Pictures of a pond

[jace]

On our local FOX channel tonight at ten they showed a picture (actually three pictures) of a pond. They were asking if anyone recognized the pond to call investigators. They also said that investigators wouldn't say how it related to the Taylor Behl case. Anyone have any ideas?

Originally posted by jace
On our local FOX channel tonight at ten they showed a picture (actually three pictures) of a pond. They were asking if anyone recognized the pond to call investigators. They also said that investigators wouldn't say how it related to the Taylor Behl case. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks for posting this, Jace!

Did they say where the pond was located?

Is the pond in Mathews County, Richmond, or somewhere in between?

Perhaps the pond, like the property belonging to Erin Crabill's family, was one of the photos Fawley took which LE happened upon. In that case, Erin came forward to identify the photo, and of course, that was where Taylor's body was found.

Perhaps LE is hoping for the same result, possibly containing evidence of the crime at the location of this pond.

Another possibility is that LE found the camera BF claimed was stolen the night Taylor disappeared (when he claimed he was captured by unknowns who placed a bag over his head). If LE found that camera, and it contained a photo of a pond, which was taken the night Taylor disappeared, perhaps the pond is somehow linked to her murder.

IMO

[jace]

Hey Paula, I wish I could answer that. I was in the room but not really paying attention. I heard the name Taylor Behl and looked at the TV. I saw the pictures, which honestly looked like they could have been taken anywhere. Alot of trees and a rather large pond. They didn't say where the pond was located and since they asked if anyone recognized it I assumed they didn't know where it was. Seems a little hard to believe. That's a good theory though about them finding the camera. Hopefully there willl be something in the paper this morning. I'm not sure where you are but they replay the news on Cox Channel 5 (Hampton Roads) here but I'm not able to see it today cuz I'm at work.

[jace]

I was looking at another site and found some info on the pictures. I was beginning to think I had imagined it after looking all other the local tv sites.
There is an article at http://www.dailypress.com/news/loca...p-news-local-mp

[jace]

Oops. This link works:


http://www.dailypress.com/news/local...-news-local-mp

[TN_Profiler]

The wooded pond in the photos, Lauziere conceded, "may have no significance. "But based on where we found the photos, we believe it may have some significance. It may help us fill in any gaps. It's important to know everything we can know."

Based on this quote from the article linked above ..... it sure indicates this may have come from a camera belonging to Benny Boy. The other thought is that it is from a camera belonging to Taylor. (assuming she even had one)????

I have two thoughts .... they are still trying to locate some missing items that Taylor owned (cell phone, etc..) and maybe Benny Boy commented that he through them into a pond. The other thought is they are walking on the properties that Benny Boy photographed to see if there is anything thing else that indicates criminal activity.

My instincts tell me that this was on one of BF's camera's AFTER the fact. Camera's collect photographs sequentially and they may have determined this by date or by the sequence of what was filmed. Hmmmm, interesting to say the least.

[nibblet]

Don't you think Erin and her family and especially Mathews County LE would recognize the pond if it were in their area?

I wonder if it isn't on the way back to Richmond or more towards Virginia Beach - he sometimes wrote about going to Va Beach.

It would be nice if they posted the pictures so the public could help....

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by nibblet
Don't you think Erin and her family and especially Mathews County LE would recognize the pond if it were in their area?

I think if the pond was on their land they would be able to identify it.

The picture must be taken from the shoreline and that in itself will make it hard to identify. You would need to have a picture that disclosed enough of the pond so size could be determined.

Agreed, they should post the photo so residents can help.

[nibblet]

Here are the pictures of the pond.


http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4177765&nav=23ii


Okay middle peninsula, lower peninsula, Richmond, and Northern Neck folks, recognize this area?

[TN_Profiler]

Way to go Nibblet!

I am hopeful that someone will recognize the pond but after looking at the pictures it will be easy to understand why it will be hard.

[nibblet]

I wish these could be enlarged - across the pond/lake in the background it looks as if there are some sort of low-level structures - looks as if there is either a small shoreline or a wall - maybe a small dam - can't tell very well.

On the right side of the pond/lake there looks to be a moss-like film on the water.

I sure wish these pix were larger. I am in the Richmond area, and this looks to me like there may be 1-2 boats in the distance and a dock, so possibly a branch off of one of the rivers???

[nibblet]

I can enlarge the pictures somewhat with Microsoft Picture Manager and not distort them.

It looks almost as if these were taken through a window. There seems to be some sort of white flash-back in the lower part of the pictures - plus a bit of hazy glare like color bleed to the left side.

