Richard Ramirez

[Jenna]

Originally Posted by sharlock

Doreen apparently beleives Richard is innocent which is the hardest thing for me to beleive.

Does she really expect us to believe that she really think he is innocent? Even in Philips book she said that if you love somebody you only see that persons good side and not the bad. To me, that meant that she knew he did it but looked the other way. And since he has made statements all over the place about him being guilty what is there to question?? It´s in writing and we can even hear his voice saying so on numerous videos here on the internet. Is she claiming they are fake?
Well...we all know she knows! But she wants to pretend she believe he is innocent so that we won´t blame her for being with him just as much. Well, it´s not working !

Ofcourse she married him for his good looks and publicity. She´s not fooling us...she´s probably not fooling him with that either. But she tries to fool herself. Poor woman!

[Jenna]

Originally Posted by Super Volcano

I always thought that she was sick in the head, with being turned on by his "bad boy" image, and also by the instant infamy she would gain by marrying him. R.R is one scary dude, even just looking at his ugly mug freaks me out.
He has NOTHING to offer his bride except for "you know what" and that is IT. If she had all of the cards in her deck, (she has about 1/2 in her deck) she would leave this freak, and find someone who is worth loving.

Which mug are you referring to? I´ve seen two...One is, as you say, really ugly. But the other on (the first) I actually think he looked pretty good. To be honest

If you want to see one REALLY scary ugly picture of him, check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPaLxYz8fI
(at about 3:12)
I hadn´t seen that one before until this video and wow...! I wonder if that´s the side of him his victims got to see?

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by Jenna

Which mug are you referring to? I´ve seen two...One is, as you say, really ugly. But the other on (the first) I actually think he looked pretty good. To be honest

If you want to see one REALLY scary ugly picture of him, check this one out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibPaLxYz8fI
(at about 3:12)
I hadn´t seen that one before until this video and wow...! I wonder if that´s the side of him his victims got to see?

I wish I knew what was being said, it looks really interesting.

[Jenna]

Originally Posted by sharlock

I wish I knew what was being said, it looks really interesting.

I know. I wish I had paid better attention in spanish classes at school Now I only understand every 10th word or so

[Super Volcano]

Originally Posted by Jenna

I know. I wish I had paid better attention in spanish classes at school Now I only understand every 10th word or so

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.

[Jenna]

Originally Posted by Super Volcano

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.

yes Richard speaks spanish. Probably better than he does english ! I know they spoke spanish within the family so...

[Serial Killer X]

Originally Posted by Jenna

Haha...so Bundy had a foot fetish aswell? *Lol* Imagine two real "tough" guys (irony) writing to each other about...feet!?! Now, that´s humor to me

About Doreen...When did she say that she was going to kill herself when Richard is executed? Did she say that recently or around the time when she first met him? Hopefully she has come to her senses by now. Maybe the delusion she´s been under is beginning to cease. Mr. good-looking high cheek bones Ramirez isn´t that mesmerizing any more! And by all likelihood it was his handsome looks that made her fall for him in the first place, what else could it have been?
It´s also hard to believe that they will actually execute Richard. He will probably die from some disease/old age before that happens!

Lol he did when he was on the run he stole credit cards so he could be stockings or shoes cant remember what it was but i know he did it. She said she is going to kill herself as soon as he is executed and i think she said it around the time they married. Yeah he'll die from old age most likely.

[Jenna]

Originally Posted by Serial Killer X

Lol he did when he was on the run he stole credit cards so he could be stockings or shoes cant remember what it was but i know he did it. She said she is going to kill herself as soon as he is executed and i think she said it around the time they married. Yeah he'll die from old age most likely.

well that´s humor Some addictions you can easily understand why ppl get drawn into...but some are just incomprehensible. Shoes and feet being one of those

I wonder if Doreen still feels that way?
..and why am I so interested in Ramires´s life? That´s also a riddle! Go get a lfe Jenna! *L*

[Serial Killer X]

Originally Posted by Super Volcano

I never thought that we would get to a point where to get a good job here in America, you have to know Spanish, too. I wonder if R.R speaks Spanish. He is a dirt bag, but one wonders.

