Where Are the Reports?

[Jennifer33]

I have a hard time going through daily life without hearing more of this case. It's staggering, the number of cases like this that everyone gets involved in...then BOOM...it's quiet. What's going on here? Isn't there more going on right now? I'm afraid this like the Natalie Holloway case is growing cold...no more people being questioned...no more reports.

I would drown in my own tears if my daughter was killed and time still marched on with so many questions.

This world is becoming too much to bare.

I’d imagine that a lot has to do with the gag order.

We probably know much more than we should in the first place.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Jennifer33


This world is becoming too much to bare.

Jennifer - don't jump off the Big, Blue Marble just yet. While the world does have it's share of tragedy, there are many talented and qualified people who are working on this case behind closed doors.

The gag order, as previously mentioned, is the reason the media has slowed down coverage. As far as the Natalee Holloway case goes ..... I am not confident there will ever be a conviction and I have serious doubts she will ever be found.

Originally posted by TN_Profiler


Jennifer - don't jump off the Big, Blue Marble just yet. While the world does have it's share of tragedy, there are many talented and qualified people who are working on this case behind closed doors.

The gag order, as previously mentioned, is the reason the media has slowed down coverage. As far as the Natalee Holloway case goes ..... I am not confident there will ever be a conviction and I have serious doubts she will ever be found.

Good Morning TN!

I agree with you re the Taylor Behl case, as her mother, Janet Pelasara, who recently appeared on CC's show, stated she is not concernerned over the delay in beinging BF to justice. She stated BF is where he should be and can't harm anyone else, and feels that since he will remain there, she agrees that the DA should take as much time as they need to build a solid case against BF.

Unless they have evidence to prove the contrary, I am not convinced that they can secure a First Degree Murder conviction against BF, but I feel confident he will either be convicted or take a plea deal.

Re the Natalee Holloway case, which I am also following, IMO, if enough pressure is placed on the Aruban government, i.e., severely reduced tourism revenues, (The USA is their main source @70%) from an Island dependent upon tourism for its financial existence) then I believe they will prosecute the trio, for they have ample evidence to do so, from the tape where Deepak makes his incriminating statement and from the multitude of changed stories (some incriminating) the three have given throughout their interrogations.

IMO

[TN_Profiler]

Paula,

You are right on the money, with Ben behind bars with little or no chance of getting bounced out on bail, the prosecution is dotting the "i's" and crossing "t's".

While Murder 1 is a possibility, a conviction of a lesser charge will still keep Benny-boy behind bars for a long time. I think he will be prosecuted for the other charges if M1 is reduced. Needless to say he is collectively up the creek. (insert missing paddle)

Holloway - without a significant effort of the U.S. restricting travel to Aruba, you will not see that kangaroo country bring the 3 Amigo's to trial. I can't for the life of me understand how 3 people can openly admit to a sexual assault and still not be arrested for it. What a mockery of justice. How sad for that poor girl. Her life, like Taylor's was ended way, way too early. Neither of them ever had a chance to live the best part of life.

[poplife]

you will not see that kangaroo country bring the 3 Amigo's to trial.

OT- never heard this expression before and I am an Aussie, what does this mean?

[Jennifer33]

Originally posted by TN_Profiler


Jennifer - don't jump off the Big, Blue Marble just yet. While the world does have it's share of tragedy, there are many talented and qualified people who are working on this case behind closed doors.

The gag order, as previously mentioned, is the reason the media has slowed down coverage. As far as the Natalee Holloway case goes ..... I am not confident there will ever be a conviction and I have serious doubts she will ever be found.

I'll hang in there TN...it's just overwhelming sometimes to sit through a news cast...my husband and I look at each other and then at our 10 year old daughter, and just shake our heads.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Jennifer33


I'll hang in there TN...it's just overwhelming sometimes to sit through a news cast...my husband and I look at each other and then at our 10 year old daughter, and just shake our heads.

