Karla PASSPORT INFORMATION UPDATE

Let's all stick together and hope KARLA GETS HER RESTRICTIONS REMOVED. iT'S TIME WE PUT THIS STORY BEHIND US AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL MEET AND PRAY FOR HER RESTRICTIONS TO GO AWAY. hOCKEYMOM YOU CAN BAKE BROWNIES AND BE NICE. lETS ALL START LOVING RATHER THAN HATING.

BELLO

I pray that K, not only does not get her restrictions removed, but she gets sent back to prison where she belongs. I pray that no other child is hurt by K.

Originally posted by Bello
Let's all stick together and hope KARLA GETS HER RESTRICTIONS REMOVED. iT'S TIME WE PUT THIS STORY BEHIND US AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL MEET AND PRAY FOR HER RESTRICTIONS TO GO AWAY. hOCKEYMOM YOU CAN BAKE BROWNIES AND BE NICE. lETS ALL START LOVING RATHER THAN HATING.

BELLO

Bello, I don't understand you. Would you free Paul Bernardo and give him another chance? From all that I have read, Karla was a willing partner to these crimes. She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife. She is not weak or submissive, this is clear in her own writings. Do you know her and so perhaps see her in a different light. Wouldn't you be a little nervous to leave her alone with your own beautiful daughter,niece or neighbor?

anovellady

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by anovellady


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She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife.

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anovellady

Other than the scars, lumps, bruises, clumps of missing hair, racoon eyes, the fact that the doctor she finally saw said it was the worst case of domestic abuse he'd ever seen in 10 years of practice, and the fact that she was made to sleep on the floor beside the bed for her entire marriage.

Just to name a few.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady


Bello, I don't understand you. Would you free Paul Bernardo and give him another chance? From all that I have read, Karla was a willing partner to these crimes. She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife. She is not weak or submissive, this is clear in her own writings. Do you know her and so perhaps see her in a different light. Wouldn't you be a little nervous to leave her alone with your own beautiful daughter,niece or neighbor?

anovellady

I would be nervous leaving her with my teenage daughter for sure. You'd have to be an idiot not to.

Paul should never see the outside of a prison again, pure and simple. He's a sick sick sick man.

Karla was abused pretty badly, truth be told. Severely. I know there are pictures online to prove it. However, I don't think that justifies her behaviors with the victims in any way. She had choices to make and made all the wrong ones. Instead of helping, she helped hurt. Instead of leaving, she stayed and participated and only she knows why. She was a victim of a sadist yes, but she still had her own mind, her own choices and she blew it big time. Now, she's suffering those consequences.

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady


Bello, I don't understand you. Would you free Paul Bernardo and give him another chance? From all that I have read, Karla was a willing partner to these crimes. She shows no sign of being an abused and battered wife. She is not weak or submissive, this is clear in her own writings. Do you know her and so perhaps see her in a different light. Wouldn't you be a little nervous to leave her alone with your own beautiful daughter,niece or neighbor?

anovellady

She isn't weak and submissive now, years after the fact, right. I do think, under Paul's influence, she had to have been. People who know her have told of the abuse he inflicted on her and her reactions to how he treated her which were extremely submissive...I only know of one case where she showed any strength with him and it's funny, because it was about her champagne flutes and her anger at his using them.

From what I have read, I was only aware of the one instance of abuse and that is when Karla reported Paul for the crimes. I understand abusive relationships and most times the woman is in fear of the man being freed and able to harm her but in this case, Paul would not have been able to get her since he was a serial rapist. I am talking about in the beginning before they were even married. I would think that the death of her own sister would have prompted Karla to report Paul to the police, even if she did it without giving her name. Any evidence linking him to the crimes would have saved herself as well as the other victims. I know that Karla said there was more abuse but only once was this obvious. I welcome your opinions, we all see things from different angles.

anovellady

[cantstandnuts]