Yeah i wonder he might do.

[Super Volcano]

Originally Posted by Serial Killer X

Yeah i wonder he might do.

HAHAHA I never really paid much attention to your new avatar. I LOVE it!!!

[Jenna]

Originally Posted by Serial Killer X

Yeah i wonder he might do.

As I´ve said a few posts up, Richard speaks spanish yes. They spoke spanish within the family. Richard has never lived in Mexico but his parents were born there and possibly even some of his siblings since he´s the youngest.
I think you can hear on his accent that it´s not a 100% american. Maybe now but not when he was caught.

[twistedviewlabs]

Originally Posted by wind149

This scumbag in southern CA in the 80's raped and killed several people. I am a little fuzzy as to how many, 14? and earned himself the moniker of the "Night Stalker" He terrorized LA and surrounding communities for months, police at first were hard pressed as to who he was as none of his victims lived tell about it till one night he broke into a home intent on raping a woman but she started screaming and he left. She gave a description to the police and they released a composite sketch to the media and if memory does serve me, a friend of his did think he resembled the drawing and was going to go to the police and a bunch of people saw him walking down a street and he looked so much like the guy they chased him down, somebody called the cops and before they could get there the mob went crazy on him.

you are correct with the number of counts he was charged with (though he claims far more, of course). your account of how he was actually captured is a little off though. he was also referred to as "The Valley Intruder" (most of his crimes were committed in the san fernando valley) and "The Walk-In Killer".
if you check wikipedia or even this site, there's a detailed account of what happened. as for your opinion of what rights a convicted rapist, child molester or murder has in prison...they should have NONE WHATSOEVER. in fact, i think once they are convicted and sentenced to death, the families of the victim(s) should be allowed to slowly torture them...then when THEY saw fit...open fire on them. to me, anyone who's convicted of a crime of that nature dehumanizes themselves so the question of what's humane and inhumane shouldn't even come into play...

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by twistedviewlabs

you are correct with the number of counts he was charged with (though he claims far more, of course). your account of how he was actually captured is a little off though. he was also referred to as "The Valley Intruder" (most of his crimes were committed in the san fernando valley) and "The Walk-In Killer".
if you check wikipedia or even this site, there's a detailed account of what happened. as for your opinion of what rights a convicted rapist, child molester or murder has in prison...they should have NONE WHATSOEVER. in fact, i think once they are convicted and sentenced to death, the families of the victim(s) should be allowed to slowly torture them...then when THEY saw fit...open fire on them. to me, anyone who's convicted of a crime of that nature dehumanizes themselves so the question of what's humane and inhumane shouldn't even come into play...

Very interesting nic you have. Welcome to Crime Library. We all have our different opinions and are glad to hear yours.

[Drumbum]

I'll be glad when they finally kill him.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Drumbum

I'll be glad when they finally kill him.

Oh yeah drummie it will be like tranquilizers only not. I have few cases I have been upset about but this one is so sick. So many good people to die. IMO

[Drumbum]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Oh yeah drummie it will be like tranquilizers only not. I have few cases I have been upset about but this one is so sick. So many good people to die. IMO

The men and women who caught him and the families have been waiting long enough. I see my letter to the Guvanator did no good.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Drumbum

The men and women who caught him and the families have been waiting long enough. I see my letter to the Guvanator did no good.

Interesting isnt it

[Drumbum]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Interesting isnt it

Our lovely, tangled legal system. We should take a page from the Russians and give em a bullet.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Drumbum

Our lovely, tangled legal system. We should take a page from the Russians and give em a bullet.

your sarcasm is true to you once again.