All I can say is use the available material (America's Most Wanted site is good) to teach your child how to protect herself. You want to protect your child and shield them as much as possible but they need to have the knowledge and skills too.

There are plenty of people in this world who look for opportunity against vulnerable people. Just come to Memphis and watch our news. You are not alone, I shake my head too.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by poplife
you will not see that kangaroo country bring the 3 Amigo's to trial.

OT- never heard this expression before and I am an Aussie, what does this mean?

Variation of "Kangaroo Court", which are set up on baseball teams to fine teammates for trivial things. They have no real authority.

Kangaroo Country is my way of saying the Aruban authorities are no better than a flimsy buch of keystone cops who wouldn't know a suspect if they walked into the police station with blood dripping off their hands.

This in no way is related to anything Australian. By the way, Australia is one of my favorite places in the world. I proposed to my wife on Hamilton Island.

Cairns & Hamilton Island

[poplife]

Thanks, TN, I never would have wrapped my head around that w/o the 'splanation! Yes, it's beautiful there, I have family in NZ, Australia (all over) and Tasmania, I'm a first borner myself but I've visited a few times. Thanks again!

[nibblet]

This was posted on Taylor's site

http://www.taylorbehl.notagz.com/

"The only named suspect in Taylor's murder, Ben Fawley, was in court on Monday for a preliminary hearing on the 16 counts of child pornography charges. The case was continued until December 14, 2005. The private investigator hired by Taylor's family, Bubba Bates, said that the continuance will keep Fawley behind bars until the grand jury in Mathews County, where Taylor's remains were found, can convene on November 21, 2005. It is that grand jury that is expected to indict Fawley for the death of Taylor Behl."

Originally posted by Jennifer33


This world is becoming too much to bare.

Point well made and well taken. Y'all will excuse me while I put my clothes on.

Lily
too bare too often

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by nibblet
This was posted on Taylor's site

http://www.taylorbehl.notagz.com/

"The only named suspect in Taylor's murder, Ben Fawley, was in court on Monday for a preliminary hearing on the 16 counts of child pornography charges. The case was continued until December 14, 2005. The private investigator hired by Taylor's family, Bubba Bates, said that the continuance will keep Fawley behind bars until the grand jury in Mathews County, where Taylor's remains were found, can convene on November 21, 2005. It is that grand jury that is expected to indict Fawley for the death of Taylor Behl."

Hey nibblet!

Thought I'd move your post from another thread to this one 'cause I think it fits better here (I always was the one my family thought was the "organizer"--also, I hope this kind of "moving and organizing is 'allowed'"):

Your post: "The Washington area stations have been reporting since yesterday that prosecutors will have an indictment soon - not mentioning in their reports if out of Richmond or Mathews County."

Now, to back it up, here's the latest from

http://www.taylorbehl.notagz.com/

"After nearly a week with little activity to report on Taylor's case, reports about Janet Pelasara's visit to Richmond and to Mathews County tell us that she is making sure the case does not lose its steam. On Tuesday, Ms. Pelasara made the drive to Richmond and spoke with members of the task force that is still actively investigating the death of her daughter. Ms. Pelasara says, "It was something I personally had to do. I wanted to see the faces. I wanted to meet the people who are working on this case." Taylor's mother says that there was only one person that she was not allowed to visit on her trip and that is the man suspected of killing Taylor. When Ms. Pelasara said that the investigators laughed when she asked if she could visit with Ben Fawley. Later, she made the trip over to Mathews County to meet with the Commonwealth's Attorney to discuss the investigation.


Ms. Pelasara continues to indicate that she has confidence in the manner the investigators are handling the case. She says, "They know better than me how to proceed with this case." She also said that there is still a lot of unanswered questions about Taylor's final day of life. She also said that prosecutors plan to present evidence to a Mathews County grand jury when they meet later this month. All indications are that an idictment is expected once the case is given to the grand jury. Probably the most frustrating of all is that the Medical Examiner's office still lists the cause of death as "pending." Janet says "The forensic tests are still being performed. The death certificate says 'pending,' which would lead one to believe that they are going to come up with a find." She also says that despite the claims by Fawley that Taylor died during a consensual sexual encounters, that Taylor was taken was not with Fawley of her own free will."