Plus, some slight white foam from wave action lapping the shore in the foreground.

I can see why you think there could be boats in the background 4MYGUYS.

nibblet can you post your pix? Also I think the orange bits on the right could be orange trumpet vine flowers, common & wild in this area. It really looks like a dock and boats in the distance the more I look at it.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by 4MYGUYS
nibblet can you post your pix? Also I think the orange bits on the right could be orange trumpet vine flowers, common & wild in this area. It really looks like a dock and boats in the distance the more I look at it.

I don't know how I can post -- we have had some people on this board who are really good with enlarging pics and have the capability to post to a site. I just need to remember their names...

Do you have Microsoft Office Picture Manager? I have also Adobe Photoshop but it distored the picture.

I copied the pictures to my desktop (.jpg) and then right clicked on one of them. Opened with Picture Manager.

I then selected Edit Picture. Then selected Resize and gradually enlarged with Percentage of Original Width and Height.

It's a crying shame that such a lovely place might be connected to such a horrific crime!

IMO

[LADY2NOW]

It would be a great idea if LE circulated the pond pictures to local real estate offices. I'll bet there's a realtor out there who could identify the location....

I did what nibblet said to do (save picture to computer) and here's my take on it:
It looks to me like that is a stone wall (short and not manmade) with cars parked to the left. It looks to me as if the pictures were taken out a window with a screen. I can see some of the screen mesh. To the right there seems to be shallow water. I don't know if it's green, or if it's just that shallow that you see the bed. Hmmmm...interesting.

JMO

Slightly better pictures and a video report courtesy of Richmond, VA NBC12

http://www.wwbt.com/servlet/Satellit...=1128768414918

Here's slightly better versions than the ones I posted earlier tonight...

http://www.fredericksburg.com/News/F...005/1133306329

Credit to Websleuths forum

Sorry to keep reposting. Darn 5-minute limit on editing existing posts.

Google pointed me to this article from NBC4. While the article itself contains nothing new, it had an even better picture of the pond in question. Playing w/ the address of the image, I found a 640x480 version.

The article:
http://www.nbc4.com/news/5426588/detail.html

NBC4's "enlarged" version:
http://www.nbc4.com/image/5429213/detail.html

Even better version:
http://images.ibsys.com/2005/1129/5429213.jpg

well this is the best I can do without any fancy dancy image software... I used micro. frontpage to enlarge the images.

***these are fairly large images, so it may take a bit to load when using dialup***

www.chokechain.net/tb.html

excuse the website that the images are hosted on... couldn't keep the original blowup size when using photobucket and didn't feel like searching for another company to host.

[TN_Profiler]

Wow, you guys are really making me feel computer illiterate. Thanks for the enhancements! Great job!

Stupid question - how do we know this is a pond and not a stream/river? From the pics, it is not conclusive to me.

Any thoughts?

[jace]

Thanks. I was burning my eyes out trying to find something in those small pics I had. I had picked up on the face before looking at your smaller pictures where you point that out. Does it look like a skull to anyone else? I wondered if maybe it was a reflection from something on someone's t-shirt.

Originally posted by TN_Profiler
Wow, you guys are really making me feel computer illiterate. Thanks for the enhancements! Great job!

Stupid question - how do we know this is a pond and not a stream/river? From the pics, it is not conclusive to me.

Any thoughts?

Howdy TN!

Although I am by no means a waterways expert, there is a "duck pond" within walking distance to me, in Bronxville, where I love to take walks.

It looks much like the photo, complete with the surface pond scum, which is visible in the photos supplied by our posters.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by jace
Thanks. I was burning my eyes out trying to find something in those small pics I had. I had picked up on the face before looking at your smaller pictures where you point that out. Does it look like a skull to anyone else? I wondered if maybe it was a reflection from something on someone's t-shirt.

If you go over to RiehlWorld and look at some of the pictures there, the first one shows what looks like a face upside down. (lower right-hand corner, to the left of the greenery). When you turn it around, the picture looks like a skull--sunken eyes...eerie.

I know very little about photography but it seems he was overlaying pictures or something happened with his camera. It gives the effect that he was shooting through a window.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...ehl/index.html

I'd like to see a better blow up of the picture with the white in the background - low structures or inclines of white sand????

Originally posted by nibblet


If you go over to RiehlWorld and look at some of the pictures there, the first one shows what looks like a face upside down. (lower right-hand corner, to the left of the greenery). When you turn it around, the picture looks like a skull--sunken eyes...eerie.