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by Reena

Hi You all...
Great to be here, but one thing is bothering me. VERY MUCH!!!
This Karin is really making me sad or mad.
I love my dear friends Richard and Doreen Ramirez, and when I saw That Karin would put Richards letter up puplic, it really burned in my eyes and gave me a hole in my stomic.
I wonder why ppl. can think that way???
Richard is sitting inthere, can not give his own opinion or replies of all of you ppl. say or write.
Yes Richard has feelings too, alot!!!
Doreen can sit in her home open up her computer and see ppl. being stubid and mean to both her and her husband...That is not nice...
Richard and Doreen loves eachother very much and that is the end of this argument you ppl. have on. Trust me it is real love, and the other girls you mention Richard is writing with...HA HA..lol!!! Think for your own, who is the one playing with who??? I can tell, but you all know.... I know you know!!!
Doreen has been through a lot ****, and she does NOT deserve to be talked about in that way, she is simply to sweet- polite and a warm- nice person to be a target of **** in some ppl. mouths!!!
I wonder if you ppl. have been in REAL love and would do anything for your wife and husband.... That is the greatest gift on earth- beside having children.
Richard has done things in his past, don´t we all- I have done alot of **** too...more worse than others...
And Richard and Doreen knows!!!! Dont tell them all the time...
A last I will tell you ppl. one thing -we are other ppl., who is near/close to this lovely couple, and we are lauging of your other ppl.`s IQ...
Have a great day...I will and I am sure Doreen and Richard will too!!!!

RR gave his "opinion" by raping, robbing, torturing, sodomizing and terrorizing Old People and Children. And Justice gave RR It's "Opinion."

RR does have feelings, BAD feelings. Do you think that the victims and thier families might have some feelings too?

RR has done things in the past......"We all have?" Speak for yourself.

You are laughing at other ppls IQ?

I will have a great day...When RR gets Justice for his actions.

Sorry about your eyes and your stomic. Maybe you should consult with a doctor.

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by Reena

Hi again Well it is ok, you all have your opinion, and I have mine.
When Doreen gets sad, because of someone misunderstood her or talks bad of her, I have to react as her friend. And I will allways do that for both her and Richard.
Well, Personality disorder is a sickness, which comes either of born with it ( I am- from my mother), And it has gets a lot worse because of bad childhood and so on... Dont feel soory for me, that is NOT why I am writing it....
Richard has been through a lot of the same, and we are just as hurt inside, and have become a very dark mind...YES...Very dark lusts and way of thinking...
Have a lot diffrent way to think, than "NORMAL" ppl.
I hope you get the picture now....Meds. is helping me...
Richard did not get help before he got in jail....
All this is why Richard and I are friends...
We see eachother in eachother and can talk without any one calls us sick or all kind of stubid things...
Doreen is one of the few"NORMAL" thinking ppl. who can see the good in us, and respect our dark mind...
So do my husband, and yes I am a very loving and carring mother and wife...
I just have my dark side and lust...I forfill through Richard, movies and books..
This is enough for me, hope you will try understand.. Dont step on ppl. you really dont know...
All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then.... Yes Richard thinks very different now, he has learn ppl. has feelings and can be nice on this planet... Just as I tought through my husband...
Be nice to Doreen, PLEACE!!!!

Let me get this straight...."All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then...."

It is more then "not good." What if were YOUR child or Husband or Sister was who had "got in his way?"

I am glad that RR is different now. 22+ years caged up like a rabid dog will do that to one's ways of "thinking."

I glad he has learned that ppls has "feelings" Now Justice needs to be served.

I am sorry for your "illness," and you might want to seek professional help. Especially if you and RR think alike, as you stated before.

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by Wandering

Oh, it's all so romantic, isn't it? You are a character in a Victorian novel.

You should spend some time with the survivors of his victims. It's not pretty. I happen to know one of them, and his life is destroyed.

Richard is a weasel. Too bad the mob wasn't allowed to finish the job. Usually you can't find a cop when you need one.

RR destroyed many lives.

I know what you mean...What are the odds of finding a cop when you need one. Let alone finding one in East L.A. when you need one.