[nibblet]

Originally posted by LADY2NOW


... The death certificate says 'pending,' which would lead one to believe that they are going to come up with a find." She also says that despite the claims by Fawley that Taylor died during a consensual sexual encounters, that Taylor was taken was not with Fawley of her own free will."

Thanks Lady! Organize away!

This is the most info we've had in awhile.

The statement, about Taylor being taken not of her own free will makes me wonder if she was found bound in some way and they found something to that effect.

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by nibblet

...
The statement, about Taylor being taken not of her own free will makes me wonder if she was found bound in some way and they found something to that effect.

I know what you're saying and it's the reason I started the thread about the abduction angle! The MC (Mathews County) Grand Jury is being convened in order to support the abduction angle of the case, and the call from LE to "Mathews County Residents" specifically about their spotting the car and/or license plates between the time of Taylor's disappearance and 9/17, plus my own "feelings" about the case (maybe forensics have shown that Taylor's remains were not as deteriorated as they should have been if she'd died late on 9/05 or early on 9/06) makes me believe that the "abduction" angle of this case is far more important than we've been giving it credit for (and not just because it would make it a capital offense--maybe they really do have solid forensic evidence of abduction, ie., not just that her body was discovered in the County but that, when she arrived, she was alive.)

[Jennifer33]

Originally posted by nibblet


Thanks Lady! Organize away!

This is the most info we've had in awhile.

The statement, about Taylor being taken not of her own free will makes me wonder if she was found bound in some way and they found something to that effect.

I truly believe many more pieces of this terrible story will depend on the manner of death. It would do us all good to find that she was bound in some way ~ as a message from Taylor herself that she wasn't killed during "rough" sex.

Originally posted by Jennifer33


I truly believe many more pieces of this terrible story will depend on the manner of death. It would do us all good to find that she was bound in some way ~ as a message from Taylor herself that she wasn't killed during "rough" sex.

It has been said that Taylor's body was severely decomposed, categorized as "skeletal remains". Oftentimes, when bodies are recovered in this condition, it is difficult to determine a cause of death, and although it was previously determined that the the manner of death was murder, BF is now claiming that Taylor's death was accidental.

If there were signs of a struggle, e.g., injuries to any of her bones, then BF's allegations of Taylor's death as being an accident might be disproved.

IMO

Hopefully maybe someone can clarify this, do we know how long the gag order is effective for? Would it expire after the grand jury indictment or would it continue until jury selection (assuming BF is indeed indicted and goes to trial). Or would it be up to the judge who issued the order..?

[LADY2NOW]

Originally posted by Jennifer33


I truly believe many more pieces of this terrible story will depend on the manner of death. It would do us all good to find that she was bound in some way ~ as a message from Taylor herself that she wasn't killed during "rough" sex.

I don't think that Taylor was killed during consensual "rough" sex, at least, not "rough" sex as she might have understood the term. How, at 17 years of age, can you know what you're consenting to when it comes to erotic asphyxiation with a person such as BF? Although it would answer a lot of questions, I do not think that it will do us all good to find that she was bound in some way, and conscious, while this was taking place (it will help a jury convict BF, but it will give us nightmares for years to come as we imagine what Taylor endured). Whatever happened that night or whenever she died (I'm still not convinced that she died that very night) I hope that she was drugged or otherwise incapacitated to the point where she didn't know what was happening nor what the outcome would be. This is my nightmare--that she knew what was happening and couldn't do anything about it. I hope that she herself was able to make some kind of statement about her end that forensics can uncover.

[nibblet]

Maybe they found drugs that incapacitate a person during the search(es).