I know very little about photography but it seems he was overlaying pictures or something happened with his camera. It gives the effect that he was shooting through a window.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...ehl/index.html

I'd like to see a better blow up of the picture with the white in the background - low structures or inclines of white sand????

Hi there Nibblet!

I can't help but wonder if LE found BF's "stolen" camera and found this picture on the film.

I agree that it does appear that the photo might have been taken through a window (such as from a vehicle). I wonder if LE thought about taking a photo from Taylor's car to see if they capture the same space view as the pond photo?

It's great to see you!

Hi Folks,
It is good to have something new released for us to discuss and investigate.
Here is a link to court tv's Crime Library article.
It is dated today. By Steve Huff

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori...nd_photos.html

This article suggests that the pictures were found on BF's computer.

Originally posted by spiderwalk
Hi Folks,
It is good to have something new released for us to discuss and investigate.
Here is a link to court tv's Crime Library article.
It is dated today. By Steve Huff

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori...nd_photos.html

This article suggests that the pictures were found on BF's computer.

That is what I was going to say. I thought that they might have been able to discover that stuff from his computer. We know for sure that they have his computer. We are not sure and just speculating that they found his "stolen" camera.

I doubt that the camera will ever be discovered. He seemed to plan this thing out way too well to just hide the camera. He may still have the memory card but I think that the camera is history. Just MO.

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by spiderwalk
Hi Folks,
It is good to have something new released for us to discuss and investigate.
Here is a link to court tv's Crime Library article.
It is dated today. By Steve Huff

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori...nd_photos.html

This article suggests that the pictures were found on BF's computer.

Thanks, spiderwalk, for the article and to everyone else who has posted the pictures. Like TN_P, I wonder why authorities are so sure they're looking for a pond. Some of the enlargements of one of the pictures look as though they could have been taken from my own backyard on a late spring or summer day, and I live near the head of a navigable creek that flows into one of Virginia's major rivers. I wonder if LE was able to recover BF's file names for these pics--maybe his file names suggest a pond.

There does appear to be either a boat or a white vehicle just to the right of the building(s). In one of the pics, the building looks to me like it could be a two-story house. IMO, all of the little white dots on the water are either tree blossoms on the water 's surface or tiny ripples on the surface that the sunlight picked up.

I wish some of the news stations/print media had provided more/better prints of the pic with the building in it!

As I stated before, I wish LE would circulate these pics among the real estate dealers in the area (Middle Peninsula, Northern Neck). If that really is a house in the picture, some, if not many, realtors are sure to know where it is. Most of the real estate dealers around here know the area like the backs of their hands!

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by nibblet



I'd like to see a better blow up of the picture with the white in the background - low structures or inclines of white sand????

On second thought, I think you're right, nibblet. I played around some with the pics and the more I look at the white, it's looking more and more like sand and possibly a pier or dock (no two-story structure like I thought before--the perspective is all wrong...duh!). Is it normal, though, for so much pristine-looking sand to be at the edge of a pond? I just don't know.

Does anyone have any idea what that vertical oblong structure is (it's sort of greenish brown)? In the pic that shows the "face", it's just to the left of the "face". In the pic with the white background, it's sort of in the right center. It appears to me to be in the water, not on the far shore. It doesn't look like a duck blind. If this is a pond we're looking at and not a creek or river inlet, could it be an aerator or pump (in case it's a stocked pond)? Are aerator's that big?

[nibblet]

Hi Paula! Hope you (and everyone else) had a good Thanksgiving!

Well, I have now pulled out the BIG magnifying glass. I now think that what I originally thought was a low wall is now just a variation in the flow and color of the water.

And, I think the white "things" are inclines of sand or maybe even rock.

Though, in one of the pictures in the far upper-left, it almost looks like a tower in the distance - maybe a cell tower or one with electrical lines.

I don't think the distance across the water is that far. It is interesting that the Steve Huff article suggested an old filled in construction quarry -- brought back memories of going to old quarries near Harrisonburg while in college. Neat little swimming holes.

But, this site reminds me of property we own in Westmoreland County. We have an unbuilt lot in a community off the river - many little inlets with boat slips; several ponds/lakes for swimming and fishing with basically no wide sandy beaches. Same vegetation.

But then again, the eastern side of Virginia has many, many scenes just like this.

I wonder if LE has had any luck with tips yet...