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by Brave38

As for the People that have a Problem with Doreen Ramirez
Wife of Richard Ramirez. I think you need to lay off her and leave her
alone she's not Bothering any one. she had a Right to Choose and Marry
Richard if she wants to. I Frequent stay in touch with Doreen thru Email's to
her. I think she's a great lady. and friend and she is not a Groupie and some Jerks call her she Truly loves Richard. as for the Bimbo that wants to know what a 666Angel I got that name from my Group I was in if it's any of your
Business. as for my Self I wish Richard was free also he would be more than
welcome to come and Live with me. Yes I'm a Satanist aslo no I don't beleive in Violence but Richard will always be my Friend and have a place in my Heart
Bravewolf

Richard should not have been allowed to Marry. He gave up his rights when he started slaughtering people and taking away THIER rights.

I wish California would just give RR his "dose" and move on down the road.

"Yes I'm a Satanist aslo no I don't beleive in Violence but Richard will always be my Friend and have a place in my Heart" FYI RR believes in violence. Doesnt that pose a kind of conflict of interests?

Wish he was free all you want. Aint gonna change anything though.

Have a Nice Day.

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by REALGUIDO

RR gave his "opinion" by raping, robbing, torturing, sodomizing and terrorizing Old People and Children. And Justice gave RR It's "Opinion."

RR does have feelings, BAD feelings. Do you think that the victims and thier families might have some feelings too?

RR has done things in the past......"We all have?" Speak for yourself.

You are laughing at other ppls IQ?

I will have a great day...When RR gets Justice for his actions.

Sorry about your eyes and your stomic. Maybe you should consult with a doctor.

LOL, I love it when people who can't even master spell check talk about others IQ! Good to see you are still around RG! Hope things are okay for you and yours!

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by BraveW

To Drumbum
I'm responding to your message about following Richard to the
Death chamber. Hell I don't care what People think of me I don't care
if they say I'm crazy Stupid or what ever name they wish to call me if the Law
would allow I would be more than willing to Richard Sexy Ramirez to the Death
chamber. I wish I could find a Loop hole in the Law that would actually
allow me to be straped down on a Gurney next to Richard when he's put to
death oneday, I don't fear death at all just like Sexy Richard I will see you in
Disney land I wish I could take my Rightful place beside my Favorite friend
Richard on that day I just wish it could be allowed by law I want to lay right be side my Friend on his final day here on Earth but hear my Warning Richard
will be Avenged so Mote it be. I summon Satan to go forth and Free Richard
from his Prison Cell
The666Angel
Bravewolf

WOW....That didnt work.....What next? More "moteing?" My God is stronger then Your God. Read The Bible...."My God Wins."

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by RogerV

Some time back a rumor was reported that Ramirez was ill and likely to die of natural causes before he could be exectuted. Does anyone know if there was anything to this story, or was it just a story?

In 2005 RR was taken from SQ to an undisclosed hospital in SF for resperitory problems. The articles was at SFGATE.com (Not sure if that is the link, but that was where it was posted.) I think it was June 2005.

There have also been rumors from "Prison Guards" who claim he is in "ill health."

Or you can just believe his "wife" Doreen who says he is as fit as a fiddle.

Lets just say "prison life" hasnt been "agreeing" with him.

You can also find out the status on ALL of his Appeals here.....

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.g...&doc_id=327756

Please take note of the terms "HC Denied" and "Death Sentence affirmed." You can actually download a PDF of his entire appeals case so you dont have to take the word from me, or his "wife."

Hope that helps dispell the myths.

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by wind149

Grind very slowly in CA! Tookie Williams a POS who in 1979 murdered 4 people in cold blood and was not executed for 24 years!!! I find it hard to wrap my mind around why RR has not been executed yet either, he terrorized an entire city for weeks, he raped as well as murdered and is a devout Satanist! No, instead he sits in San Q and has visits with his blushing bride Doreen who is a sick puppy in her own right, she actually thinks and I quote: "He is a warm and loving human being, he is kind and gentle" BARF! Kinda hard to rape and torture a woman behind bars! She holds court over the other sick puppy groupies because she married him and that galls me to my last nerve. This POS murdered 14 people and he got to get married, he has color cable TV in his cell, three hots, can go outside and bask in the warm CA air, can have visits with wifey and the most disgusting part, he still has appeals left with the courts to save his sorry ass from execution probably for another 10 years!!