I watched Nancy Grace tonight. They were discussing the Carlie Bruscha trial. Carlie's body was found in severe decomposition and this was after 4 days. I didn't realize how quickly a body could decompose - I realize she was in the Florida heat but that caught my attention.

I speak from experience when I tell you, if BF doesn't get murder1 he will still pay dearly for this crime. I'm a Physician R.N. at the Bastrop Federal Corrections Institute in Bastrop, Texas. Every day I witness the broken bones, beatings, torture, rape, sodomy, and I see the bodies enter on thier feet, and a week later exit on thier back. These men here aren't just criminals, they're fathers, grandfathers, sons, and brothers of young girls just like Taylor. And when someone like Ben Fawley makes his way into one of these facilities his fate is almost sealed reguardless what his conviction is. They're ruthless. Granted they're in there for thier own reasons, most of them have very strong morals, and aren't affraid of consequence. BF only thinks he knows dominance, lust, and power. He's in for a seriously rude awakening. Everything he inflicted on poor Taylor is coming back 100 fold. These men (like BF) are often infected with HIV or other diseases. After an assault, the man's choices are usually to try to continue resisting and suffer the resulting beatings, or to become the sexual slave of another stronger inmate for protection. Another option is suicide. And that's just child predators in general. BF Fawley is a child predator, and more importantly a child KILLER. Child murderers/molesters get it far worse than anyone else, esp known child predators. This sicko's face has been plastered all over the media. There will be no hiding his crime. That night he killed Taylor he insured himself a much much much worse destiny. Too bad it's not against the law to be stupid as well.

[jace]

"These men (like BF) are often infected with HIV or other diseases. "

Blackspell, are you saying that BF has HIV or did I misunderstand your post? I haven't heard that before if it's true.

Originally posted by jace
"These men (like BF) are often infected with HIV or other diseases. "

Blackspell, are you saying that BF has HIV or did I misunderstand your post? I haven't heard that before if it's true.

You totally misunderstood....

NO BF is not HIV positive but it is only a matter of time before he is that and/or someone's sex slave and/or punching bag. He will pay ifor what he's done to Taylor, if not one way, then another.

That has got to be the best read I've seen on here in a long time, thanks for the first hand 411 Blackspell.

The Matthews County grand jury is coming Nov 21. If LE wants to release any info after that, I expect they will wait 'til after the Thanksgiving weekend in consideration of the Behl family. There might even be another grand jury session before an indictment.

One of the reasons for the grand jury is secrecy. Witnesses are not allowed to bring counsel into the grand jury room, they testify one at a time, don't know what the guy before them said, or what the guy after them will say. Testifying under penalty of perjury in a formal setting can bring out a little more than a police interview.

In this case, sadly, a lot of Taylor's friends will have to testify multiple times, helping to nail down the timeline, etc, establishing that a crime did occur. I bet they feel it's a solemn duty to the memory of Taylor, as tough at it is. The gas station clerk (where whats-his-name bought gas) will be there, and there may be others in Richmond and Matthews Co. that have come forward.

If, by chance, there's anyone who withheld information at first due to embarassment ("officer, I was smuggling elephant tusks when I saw something..."), or was told anything incriminating by BF after the crime, it should all come out. LE will be able to review the transcripts to see which stories match up, and which one doesn't, all in secret from BF.

F**kley is sitting in his cell, rehearsing his latest lies over and over. When the Murder One indictment finally comes down and he sees what the state has against him, he'll have to switch gears fast, and make up a new series of lies he won't be able to keep straight, and that will put him in the chair.*

"When their lies don't match your lies, well, I'm gonna hurt you. And not nice like before... but bad."
Sherriff Gene Hackman in "Unforgiven"

I'm predicting that after a fair trial, the jury will convict him of capital murder, deliberating for ninety-seven minutes, including lunch.

*(I DO hope F**kley chooses the electric chair instead of the needle!)