Originally posted by anovellady
From what I have read, I was only aware of the one instance of abuse and that is when Karla reported Paul for the crimes. I understand abusive relationships and most times the woman is in fear of the man being freed and able to harm her but in this case, Paul would not have been able to get her since he was a serial rapist. I am talking about in the beginning before they were even married. I would think that the death of her own sister would have prompted Karla to report Paul to the police, even if she did it without giving her name. Any evidence linking him to the crimes would have saved herself as well as the other victims. I know that Karla said there was more abuse but only once was this obvious. I welcome your opinions, we all see things from different angles.

anovellady

One of my major problems was her insistence that she'd done it because she had to or she'd be beaten. Since this was so early on, her sister's rape and murder, I mean, I don't buy that as an excuse. She was still surrounded by family and not even married to him at the time, so the abuse excuse doesn't wash. As time went on, I think it had to have played a role, just not sure how much a role it played, really. I think she's very complicated and suffers from some disorder that made her engage in what she did not so unwillingly. There's been stuff thrown out there, like hystiobrile and BPD. I'm not sure, but I don't see her as purely psychopathic like Paul and I'm sure he had a lot of influence on her over time. I agree, though, the Tammy thing defies logic and can't be explained away by abuse.

Originally posted by cantstandnuts


One of my major problems was her insistence that she'd done it because she had to or she'd be beaten. Since this was so early on, her sister's rape and murder, I mean, I don't buy that as an excuse. She was still surrounded by family and not even married to him at the time, so the abuse excuse doesn't wash. As time went on, I think it had to have played a role, just not sure how much a role it played, really. I think she's very complicated and suffers from some disorder that made her engage in what she did not so unwillingly. There's been stuff thrown out there, like hystiobrile and BPD. I'm not sure, but I don't see her as purely psychopathic like Paul and I'm sure he had a lot of influence on her over time. I agree, though, the Tammy thing defies logic and can't be explained away by abuse.

Absolutely, the sister episode doesn't fit.

I would like to see a flow chart of the ages of the women PB raped prior to the attack on Tammy. Wasn't PB's MO to stalk the women at bus stops?

When did he become interested in young women? Did it start with Tammy?

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by northernrflxn

Other than the scars, lumps, bruises, clumps of missing hair, racoon eyes, the fact that the doctor she finally saw said it was the worst case of domestic abuse he'd ever seen in 10 years of practice, and the fact that she was made to sleep on the floor beside the bed for her entire marriage.

Just to name a few.

Wow! One trip to the emergency room for which she had to be dragged kicking and screaming!

Karla "made her bed" so "she slept in it" ~ on the floor! Too bad! So sad! Boo Hoo!

JMO and MOO!!

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by Bello
Let's all stick together and hope KARLA GETS HER RESTRICTIONS REMOVED. iT'S TIME WE PUT THIS STORY BEHIND US AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS.

WE SHOULD ALL MEET AND PRAY FOR HER RESTRICTIONS TO GO AWAY. hOCKEYMOM YOU CAN BAKE BROWNIES AND BE NICE. lETS ALL START LOVING RATHER THAN HATING.

BELLO

I AM GOING TO PRAY THAT KARLA'S RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT REMOVED. AS LONG AS KARLA AND PAUL ARE ALIVE, NO ONE IS GOING TO "PUT THIS STORY BEHIND THEM AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS."

A MEETING BETWEEN THE "G'S" AND THE "NG'S" IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE HEARING ABOUT IT ON THE 11:00 P.M. NEWS!

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, BUT KARLA AND PAUL HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME FOR MY ATTITUDE!

JMO AND MOO!!

Originally posted by 2L8 4A D8


I AM GOING TO PRAY THAT KARLA'S RESTRICTIONS ARE NOT REMOVED. AS LONG AS KARLA AND PAUL ARE ALIVE, NO ONE IS GOING TO "PUT THIS STORY BEHIND THEM AND TALK ABOUT OTHER THINGS."

A MEETING BETWEEN THE "G'S" AND THE "NG'S" IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. I THINK EVERYBODY WOULD BE HEARING ABOUT IT ON THE 11:00 P.M. NEWS!