I fully expect to be in my grave when they execute Scott Peterson and I am 50! CA needs to follow TX, they don't bask on the taxpayers very long in TX and this past month, they have executed I think 3 real sick puppies and in TX they are locked down 23 hours, they don't associate with other inmates, they can exercise in a dog cage an hour a day and visits are only granted near the execution date, they get 3 hots a day and they don't have cable or AC and this is how they should live, with only the basics and FL also follows TX, they can only have 13' B&W TV's and no cable or AC and the average stay on DR is 12 years not 20! RR is living better than he did on the streets! I read one day what they were served for dinner at San Q and it did not sound half bad. Baked chicken, rice, gravy, veggies, and ice cream for dessert!! They should be getting only bread and water!!! I have actually about 5 years ago wrote CA's Dept of Corrections about this scumbag and they told me that he had appeals left and here it is almost 2009 and he has been in jail 20 years already!! Disgusting! I feel if you have the only person that a million to one odds that did the crime and they are given a death sentence then you carry it out in a timely fashion like they do in other countries, 30-90 days, is reasonable, and certainly would save taxpayer's billions of dollars that they shell out to house, feed, and amuse and their lawyer bills, it is staggering to think how much CA shells out, because they have about 1,000 inmates on DR in San Q alone, now this is just a estimate, for all I know there are more and if it cost taxpayers $35,000 a year for just one inmate, and they sit on DR for 20 years plus, look how much money the taxpayers have had to shell out for one beyond redemption POS who should not even be breathing 20 years later!!! I think you guys in CA need to write the Gov there a letter and ask him to speed up the process, I know if I lived there, I would haunt him on this!!!

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.g...&doc_id=327756

Not much longer.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by REALGUIDO

Let me get this straight...."All those victims and their family...It is not good, but they were in the way of Richard then...."

It is more then "not good." What if were YOUR child or Husband or Sister was who had "got in his way?"

I am glad that RR is different now. 22+ years caged up like a rabid dog will do that to one's ways of "thinking."

I glad he has learned that ppls has "feelings" Now Justice needs to be served.

I am sorry for your "illness," and you might want to seek professional help. Especially if you and RR think alike, as you stated before.

Good Grief!!!! They were "in the way" of Richard? THEY WERE IN THEIR OWN HOMES, MOSTLY "SAFELY" TUCKED IN FOR THE DADBLASTED NIGHT!!!! It's not like Richard was driving down the 101 or whatever highway and these people drove their cars or walked in front of him!!!!

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by Jenna

Same here...there are cases that are so horrendous that I begin to doubt my own belief but then I remember that this person most likely has ppl in his/her life that love them. And their loved ones doesn´t deserve any more grief. It´s bad enough that they have to live with the fact that they have a family member/friend that´s a serial killer/rapist etc. I always try to compare the grief the family members of the killer might feel vs the relief the victims families might feel if the perpetrator is executed. I believe the grief is greater than the relief in most cases.

Maybe the perpatrator should have thought about the consequences before slaughtering and torturing old people and molesting children.

There is no comparison. At least RR's family will have a chance to say goodbye. It is unfortunate that RR put his family through this, it is much more unfortunate that he put all of the vitims and thier families through this. As I said....no comparison.

I yearn for "relief."

[REALGUIDO]

Originally Posted by sharlock

LOL, I love it when people who can't even master spell check talk about others IQ! Good to see you are still around RG! Hope things are okay for you and yours!

Thanks...Good to still be around. hehe

All is good. You are???....From Nicks old website? Your old monicker?

Thanks again.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by REALGUIDO

Maybe the perpatrator should have thought about the consequences before slaughtering and torturing old people and molesting children.

There is no comparison. At least RR's family will have a chance to say goodbye. It is unfortunate that RR put his family through this, it is much more unfortunate that he put all of the vitims and thier families through this. As I said....no comparison.