Thanks for the post smedley. It will be incredibly interesting to hear all the facts when they come out. I have a feeling the prosecution will have a slam dunk case and BF will be easily indicted. I can only imagine how his story will change in response. not that it will matter, no juror in their right mind would give his ever- changing tale a shred of credibility.

Well explained Tarabull, thank you for clarifying. I have complete faith in our justice system. And I think Ben Fawley will receive the maximum punishment for what he's done, aside from the future he's already promised himself. No one will be blindsided by some bogus story he comes up with. I feel bad for his attorney. It's gotta be a difficult task to try and defend an idiot like BF. Does anyone know if he was hired, or if he's court appointed?

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by smedley

"When their lies don't match your lies, well, I'm gonna hurt you. And not nice like before... but bad."
Sherriff Gene Hackman in "Unforgiven"

I'm predicting that after a fair trial, the jury will convict him of capital murder, deliberating for ninety-seven minutes, including lunch.

Smedley - you are my kind of person! I have now moved the quote you supplied from Unforgiven to my screen saver.

Do you really think lunch will take 96 minutes?

From what I understand, BF's lawyer is court appointed. Which makes sense seeing as he lives month to month on social security checks.
I definitley wouldn't want to be in his lawyer's shoes, having to defend scum like that would kill me.

[Dorkette]

As someone very close to Taylor's family I want to let everyone know how amazing it is that you are out there supporting Taylor. Some of the postings are easy to read and others aren't but know they are all being read.

BF will indeed get what is coming to him for his brutal murder of Taylor. BF is a coward and hopefully, the men in whatever prison he ends up in just might feel the need to love him to death.

He will not be charged on the 21st but that is okay - January is only around the corner and if not January then March. I would imagine the cell he is in is quite nasty and it isn't going to get any better for him.

[nibblet]

Originally posted by Dorkette
As someone very close to Taylor's family I want to let everyone know how amazing it is that you are out there supporting Taylor. Some of the postings are easy to read and others aren't but know they are all being read.

BF will indeed get what is coming to him for his brutal murder of Taylor. BF is a coward and hopefully, the men in whatever prison he ends up in just might feel the need to love him to death.

He will not be charged on the 21st but that is okay - January is only around the corner and if not January then March. I would imagine the cell he is in is quite nasty and it isn't going to get any better for him.

Welcome Dorkette!

Just know that there are quite a few of us keeping Taylor, Janet and the family in our prayers.

We're hoping that slimy piece of garbage gets his...

Dorkette,
The little we can do is to make sure justice is done. My best friends in Maryland are some of Taylor's cousins. I'm definitely not an "insider", this is not about me, but I wanted to explain...

I think anyone who knows even one member of Taylor's extended family knows they are good people. Taylor attended her 90 year old great-great aunt's wake in spring of 2005. I was at the funeral the next day, and missed out on meeting her, but I wanted to point out,

This kid showed up to honor the memory of her great-great aunt, the family is solid, from great grandma to the kids. Talk about Taylor being a "wild child" is just stupic.

for tn_profiler.. I gave you an inaccurate quote, but is gets the point across,,, here's a paraphrase of Clint from Unforgiven...

"when you kill someone, you take away everthing they have, and everything they're gonna have"

Taylor will never enjoy eating a cookie or a piece of cheese, never will enjoy anything.
That rat should be erased so he can't take pleasure in anything, not the least little thing.

Larry: "It was an accident, Moe."
Moe: "An accident, huh? Like when I accidentally pull this switch and give you two thousand volts?!" (Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz)

A great American once said: "IF HE'S CRAZY, LET A CLOWN PULL THE SWITCH."

[nibblet]

Originally posted by smedley
A great American once said: "IF HE'S CRAZY, LET A CLOWN PULL THE SWITCH."

Sounds like something to do with John Wayne Gacy....