I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, BUT KARLA AND PAUL HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME FOR MY ATTITUDE!

JMO AND MOO!!

It has been documented by Pychologists that Karla is as much a danger and is as much a psychopath as is Paul. the only reason she got out was the deal with the devil. Once the deal was released in Canada there was an uproar. Not only murdering 3 people she raped her menustrating sister and licked her fingers for the camera. That is one of the details outside of the dismembering that has stuck in my mind. She is pure evil.

Furious in Canada

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf
It has been documented by Pychologists that Karla is as much a danger and is as much a psychopath as is Paul. the only reason she got out was the deal with the devil. Once the deal was released in Canada there was an uproar. Not only murdering 3 people she raped her menustrating sister and licked her fingers for the camera. That is one of the details outside of the dismembering that has stuck in my mind. She is pure evil.

Furious in Canada

I would encourage anyone interested in truth to read the transcript of the rape of Tammy Homolka available in 'Lethal Marriage' and see if they think the above summary is a fair and accurate one.

Homolka has been "diagnosed" as someone who "may have an antisocial personality disorder" by a doctor who never saw her, and as a "psycopath" by a doctor who knows nothing in particular about psycopaths. Another doctor with a professional interest and background in psychopathy participated in the same evaluation and disagreed, giving Homolka a positive recommendation for parole.

None of the other dozen or so professionals who have evaluated her over the years found her to be psychopathic.

Informed in Canada

[FrankieBones]

One doesn't need to be a doctor to recognize the evil in Karla Homolka. One doesn't need a degree to realize this woman is a danger to society.

In the know, in Canada.

imo

Originally posted by FrankieBones
One doesn't need to be a doctor to recognize the evil in Karla Homolka. One doesn't need a degree to realize this woman is a danger to society.

In the know, in Canada.

imo

Well said

Originally posted by northernrflxn


I would encourage anyone interested in truth to read the transcript of the rape of Tammy Homolka available in 'Lethal Marriage' and see if they think the above summary is a fair and accurate one.

Homolka has been "diagnosed" as someone who "may have an antisocial personality disorder" by a doctor who never saw her, and as a "psycopath" by a doctor who knows nothing in particular about psycopaths. Another doctor with a professional interest and background in psychopathy participated in the same evaluation and disagreed, giving Homolka a positive recommendation for parole.

None of the other dozen or so professionals who have evaluated her over the years found her to be psychopathic.

Informed in Canada

If you read the book KARLA written by the same author that wrote Lethal Marriage (written first) you will be informed that the description I earlier wrote is an accurate description of KH. In this book( the author of both of these books) Stephen Williams has unprecented information by Karla Holmolka's psychistrist Dr. Arndt. Arndt gave his whole file on Karla to the author. This book is an indepth factual look at the diagnosis and medical conditions of Holmolka while the book Lethal Marriage was just that, what went on the marriage.

You are right that there are many differing views of her diagnosis but some are hired by the defence and some by the prosecution. The book Karla is based on the first psychiatrist to analize her upon arrest.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by Pretty Leaf




If you read the book KARLA written by the same author that wrote Lethal Marriage (written first) you will be informed that the description I earlier wrote is an accurate description of KH. In this book( the author of both of these books) Stephen Williams has unprecented information by Karla Holmolka's psychistrist Dr. Arndt. Arndt gave his whole file on Karla to the author. This book is an indepth factual look at the diagnosis and medical conditions of Holmolka while the book Lethal Marriage was just that, what went on the marriage.

You are right that there are many differing views of her diagnosis but some are hired by the defence and some by the prosecution. The book Karla is based on the first psychiatrist to analize her upon arrest.

1. Nick Pron wrote Lethal Marriage, not Stephen Williams. Stephen Williams wrote Invisible Darkness and Karla: Pact With the Devil.