I yearn for "relief."

I feel sorry for the perp's family and friends--especially the ones who had never seen an evil side of the monster, and did NOT see this coming @ all. That being said, I do agree that the one who should have tho't about what would happen with HIS family and friends (let alone the victims and THEIR family and friends) was the PERP!!!! Of course, perps like this don't really care, have emotions, they act and say as they look around @ others to see how THEY act and talk.

The PERP should have tho't about the fact that he was breaking his mama's heart. HE should have said, oh, my mama would NOT like this @ all, she would cry, and be ashamed, and.....no, I don't think I will rob, steal, rape and murder tonight.

[Karin]

Originally Posted by REALGUIDO

Thanks...Good to still be around. hehe

All is good. You are???....From Nicks old website? Your old monicker?

Thanks again.

Some of the posts you have responded to are old...Kinda fun to see them again. Those were the days when RR's fans came around to defend him and tell us how bad we were...hahahaha! It was entertaining to say the least.

Thanks for the reminder RG

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Karin I completely agree with all your posts. I also believe our reena is a troll looking for attention and trying to stir things up. nice job reena. imo

It would be best if we all continue to ignore Reena since she has no idea what she is talking about. let's all agree

[Drumbum]

RR isn't worth arguing over.

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Drumbum

RR isn't worth arguing over.

Exactly my point dear drummie. Let's drop it while we can. hugs sara

[Drumbum]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

Exactly my point dear drummie. Let's drop it while we can. hugs sara

Having said that,who shall we 'discuss' next, SaraSweetie?

[sharlock]

We first met on this forum in 2007 RG I usually use this nic whereever I go but I have to admit I did try and find your other posts when I found out you wer a relaative and Doreen spoke of you with such disrespect(made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside) I think I read some of your posts on SK I"m not sure it was so lond ago so perhaps I feel like I knw you better than you know me; but never fear there is not so much of me to know. I do know that you are an awesome poster who I respect though!
Take care!

[sharlock]

Originally Posted by REALGUIDO

Realitively Early?...25 years plus? I dont think so. Anyone with half a brain can gather the information on the progress of his H.C. Appeal from the internet...I had posted the site many years ago.......and if I am not mistaken the H.C. is the last one...or correct me if I am wrong?....And who needs an execution date anyways....I understand he has some "health issues" he is dealing with? I know....it is from some rumor some prison guard started, right? Isnt that what you posted? Was he not removed from SQ to go to an undisclosed hospital in 05 for breathing problems?...no "rumor" reported fact... See SFGate... Oh and thank everyone who can see right through the smoke screen of deception provided by someone who married a convicted, self confessed satanic serial killer.....and then say that he is innocent...Thanks for thinking of the victims instead of glamorizing the sick, depraved low lifes.... Have a Nice Day!!!
The truth will set you free!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by doreenramirez55
I can see why no one has posted here about Richard since March 2006--quite a bit of misinformation floating around here. For the record, my husband does not have an execution date; he is still at a relatively early stage of the appellate process. Secondly, Richard and I are very much together. Rumors generally start when people have no access to the facts. Thank you to the people who have been supportive to Richard over the years.

One of my favs

[SaraSidle]

Originally Posted by Drumbum

Having said that,who shall we 'discuss' next, SaraSweetie?

my dear drummie. the RR case is perfectly dicussable with varying opinions but you know I do not deal with baiters and you should not think otherwise of me. baiters ruin any discussion and can close down threads. I care about this place and do not want to give the baiters any power but to leave. IMO H&K

[Drumbum]

Originally Posted by SaraSidle

my dear drummie. the RR case is perfectly dicussable with varying opinions but you know I do not deal with baiters and you should not think otherwise of me. baiters ruin any discussion and can close down threads. I care about this place and do not want to give the baiters any power but to leave. IMO H&K

I agree that it is discussable, but I would like to move on to other killers A new thread and a new lively discussion that turns into shouting at times. John Wayne Gacy perhaps?