I've said this before, but I will say it again. I think the interest and passion of everyone in this case is because it hits home for every body. Everyone relates to it some how. I know personally for me. It hasn't been that long since I was 17, since my freshman year of college, since some old creep tried to pick up on me, and my friends, since I was experimental with my then new found freedom, since I trusted someone I shouldn't have, since I've seen my mom scared to let go... And I know one day when I have a daughter, I'll be on the other side of it, but doing it all again. What happend to Taylor stings reality. For mothers, daughters, young women everywhere, and anyone that has a young lady they care about dearly. She truly was an angel, this girl has touched so many more lives than she ever could have known. God bless you Dorkette, and Taylors family. And especially Ms. Pelasara, that woman is roll model for all mothers, amongst other things...courage, strength, capability, justice. You are all in our hearts and prayers.

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Blackspell
God bless you Dorkette, and Taylors family. And especially Ms. Pelasara, that woman is roll model for all mothers, amongst other things...courage, strength, capability, justice. You are all in our hearts and prayers.

Nicely put Blackspell, and you can sign me up for those exact sentiments. There isn't a person in my neighborhood or my large corporate office who hasn't followed this case. They all share the same empathy for Taylor's family and friends.

Janet Pelasara demonstrated a strength that reminded me of Jackie Kennedy. Under the most dire of circumstances, both women were strong and focused when falling apart would have been completely acceptable and understandable. What an amazing character trait.

I think about Janet each and every day as do those around me. From Memphis, TN comes many thoughts and prayers to Vienna, Va.

[Dorkette]

Blackspell and TN Profiler, thank you for your kind words and encouragement for Janet - she truly appreciates your kindness. She doesn't feel those words are true since the death of Taylor hasn't really hit her. She is just doing what she feels in her heart that will keep the story alive and maybe just maybe some other young girl will think twice before going out alone and can be spared the violent torture that BF put Taylor through. Janet will be doing a show with Laci Peterson's mom and Natalie Holloway's mom which should air on Thanksgiving or the next night. Should be an interesting show - Greta has always been very nice and concerned and respectful towards Janet.

[TN_Profiler]

Dorkette,

I look forward to seeing the show Janet will be doing with Greta. I am inspired by her courage to stand up and speak out against violence and to remind us all that we can not tolerate this type of crime.

If there was one message you could relay to her, please let her know that there are countless people on this board who have been "pro Behl" from day 1. The thoughts, prayers and wishes for her, her family, and her friends have been a constant theme in every thread posted. These have come from all over the U.S. and even a few International guests on this forum.

If God really listens to prayers, then better days are ahead for Janet.

[Dorkette]

TN Profiler,
Have you listened to the tribute to Taylor on AcidPlanet.com? If not, have a listen and read some of the comments. I cry everytime I listen to it.
The thoughts and prayers coming in from so many people have just been overwhelming and totally appreciated. She has received hundreds of cards and gifts from total strangers and feels their comfort and sincerity.
If there is a God and I do believe there is, then there will have to be better days ahead for Janet and worse ones for BF.
Dorkette

[TN_Profiler]

Originally posted by Dorkette
TN Profiler,
Have you listened to the tribute to Taylor on AcidPlanet.com? If not, have a listen and read some of the comments. I cry everytime I listen to it.
Dorkette

Yes, I did see that lovely tribute because someone posted that link weeks ago on this site. It is a moving video and makes me sad when I see it. Why do bad things have to happen to nice people? It just isn't fair.

I read somewhere that Taylor gave her mom the nickname "Dorkette", so when I saw you use the same name I got a chuckle. Such a simple jesture of handing out nicknames speaks volumes about the playful spirit a of person. Getting a chance to learn about that side of Taylor is what makes me feel so sad because it is obvious she was going to add value to those around her throughout her life.

It is also what makes think about Janet and to say a prayer for her everyday.

Originally posted by keldawn77
From what I understand, BF's lawyer is court appointed. Which makes sense seeing as he lives month to month on social security checks.
I definitley wouldn't want to be in his lawyer's shoes, having to defend scum like that would kill me.

His lawyer is Chris Collins, who has defended 89 capital murder cases during his career.
http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet...=1031785264413