2. Dr. Arndt diagnosed Homolka as a woman suffering from BWS and PTSD, NOT psychopathy. Homolka was very fond of Dr. Arndt, who was one of the only doctors who became a treating physician rather than just a diagnosing one. She maintained a correspondence with him long after whe was imprisoned, and other doctors took over.

3. It is as clear as can be in his second book that Stephen Williams does not think Homolka is psychopathic, though he generally remains someone who has been pretty tough on her.

4. The evidence against psychopathy in Homolka's case, which includes the vast majority of professional opinion, is substantial

Of course Karla liked this Dr.Arndt...he was supplying her with a plethora of drugs...potent enough so that she would sleep for days at a time.I am sure I would have loved him too.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by MrToadsWildRide
Of course Karla liked this Dr.Arndt...he was supplying her with a plethora of drugs...potent enough so that she would sleep for days at a time.I am sure I would have loved him too.

Yes, Dr. Arndt believed in sleep therapy. My point was that he never diagnosed her as a psychopath, as was implied.

Just to let you all know that karla is doing fine and not poor at all. Lets keep up the support and continue to love her and support her. She made a mistake and its all over now. Lets see that karla knows we are now cheering for her and that she has a productive and fulfilling life.

Im SURE SHE WILL TRAVEL AS OJ JULY 26 WHEN SHE THEN CAN GO ANYWHERE SHE WANTS. iM RECOMMENDING HAWAII SHW WILL LOVE IT THERE.

LETS HOPE SHE CHOOSES THERE AND NOT CANCUN THATS TOO MUCH OF A PARTY PLACE.


SIGHNED BELLO

this woman should be locked up forever....hopefully someone will give her what she deserves....

Originally posted by Bello
Just to let you all know that karla is doing fine and not poor at all. Lets keep up the support and continue to love her and support her. She made a mistake and its all over now. Lets see that karla knows we are now cheering for her and that she has a productive and fulfilling life.

Im SURE SHE WILL TRAVEL AS OJ JULY 26 WHEN SHE THEN CAN GO ANYWHERE SHE WANTS. iM RECOMMENDING HAWAII SHW WILL LOVE IT THERE.

LETS HOPE SHE CHOOSES THERE AND NOT CANCUN THATS TOO MUCH OF A PARTY PLACE.


SIGHNED BELLO

You're joking, right?

She is scum, imo, and should still be in jail. I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian, when I think about what our government sold out to.

Originally posted by amazing1


You're joking, right?

She is scum, imo, and should still be in jail. I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian, when I think about what our government sold out to.

Imagine what the victims' families are feeling.

this woman should be locked up forever....hopefully someone will give her what she deserves....


No doubt, someone on the outside outta assassinate this evil witch. Abused and controlled by her husband??? My *****! There are plenty of battered woman out there who don't committ the crimes KH did. And only 12 years for raping and murdering her own sister. May she rot in hell.

Hey Bello, are you retarded or just psychologically damaged?? How in the world can feel any compaasion for this evil witch?? She deserves to be treated as well as she treated her victims, including her own sister. What a sicko and anyone who thinks she deserves a second chance needs some sense knocked into them. Get a clue.

[northernrflxn]

Originally posted by amazing1


You're joking, right?

She is scum, imo, and should still be in jail. I'm embarrassed to be a Canadian, when I think about what our government sold out to.

Our government sold out nothing, until 2005 that is.

i think that karla should enjoy her life. She has been through alot and its over. VIVA karla

She hasn't been through nearly as much as those young women that she helped murder. They are the ones that should be enjoying their lives.

WTH is wrong with you?

Originally posted by BeesKnees
She hasn't been through nearly as much as those young women that she helped murder. They are the ones that should be enjoying their lives.

WTH is wrong with you?

And let's not forget Jane Doe whom K called. She fears K.

[HANNAH ROSE]

Originally posted by Bello
i think that karla should enjoy her life. She has been through alot and its over. VIVA karla

Tell that to the parents of the girls they raped, tortured and killed. "Oh, it's over, enjoy the rest of your life knowing your daughter is rotting in the ground but one of her killers is free as a bird."

