterectomies. We might say that welfare mothers are not criminals, but some consider them to be "moral" criminals, shunning the American work-ethic and ruining family values.

Either one is not right. The government should not be permitted or condoned to mess around with people's bodies. Can't we in America find a more humane and rational way to deal with our criminals, rather than sinking to bodily harm?

[sandy_sotd]

Sadly, castration won't help the situation with most pedophiles. It may, in fact, make matters worse.

Take for instance the perp who is so filled with anger at his castration that he attacks the first child he finds. Instead of being able to commit the actual physical act with his missing parts, he uses a substitute phallus.

Since he's not able to physically finish the deed, and receive his rush of chemicals in the brain associated with climax, the attack becomes more violent and more prolonged. He becomes frustrated and turns to a more physical attack to satisfy himself rather than a sexual one.

If we could better understand the brain and which areas control the urge to act out inappropriately sexually, then I think removing it would be a much better option, possibly the only chance that these predators may finally be "cured" or "rehabilitated".


JMHO

[Angie1960]

Originally Posted by Rachelynn

Some of the most famous killers have been impotent. The Green River Killer had a problem with impotency, as did several others. Their rage was fueled by the impotency and not tamed by it. They were still angry and still horny.

Chemical castration would likely not stop the problem--what it would do is mollify a bloodthirsty public, much like the death penalty. The death penalty is not a deterrent to crime and it never has been. All it does is satisfy an American desire for revenge and the ultimate "justice".

I don't think that chemical castration is humane, right, or even legal. I think it falls under "cruel and unusual punishment". Currently, I think it is used only as a parole condition and is not mandatory, but even so, I think the government's rights shouldn't delve into our bodies. The argument for chemical casteration can be compared to certain conservative policians' thoughts that welfare mothers should be required to get hysterectomies. We might say that welfare mothers are not criminals, but some consider them to be "moral" criminals, shunning the American work-ethic and ruining family values.

Either one is not right. The government should not be permitted or condoned to mess around with people's bodies. Can't we in America find a more humane and rational way to deal with our criminals, rather than sinking to bodily harm?

Yeah - Welfare mothers are ruining family values - to even compare the two is ridiculous! Kill the MFers - Hurt a child - you deserve to die. I'll be hapy to castrate them before they go though - let me at ' em!!!

[wind149]

If I thought for a minute that castrating would do the trick, I would learn how to do it myself! But, no castrating them, unless you do without a local and with a dull kitchen knife, I don't think it would help much as castration is only the removal of testicles, if they were to do it all the way, I would say yes! And the other thing is they still have hands and can use objects. Now if you left them with no genitals or hands that would be good. Chemical castration is nothing. In the 80's when sexual abuse of children was being publicized there was a teacher at a private school in CT,who admitted to raping and molesting over 30 boys in his tenure at this school. His high-priced lawyer came up with the chemical castration theory and that is what he received for a sentence. Do you know how long it took before he re-offended? Six weeks. No one from probation was hovering over this dirtbag making sure he took the pills every day and he molested a young boy in a park bathroom. People were out-raged to begin with he received no prison time, you can imagine how mad they were to learn of this. He eventually was tried and convicted and got 20 years. He is probably out by now. So I say the only thing that we know for sure works is full prisons and a revolving door on death row.

[CalInsomniac]

Originally Posted by wind149

If I thought for a minute that castrating would do the trick, I would learn how to do it myself! But, no castrating them, unless you do without a local and with a dull kitchen knife, I don't think it would help much as castration is only the removal of testicles, if they were to do it all the way, I would say yes! And the other thing is they still have hands and can use objects. Now if you left them with no genitals or hands that would be good. Chemical castration is nothing. In the 80's when sexual abuse of children was being publicized there was a teacher at a private school in CT,who admitted to raping and molesting over 30 boys in his tenure at this school. His high-priced lawyer came up with the chemical castration theory and that is what he received for a sentence. Do you know how long it took before he re-offended? Six weeks. No one from probation was hovering over this dirtbag making sure he took the pills every day and he molested a young boy in a park bathroom. People were out-raged to begin with he received no prison time, you can imagine how mad they were to learn of this. He eventually was tried and convicted and got 20 years. He is probably out by now. So I say the only thing that we know for sure works is full prisons and a revolving door on death row.

I agree. Castration doesn't cure a demented mind. Neither does cutting off any other appendage. IMO, no physical damage can ever be a payback for taking a child's innocence away. Even if there is no other way they can physically violate someone, there is always mental violation, the "visual rape", the visual undressing that happens in their mind and is sometimes visible on their face. We can't stop anyone from having sick thoughts. Jail can take away their freedom and thats the first thing they deserve, but in my opinion, the real punishment comes from a higher being. Someone looking at me in that way makes me cringe with disgust, but if my child was, god forbid, ever in this situation, just knowing that someone is thinking about them in a depraved way is enough to make my blood boil.

[Sharon]

Pedophiles and child killers go against everything society stands for. If you think about it, they are the evilist of evil. Even in practical terms, these POS are so damaging to society....attacking the future generation, that there is simply no need for them to continue existing once they have been discovered. It is my belief that they should be put to death with as little fan fare as possible. I have np problem with them being given the dp.

[Tracian]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Pedophiles and child killers go against everything society stands for. If you think about it, they are the evilist of evil. Even in practical terms, these POS are so damaging to society....attacking the future generation, that there is simply no need for them to continue existing once they have been discovered. It is my belief that they should be put to death with as little fan fare as possible. I have np problem with them being given the dp.

[Devotion]

Originally Posted by Sharon

Pedophiles and child killers go against everything society stands for. If you think about it, they are the evilist of evil.

Even in practical terms, these POS are so damaging to society....attacking the future generation, that there is simply no need for them to continue existing once they have been discovered.
It is my belief that they should be put to death with as little fan fare as possible.
I have np problem with them being given the dp.

Death!
No bond and not allowed out on the street to rape another victim and destroy more lives.

What is done when an animal goes rabid and is a threat to everyone's health, happiness and peace of mind? They are destroyed....JMO

[puppies]

Originally Posted by Devotion

Death!
No bond and not allowed out on the street to rape another victim and destroy more lives.

What is done when an animal goes rabid and is a threat to everyone's health, happiness and peace of mind? They are destroyed....JMO

i agree with death.but would it be enough?id say torture!