[nibblet]

Originally posted by LADY2NOW


Does anyone have any idea what that vertical oblong structure is (it's sort of greenish brown)? In the pic that shows the "face", it's just to the left of the "face". In the pic with the white background, it's sort of in the right center. It appears to me to be in the water, not on the far shore. It doesn't look like a duck blind. If this is a pond we're looking at and not a creek or river inlet, could it be an aerator or pump (in case it's a stocked pond)? Are aerator's that big?

Hey Lady!

I think I see what you are talking about but I haven't a clue - a huge rock?

[curious mom]

If you go to the link below, there is an article written about the pictures. If you click on the link within that article, there is a very good blown up picture with some of the things being discussed here highlighted.

I also saved the blown up picture to my computer, and blew it up even more with IrfanView. You can blow it up this way several times without losing the resolution.

http://taylorbehl.notagz.com/

Originally posted by LADY2NOW


I wonder if LE was able to recover BF's file names for these pics--maybe his file names suggest a pond.

Lady,

From looking at most of BF's pictures on the web I did take notice that most of the titles of his pictures were changed to resemble what was in the picture. (lefties are usually more perceptive than righties, we also die sooner, me being left handed took notice to silly details like this) Obviously he had to alter the titles. I don't know how techie you are but with digital cameras the file is saved with some preconfigured file names in sequential order (sony = msc00001.jpg, olympus=OLM00001.jpg, etc). Maybe he just changed the names of the pictures he posted. He might not have changed all the file names and that is why LE is looking for public help. Who knows. Just a hunch.

Originally posted by curious mom
If you go to the link below, there is an article written about the pictures. If you click on the link within that article, there is a very good blown up picture with some of the things being discussed here highlighted.

I also saved the blown up picture to my computer, and blew it up even more with IrfanView. You can blow it up this way several times without losing the resolution.

http://taylorbehl.notagz.com/

Thanks for the great link curious mom! IMO when looking at the pictures I don't see any docks, structures or towers. The pond appears to be too small in diameter and distance to have anything more than a slight rocky shore line on it's borders.

I did note that the leaves on one of the trees are starting to turn red and orange. That may be a clue as to when the picture was taken. Does anyone know what kind of tree it is? or when the earliest time of the fall season the leaves start to turn colors in that area?

[curious mom]

"when the earliest time of the fall season the leaves start to turn colors in that area?"

I'm in more of the southern/central part of Va, and the leaves started turning here very late Sept or very early Oct. Richmond is warmer than our area here, so it should have been later than this when the leaves started turning there.

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by spiderwalk


Thanks for the great link curious mom! IMO when looking at the pictures I don't see any docks, structures or towers. The pond appears to be too small in diameter and distance to have anything more than a slight rocky shore line on it's borders.

I did note that the leaves on one of the trees are starting to turn red and orange. That may be a clue as to when the picture was taken. Does anyone know what kind of tree it is? or when the earliest time of the fall season the leaves start to turn colors in that area?

I'm in the Northern Neck part of Virginia. Though our autumn eventually got off to a late start this year, we had a very dry spell from late August through about mid-October. During that time, a few leaves started changing color and falling--trees with smaller leaves seemed to take the biggest hit. Once the rains came in mid-October, the trees went "back to normal" and then didn't change until November.

The specks on the water might be leaves. I've looked at the pics over and over and I can't tell if the far shoreline is rocky (suggesting riprap that is generally used to control erosion from tidal action, which would not be an issue on a pond) or just a lot of "leaves" or ripples in the water. The vertical structure I mentioned earlier is really sort of a short stumpy thing that can be faintly seen right of center in the picture with the whitish background and left of center in the picture with the "face". It may just be vegetation, but it's kind of compact in nature.

Thanks also curiousmom for reminding me about the method used by digital cameras for naming files. I was just assuming (maybe wrongly) that since the investigator said the pics were found in deleted files on one of BF's computers that BF had probably re-named the files. Since you're a "lefty", you probably pick up on a lot of things us "righties" pass right over!

[Dorkette]

Hi Lady2now,
That is a great idea about sending the photos to real estate agents! I am going to suggest that to the investigators.

Dorkette

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by Dorkette
Hi Lady2now,
That is a great idea about sending the photos to real estate agents! I am going to suggest that to the investigators.

Dorkette

Hi Dorkette,

For a quick list of real estate brokers in the Middle Peninsula and Northern Neck, investigators can go to

http://www.chesapeakebayva.com/

I hope that investigators are able to come up with the location of these pics quite soon. You are in my prayers.

--Sue