I think all this nonsense about her being happy is sickening!

[singlesix]

"She made a mistake and its all over now."

Yeah, sure, in your dreams. God will get her if somebody else doesn't get her first.

John

O.K., I reckon I'll get slammed here for this post...please be gentle.

I am in total and complete agreement that Karla was (or is...however you want to deem her) of an evil nature. I am knowledgeable about her case....and am so sorry for all of the victims.

My question is this though....she went to trial...she was found guilty....she was given a sentence. It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers, and the Judge.
She served her time.

Now, though she did a horrid thing....she served her time that was given to her. What more could she do? I'm certain she wouldn't want to say "No, I need to stay here". No one would do that.

I'm not siding with her by any means....I just don't know what else people expect. She did her time.

Filly

Originally posted by ReasoningFilly
O.K., I reckon I'll get slammed here for this post...please be gentle.

I am in total and complete agreement that Karla was (or is...however you want to deem her) of an evil nature. I am knowledgeable about her case....and am so sorry for all of the victims.

My question is this though....she went to trial...she was found guilty....she was given a sentence. It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers, and the Judge.
She served her time.

Now, though she did a horrid thing....she served her time that was given to her. What more could she do? I'm certain she wouldn't want to say "No, I need to stay here". No one would do that.

I'm not siding with her by any means....I just don't know what else people expect. She did her time.

Filly

Your assessment is perfectly logical and valid. However, there is a belief that the deal was flawed. Jane Doe thinks it was.

Originally posted by Anthea Delano


Your assessment is perfectly logical and valid. However, there is a belief that the deal was flawed. Jane Doe thinks it was.

Excellent point, and I thank you for that.
However, though the deal was flawed...no doubt about that...my question still remains....and my thoughts still remain....

What more do people want? She did her time....the time that was given for her to do. Wrong as it may have been.
Perhaps she deserved life in prison too...but it didn't work out that way.

Filly

. iM RECOMMENDING HAWAII SHW WILL LOVE IT THERE.



She might not want to go there. The authorities there believe that her and paul raped a girl there on their honeymoon.

It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers


This part never happened. it was a deal between her lawyer herself and the crown, the judge upheld and sentenced her. never did she go in front of a jury except to testify against Paul.

Even though I hate the goof, you are right she has served her time, I just wish that one of the other victims that haven't come forward does. There is no time limit on sexual assault in Canada

[HANNAH ROSE]

Originally posted by ReasoningFilly
O.K., I reckon I'll get slammed here for this post...please be gentle.

I am in total and complete agreement that Karla was (or is...however you want to deem her) of an evil nature. I am knowledgeable about her case....and am so sorry for all of the victims.

My question is this though....she went to trial...she was found guilty....she was given a sentence. It was a sentence given to her by a jury of her peers, and the Judge.
She served her time.

Now, though she did a horrid thing....she served her time that was given to her. What more could she do? I'm certain she wouldn't want to say "No, I need to stay here". No one would do that.

I'm not siding with her by any means....I just don't know what else people expect. She did her time.

Filly

She got a deal. She served the time a judge ordered her to because she turned on her husband. This does not mean the she served the time she deserved.

[2L8 4A D8]

Originally posted by HANNAH ROSE

She got a deal. She served the time a judge ordered her to because she turned on her husband. This does not mean the she served the time she deserved.

Had Karla been totally truthful to the Police and Prosecutors, there is no way that her "deal with the devil" would have been put together and signed in concrete. Karla didn't care about Paul, didn't care about Jane Doe, didn't care about Leslie, didn't care about Kristen and didn't care about Tammy, her baby sister. Karla only cared about herself and how she was going to save her ***** from 25 years in prison or LWOP, like Paul.

Your statement, "This does not mean that she served the time she deserved" IMO is the main reason people remain so outraged and continue to be after all of these years re: Karla!

JMO and MOO!!